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Macklemore’s Dabbling with a Dubious Jewish Stereotype Nearly Blew Up the Internet

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Macklemore said last night: "I truly apologize."

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"I’ve never felt more like a man,” Seattle rapper Macklemore told the packed crowd Friday at the opening of EMP’s Spectacle: The Music Video exhibit last Friday night. He was dressed in a black wig and beard and a big, hooked fake nose that many observers interpreted as a blatant caricature of Jewish features—while performing a song titled “Thrift Shop.” That Macklemore looked like something a propagandistic Nazi cartoonist might have drawn—or like Fagin, an unsympathetic Jewish character from Charles Dickens’s novel Oliver Twist—apparently didn’t register with him or his handlers. Soon after Macklemore’s set, the internet erupted with outrage and disgust—as well as some shoulder-shrugging and accusations of overreaction.

How did one of the world’s most commercially successful entertainment figures get into this mess? Of all the costumes Macklemore (aka Ben Haggerty) could’ve chosen for this surprise gig, why this provocative get-up? “I’m completely confounded. Was it an attempt at career suicide?” Stranger hiphop scholar Charles Mudede wondered.

Surely Macklemore didn’t do this as a publicity stunt. He’s no Miley Cyrus or Lady Gaga in that regard. Did he, as Dan Savage quipped, simply experience a confluence of “cluelessness and Jewlessness”? Even in Seattle, though, where Jews are a distinct minority, it would take a special kind of cultural tone deafness not to be aware of egregious stereotypes to which they’ve been subjected for centuries. Macklemore tweeted this response to the controversy on May 18: “A fake witches nose, wig, and beard = random costume. Not my idea of a stereotype of anybody.” That statement both evades culpability and offends grammatically.

But he has since apologized. Monday evening on his website, the loquacious MC issued an explanation and an apology for his actions that seems genuine. In it, Macklemore wrote, “The character I dressed up as on Friday had no intended cultural identity or background. I wasn’t attempting to mimic any culture, nor resemble one. A ‘Jewish stereotype’ never crossed my mind.” He expressed surprise that people would construe his costume as “anti-Semitic” and asserted, “I respect all cultures and all people.” Macklemore concluded with a shout out to the Anti-Defamation League and included a link to its site. Overall, the post was an impressive display of damage control, even if Mack showed an astonishing ignorance about the contours of witch noses (pro tip: always look for the wart).

Stranger hiphop columnist Larry Mizell Jr., who wasn’t at the show, said before the apology came, “Regardless of whether or not it was intentional, there's a lack of cultural competency there when you can't see that what you ended up with looks like a stereotype.

“I wasn't comfortable with [Macklemore’s] charro/mariachi suit in the ‘White Walls’ video, either, as he's flanked by two black twins,” Mizell continued. “There's other stuff about that video that disturbs me along those same lines. It's all kind of messy and weird, but I don't think that he's trying to do it—but the fact is, him being in his position, it's my opinion that he should actively be trying not to do it. Since he's so very message-based musically, he should be no less conscientious and clear in his presentation, or else he's losing ground.”

Shannon Stewart, a cofounder of the all-ages venue Vera Project who witnessed some of Macklemore’s early live performances, notes, “In 2012 when I worked on the cultural arm of the Marriage Equality campaign, he was generous and instrumental.”

Stewart actually preceded Macklemore onstage at the EMP as a performer participating in a re-creation of Daft Punk’s “Around the World” video. She and her partner Adam Sekuler were among those disturbed by Macklemore’s act. “Beyond the offensiveness of his get-up, the whole scene started to make me feel sick,” Stewart says. “Though we can focus on the mask, there were a lot of other things that surprised me. I don’t know if his performance always entails three scantily clad women (who were totally ballin’ dancers, by the way, but are they really called Macklerettes, though? Really?) and a host of black musicians backing him and Ryan [Lewis] up. Maybe it was just who was available that night? I want to see this in a ‘post-race, post-gender’ lens, but that would be easier if the roles were reversed. Then there were the 1,000 people who were totally eating it up, phones up trying to capture the whole thing.”

After Macklemore’s apology, Stewart wrote on Facebook, “I had faith this would happen and I’m glad it did.”

What was baffling about the whole thing is that Macklemore always has assiduously positioned himself as a proverbial good guy. He analyzed his white privilege in a track by that name, wrote the equal marriage rights ode “Same Love,” and last year played a role in helping raise more than $43,000 for The Stranger’s holiday charity drive for YouthCare’s Orion Center. Mocking a minority—in however an unintentional manner—seemingly goes against Macklemore’s character.

As someone who was raised Jewish but doesn’t observe the religion anymore, I find actions like Macklemore’s to be foolish, but, from a big-picture perspective, it’s a mild offense. There’s something almost quaint about how, during a time when real injustices and bigotry hurt millions of people daily, a dumb stunt like Macklemore’s can still trigger outrage. In practical terms, this hoary caricature of an ethnic group—even if it’s perpetrated by one of the biggest pop stars in the world—is probably not going to harm anyone directly. And if it did? “I truly apologize,” Macklemore says. recommended

Additional reporting by Ansel Herz.


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JF 1
"Scantily clad"? Did someone interview my 70 year old dad?

Don't be such a goddamn prude. It's skin.
Posted by JF on May 20, 2014 at 10:40 AM · Report this
thc-1138 2
So Shannon Stewart almost got sick because she saw a bunch of black musicians backing up Macklemore and Lewis? Why does she hate black people so much that seeing them on stage with two white people makes her sick?
Posted by thc-1138 http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ on May 20, 2014 at 10:51 AM · Report this
TCLballardwallymont 3
"there's a lack of cultural competency there when you can't see that what you ended up with looks like a stereotype."

