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Why Are Washington Residents Opting Out of Vaccinations?

Stupid Fucking Anti-Vaccine Hippies
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According to a definitive new study published June 3, Washington State ranks among the worst in the nation in meeting childhood vaccination targets. In the Centers for Disease Control's (CDC) epidemiological newsletter, the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, our state ranges between 88 and 93 percent compliance for "required" vaccinations like polio, whooping cough, measles, hepatitis B, and chicken pox. The CDC's target is 95 percent. But even more embarrassing, our state now leads the nation in parent-signed exemptions for kindergarten enrollees at 6.2 percent, a rate that has more than doubled over the past decade.

In other words, Washington is suffering an epidemic of stupid fucking Jenny McCarthy–worshiping anti-vaccine hippies. Only eight states report a lower compliance rate on the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine than Washington's 91.7 percent, while Mississippi leads the nation with 99.7 percent compliance.

And Seattle is only somewhat better than Washington as a whole.

At 5.3 percent, the rate of parent-signed exemptions for kindergarten enrollees at Seattle's public and private schools is still way too high, and the exemptions appear to be skewed toward a handful of private and alternative public schools. According to statistics obtained from the Washington State Department of Health, six Seattle schools have kindergarten exemption rates higher than 20 percent, almost all for "personal," rather than medical or religious, reasons: Seattle Hebrew Academy (43.5 percent), University Cooperative School (36.4 percent), the Community School of West Seattle (33.3 percent), Salmon Bay School (30 percent), Seattle Waldorf School (24.6 percent), and Pathfinder K-8 School (20.4 percent). Not one of these schools has a kindergarten vaccination completion rate better than 65 percent. That's an epidemic waiting to happen.

Skipping vaccinations exposes these kids to measles, mumps, whooping cough, and other diseases we typically vaccinate for, but it also endangers children who are too young or too immune-compromised to be vaccinated. These kids would normally be protected by herd immunity.

According to the herd immunity theory, the larger the percentage of the population that is resistant to a contagious disease, the less likely any individual is to come into contact with the infecting agent in the first place. Once a certain immunization threshold is reached, the chain of infection is broken and the possibility of a sustained outbreak is all but eliminated. But at a vaccination rate of only 91.7 percent for MMR, for example, Washington is now dangerously close to falling below the herd immunity threshold for these sometimes deadly diseases, all thanks to stupid fucking hippies and their bullshit science.

Our current epidemic of anti-vaccine hysteria kicked off in 1998, when former physician and researcher Andrew Wakefield published a controversial study in British medical journal the Lancet linking the MMR vaccine to the development of autism. I emphasize "former physician and researcher" because Wakefield lost his license to practice medicine after he was found guilty of serious medical misconduct and unethical research practices, as the BBC reported in 2010. But that, and the fact that there is no credible scientific research supporting a causal link between vaccines and autism, hasn't stopped the anti-vaccine movement from growing. Led by celebrity advocates like "actress" Jenny McCarthy—who has made her own son the poster child for confusing correlation with causality by very publicly blaming his autism on vaccinations rather than on, say, chance, genetics, or a cruel and capricious God—the anti-vaccine movement continues to gain adherents, particularly among stupid fucking hippies. recommended

 

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Didn't you get the Memo from the "Good Anti-Authority New Age Liberal Committee"? It's all a conspiracy by Big Pharma so they can make a buck and give your kid autism.
Posted by bigpharma on June 8, 2011 at 9:36 AM · Report this
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I vaccinate my kids for everything but
varicella (but will vaccinate for that when
they reach their pre-teens without the having
it). But I read about the vaccine studies done
before coming to this conclusion, and I totally
disregarded anyone who is anti-vaccination.
Effectiveness of vaccination for varicella
and the proper number of shots/boosters is
not as well known as other vaccinations.
And for HPV, you should read up on that. I
believe it can be a good thing. But the shots
are not lifelong immunity, so reading up on
what the studies say can help (I would support
boys getting these shots as well, it is only in
the timing of when people get the shots that
I have an issue).

Putting all vaccinations in the same catagory
is oversimplistic. Doctors who don't know
the answers to my specific questions usually
understand I'm anti-vaccination.
Posted by anonymous101 on June 8, 2011 at 10:53 AM · Report this
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whups, they "assume" I'm anti-vaccination.*

Yes, I previewed it, but editing is my
bane.

*I'm only against not asking questions that
affect my child's health and taking current
real scientic information (vs. Jenny what's-
her-name) into account.


Posted by anonymous101 on June 8, 2011 at 11:03 AM · Report this
Revenge! 4
Why are Washington residents opting out of vaccinations? Because they think they know better than doctors.
Posted by Revenge! on June 8, 2011 at 11:40 AM · Report this
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So you're calling Washington stupid for not complying and Mississippi smart for complying?

Mississippi is currently ranked at the bottom of the American Human Development Index. Mississippi had the highest rate of obesity of any U.S. state from 2005–2008 and also ranks first in the nation for high blood pressure, diabetes, and adult inactivity.
In 2007, Mississippi students scored the lowest of any state on the National Assessments of Educational Progress in both math and science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi…

Why would the state of Washington want to emulate Mississippi in any way?
Posted by dscreeen on June 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM · Report this
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So Mississippi has a 99.5% vaccine compliance rate?

Wow, good for them. They are also the fattest, dumbest state in the union!

Mississippi is currently ranked at the bottom of the American Human Development Index.
For three years in a row, more than 30 percent of Mississippi's residents have been classified as obese.
It ranks first in the nation for high blood pressure, diabetes, and adult inactivity.
In 2007, Mississippi students scored the lowest of any state on the National Assessments of Educational Progress in both math and science.

