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She Makes Beats

Women who rap almost never produce their own albums. Katie Kate did just that—and in Seattle, she’s not alone. THEESatisfaction are next! Move, boys—get out the way.

She Makes Beats

Jenny Jimenez

A party in the middle of winter. The house is surrounded by dark trees. The party has no end in sight. People are still arriving. Everyone is talking with everyone. One conversation is happening right behind me. It's between a man and a woman. The woman is blond and young, and the man is eager. Is he making a move on her?

The man: "What do you do for a living?"

The woman: "I rap and make beats."

The matter-of-factness of her response would make perfect sense in a world where rapping and producing hiphop beats were common career options for blond women. Because we do not live in such a world, it unbalances her interlocutor. He begins to mumble and meander. He's obviously wondering why in the world she didn't say something sensible like: I work at Nordstrom, or Microsoft. That would have given him something to talk about.

The statement "I rap and make beats" was one of the few things said or done at the party that survived the dead-drunk sleep and the brutal ocean of a hangover the next day. A woman who makes beats! Women rappers are common enough, but female producers are extremely rare. My knowledge of hiphop history, which is by no means encyclopedic, but also nothing to laugh at, cannot recall even one woman who has made a name in shaping the sound of hiphop. Not one. Zero. Zip. Zilch. (Those who point to Missy Elliott are doing so out of desperation.)

Hiphop has been around for more than three decades. In the same amount of time, modern jazz (1939 to 1969) produced brilliant and celebrated female composers—Mary Lou Williams, Alice Coltrane, Nina Simone. In fact, if you go all the way back to the middle of the 1920s (not exactly the best time for any kind of woman in this country), you will find Lillian Hardin composing and arranging songs for Louis Armstrong's groundbreaking Hot Fives. There's none of this kind of history in hiphop. From its beginnings in the poorest parts of New York City to the present day, hiphop production has been dominated, to an unusual degree, by men. If you are wondering why this is the case, then you must be from another planet whose higher animals have evolved a completely different, and possibly more equal, system of reproduction. To make things clear for such an alien, here is a 2006 interview with the R&B singer Joi Gilliam by the site Honeysoul:

Joi: The [hiphop] industry is horrifically chauvinist. And racist. But horrifically chauvinist. There are no female producers. Name me one. Besides Missy!
Honeysoul: I was about to say Missy...
Joi: Besides Missy, name me one. You can't. There aren't any.

Surprisingly, our city, whose hiphop scene has been thriving since 2005, currently has three emerging female hiphop producers, one of whom, Katie Kate, is the producer I overheard at that party. "Production is a male-centric thing," she agrees. "Boys with toys. Just like any other technical thing men get into. They think they know all about wires. That's why women in music feel they need a male producer to get their shit out there. So one of the things I made sure of when I made Flatland was that I produced every track." This was said in Kate's little kitchen. We were sitting at her small table. A side of her blond hair was recently shaved.

Her October 2011 album, Flatland, is one of four (according to the combined hiphop knowledge of myself and Larry Mizell Jr.) local hiphop albums fully produced by women. She made it in her bedroom, where there is a long synthesizer, a small mixer, a shiny microphone, and a laptop. This equipment is arranged along a window that has a view of the west part of Capitol Hill, parts of downtown, a little bit of the Olympics, and lots of sky and scattered clouds when the sun is out. "I've always been an outsider," she says. "I was an outsider in my town and my high school, and now I'm an outsider in this city. I have never really belonged anywhere."

Born Katie Finn on December 30, 1986, raised in Voorheesville, a village in upstate New York that's 98.7 percent white, and educated at the whitest schools, the young woman who would later work under the name Katie Kate was exposed to a lot of hiphop, which has its roots in the black and Hispanic neighborhoods of New York City. She caught hiphop on the radio—in fact, she once won a rap contest on a local radio station—and from people she hung out with. After all, by the '00s, hiphop had become a universal culture: In the '80s, it was a culture emanating from two great American cities (NYC and LA); in the '90s, it spread to many cities (the Bay Area, Houston, Atlanta, Chicago, Philadelphia, Seattle); in the '00s, it was everywhere. Along with this exposure to hiphop, there was Kate's engagement with traditional arts, with high school musicals, plays, and music education—flute, piano, and vocals. Talking with Kate about her past, one rapidly realizes that, for her, art (be it music, dance, or theater) was not simply a way of escaping the realities of small-town life, complicated relationships with her parents, and the betrayals of bad boyfriends. Art—learning it, creating it, loving it—was simply and naturally a part of her life, and still is.