We expect people to know every cultural stereotype? That seems counterproductive. When do we get to move on to a post-stereotype culture if some standard of 'competency' maintains that we must always be completely familiar with them?
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on May 20, 2014 at 10:56 AM · Report this
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Kinison 5
Was Lewis in costume as well? I dont see any photos of him in costume.

Why didn't Macklemore remove the costume once he got on stage? He said that he only got the costume so he could mingle in the crowd without being singled out (cause his status and fame is up there with Michael Jackson?).
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on May 20, 2014 at 11:23 AM · Report this
The week the stranger turned into a shitty gossip site with a trip to a costume shop in search of a fake nose. lamest form of journalism I've seen on this site.
Posted by randolph cunningham on May 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM · Report this
Here's a pretty unwatched video of the performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEhuj8akA…
Posted by michael bell on May 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM · Report this
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Wait, so you want sex to be out of rock n' roll and hip hop? You don't want hot ladies around? Those subjective and tight-fisted rules are exactly why rock and roll was invented in the first place.

And sorry Ben, you've been convicted in the court of op-ed writers. If you're an artist, you eventually offend just about everyone. Keep on.
Posted by Commenter0000 on May 20, 2014 at 11:39 AM · Report this
the duster 10
I have my doubts that Segal's equanimity will be tolerated once the new guard of The Stranger gains editorial control.
Posted by the duster on May 20, 2014 at 11:43 AM · Report this
I find actions like Macklemore’s to be foolish, but, from a big-picture perspective, it’s a mild offense.

Mild offense? Apparently that's not for you to decide. It up the amorphous "democratic" quanta of the internet to decide. Somehow.

(Are there primaries? Or do we just go right to the general?)
Posted by tkc on May 20, 2014 at 11:45 AM · Report this
meanie 12
A perceived slight is way more important than say a actual anti-semitic deluge going on at the same time

Posted by meanie http://www.spicealley.net on May 20, 2014 at 11:46 AM · Report this
thc-1138 13
He looks like Joaquin Phoenix when he was going crazy
Posted by thc-1138 http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ on May 20, 2014 at 11:49 AM · Report this
You want to rid the stage of go-go dancers? Maybe that fits in better with your idea of a stale music museum, where everything is behind glass and preserved in some version of cliff notes lifelessness. Sex, drugs and rock and roll, and political correctness don't mix.

If you're an artist like Macklemore, blowing up, travelling all the time, playing a billion shows years on end, you're gonna fuck up here and there and offend just about everyone. Then talking heads like Dave Segal will judge you for it and make a living off you. It's nauseating. When we rid the world of Macklemores and his silly costumes, why then there will be peace in the Middle East, and equality for all, and, oh wait, no, Dave Segal and the PC peanut gallery just want you to believe that slight of hand. Don't go to a rock show looking for high society dude.
Posted by Commenter0000 on May 20, 2014 at 11:49 AM · Report this
Which parts of the costume look "Jewish"?
Posted by peskypoop on May 20, 2014 at 11:49 AM · Report this
Sorry, Dave, but I'd feel a lot better about the outcome of this kerfuffle if he had "truly apologized" for his asinine choices.

Which, in continuing to insist this was a "random" get-up that "accidentally" caused offense, he has not actually done.

So fuck him, and fuck all the dipshit Seattleites with their heads too far up their asses to understand why this is a problem.
Posted by d.p. on May 20, 2014 at 11:54 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 17
This story has now been covered by everyone. CNN, Fox, UPI, The Independent, The Guardian, the BBC, WaPO, WSJ, ABC, Boston Herald... everybody. So when you complain that "you" are making too big a deal out of this, the "you" is pretty much everybody (OK, the NYT is too busy writing about the NYT this week, but everyone else is on this).

The proof will come from Macklemore himself. The dude is a danger to himself: a reckless maniac with perhaps a 4th grade education. Which means this is not the last time he will step on his dick this way. Come about the fourth time he does one of these fuckups, the "you're too sensitive" defense will have worn rather thin.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on May 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM · Report this
So this episode is "probably not going to harm anyone directly".

I'd agree with that, yet in Adam Sekuler's piece, he claims to have been "incredibly upset" and describes having to confront certain emotions for the first time in his life. Keep in mind he's a grown man.

Five posts and counting. Still waiting on that Kelly O. post.
Posted by Amanda on May 20, 2014 at 11:59 AM · Report this
Were the suit jacket and satin button-up shirt also just "random"? And if he just wore it to avoid being recognized before the surprise show like he said, why didn't he take off the disguise before he got onstage? And it's possible for someone to be both pro-gay and anti-semitic (in the same way Donald Sterling is pro-jew and anti-black). It's just hard to believe he didn't see that look for what it is.
Posted by Copious on May 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM · Report this
thc-1138 20
So should he bang his head 1000 times against the Wailing Wall to appease the p.c. gods? Or maybe you want him to come over to your house and do whatever you tell him for a week? Or maybe you should get "Reading Comprehension for ex-pc'ers" so you can learn to read without pc blinders on.
Posted by thc-1138 http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ on May 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM · Report this
Cracker Jack 21
@16: as much as it pains me to say it (as a former Seattleite), you are dead on. If he'd tried to pull this in NYC, he would not have made it off the stage. His "random costume" is textbook Jewish stereotype and tied to a song about getting things on the cheap, tone-deaf is the most generous thing you could call it.

Seattle, you are awesome in many ways, but Jewish cultural awareness is NOT one of them.
Posted by Cracker Jack on May 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM · Report this
The Sheik Fagin nose

Posted by D2K on May 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM · Report this
@17 Uhhhh... "CNN, Fox, UPI, The Independent, The Guardian, the BBC, WaPO, WSJ, ABC, Boston Herald... everybody" also cover Benghazi like it matters.