Do you still want to emulate Mississippi?
Posted by dscreeen on June 8, 2011 at 3:03 PM · Report this
Zebes 7
@5, 6:

we're talking about vaccines, here, not Mississippi.

I know they're easy to mistake for one another, but try to keep up, now.
Posted by Zebes http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.html on June 8, 2011 at 3:36 PM · Report this
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Hey Goldy, I bet you fell for the great swine flu hoax of 2009, didn't you? You listened to the government "experts" and ran out in a panic and got jabbed with an untested vaccine, didn't you?

Think twice before you call other people stupid.
Posted by dscreeen on June 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM · Report this
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@7:

The point of the article is: Washington's low vaccine rates are dangerous/bad.

My point is: Mississippi's high vaccine rate (99.7%) might be dangerous/bad.

I hope that clarifies it.
Posted by dscreeen on June 8, 2011 at 4:19 PM · Report this
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Who put lighter fluid in your beer? WA state is one of the lucky states where parents have three exemptions, medical, religious, and philosophical. Your kids don't have to receive chemo and you don't have to be a snake handler to delay The Schedule.
Posted by WenG on June 8, 2011 at 4:32 PM · Report this
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Goldie, by any chance is your middle name "Rockefeller" are do you work for them by accident????

Ever heard of Baxter International and Baxter Pharmaceuticals, by any chance?

They have the prime contract with the United Nations and the WHO for vaccines, yet they have an abominable record of "accidentally" shipping out pandemic-level vaccines and supplementals every few years to laboratories all over the planet.

Fortunately, each time one or more labs have discovered what their shipment consisted of prior to inadvertently creating a modern day pandemic (last time it was a lab in the Czech Republic which caught a Baxter shipment which had combined the highly contagious common flu with the avian bird flu).

Ever heard of "research fraud," dood? The major pharmaceuticals have been guilty of it consistently over the past two decades (Pfizer, Eli Lilly, Merck, etc.).

In point of fact, Pfizer, Eli Lilly and Merck have paid the highest criminal penalties in human history for knowingly performing mass murder with the illegal marketing of drugs for one purpose, when they were actually created and worked on something entirely else!

Sure, I'm for a valid vaccine, created and developed by reliable companies -- but with the complely corrupted FDA, and CDC (in thrall to the vaccine mega corporations) -- where and how can we be ever certain of such?

Might check out these places, dood.

http://www.innworldreport.net/inn/index.…

http://www.pharmalot.com/2010/06/doc-goe…

http://www.naturalnews.com/028194_Scott_…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0FbcHjPJ…

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Posted by sgt_doom on June 8, 2011 at 5:58 PM · Report this
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Sometime, Goldie, sometime if you really want to begin to sound at least slightly sophisticated, like a real reporter or journalist, you might actually endeavor to learn about the ownership of the mega corporations, the pharmaceuticals, the top banks, the top oil corporations, the weapons makers, and finally become enlightened as to how the are owned by the same relatively small group of super-rich individuals and families.

You might well find it to be an elucidating experience?
Posted by sgt_doom on June 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM · Report this
Zebes 13
Brain control chemicals and UN conspiracies
Posted by Zebes http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.html on June 8, 2011 at 8:34 PM · Report this
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@5 @6: I see what you mean. I was vaccinated as a child, and at 5'5" and 110, I am morbidly obese, as a direct cause of my childhood vaccinations.

Fucking idiot.
Posted by suddenlyorcas on June 8, 2011 at 8:47 PM · Report this
lauramae 15
1.So in order to not emulate Mississippi, parents should refuse to vaccinate their children with proven, safe vaccines that otherwise would protect them from potentially deadly disease to look "smarter" than Mississippi?

That's the dumbest thing ever.

2. So if a pharma company is owned by rich people it doesn't matter if the vaccine is effective. Voice your opposition to greed by endangering your kid and other kids' lives by showing the man you aren't buying his vaccine.

That's also one of the dumbest things ever.

Whooping Cough is experiencing a resurgence in Washington State. It is entirely preventable. And yet, grungy granola eating hippies don't really give a crap about their own children or any other children because they read something on the Internet that has been spread like chain mail. This is the sort of ignorant science illiteracy that has serious consequences for this country.
Posted by lauramae on June 8, 2011 at 9:27 PM · Report this
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Dumb parents who grew up vaccinated and have no clue how devastating these diseases are, and how generations of parents lived in abject terror for their children.

Dumb stranger readers that think if a corporation makes something it's evil. Move out of your house, ditch your car, stop eating food and drinking craft brews, live in a cave you hypocrites.
Posted by taxpayer on June 9, 2011 at 12:04 AM · Report this
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Oh and stop reading the corporate owned stranger on your corporate produced PC over the corporately powered, served and switched internet.
Posted by taxpayer on June 9, 2011 at 12:07 AM · Report this
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My sister was one o' them hippies...travelled Renaissance Faires and WOULD NOT vaccinate her precious b/c he could get autism. Well, after the study came out DEBUNKING that assertion...she got her son vaccinated. To get your head around WHY hippies suffer their children...think GLOBAL WARMNING/AL GORE in a syringe.
Posted by osage2112 on June 9, 2011 at 6:22 AM · Report this
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The author is right. It's pretty clear to me that there will be a measles outbreak in time(like the one in Minneapolis this year), and some of these children might die or become brain damaged. No vaccine lead to autism. These are facts in that they have been proven the best ways we know how.
Posted by bozbozeman on June 9, 2011 at 8:41 AM · Report this
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Since Goldie chooses to ignore all the factual data out there, and write in a vacuum of ignorance, let's address something else which appeared in this paper this issue.