By 2005, her last year of high school, Kate was listening to a lot of Jay-Z, Atmosphere, and Kanye West, particularly The College Dropout. She applied online to Cornish College of the Arts, and because it was too costly for her to fly to Seattle to audition for the school, her father bought her studio time to produce a demo. On the demo, recorded in Bethlehem, New York, she performed a piece of flute music, sang Ben Harper's "Another Lonely Day," and played Ben Folds's "Smoke" on the piano. "I sent the tape and thought it was not going to happen," she says.

But something did happen. While rehearing for a high school production of Beauty and the Beast—she was dressed as a teapot—her drama teacher, Mr. Lopez, informed her that her father was in the auditorium and wanted to speak to her. She walked to the auditorium's doors, opened them, and there was her father. The teapot asked what the matter was. The father handed the teapot a postcard from Cornish. On one side, it had Andy Warhol–like pop-up art of Nellie Cornish (the woman who founded the school) and on the other, the word CONGRATULATIONS.

"I fucking lost my shit. I lost my shit. I felt delivered. I could leave this town. I could do my own thing. I started weeping. I fell on the floor. I rolled all over..." She was a teapot on the floor. For her senior solo, she played the Counting Crows song "Round Here" ("It's about a small town—I thought it was deep at the time"), finished, received applause (even from one of her bad boyfriends), stepped off the stage, and never looked back.

The two other female hiphop producers in Seattle, Stasia Irons and Catherine Harris-White of the rap duo THEESatisfaction, don't share Kate's opinion about the lack of female producers. The reason for this is that THEESatisfaction, who recently signed to Sub Pop and were raised in South Seattle (they attended Renton High School), don't isolate their work in the tradition of hiphop but see it as part of a wider and older and richer tradition of black music. "There are many female producers of black music," they write in an e-mail from Europe, where they have been touring. "We follow in the footsteps of Patrice Rushen, Bobbi Humphrey, Muhsinah, Georgia Anne Muldrow, Missy Elliott, Esperanza Spalding, and more."

THEESatisfaction cannot offer sharp criticism of hiphop because they see an abundance of women producers rather than a scarcity. This sense of abundance is reflected in their music, which draws from genres within and outside of the black spectrum—new wave, punk, electroacoustic—and in their raps, which are about black liberation politics, bisexuality, science fiction, American history, black American history, their personal experiences, and, of course, gay feminism. (It might be safe to say at this point that Irons and Harris-White are the most famous openly gay rappers/producers in the history of hiphop.)

The music on THEESatisfaction's first record, Snow Motion, featured male producers, but their new album, awE naturalE, due for release a month from now, doesn't. It was produced entirely by Irons and Harris-White, with Erik Blood on the boards. (Blood, who has worked with Shabazz Palaces and the Moondoggies, helped THEESatisfaction transition from a low-tech sound to a fuller and more finished sound.) There's probably no chance Seattle will drop a better hiphop record in 2012 than awE naturalE.

As for Katie Kate, she is on track to become one of the leading names of the scene. Like THEESatisfaction, she has national-recognition potential. Liberal-minded Seattle might be the place where hiphop history is made, though that doesn't mean the usual bullshit doesn't apply here. When Kate began to promote her completed album at venues around town, she hit the next and much wider level of male chauvinism (it impacts all genres—rock, soul, punk, hiphop): sound checks at live shows.

"I know how to plug in a mixer, I know how to follow my signal path. I know what I'm fucking doing. But at a show, inevitably, the sound guy doesn't talk to me if there's a problem, he talks to one of the guys," Kate says with a good dose of world-weariness. "I had an experience with Mad Rad once at Neumos. There was a problem with the sound, and I kept suggesting how to fix it, but no one would listen to me. Then the sound guy suggested exactly what I had been suggesting over and over. Everyone listened to him and it fixed the problem. You know, I was invisible. Women are invisible to them!"