"Everybody else is doing it" is not a valid excuse for anything.
Posted by tkc on May 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM · Report this

people like you are officially no longer allowed to use words like "nauseating" and "sickening" in reference to others unless you can provide an actual photograph of said person rotting away and you retching from their stench in the same fame.

Seriously find another fucking way to express your disdain, everybody's getting sickened by everyone like the world's a big rancid dead deer fart.
Posted by The CHZA on May 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM · Report this
seandr 25
@Larry Mizell Jr.: Regardless of whether or not it was intentional, there's a lack of cultural competency there when you can't see that what you ended up with looks like a stereotype.

OK, Mr High Horse, define "Taig" (no cheating!) and tell me who would kick your ass if you called him that.

Pot, meet kettle.
Posted by seandr on May 20, 2014 at 12:27 PM · Report this
Yeah, I hope he'll put more thought into everything he does from here on out, if only because it will be EVERYWHERE regardless of its quality. The Language of My World Macklemore seemed a lot more thoughtful than The Heist era dude.

Also, great use of "hoary." I haven't seen that word in print since I last turned over a bottle of Yukon Jack.
Posted by Todd Hamm on May 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM · Report this
TCLballardwallymont 27
@25 The company that makes lathes and milling machines?
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on May 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM · Report this
Liberals eating their own?

Pass the peanuts!
Posted by Mercer Island Goy on May 20, 2014 at 1:19 PM · Report this
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Getting upset at this is what real activists call "armchair activism". You are too damn lazy to actually get off your lazy ass and actually do something about real shit going on in the real world, but you'll cry like a hurch baby over this. Like you've really done something.

Yeah. You're a real trooper. Your voice in this has saved... nothing.
Posted by happy time on May 20, 2014 at 1:23 PM · Report this
Thanks, @21. Seattle's total lack of perspective on its insularity and cultural blind spots is infuriating.

The irony in all of this is that I sincerely doubt Macklemore is in any way a hateful person. But I now know him to be a responsibility-deflecting liar, who takes advantage of his guileless followers in his vapid city to avoid ever having to admit that, yes, he fucking knew what he was doing when he donned the costume, and that he now realizes it was deeply unwise.

But bothersome as his non-apology apology might continue to be, it doesn't hold a candle to the grand reveal of the breadth and depth of the blame-shifting antisemitism that pervades this town.

(@20 above contains some representatively telling language, but there have been hundreds of similarly coded sentiments expressed without hesitation since this incident became news.)
Posted by d.p. on May 20, 2014 at 1:35 PM · Report this
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@29 "Why were the Jews expelled everywhere they went?"

Exactly the same words from the juche post earlier. The one that was pulled for trolling. Hello juche sockpuppet account.
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on May 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM · Report this
Firstly, this Stewart woman needs to chill the fuck out. She's upset because there was a group of talented black musicians backing up Macklemore? And says she'd rather Mack were black & the backup musicians white? WTF? How is there even anything to get pissed about him picking the best musicians for the job that happen to also be black?!?
As for the "lack of cultural competency" & the idea that he "wouldn't have made it on stage in NYC", is this caricature he's dressed as a Jewish person of any nationality? Or is it a NYC Jew that has come to somehow represent what we, in Seattle, where Jews are a "distinct minority," view as the stereotype of Jewishness? You think Jews in Israel are sporting that look? So maybe just accept that he didn't know & that he can't be expected to know all possible stereotypes but that he can be expected to take responsibility & apologize for it. Which he has done. And now we can all STFU about this non-issue non-controversy & move the fuck on!
Posted by let me go! on May 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM · Report this
Larry Mizell, Jr. 34
@25 have you never heard "Irish Celebration"?

Posted by Larry Mizell, Jr. on May 20, 2014 at 1:43 PM · Report this
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Segal, it doesn't matter whether you were raised Jewish but don't "practice the religion" anymore. This wasn't a hit against the Jewish religion; it was making fun of a Jewish physical stereotype. It's a bit hard to believe that Macklemore didn't know what he was portraying, and his apology, as noted above, is weak, to say the least.

Yes, there are worse things happening in the world. But although Jews are a minority, there's no reason to completely discount and deride the reaction to this. Any one Jew is an individual with memory, not merely a member of a minority group. That memory isn't pleasant.
Posted by sarah70 on May 20, 2014 at 1:48 PM · Report this
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@33, "Or is it a NYC Jew that has come to somehow represent what we, in Seattle, where Jews are a "distinct minority," view as the stereotype of Jewishness? You think Jews in Israel are sporting that look?"

The hair resembles Orthodox jews, and yes, there are many of those in both NY and Israel. Wake up.
Posted by Copious on May 20, 2014 at 2:23 PM · Report this
@38 Were the Beatles then also antisemetic because I'm pretty sure they rocked this same haircut. I was assuming it was all the pieces used together that created the caricature, but if we're going after bowl-cuts now there's an awful lot more people you need to get upset at. Not to mention, the complete lack of side-curls if you're going to argue that this is an orthodox cut. Which brings me back to my final point. Not everyone can be expected to know every stereotype. He apologized for his ignorance, accept the apology & move on with your life.
Posted by let me go! on May 20, 2014 at 2:48 PM · Report this
@2, way to miss the point completely. You're so far off the mark, I don't even know where to start, but OBVIOUSLY that is not what Stewart was saying at. all.

To all the rest of you "not everyone can be expected to know what stereotypes exist" people: this is a pretty major stereotype to be unaware of. If you truly don't know, all you need to do is a quick Google image search of "Nazi propaganda" or "Jewish caricature" and see what you get. Macklemore summed up that image perfectly.

Had he only worn a wig, or only a beard, we would be having this conversation. However, beard+wig+bar mitzvah joke+PERFORMING A SONG ABOUT SAVING MONEY really takes any question out of it.