They thanked the Susan B. Komen foundation for raising over a million for their "fight against breast cancer."

Several specious assumptions here. First, is Nancy Brinker the first and only truthful neocon??????

Why would Nancy Brinker, founder of this marketing organization known as the Susan G. Komen Foundation (although it keeps going through name changes), be believed, given her record???

Also, has Goldie ever done a forensic audit, or seen any forensic audits, of this foundation?

Or anyone else at The Stranger, as they are given to robotically following along like so many stupified clowns?

Vaccines, which haven't been contracted to be manufactured in nonsterile bathtubs in China (Goldie is the only one who missed that PBS special on vaccines, no doubt????) by Pfizer, Merck and Eli Lilly, may actually be efficacious, but why would anyone trust the American FDA or CDC, given their execrable records?

Some background material:

http://www.iop.harvard.edu/Programs/Fell…

"Winston is the author of several books. Her first, Winning the Race: Taking Charge of Breast Cancer, she wrote with Nancy Brinker, founding Chair of the Komen Breast Cancer Foundation. She also co-authored the autobiography of former Republican Congressman J.C. Watts, Jr., What Color is a Conservative? published by Harper Collins. Her third book, One Hundred Years of Fellowship, published by Regnery Press, tells the story of Washington D.C. through the colorful history of one of its most prestigious clubs. The foreword for the book was written by Chief Justice William Rehnquist. Her next book, How to Raise an American, will be published by Random House Crown Forum in March 2007."

http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/GeneralInfo…

"Lobbying largesse It's no accident the Komen Foundation favors the Republicans. A July 12, 2001, agreement between the president and five companies to run a prescription-discount-card program for Medicare patients, included a company called Caremark Rx, at which Brinker was on the board of directors, according to financial records.

Another vendor, Merck-Medco, is one of many drug companies found in the Komen Foundation's investment portfolio. (Brinker resigned from all board seats, including the Komen Foundation, when she was appointed.) If approved, the discount cards would provide up to a 10 percent discount on brand -name drugs.

The Komen Foundation relies on longtime Washington lobbyist Rae F. Evans, a self-described "corporate strategist" with little experience or interest in grassroots advocacy, who also doubles as a lobbyist for Brinker's husband, restaurant magnate and polo champion Norman Brinker, of Brinker International. Norman Brinker made his fortune off restaurants such as Steak & Ale, Chili's and Bennigan's and has sat on the Haggar Corporation's board of directors--along with Evans--since 1994.

Also on board for the Komen Foundation's
patients'-bill-of-rights efforts is Akin Gump, the fourth-largest lobbying firm in the country, whose roster reads like a who's who of anti-health-care-reformers. Akin Gump has direct links to the Health Benefits Coalition, the industry's leading
political action committee in the fight to stop a patients' bill of rights that would boost patients' rights over their health plans.

Not surprisingly, the Komen Foundation owned $162,843 in Brinker International stock during 2000, the only year for which records are available. The Komen Foundation also
owns stock in several pharmaceutical companies and in General Electric, one of the largest makers of mammogram machines in the world.

At 1998 Food and Drug Administration hearings, the Komen Foundation was the only national breast-cancer group to endorse the cancer-treatment drug tamoxifen as a prevention device for healthy but high-risk women, despite vehement opposition by most other breast-cancer groups. The drug's maker, AstraZeneca, long has been a Komen Foundation booster, by making educational grants to the foundation and
having a visible presence at the Race for the Cure. And, in 2000, the parent company Zeneca Inc. employed Multinational Business Services, the lobbyist for HBC, a group that opposes the patients' bill of rights.

Tamoxifen is one of the most widely used and successful breast-cancer treatments today, but groups such as the National Women's Health Network, Breast Cancer Action.
Medical Consumers Union and San Francisco activist Marilyn McGregor all issued critical statements at the hearing against approving it to prevent breast cancer. They testified about the drug's troubling links to uterine cancer and the FDA's questionable criteria used to define a woman as high-risk.

Only slightly less surprising is the half- million dollars' worth of stock Nancy Brinker owns in U.S. Oncology, a chain of for-profit treatment centers (on whose board she sat at least from 1999 through 2001, according to company records).

U.S. Oncology's firm of Rose & Hefling is a lobbyist for the Philip Morris tobacco company, according to FEC records.

Another lobbyist for U.S. Oncology in 2000, Alison McSlarrow of McSlarrow Consulting, is former deputy chief of staff to U.S. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.), a chief
architect of the pro-HMO version of the patients' bill of rights.

The environmental disconnect One topic you'll never catch either of the Brinkers mentioning is the need for a cleaner environment. That might be because the international
petrochemical giant Occidental Corp., a big Komen Foundation booster and the same company that brought us Love Canal, donates 4,000 square feet of "glass and marble offices" to the Komen Foundation on the premises of
Occidental's Dallas headquarters.

The petrochemical industry, including Occidental, successfully lobbied in 2000 and 2001 for looser air, water and chemical regulations under the Environmental Protection
Agency at the same time as government researchers reported auto and industrial emissions caused cancer. In March 2002 alone, the EPA approved a two-year delay of the Clean Air Act rules that would cut toxic emissions from 80,000 industrial sources."
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Posted by sgt_doom on June 9, 2011 at 10:27 AM · Report this
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this is, like, not journalism.

you're supposed to try to answer in the subhead: "why?"

instead you're yelling and calling people stupid.
Posted by btg on June 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM · Report this
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@#15, lauramae,

attacks dscreen's intelligent points by calling him/her stupid.