Kate is one of two women in the Out for Stardom crew—Mad Rad, Metal Chocolates, Fresh Espresso, Don't Talk to the Cops!—and she got involved with them more or less on accident. She was in a coffee shop, and the man behind the counter was hitting on her and her friend. The coffee shop was Joe Bar, a small cafe in a leafy and elegant corner of Capitol Hill, and the flirtatious man behind the counter was Gregory Smith, aka Terry Radjaw, a then-emerging DJ/rapper. Kate's friend was Hanna Benn, another music student at Cornish. Kate and Benn were in a band, Bakemono, that made what can only be described as urban folk music. The duo's first big show was opening for Radjaw when he opened for the veteran rapper Talib Kweli at the Showbox on November 19, 2006. The two performed a folk version of R. Kelly's "Ignition Remix."

Radjaw happens to live in a Capitol Hill apartment building managed by Marcus Goodsell, a dubstep producer who works under the name Dash EXP. The month Katie Kate completed her senior recital at Cornish, in January 2011, she met with Dash EXP at Espresso Vivace. The meeting was about him possibly mixing her unfinished, three-years-in-the-making first album. She gave him two tracks. He listened to them, was impressed with what he heard, and agreed to be her mixer.

Though Kate's ear was trained for classical music and she knew how to program a beat, she didn't know how to translate the beats you make in your bedroom to the beats you hear in a club. Dash EXP taught her this while mixing her album in his apartment in the spring of 2011. She would bring him her files, and he would clean them up. "I'd look over his shoulder while he worked and see this is your sub, and this is your kick, and these are the decibels that it lays in. I'm a control freak. I don't like people messing with my work. But I really trusted him, he had a great ear, and he tolerated my pickiness."

Dash EXP made Kate's album sound hiphop-hip, Euro-slick, and ready for the club. "Here is something he knew that I did not know. The kick always lays in at around 60 or 70 decibels. That's something you don't find in a book," she says. "It's something you can only get from a mentor."

While the album was being mixed, Katie Kate began doing shows around town. To get a handle on this side of the business, she turned to Radjaw, who was by then a member of the rap group Mad Rad. To be a rapper is also to be an entertainer, a fact that many indie MCs in this city are ignorant of and a fact that Radjaw impressed upon Katie Kate. "Radjaw is really about that kind of thing. He is into the performance and rocking a show," she says. "When I did my first show at the Rendezvous, I was a little worried, so I had my back to the audience and rapped to Radjaw [who was DJing]. After the show, he told me that if I ever did that again, he was going to kill me. 'You do not rap to me, you rap to the audience. You're there for them, not for me.' So if people think I got too much attitude on the stage, you can thank Radjaw."

Though Kate clearly has a talent for her hiphop production—the heavy, deep, sexy beat for the Flatland track "Totebag" is, in my opinion, a local classic—she is not keen on making the next big step: producing for other rappers. (THEESatisfaction, on the other hand, are keen on doing this, and I can easily imagine them being something like the Neptunes of the new art of hiphop.)

"The beats I make are personal; they are really about me, where I'm at in a given time and place," she says. "It's hard for me to imagine someone else rapping to them. Maybe I will get over that, but for now, the music is too much about me."

And this, to conclude, is the essence of Katie Kate. Despite dealing with male chauvinism on a regular basis, her music is not at all political. It is instead about her mode of being in the world, which tends to be cold, closed, and reserved. Indeed, no matter how present she is (on a stage, on a song, or sitting across the table from you), something about her remains far from where you are. She is like a distant star that's bright but has no warmth. recommended

 

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Charles, you have 10 seconds to name 2 female producers in any genre of music. No google. Oh, and no desperate references, natch.