Stop making excuses for Macklemore. No, he is probably not actually a racist or anti-Semitic person, but he did a racist and anti-Semitic thing. End of story.
Posted by jessiep on May 20, 2014 at 3:06 PM · Report this
Thank God we know what Larry Mizell thinks about all of this! I was waiting until he chimed in to form an opinion.
Posted by Casual_Observer on May 20, 2014 at 3:15 PM · Report this
Should we all be boycotting Costume Display now for selling these culturally insensitive costumes to unsuspecting rappers?
Posted by Casual_Observer on May 20, 2014 at 3:16 PM · Report this
juche 43

Cultural Marxism refers to a branch or school of Marxism that analyses culture as the deciding factor in posited oppression, rather than the economic factors that Karl Marx emphasized.[1] An outgrowth of Western Marxism (especially Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt School) and finding popularity in the 1960s as cultural studies, Cultural Marxism argues that oppressive power structures exist within traditional cultural artifacts Western society like capitalism, nationalism, the nuclear family, gender, race, or cultural identity;[1] and that the goal of Cultural Marxism is to use Marx's methods (e.g., dialectic materialism) within academia to expose and challenge such "capitalist hegemony".

Early members of the Frankfurt School were:

Max Horkheimer
Theodor W. Adorno
Herbert Marcuse
Friedrich Pollock
Erich Fromm
Otto Kirchheimer
Leo Loewenthal
Franz Leopold Neumann

People who were associated with the Institute or its theorists include:

Siegfried Kracauer
Alfred Sohn-Rethel
Walter Benjamin

Max Horkheimer
>the only son of a wealthy orthodox Jewish family
Theodor W. Adorno
>his father, an assimilated Jew
Herbert Marcuse
>His family was Jewish.
Friedrich Pollock
>Pollock's Jewish-born father
Erich Fromm
>the only child of Orthodox Jewish parents
Otto Kirchheimer
>a German jurist of Jewish ancestry
Leo Loewenthal
>Born in Frankfurt as the son of assimilated Jews
Franz Leopold Neumann
>a German-Jewish left-wing political activist, Marxist theorist and labor lawyer
Siegfried Kracauer
>Born to a Jewish family in Frankfurt am Main
Alfred Sohn-Rethel
>shabbos gofer
Walter Benjamin
>developing in his own thinking what he called a kind of "cultural zionism" -- an attitude which recognized and promoted Judaism and Jewish values.

Jews responsible for flood of immigration
Jewish influence on Western culture

Critical theory is 100% marxist bullshit. it's not even an actual theory. theories have substance. "critical theory" is basically just tearing down everything about western civilization, every tradition, all morals, all communities and power structures other than the government.

it is solely intended to destroy the culture, tradition, morality, and community of the west, so that the sole remaining force left is government. by destroying the west's superior culture, morals, traditions and community marxists will finally tear down the most successful anti-marxist civilization on earth and turn it into an authoritarian marxist hellhole.

that is the sole goal of critical theory. notice that in all of the criticism leveled at the west by critical theory, critical theory NEVER posits any alternative. it is purely to destroy everything about the west that is successful and has allowed man to build modern, wealthy, high quality of life civilization without the state controlling every aspect of it.

that self reliance (and reliance on others in your non government community, like your neighborhood, family, or church group) is anathema to marxist authoritarian. if people do not have to depend on the government for their livelihoods, then they will be free to oppose the government, and the government will be powerless to force its ideology down their throats.

the frankfurt school is pure evil in intellectual form: its goal is absolutely nothing less than total ENSLAVEMENT of man through the destruction of the last bastion of human freedom: the west.

The treatment of Africans in Israel

an empire of their own (the story of Jewish Hollywood as told by the Jews)

the lost world of communism

the other isreal

the ADL

It's proven the 'nazis' did not intend the extermination of the Jew (The Haavara agreement)
Posted by juche on May 20, 2014 at 3:23 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 44

What everybody is doing, and why, a pretty decent measure of what basic social norms are.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on May 20, 2014 at 3:23 PM · Report this
Larry Mizell, Jr. 45
@41 And I, you, beloved.
Posted by Larry Mizell, Jr. on May 20, 2014 at 3:24 PM · Report this
yelahneb 46
Shouldn't he have said a "Wiccan American" nose?
Posted by yelahneb http://www.strangebutharmless.com on May 20, 2014 at 4:00 PM · Report this
@40, I missed the bar mitzvah joke reference... what was that about?
Posted by Copious on May 20, 2014 at 4:16 PM · Report this
seandr 48
@34: Hmm. Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Still, until you boycott the cheap, insulting, offensive cultural appropriation that is Lucky Charms, you're in no position to judge. My culture is not your breakfast!
Posted by seandr on May 20, 2014 at 4:36 PM · Report this
venomlash 49
@43: Jeesh, can't you ever write your OWN bigoted opinions? That's cuntpasted DIRECTLY from something someone wrote on /pol/ a month and a half ago. http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/271…
ur a faget
Posted by venomlash on May 20, 2014 at 5:01 PM · Report this
@47, he made a comment about feeling "like a man for the first time", a common association with bar mitzvahs, after visiting the costume store. It's also referenced at the very beginning of this article.
Posted by jessiep on May 20, 2014 at 5:06 PM · Report this
juche 51
How are you weathering through this latest Shoah? You sound stressed. Thanks for pointing out all of that vital information in your link, some great content in that particular thread!
Posted by juche on May 20, 2014 at 5:12 PM · Report this
@Jessiep: I agree that Macklemore did something stupid & it was offensive to many people, I think whether it was a conscious choice is pretty debatable. Following his initial reaction of a pretty stupid tweet, he has apologized & reached out people who make it their business to spread awareness & try to prevent this kind of insensitive/offensive stuff & has used his minor celebrity status to give then a bigger platform.
I think a discussion of cultural differences & knowledge of other culture & what could be offensive is a great thing. I don't think this article can be a part of that discussion after devoting 2 paragraphs to Ms. Stewart's weird objections to his dancers & musicians. These inclusions do nothing more than imply parallels to other pop stars that have been accused of or have actually used minority people/culture as props (Miley Cyrus, avril lavigne, etc). And they serve no other purpose than to try to stir more controversy where there is none.
The guy apologized for his wrong doing. Keep the discussion, but dragging him through the mud for controversy for added hits is a pretty shitty hing to do to the guy that apologized & tried to make it right.
Posted by let me go! on May 20, 2014 at 5:59 PM · Report this
@44 "social norms" are not always an indicator of what is just.