What a complete moronic douchebagger!

The points were rather obviously intelligent, especially as your fellow douchebagger, Goldie, was making anti-points.

First point dscreen made: the fact that the least educated state in the union, the one which scores the lowest in analytical reasoning, has the highest vaccination compliance is indeed justification for some hard thinking of this important subject.

Secondly, the point of blind faith in multinational corporations which have a history of mass murder -- which have, in fact, had the highest criminal penalties exacted against them in human history -- and for some reason douchebagger, lauramae can't comprehend this? (Please tell me you're not local, but one of those outsider 'tards who now make up the majority in the Puget Sound region!)

Pfizer, Eli Lilly, Merck, et al., have an established history of screwing and maiming and killing the citizenry, their clients, and foreign populations, all for their profit.

Now, science is science, dearie, and corporate business practices, no matter how foul, ain't science!

What part of that obvious statement above is too much for your mentally-challenged pea-brain?
Posted by sgt_doom on June 9, 2011 at 2:18 PM · Report this
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@ zebes --- did you ever pass arithmetic?

Didn't think so, and it's obvious basic math is waaaaay beyond your nonanalytical buttheaded candy ass.

The state of Mississippi was mentioned to bolster Goldie's anti-point, which was nonsensical to begin with.

The only valid argument is to go to the CDC site, which some of us actually did several years back, and compare the statistics of record of vaccinated children, who still came down with the virus, etc., which they were vaccinated for, and the negative side effects, against those who received no vaccination and their later health.

It's called epidemiology, and so far it ain't on the side of the multinationals, stooge!
Posted by sgt_doom on June 9, 2011 at 2:23 PM · Report this
Bonefish 24
You anti-vaccine people are not only using ad-hominem attacks, but some of you (eg, #8) are using ad-hominem attacks based on SHIT YOU MADE UP (if your sentence starts with "I bet," just don't even bother to type the rest of it).

The reason you have to resort to this is because you have absolutely no real logic or valid science to back up your paranoia on vaccines. The only study linking vaccines and autism was debunked; once a study is debunked, believing in it *really hard* doesn't re-validate it (this is the difference between science and fairies).

See, when I find that a belief of mine is contradicted by all the available reliable science, I change my belief, because I view this as a pretty telling sign that said belief was wrong. Failing to do this is the textbook definition of that "willful ignorance" stuff that we all hate those stupid Mississippians for in the first place.

I have my own problems with the pharmaceutical industry, but this does not mean jack w. shit about vaccines. A medical procedure is either valid or not, and proof of either one has nothing to do with who is making money off of it. The practices by which big pharma operates serve as arguments against for-profit health care, not as arguments against specific medical procedures that happen to be included on the list of things they sell.

To say otherwise is akin to refusing to eat vegetables because they're grown by farmers, and farmers also grow tobacco, which is bad, so vegetables must be bad, too. It's a huge logical fallacy.
Posted by Bonefish http://5bmisc.blogspot.com/ on June 9, 2011 at 2:41 PM · Report this
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As a card-carrying hippie, I'd just like to say that I have NOT fallen for this eye-crossingly stupid hysteria, and will most certainly be vaccinating my unborn son. Jenny McCarthy is an asshole.
Posted by Jess2010Jess on June 9, 2011 at 3:20 PM · Report this
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I think we should set up a separate colony and schools for unvaccinated kids. There is a miniscule risk with vaccination, vastly outweighed by the benefits. Those who don't vaccinate their kids are getting the benefits without the risk by riding on the herd immunity of those who care about others. Ultimate selfishness. I would not want my child sharing a classroom with unvaccinated kids or have such a kid at my house. Really amazed by the way that Seattle Hebrew Academy and other schools have so many opting out. I am not aware of any religious reason to justify this. Another reason to not send a kid to that school for any Jew with half a brain. But I digress. Perhaps when a kid gets polio, pertussis, rubella or some other tragic disorder, sense and wisdom will return.
Posted by Park Place on June 9, 2011 at 6:00 PM · Report this
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#25 FTW
Posted by science chick on June 9, 2011 at 8:00 PM · Report this
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Somewhere here there is middle ground. Vaccines have potnntial side effects (vaccine reaction, immune mediated issues, possible link to allergies) not vaccinating has some serious health issues-potential life threatening illness. Bigger cons on the non-vaccinating side. It'sa black or white issue but pretty damn close. My vaccinatd 8 month old was tested for whooping cough (negative). How would I feel if she had cuaght from the kd in town who had it and wasn't vaccinated? Pretty stupid
Posted by charlybell on June 10, 2011 at 7:03 AM · Report this
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Against my better judgement, since this 'discussion' seems to be mostly name calling and lots of posturing, I would like to point out one thing about the opt-out statistics which I think is misleading: They lump everyone who does not follow the suggested vaccination schedule into the 'anti-vaccine' category.

For example, we have our children on a delayed schedule. They are getting 2 vaccinations per visit rather than the regular 5 or 6 per visit to the doctor. If they aren't on the same schedule as the state suggests by kindergarten, the parents have to file an opt-out form and they are counted in the same statistical category as a kid with no vaccinations.

If the kid is current with all their vaccinations except for one (in our case Hep. B), they need an opt-out form.

Personally, we opted out of the Hep B since we don't anticipate the kids sharing dirty needles or having unprotected sex in kindergarten. Maybe we'll revisit that one when they are a bit older, but for the mean time we need to file the opt-out form and are statistically considered 'anti-vaccine'.
Posted by gonnatry on June 10, 2011 at 7:42 AM · Report this
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@29, gonnatry,

You make some very interesting and insightful points.