I can name more female hip hop producers than I can in any other genre but I don't want to undermine your narrative so go ahead.
Posted by Chins on February 29, 2012 at 9:24 AM · Report
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A building manager who is a dubstep producer sounds like my worst apartment nightmare come true.
Posted by Swearengen on February 29, 2012 at 9:29 AM · Report
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how is Missy Elliott a 'desperate' pick? She's a genius (IQ proven), a multi-platinum producer who more women she aspire to be like. Shout out to Katie Kat though, I think we're FB friends. Out For Stardom is the shit as well... undoubtedly P Smoov might have taught her a few things.
Posted by doeberman on February 29, 2012 at 9:42 AM · Report
Belly 4
You just had to mention her "little kitchen," huh?
Posted by Belly on February 29, 2012 at 2:48 PM · Report
Andrew Chapman 5
I wasn't to happy with the way Katie Kate and Radjaw were treating people back stage at The Crocodille when we played with them. Rude rude rude.
Posted by Andrew Chapman http://princessismetal.blogspot.com/ on February 29, 2012 at 3:35 PM · Report
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Flatland is a brilliant fucking record! Glad to hear her getting more recognition.
Posted by Tennis Pro on February 29, 2012 at 3:48 PM · Report
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Ok, so we've got a barista/DJ/rapper, a building manager/dubstep producer, and a rich white girl with Skrillex hair...I think we've reached hipster critical mass here. Eject, eject!
Posted by the_spiral on March 1, 2012 at 5:42 AM · Report
Andrew Chapman 8
Turns out I was wrong, Katie Kate is a class act and is most excellent. She is going to do very well I think.
Posted by Andrew Chapman http://princessismetal.blogspot.com/ on March 1, 2012 at 9:23 AM · Report
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@7 Good point. Affluent people often get bored counting their vast wealth and commonly fill their free time making lattes for other people.
Posted by Baristas Everywhere on March 1, 2012 at 9:51 AM · Report
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Proud of our alums, Katie Kate and Catherine Harris-White. (The Pollens, appearing with Katie Kate at the Sunset, are also Cornish alums!)
Posted by Cornish College of the Arts on March 1, 2012 at 11:02 AM · Report
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this music sucks...
Posted by Chris-84321 on March 1, 2012 at 11:57 AM · Report
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So tired of seeing the column inches devoted to subpar, but hipster-marketable acts when so many struggling men and women in the city are creating material on such a higher level, both in terms of artistry and technical ability - who actually represent the voice of urban minority youth.

I also see this with Segal's relatively narrow choices in how the local electronic music community is represented as well (although the effort for both authors to stretch their horizons is also noticeable, and I thank them for that), and can only imagine that necessities for appealing towards an overwhelmingly white and indie-subculture identifying demographic is what is forcing the hand of these music journalists to forgo promoting locals who display greater mastery over their craft.

Dash EXP for example - he's actually a very inept producer technically, no remarkable than a random kid's soundcloud that picked up a DAW last year - but he does very well when it comes to social connections, and may work very hard to support a club night - but he's still the guy whose tracks aren't really ready yet, because he hasn't put in the time. He's also very good at padding his artist "blurb" by mentioning avant garde movements like musique concrète, while actually showing up to his show reveals a lot of cut 'n' paste, not-quite-ready-to-show-people-yet wobbly brostep.

Ultimately, it would be nice if these few inches of media space would feel like the were coming from cultural insiders, as opposed to outsiders marketing music towards people who are even further removed from these scenes. It's frustrating to see the only rag in town that has any kind of young readership make it clear that it's still who you know, and not necessarily what you're doing.
Posted by srslydude on March 1, 2012 at 11:58 AM · Report
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Yo charles, female rappers are coming up in seattle. Katie kate and theesatisfaction are the leaders, but peep my girl gift of gab on moor gang/ cloudnice
Posted by princemüshty on March 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM · Report
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Rich white girl? Who the fuck is that? I'm sick of you posers and wanna bees bein all nasty and stupid. R you sayin only black people are legitinmate in hip hop? That sounds like a racist attitude to me. Knock off the BS and focus on the music. In Katie' Kate's case its fuckin good so deal with it.
Posted by dude99 on March 1, 2012 at 3:41 PM · Report
RatGirl 15
Peaches makes her own beats.
Posted by RatGirl on March 1, 2012 at 4:18 PM · Report
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She makes beats: I give a fuck
Posted by Drugs Delaney on March 1, 2012 at 8:34 PM · Report
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M.I.A. Although she may not be hip hop? I think she produces or has a record label. one of her proteges is Rye Rye. Anyway, I did hear a katie Kate song (amazon) on KEXP and 19 year old daughter asked me to look it up, so it must be pretty good for the genre. I myself thought that song sounded influenced by MIA
Posted by julesg on March 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM · Report
GooseberryPie 18
I must say, her performance at the Chop Suey on New Year's Eve was inspired. I just had to let her know that I was buying her album!
Posted by GooseberryPie on March 2, 2012 at 12:49 AM · Report
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If you haven't checked out Kate's new release you are really missing out. Flatland is... I'm gong to say it... brilliant.