There were times when the "social norms" were to own slaves, oppress women and persecute Jews.

In this case your "social norm" looks an awful lot like a hyped up sanctimonious mob who are blowing something entirely out if proportion.

But hey. Everybody else is doing it, right?

Posted by tkc on May 20, 2014 at 6:04 PM · Report this
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Mac Miller is the best white rapper with "Mac" in his name anyway.
Posted by MacGruber on May 20, 2014 at 6:12 PM · Report this
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TCLballardwallymont 57

Full on stormfront internet trooper aren't you? Does the swastika on your forehead make everyday life more difficult?
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on May 20, 2014 at 6:41 PM · Report this
juche 58

Stormfront is an extreme right forum with a few smart people and a lot of not so smart people. The Stranger's blogs is is an extreme left forum with a few smart people and a lot of not so smart people.
Posted by juche on May 20, 2014 at 6:49 PM · Report this
TCLballardwallymont 59

It's interesting to know that you are as familiar with stormfront as you are with the stranger. So, back to that swastika on your forehead - do you find that it makes it more difficult to make friends outside of stormfront?
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on May 20, 2014 at 7:02 PM · Report this
venomlash 60
@51: Honestly, I'm not particularly stressed about this whole Macklemore unpleasantness. I'm willing to believe his lack of intention to offend and I think his apology is sufficient to smooth it over. Can you please resist the temptation to compare everything to the Holocaust? I mean, damn.

@56: America claims to be founded on liberty and equality. A country of that description is held to a higher standard than pre-modern tribalist societies.
The difference between Russian serfdom and American slavery is that the former was solely along class lines and the latter was heavily racial. Which is why there's not much conflict between the descendents of serfs and freemen in Russia, but African-Americans are persecuted (by ignorant wretches like you) to this day.
Also, *serf, not surf.

@58: There should be no doubt as to which category you fall into. Need I remind you that you blamed Lenin and Trotsky for the Gulags despite the fact that they were, respectively, dead and in exile years before the Gulags were instituted? And that you claimed Marx was influenced by Freud despite the fact that Marx died before Freud even published a single case study?
How do you even put your pants on without first blaming it on the Jews?
Posted by venomlash on May 20, 2014 at 7:23 PM · Report this
juche 61

You sound like you have seen a lot of hollywood movies. Who do I get to be? Edward Norton or Edward Furlong?
Posted by juche on May 20, 2014 at 7:32 PM · Report this
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TCLballardwallymont 63

As far as I can tell, you get to be a cowardly racist, regurgitating stormfront revisionist history in order to justify your impotent hatred.

Not courageous enough to openly claim the title of neonazi for yourself, you will cower in your moms basement while babbling nazi ideology in anonymous forums.

So, it's the easiest job in the world, you just have to be yourself.
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on May 20, 2014 at 8:17 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 64

Maclemore's defense here is that hardly anybody would recognize his outfit as a Jewish stereotype. He and his defenders are saying you can't expect the average person to know that the beard, wig and noses add up to a specific thing.

That bullshit defense is contradicted by the fact that pretty much the whole world instantly recognizes this is a stereotype, and pretty much the whole world thinks it is big deal. It's not a "sanctimonious mob". Not some fringe group of easily offended dorks seeing something that's not there.

It's the whole fucking civilized world.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on May 20, 2014 at 9:03 PM · Report this
juche 65

History as you understand it, is written by the winners of wars, the allies which includes soviet, communist Russia and the USA. No blood on those hands, right?
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TCLballardwallymont 67

Yes yes, I'm sure you need to do 50 sieg heils per hour to fulfil your stormfront quota.

Tell us more about how humiliating your life must be in order to make targeting the stranger for your neonazi bullshit seem reasonable.

For you nazis that need to stay anonymous, it always seems to come down to guild and shame. Let me guess - you masturbated to gay black monster cock videos 3 times today, and need to deal with the guilt and shame you feel somehow. It must be THE JEWS!! Amiright? I'm right, aren't I.

By all means, assuage your guilt by telling us how the Jews deserved what they got, and how we should be rebuilding the death camps. Oh wait, not that brave are you? Wow, how humiliating for you again.

Let us know when you have the guts to really own your nazi agenda. Unapologetic nazis at least have some convictions and courage. All this pussy footing around just tells us that you're yet another cowardly, closet case neurotic trying to ease your guilt in ideology you're too pathetic to publicly endorse.
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@64 The WHOLE. World, huh?

It must be awesome to be psychic. Or completely delusional.
I can't tell. Yeah. No hyperbole here.

But again there is no reasoning with a mob.

The civilized world is and should indeed sensitive to antisemitism.

But there is hardly a consensus in the entire world if a minor celebrity's tone deaf costume ranks up there with level of the pants shitting hysteria you seem to want it to be. The entire world will forget about this so called scandal in... well... now.

I hope that won't impact your "MACKGHAZI!" t-shirt business.