Firstly, there has been a strong correlation noted between the dramatic increase in vaccinations to children under the age of 2 and the increase in recorded cases of autism.

But clearly, when the pharmaceuticals, such as Pfizer, Eli Lilly and Merck, etc., have received the largest criminal penalties in history for mass murder (a matter of legal record and therefore not debatible), would one trust them concerning vaccines????

Hardly different than purchasing a strange pill from a scruffy looking dude off the street?

Many of the commenters at this site remind me of the 23 individuals I spoke with on Sunday who were marching on behalf of Bushie neocon, Nancy Brinker (Susan G. Komen Foundation).

I inquired if they were Bush or conservative supporters, and they uniformly claimed they were "librals" (as their pronounciation sounded similar to 'tard scum, Ann Coulter, I'm not sure they fully knew how to spell the word).

Not a single one knew who Nancy Brinker was. I then inquired if they knew to what pharmaceuticals that 20% of all funds given that foundation went to?

Again, uniformly negative responses, but they were all convinced that they were "fighting breast cancer" because someone told them so.

(Must be all that Sesame Street viewing?)

The point being, the only thing more dangerous than R-Con scum (and they should all be either deported or disappeared), are self-deluding, mentally lazy self-described "librals" and "progressives" who industriously work to support the neocon agenda!

Clue to the clueless ones: the Susan G. Komen Foundation, Free Press, etc., are nothing more than neocon stealth outfits --- all one need do is to research their backers.

It is so obvious......
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Posted by sgt_doom on June 10, 2011 at 11:03 AM · Report this
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@30

Other strong correlations re: Autism.

The rise of autism strongly correlates with the rise of automobile usage.

The rise of autism strongly correlates with increased lifespans.

The rise of autism strongly correlates with the rise of cancer rates.

The rise of autism strongly correlates with the rise of commercial airline travel.

The rise of autism strongly correlates with increased diagnostic techniques, increased attention to mental disabilities, and better access to health serves.

The annual rise and fall of drowning deaths strongly correlates with the rise and fall of sales of popsicles.

Correlation proves nothing re: causation. That's why only controlled studied, perhaps bolstered by natural setting studies, matter. "Neo-con" has nothing to do with medical science. Go away.
Posted by ksmountain on June 10, 2011 at 11:47 AM · Report this
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That's it, I'm joining the Enlightened Eugenics Movement like my cousin has been asking me to do. These anti-vax morons really ARE too stupid to live, so I'm going to help kill them off by encouraging them not to vaccinate.
Posted by Fraking Jones on June 10, 2011 at 12:07 PM · Report this
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http://www.otherhealth.com/homeopathy-li…

A cursory glance at the most recent (2001) death statistics from the
Data Highlights page
posted on the CDC site, shows that Influenza and Pneumonia (International
Cause of Death numbers J10 and J18) killed 62,034 people. Quick mental
subtraction would tell you that just over half were killed by the flu, versus pneumonia, if the 36,000 number is correct. So far, the size of the flu epidemic seems plausible.
Here's the link to the National Vital Statistics System page within the CDC site that has the Data Highlights and Full Reports.

This is important, because the Data Highlights page is just that, a single page highlight of all the various mortality stats gathered by the CDC. Now, let's dig into the more detailed reports. The
"Deaths: Final Data for 2001" report is an 8MB PDF. Skip it unless you want all the charts detailing deaths by race, age, and ethnicity. The 2002 preliminary report
contains the interesting parts of the 2001 final report, as well as data from 2002. The second search result for J10 (the mortality code for flu) brings us to page 16 of 48, which contains the breakout of flu and
pneumonia. Total flu deaths for 2002: 753. Pneumonia accounted for the other 65,231 deaths. Scrolling to the right are the numbers for 2001.

Again, total flu deaths were under one thousand, coming in at 257. That's
right, less than a thousand people died of the flu in 2001 and 2002, according to the CDC's own numbers.

Searching around on the CDC website reveals several more pages that call into question the 36,000 deaths per year number. For example,
this page dedicated to the 2003-04 season states that "152 influenza-associated deaths among children" occurred during the 2003-04 flu season, but carefully avoids answering its
own question about the total number of dead in the 2003-2004 season.
Instead, it goes on in serious sounding quasi-scientific statistical blather: "During the 2003-04 season, the percentage of P & I-associated deaths was higher than the epidemic threshold for 9 consecutive weeks."
Again, lumping pneumonia and flu deaths together, even though
the CDC does not recognize the flu as one of the many causes of pneumonia.

Finally, the CDC's own
"Flu Pandemics" page
puts deaths in the United States from the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918-1919
at 500,000, Asian Flu pandemic of 1957-58 at 70,000, and the Hong Kong Flu
pandemic of 1968-69 at 34,000. These are the three 20th century pandemics,
and two of them killed close to what the CDC is now calling average. What's going on here?

How is it that the CDC could be off by two orders of magnitude between
their own official mortality stats, and the press kit number of 36,000
deaths per year. Could it be that the CDC is somehow misleading the public
about the relative dangers of the flu?

Here is a link to the CDC-AMA sponsored
National Influenza
Vaccination Summit for 2004. This is an invitation only conference hosted
by the CDC and the American Medical Association. Luckily for the public,
the speaker list, agenda, and presentations are posted online. The
attendees list of this CDC-AMA sponsored event reads like a lobbying group
for flu immunization. Of the 97 attendees, vaccine manufacturers CHIRON
(10), Aventis-Pasteur (10), Medimmune (5), and Baxter Vaccines (4) were a
full 29 strong. Medical Conglomerates Kaiser Permanente (6) and McKesson
(3) rounded out the big corporate influence cabal. The CDC sent 39
attendees and the AMA (proper, not members) had 4. The remainder of the
attendees were a mix of state and local health departments (e.g. Rhode
Island Medical Society), smaller pharma companies (e.g. Solvay
Pharmaceuticals), and pro-immunization organizations (e.g. Sabin Vaccine
Institute).