Kate was a fixture at one of our regular haunts - The Joe Bar. One night she very casually mentioned she was a musician and I should check out her new CD. I bought her album in December and was blown away my the breadth of talent and genre mixing it displays.

I've listened to it nearly everyday since. "Uh-Oh" and "Thickstacks" particularly. I honestly can't wait to her live in Ballard.

I'm betting on her going places for sure. Way to go Kate.
Posted by tkc on March 2, 2012 at 12:20 PM · Report
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wow this fucking sucks. what are people hearing when they call it brilliant??
Posted by eatin_meat on March 2, 2012 at 1:28 PM · Report
sevendaughters 21
Not so much a fan of Katie Kate (I would have thought its consumerist allusions wouldn't have slipped by Charles so quickly) but am COMPLETELY on the THEESatisfaction train, where are we going girls, I want to go there. 'QueenS' is so so good.
Posted by sevendaughters on March 2, 2012 at 1:47 PM · Report
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This is the first I have heard of Kate Kate, I will be buying the album after I get off work! Love IT!
Posted by Digital on March 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM · Report
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I googled and found her on myspace, and listened to about 20 seconds of totebag. Dang, that is some tepid, lame stuff. But I suppose it is just the kind of overly clever, quirky breathy (breathless) souless fluff white urban types seem to want to hear in all genres these days. I knew it was just a matter of time before white artists took a great art form and messed it all up. While there are some good white hip hop artists, can we just make up a new term for this new hipster sound? Christ, I would rather listen to Vanilla Ice.
Posted by rp on March 2, 2012 at 2:11 PM · Report
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This seems relevant:
http://gu.com/p/329q6
Posted by xo on March 2, 2012 at 4:55 PM · Report
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I do believe you missed out on a female producer for your story! Queen Latifah produced and mixed some of her first albums. As well ast the Dana Owens Album with Tondy Bennett.
Posted by onyxstar on March 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM · Report
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This chick is NOT good. Sorry....This sucks. Absolutly souless drivel. This music has no feeling or a message.
Posted by Redhots on March 2, 2012 at 10:32 PM · Report
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This chick sounds terrible. She sounds souless. It helps if music has a soul and a message to go with it. This is NOT good rap or music period. But hey lets just say how awesome the little white girl is for making edgey sounds :)
Posted by Redhots on March 2, 2012 at 10:38 PM · Report
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Ummm, this is good music? I guess I have bad taste.
Posted by Anonymous Commenter on March 4, 2012 at 2:16 AM · Report
mtnlion 29
So this is super shallow of me but i can't get over how truly awful that photograph of her is. Posture that gives her a hunchback, tight off the shoulder dress, undershaved head/weird hairstyle i am not cool enough to understand, from a high angle where she almost in the the center of the picture?

I applaud people who bravely put the things they've created out there into the world of haters, but man, any other photo of her has to be better than this one. Not a huge fan of the music either, but then, we all have preferences.
Posted by mtnlion on March 6, 2012 at 7:28 PM · Report
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@29 -- You're totally right. And it's all my fault. The image has been swapped for a better one.
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle on March 12, 2012 at 4:59 PM · Report
mtnlion 31
Muuuuuuch better, in my humble opinion.
Posted by mtnlion on March 15, 2012 at 12:18 AM · Report
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I'm not a superfan of the music, but anyone here disputing how hard Katie works or her character can suck balls. I've only worked with her once, long ago at Cornish, but she was professional, hardworking, exceedingly talented, and a pleasure to work with.

Those of you referring to her as a rich white girl with no talent have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by HolyFool85 on May 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM · Report

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