Posted by tkc on May 21, 2014 at 7:23 AM · Report this
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@65: You don't have standing to talk about history, given your track record of alleging chronological impossibilities such as Freud influencing Marx, Lenin and Trotsky being responsible for the Gulags, and other such assorted nonsense. History may be written by the winners, but you are entirely illiterate in that regard.
@66: That is entirely made-up and comes direct from Stormfront. Please go back there and rot.
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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 72

Yes, the BBC and the Independent and CNN and the Wall Street Journal are part of a mob.

...Aaaaaand now the New York Times is on it. That means everybody. Every major news outlet in the world has joined a "sanctimonious mob". Because this is such a fringe thing.

You've got to at least grasp how dumb this dude is. Read what he wrote. The guy is 30 years old and has the mind of a 4th grader. He's going to do more of this shit because he can't help it. And you're bending over backwards to defend him. Good luck.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on May 21, 2014 at 1:28 PM · Report this
ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ 73
@71: You can prattle on about how the Jews control everything if you like, but the fact of the matter is that your claims are false on a prima facie level. I'd be more receptive to your arguments if you could stick to the nebulous world of hand-waving claims, but instead you've gone and said stuff that hard fact contradicts. Ah well, such is the portion of a fascist like you.
I'm still wondering what your proposed solution to the Jewish problem is.
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ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ 75
@74: No, I mean the Jewish problem of my people controlling the banks and the media and whatever else you've deluded yourself into thinking we do. Sending us all to Israel won't fix that now will it?
I'm still waiting on any of the actual evidence you've many times claimed to have.
Posted by ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ on May 21, 2014 at 3:41 PM · Report this
juche 76
It's not even hidden its in plain sight. The fed reserve, Hollywood, IMF and other world banks. Are you denying this? How does such a small fraction of the population end up like this? Super Jew powers? No. It's the Jew mafia, stupid.
Posted by juche on May 21, 2014 at 4:06 PM · Report this
juche 77
Also The massive AIPAC lobby, presidential administrations and advisors, our Supreme Court since the 1990s.

The lobby and influence from some of these groups is a lot of pull for such a small biased group, this is not beneficial to the majority.
Posted by juche on May 21, 2014 at 4:29 PM · Report this
juche 78

We just stop doing business with them. Like BDS movement.
Posted by juche on May 21, 2014 at 4:41 PM · Report this
venomlash 79
@76: Wouldn't it be nice if you could meaningfully understand the distinction between "controlled by Jews" and "an upper-level manager there is Jewish"? Ah, no use in living in a fantasy the way you do.
Posted by venomlash on May 21, 2014 at 4:53 PM · Report this
@72 Your conflating the attention a story gets in Internet media outlets with:

a) a worldwide agreement with your position (that Macklemore is a terrible racist).

b) the general importance of the story to humanity.

These are false and irrational assumptions.

Again, if the intensity of internet coverage was the litmus for the validity of a story then Benghazi was a real story and Saddam Hussein had WMD after all.

It is a well known and studied fact that people who spend all day immersed on the internet (like you) have totally distorted view of what is authentic and what is hyperbolic. The internet tends to greatly distort the importance of, and popular reaction to, stories.

The guy apologized already. It's moot. it's over. But. You've spent a dozen or more posts telling everybody how much you hate Macklemore. And you're using this story to hang a moral hat onto your bias just so you can feel superior.

That IS sanctimony.
Posted by tkc on May 21, 2014 at 5:09 PM · Report this
juche 81

Sorry it's more than just an upper level manager in a few companies, as you seem to be implying. It actually all adds up to a war on a culture They won't be happy until we are passive, Atheistic degenerates who accept anything like Sweden. I'm a realist. I'm racially aware, race exists. Differences are apparent. If you want to preserve some thing, the best way to to that is not mixing it up with something else. The Jews certainly know this, other people need to figure it out as well.
Posted by juche on May 21, 2014 at 6:37 PM · Report this
ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ 82
@81: You just said that Jews, the members of a strongly theistic religion and probably the oldest surviving monotheism, are trying to turn everyone atheist. Do you even believe the shit you say?
Posted by ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ on May 22, 2014 at 2:55 PM · Report this
juche 83

Far left Liberal, atheistic / agnostic Jews. Probably like yourself. There are many. Don't act like you don't know.

You like to push the agenda of cultural Marxism and critical theory in the us and all the other other white, goy founded western civilizations. As written in post 43 and expanded in your link @49
Posted by juche on May 23, 2014 at 12:36 AM · Report this
venomlash 84
@83: Um...what? Dude, you realize that the stuff you wrote is 90% made up and 10% misinterpreted, right?

On a different note, every Christian is a Jew according to your logic. Someone counts as a Jew if they had a Jewish parent or were heavily influenced by Jews, right? Well, the first Christians were Jews who followed Jesus as a prophet. They preached both to other Jews and to pagans, who are Jewish by association (according to you) because they were heavily influenced by Jews. And then because THEY were Jews by association, everyone descended from them or taught by them is a Jew too! "[O]nce your [sic] born a Jew your [sic] always a Jew", as you say!

So which is it? Does someone like Lenin (raised Christian, became atheist) count as a Jew for your purposes of blaming everything on us? If so, you're a Jew by association (you are Christian, yes?) and thus part of the Jewish conspiracy too and therefore nothing you say can be trusted. If not, why are you blaming the crimes of people like Stalin on the Jews?