And did these learned scholars of immunology, virology, and general public
health debate the merits of vaccinating against a virus that kills less
than 1,000 people in most years? Perhaps they were celebrating the fact
that only a few hundred died from the flu, thanks to their vaccines? Not
exactly. The manufacture, distribution, and administration of flu vaccine
is a cash cow, worth several hundred million dollars a year. Here's a quote
from CHIRON CORP's 2003 Annual
Report: "Sales of our flu vaccines were $332.4 million, $90.0 million and
$74.7 million in 2003, 2002 and 2001, respectively." Those numbers
represent just the manufacture of flu vaccine, from one company, not
including any of the profits from the distribution, or administration of
the vaccine.

Buried in the speakers presentations from the conference are some
interesting stats. It turns out that 147 children under 18 died of the flu
in the 2003 04 season. Of those, 101 reported whether or not the child
received the flu vaccine. Of those, 22 had received at least one flu shot,
and 4 had received multiple flu shots. That puts the percentage of
immunized children that died at just under 22% of all children (page 10 of
23, Cochi
Presentation.) Further in the report we learn that the CDC's own studies
show they believe the flu vaccine to be only 16%-63% effective against the
flu, while a French report shows 61% effectiveness against
influenza-like-illness (without confirming that it's actually the flu).
According to a Harvard study,
(Nowak
presentation, page 26), only 22% of parents of children 6 23 months had
them immunized, and only 30% of children under 18 were immunized. Now, I'm
no Dr. John Lott when it
comes to statistics, but if the ratio of immunized to non-immunized
children in the total population (22% 30%) is nearly identical to the
immunized to non-immunized ratio of children in an admittedly small sample
of children that died (22%), the case could be made that the flu vaccine is
largely worthless



In other words, the best case these needle-happy pro-flu vaccinators can
mount shows that their immunization program would work, maybe, just over
half the time, but some simple number crunching of our own shows that its
probably much less than that. The coup de grace' comes from one of the
CDC's own, Glen Nowak, PhD., in a presentation titled
Planning
for the 2004-5 Vaccination Season: A Communication Situation Analysis" the
good doctor lays out a media manipulation campaign that would make
Goebbels proud. Pages
27 on detail a literal "7 Step Recipe" that the CDC will use, in
conjunction with the virus makers, to "(Frame)... the flu season in terms
that motivate behavior (e.g., as very severe, more severe than last or past
years, deadly)".

To summarize thus far:
* The flu kills fewer than 1,000 people on average, not 36,000
* Flu Vaccine is of highly dubious effectiveness
* The CDC and Vaccine Manufacturers are in closed door sessions with the
primary stated purpose of boosting vaccination numbers by spreading fear

At this point, some may think, "Hey, it might be worth getting, just as a
preventative measure. Sort of like throwing a little salt over your
shoulder, what can it hurt?" Plenty. The good Dr. Donald Miller, cardiac
surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington in
Seattle, recently did an
article about the dangers of mercury in vaccines and amalgam fillings. The
CDC has a position on Thimerosal (methyl mercury based preservative) in flu
vaccines posted to its
website. Without admitting that Thimerosal might be responsible for the
epidemics of autism, alzheimers, and ADD in this country, the CDC gives us
a sop about taking it out or removing it. Reading the fine print, however,
tells us: "the majority of influenza vaccines distributed in the United
States currently contain Thimerosal as a preservative." Furthermore, in a
bit of regulatory trickery, the FDA is letting smaller amounts go
undisclosed : "..some contain only trace amounts of Thimerosal and are
considered by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to be
preservative-free." In other words, even if you ask to see the vaccine
label, check for Thimerosal, and get a warm fuzzy feeling about the shot
being labeled "Thimerosal free," thanks to the FDA's accommodation of drug
manufacturers, it could still contain mercury.

When the major manufacturers of flu vaccine get together with the CDC in a
closed door summit with the sole purpose of figuring out how to stick 185
million doses of a questionable vaccine into a population in which less
than 1,000 people a year die, what should we call it? Yes, Virginia, it is
a conspiracy. Luckily the conspirators are foolish enough to believe that
their website is safely hidden amidst all the chaff of the Internet, or
else, are so brazen in their contempt for the general population that they
think we can't do a little math and conclude "The vaccine doesn't work, and
the flu is a flim-flam!"

Eventually, there will be another pandemic of the flu, and thousands will
die. The CDC should concentrate on finding ways to lower the spread,
working alternatives to vaccines, and ways to minimizing the severity of
the flu, rather than pumping out fake numbers, creating an aura of fear and
hysteria, and shilling for profits to huge pharma companies.



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Posted by sgt_doom on June 10, 2011 at 1:42 PM · Report this
AdoniaT 34
If you and your children are vaccinated..what business is it of yours what others do?

*Cue the taxpayer dollar speeches* yawn
Posted by AdoniaT on June 10, 2011 at 2:06 PM · Report this
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@32, You make me laugh and cry. It's funny now, but when small children really start dying because of these morons' gullibility, I'll feel guilty about agreeing with your comment.

@ Doom, tl;dr

There are two very valid sides to this argument. On the one hand, you have pretty much the entire scientific community. On the other hand, you have Jenny McCarthy's boobs. At the end of the day, it's hard to know who to trust. I would usually say err on the side of boobs, but when we're talking about kids dying from wholly preventable illnesses, I might have to go with the doctors.