I suspect I won't get an answer to that question. I imagine you'll just rant about how we Jews just argue and debate until nothing makes sense anymore. Well, let me educate you a little:
Your argument never made sense in the first place. You've been able to suppress the confusion and distress of cognitive dissonance by insisting to yourself that the Jews are at fault and thinking no more on the issue. But when I lay out your statements in greater detail and point out the glaring problems with them, well, the conflicts and holes in your arguments can no longer be unconsciously ignored, and so your head starts hurting. You'd be able to avoid this in the first place by not making arguments that are directly contradicted by the evidence you bring out to support them.
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@85 You feel the need to have more than one account, juche? Sockpuppet accounts are never used by someone whose arguments can stand on their own merits.
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juche 87
Nice try TLC, I'm not trying to hide behind any sock puppets, it's obvious who's posting. What about venomlash? He has 2 accounts, maybe more? Who cares?
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ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ 88
@87: The number of accounts one has should not exceed the base-10 logarithm of one's IQ.
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juche 89
• Only Jews are human. [Gentiles] are animals. (Baba Mezia 114a-114b.)107
• For murder, whether of a Cuthean [Gentile] by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty. (Sanhedrin 57a)108
• Even the best of the [Gentiles] should be killed. ( Babylonian Talmud)109
• If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there. (Moed Kattan 17a.)110
• Gentiles’ flesh is as the flesh of asses and whose issue is like the issue of horses.111
• If a heathen [Gentile] hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hit-ting a Jew is hitting God. (Sanhedrin 58b.)112
• If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no li-ability; but if an ox of a Canaanite [Gentile] gores an ox of an Israelite…the payment is to be in full. (Baba Kamma 37b.)113
• If a Jew finds an object lost by a heathen [Gentile] it does not have to be returned. (Baba Mezia 24a; Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b.)114
• God will not spare a Jew who ‘marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean [Gentile]… (Sanhedrin 76a.)115
• What a Jew obtains by theft from a Cuthean [Gentile] he may keep. (Sanhedrin 57a.)116
• [Gentiles] are outside the protection of the law and God has ‘exposed their money to Israel.’ (Baba Kamma 37b.)117
• Jews may use lies (‘subterfuges’) to circumvent a [Gentile]. (Baba Kamma 113a.)118
• All [Gentile] children are animals. (Yebamoth 98a.)119
• [Gentiles] prefer sex with cows. (Abodah Zarah 22a-22b.)120
• The vessels of [Gentiles], do they not impart a worsened flavor to the food cooked in them? (Abodah Zarah 67b.)121
Posted by juche on May 24, 2014 at 5:57 PM · Report this
venomlash 90
@89: Altered "quotes" from white supremacist David Duke's personal website.
Bear one thing in mind: the Talmud is NOT Scripture (despite the ignorant and hateful claims of your lot). It is jurisprudence, the arguments of rabbis of antiquity. Several positions on an issue may be recorded in a single tract; one may be indicated as the rabbinically-approved decision, or they may be left without distinction.

As to your claim that Jews are somehow prejudiced against Gentiles in our laws:
"Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for the home-born; for I am the LORD your God." (Leviticus 24:22)
"One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you." (Leviticus 12:49)
Posted by venomlash on May 24, 2014 at 7:03 PM · Report this
juche 91
Are you denying that Judaism is a very much a religion of its own literature? The Talmud has authority over the Torah.

The Torah (OT)

And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword . . . (Joshua 6:21)88
Then Horam, king of Gezer, came to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and all his people, until he had left him none remaining.
And they took Eglon, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein. (Joshua 10:32-34)89
And they took Hebron, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and the souls that were therein; he left none remaining. (Joshua 10:37)90
For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and His fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, He hath delivered them to the slaughter.
Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcasses, and the mountains shall be melted in their blood. (Isaiah 34:2-3)91
But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, (Deuteronomy 20:16)92
Neither shall thou make marriages with them; their daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. (Deuteronomy 7:2-3)93
. . . For thou art a holy people unto the Lord Thy God: the Lord Thy God has chosen thee to a special people unto himself, above all people that are on the face of the earth. (Deuteronomy 7:6)94
Now therefore give not your daughters unto their sons, neither take their daughters unto your sons, nor seek their peace or their wealth for ever, that ye may be strong and eat of the good of the land, and leave it for an inheritance to your children for ever. (Ezra 9:12)95

86 Bible. King James Version. Ezra chapter 9.
87 KJV Numbers 33:55
88 KJV Joshua 6:21
89 KJV Joshua 10:32-34
90 KJV Joshua 10:37
91 KJV Isaiah 34:2-3
92 RSV Deuteronomy 20:16
93 KJV Deuteronomy 7:2-3
94 KJV Deuteronomy 7:6
95 KJV Ezra 9:12
Posted by juche on May 24, 2014 at 8:59 PM · Report this
juche 92

Your arguments are full of shameless lies and irrelevant attempts to appear highly intellectual, as if that could change any of the core facts. Israel and the Jewish people are quickly becoming the enemy's of the western world, again. The rest of the world was already in tune. Decades of wartime propaganda, cultural Marxism and critical theory have repressed it in the west, but it's coming back again, isn't it? Please note, Americans are also tired of sending their sons to die in the Middle East for the Jewish lobby. 1 out of 5 suicides in USA were soldiers. Also tired of sending big American tax dollars to Israel and tired of the degeneracy perpetuated by the Jew owned media in their cultural Marxism, critical theory agenda.

I'm not worried about the Jews, people treat them just like anyone else. I am however worried at the israeli response to the rise in global awareness of unlawful, unethical israeli and Jew activities. These are a people who would literally burn the whole world down just so they could rule over the ashes.
Posted by juche on May 25, 2014 at 12:12 AM · Report this
TCLballardwallymont 93
"I'm not worried about the Jews, people treat them just like anyone else."

You seem really, really worried about the jewish people. I doubt neonazis like yourself treat them 'just like anyone else'.

"the degeneracy perpetuated by the Jew owned media"

Tinfoil hat conspiracy theory is still tinfoil hat conspiracy theory when the hat is swastika shaped.
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on May 26, 2014 at 1:32 PM · Report this
venomlash 94
Juche, one thing occurs to me. You present vile things allegedly said by Christians about Jews as evidence that Jews are bad, and you present vile things allegedly said by Jews about Christians as evidence that Jews are bad. Why is it that when Christians call for the isolation and persecution of Jews, they are to be commended in your view, but when Jews call for the isolation and persecution of Christians, they are to be censured?
I mean, your sources thus far have consisted of altered or fabricated quotes along with the actual ravings of anti-Semites, but is a little logical consistency too much to ask?
Oh wait, logic and argumentation are Jewish tools of distraction according to you. Carry on, you miserable scum.
Posted by venomlash on May 26, 2014 at 2:36 PM · Report this
juche 95
History! History! Don't you know your history? Why are you focused on BDS to the Jews only and not other genociders of the world?

How many countries have the Jews been expelled from now? It's always the host countries fault right? That's what your teacher told you, your education system is always right, right?

Jews expelled from Israel in what 70ad? They come back, this time as a rich white Ashkenazi western power, start settlements that develop into land grabs, displace and kill the native Palestinian people, war unfolds, peace negotiations are useless.

*Why are you trying BDS against the Jews, why not some genocidal African tribal lord? You must be anti-$emite because holocaust happened and Christians repeatedly persecuted the Jews in ancient history.*

All people of the world have suffered but not all have such a meticulous record and promotion of their own story as the Jews. I'm sure Europe's peasants, serfs suffered horrendously but this is a story largely untold and without a powerful lobby to prop it up as a shield. Either now or in the past, many peoples and tribes of the world have experienced cruelty, hardships, oppression, racism or born into generational serfdom. But not all peoples have the resources to make holocaust museums, movies, tv, or world war 2 studies half dedicated to their side of the story they tell the world.

The story of the Jewish persecution is the most widely promoted event in the western world with all the holocaust museums, movies, tv, world war 2 studies are half dedicated to the Jews even though 50 - 90 million gentile people were murdered in this era. Genocidal African tribal lords don't have the kind of political power or resources to tell the story of their tribe to the world, we can't read in the history books or see on tv all the unwarranted persecutions they went though. You can't get all emotional about the suffering of scruffy underdog tribal African lord to start cheering for him to win. You can't forget about fact, logic and basic morality. African tribal lord does not have the lobby to make this possible, but Israel does.

But you say that this is different because people tried to completely wipe the Jews off the face of the earth! We must protect the Jews from those who repeatedly wish to make them extinct as I was taught in my school and media.

If that is true, why the Haavara Agreement exists?

I'm sorry this is gonna hurt some feelings, but a lot of what we know of the ww2 era is just wartime propaganda, yes the nazi are not the only ones who know how to do propaganda. Let's not forget that the US was part of the allies that includes Soviet Union, the unavoidable Jewish connections in soviet hierarchy and how much blood is on those hands as well.
Posted by juche on May 28, 2014 at 12:02 AM · Report this
ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ 96
@95: You haven't answered my question. In fact, you haven't answered any questions except to claim, without providing any evidence, that the Jews are at fault. I'm going to trust the literature on the subject over a guy who rants on the Internet about things he doesn't understand.
Posted by ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ on May 28, 2014 at 11:55 AM · Report this
juche 97
We must be even because you have conveniently avoided a great deal of my questions as well. You have not provided any substantial evidence either, except for some links to differing opinions about what old world icons have said about the Jews. In several instances you've told outright lies but I'm not sniveling and crying about it like you are in the above post. There are literally heaps of information from reliable sources other than you and your personal opinions. If people want to figure it out, they will. Just look at the traction being made in Europe, the front national, jobbik, UKIP, golden dawn. The USA is next. You ready venom?
Posted by juche on May 28, 2014 at 11:24 PM · Report this
TCLballardwallymont 98
"the front national, jobbik, UKIP, golden dawn. The USA is next. You ready "





Yes, quite ready to apply a well deserved beatdown to race based politics under any name.
Posted by TCLballardwallymont on May 29, 2014 at 1:47 PM · Report this
ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ 99
@97: "[D]iffering opinions"? I'm sorry, there is opinion, and then there is fact. We've been over this, but you stubbornly and small-mindedly insist that any facts that contradict what you say must have been elaborately faked by the Jews. You keep saying "heaps of information" and yet you never seem to provide any. I furthermore defy you to mention one "outright lie" that I've actually told.
Bring it on, you fascist scum.
Posted by ɥsɐןɯouǝʌ on May 29, 2014 at 9:14 PM · Report this
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This is stupid, I'm not spending the time to go through all of your content and point out the lies within it and since you deem every list of known spies, Jew involvement in the soviet bloodbath or other criticisms as anti-Semitic why should I waste the time to compile my own lists? Anyone who cares enough can do their own research as I have and draw their own conclusions. Anyone who can read and apply critical thinking will notice how the most fascist nation on earth (Israel) constantly accuses other nations of applying fascism against it. Once people realize this they will begin to read between the lines, bullshit like Macklemore's plastic nose, how a P.O.C. was offended because of this insignificant trifle or that trifle, how white people are suppose to behave, how white people shouldn't do this or that. All of that joo mafia sponsored media garbage will just fade away into oblivion. People will start to wake up, notice a real story like a group of Africans littering the street with bullets and a police force, stripped of its power, unable to do anything about it because they were a "minority". People will yearn for the old days and realize how their identity, purpose and future have been distorted, taken away from them. This is exactly what is happening in Europe, groups like front national are making huge gains, want their true, original culture and traditions to be restored and their identity as a people back. Not the Jooish version of history.
Posted by juche on May 30, 2014 at 4:33 PM · Report this
Something tells me the same people saying get over it were the same ones bitching about people dressing up like a Mexican on cinco de mayo. What's even funnier is that people think mackelmore is a rapper.
Posted by The Artful Dogger on June 1, 2014 at 12:33 PM · Report this

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