And for those saying vaccines aren't effective, please tell me how many people you know who've had polio. How about measles? How many infants have you watched die from pertussis? Or maybe those diseases were just made-up, and it's just a big pharma conspiracy. Riiigghhht....
Posted by ExasperatedSkeptic on June 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM · Report this
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@34: It's everyone's business because children too young to be vaccinated yet depend on herd immunity until they reach the age where they can be vaccinated. If stupid fucking hippies don't vaccinate their kids, that reduces herd immunity, and puts those un-vaccinatable children at risk.
Posted by Ben on June 10, 2011 at 4:09 PM · Report this
ron_in_PDX 37
Heavens. Between this and the comments for the Intiman article, we're finally seeing Seattle have a good old fashioned melt-down screaming meemie hissy fit in print. Right now there's a 1994 Volvo weaving across Greenwood with an assistant English professor furiously texting away on his iPhone - I guarantee you.
Posted by ron_in_PDX on June 10, 2011 at 8:17 PM · Report this
rockshrine 38
@34 As someone who has a young nephew who was born premature and still continues to have health issues years later, it matters that all the other children on the playground are vaccinated to make sure my nephew doesn't become sick.

Another 2 cents: I kinda like living in a time in history where smallpox epidemics don't happen. I would like to keep it that way. I think it's safe to say vaccines are way more helpful than harmful; not just for my nephew but for global health in general.
Posted by rockshrine on June 10, 2011 at 8:23 PM · Report this
Bonefish 39
*posts about how this is a stupid thing to post about*

*completely misses the irony*

Posted by Bonefish http://5bmisc.blogspot.com/ on June 11, 2011 at 12:19 AM · Report this
lyllyth 40
I object (!)
to the term hippies being used in this article; it would be better titled:

"Stupid Fucking Anti-Vaccine Morons", or,
"Stupid Fucking Anti-Vaccine Asshats", or,
"Stupid Fucking Anti-Vaccine Selfish Bastards"

or really, anything but "hippies".

Because then in some other article, you'll be promoting green space or public gardens and farmers markets with oh-so-local-and-organic foods, or perhaps the joys of commuting by bicycle.

And if that good, socially responsible stuff isn't based in hippie-dom, I'm not sure what is.

So FUCK YOU for using the term hippie. I'm proud to be a tree-hugging fool. Besides, trees can't get away when you try to hug them.

And yes, my kids have all their vaccinations. ;P

It is stupid to not protect your children and others from preventable disease. It is selfish not to do so. But it doesn't automatically make you a hippie, it automatically makes you an asshole.

OTOH? There is an argument to be made for what we're doing to the fitness of our genome by using all of the immuno-modifications we use, including vaccines and antibiotics, and other medications...but that's for another philosophical discussion. And since immunization is the socially accepted way of NOT LETTING YOUR KIDS DIE FROM HORRIBLE PREVENTABLE DISEASES...anyone who doesn't, better come up with something better, or quit being stupid and selfish.
Posted by lyllyth on June 11, 2011 at 6:23 AM · Report this
lyllyth 41
And I do have to agree with the points made about FDA/BigPharma collusions to scare the shit out of the public and rake in the $dough$. I don't like them or trust them, but I'm not sure how else my 5 year-old could be spared mumps.

Posted by lyllyth on June 11, 2011 at 6:38 AM · Report this
lyllyth 42
Final Thought: You could also use an accurate photo, that's not a vaccination needle and syringe, it's for *insulin*, you twitty twat. Or maybe a TB test. But that's not a vaccine system.
Posted by lyllyth on June 11, 2011 at 6:42 AM · Report this
The Wretched Harmony 43
The blanket "hippie" label is getting a little old. The world has changed, and unlike 30 or 40 years ago, not everybody who lives outside the mainstream in some way is a "hippie". The religious right shares a lot of extreme hippie views about conventional medicine, processed food, and technology in general. To make it even more complicated, another significant kind of paranoid worldview is urban and highly technical, even techno-utopian, easy marks for both 9/11 conspiracy theories and anti-vaccine conspiracy theories.

It's not really wrong to label anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists "hippies". It's just limited, and dated, and it misses the boat on a lot of social trends that are interesting, and worth understanding.
Posted by The Wretched Harmony on June 11, 2011 at 9:33 AM · Report this
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Here's what I find hilarious about the Big Pharma conspiracy people. It used to be that Big Pharma was making treatments instead of cures because treatments are for life and cure are a one shot deal and not profitable! Now the Big Pharma conspiracy is that vaccines - a one shot cure - make big money and thats why Big Pharma makes them!

Pick one. You can't have both.

And even if someone is making big money off of something, it doesn't mean it's bad for you. Raise your hand, stupid hippies, if you buy organic at Whole Foods every week. Put that local grown apple down, buddy. Someone made a huge profit off of it!
Posted by KyleM on June 11, 2011 at 9:47 AM · Report this
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@ #44, KyleM,

As usual, you miss the obvious, which is evidently too simplistically complex for your ever more simpler brain.

It's about monopoly, lowbrow!

It's about the privatization of everything, which equates to the monopolization of everything.

They who create the cancer (as an example, but it transfers to just about everything), are the same ones who sell you the cure for the cancer.

They who create the problem, then sell you the solution.

It's referred to as the Company Store Construct, and it's been going on for several centuries in the US, longer throughout the world, and it's something that you twat-brains are always sleeping through and falling for.

Arithmetic and math always posed problems for you, didn't they???

Percentages really through you, I'll wager.
Posted by sgt_doom on June 11, 2011 at 4:17 PM · Report this
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Hey there, KyleMoron,

Any idea as to who owns the principal pharmaceutical corporations?

Who owns the top five banks?

Who owns the top four oil companies?

Who owns the top ten weapons makers?

Who owns AT&T?

Who Samuel Calvin Tate Dodd was?

Where Christopher Dodd's wifey works?

Where Mark Patterson, Treasury Secretary Geithner's chief of staff came from?

And where Barney Frank's former staffer went to?

And by any chance do you know where your genitals are located?
Posted by sgt_doom on June 11, 2011 at 4:21 PM · Report this
bakum 47
Whatever you think of big pharma, measles/mumps/rubella/etc KILLS CHILDREN IN DROVES. Big bunches of dead kids that we don't have anymore because of vaccines.. Just try to remember that because it's really freaking important.
Posted by bakum on June 11, 2011 at 8:37 PM · Report this
snoopy 48
wow! Is that what vaccination spawns? Reading that drivel is enough to change one's mind against vaccinating...

Or is spouting such moronic phrases as "stupid fucking hippies" supposed to come off as some sort of hipster badge of honor?

Holy crap, Stranger, are you recruiting your writers right out of high school now?
Posted by snoopy on June 12, 2011 at 12:54 AM · Report this
49
The truly frightening aspect of many of these comments is the lack of scientific literacy. Truly frightening.
Posted by eroticawriter on June 12, 2011 at 5:11 AM · Report this
Fred Casely 50
@20:

Why would Nancy Brinker, founder of this marketing organization known as the Susan G. Komen Foundation (although it keeps going through name changes), be believed, given her record???


Please let those name changes continue so that my irrational annoyance at every encounter with "Susan G. Komen for the Cure" can end.
Posted by Fred Casely on June 12, 2011 at 8:58 AM · Report this
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@8 - Most pediatric vaccines have been around for decades and are beyond safe; there just isn't any real SCIENTIFIC data to support an argument otherwise. Are there risks? Yes but thinking goes that the risks of the vaccines outweigh the risks of NOT getting them. @49 - Liberal hippie shitheads don't care about stuff like "science" as it it takes too much time to put the bong and obumma signs down and educate themselves. It's easier to jump on a bandwagon of fools armed with words from...Jenny McCarthy...that's who they are listening to now! Lastly, thanks for pointing out that Seattle skews the stats. Outside of Yakima with their wonderful population of illegals, Seattle wins the blue ribbon for largest numbers of soft-brained liberal douche bags. And lastly, anybody posting who doesn't have kids can go fuck themselves - no parent gives a shit about your opinions.
Posted by LiberalMoronIsRedundant on June 12, 2011 at 10:41 AM · Report this
Puty 52
Right on, Goldy. Great headline too.
Posted by Puty on June 12, 2011 at 11:08 AM · Report this
53
Thanks for writing this, Goldy.

The Big Pharma argument just doesn't work! Sgt. Doom, you are complaining about corporate monopolies and privatization. I, myself, am also against privatization. But are you seriously telling me that you would be 100% in favour of vaccines if only they were made by government agencies instead? No, I bet you'd still be against them and you'd start grumbling about government control.

Bottom line, you don't understand that vaccines are good for humanity, and you're making excuses why we shouldn't have them. Well, we should all get vaccinated because it prevents death: ours and others'.

You're wrong that rising autism diagnoses strongly correlate with vaccinations. Not everywhere! Apparently, Japan halted its vaccine program completely in 1993 for a time. Because of this, scientists were able to study populations of children who were vaccinated, and compare them with the populations of children where no vaccines were administered. The autism rate continued to climb, even though no children in new birth years were being vaccinated at all, so there was no correlation in that case.
Posted by MichelleZB on June 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM · Report this
slade 54
Autism is a developmental disorder that appears in the first 3 years of life, and affects the brain's normal development of social and communication skills.

Many parents are worried that some vaccines are not safe and may harm their baby or young child. They may ask their doctor or nurse to wait, or even refuse to have the vaccine. However, it is important to also think about the risks of not having the vaccination.

The truth is our water supply has so many chemicals in it that frogs are evolving into oddity's as well is everything else?

If you cant even guarantee a clean water supply then your twisting at the end of a rope to start.

Have those vaccinations been tested on animals?
if so for how long? just how bad and evil is this sickness that you want to go and poke a needle into every single child in America and the world?

As the world is made more toxic by humans do humans need to introduce humans to more toxins to make humans more resistant to toxins?
Posted by slade http://www.youtube.com/user/guppygator on June 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM · Report this
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I find it sad that my own children--who are still vulnerable to any respiratory illness even if they get vaccinated--are at risk of contracting deadly or serious illnesses just because other people are too selfish to vaccinate their own children. If people are really worried about the vaccine schedule, they can always delay some of the shots rather than refusing them altogether. Otherwise, their actions are basically saying that they want little premature babies and cancer-compromised kids to contract deadly illnesses. What kind of jerk does it take to treat other people that way?

Maybe it's worth looking into what it was like for kids to get polio, once upon a time, or measles. Maybe it's worth looking into what it would be like for you, as an adult, to contract some of the previously-rare childhood illnesses that you're helping destroy immunity for today.
Posted by Suzy on June 12, 2011 at 2:51 PM · Report this
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@47 - droves? Vaccines kill children in droves? Please show me your statistics from a source more reliable than a B-list actress.

How old are you? Do you remember iron lungs? People on crutches after polio? Do you remember pregnant mothers worried about their unborn babies when an older child contracted mumps or rubella? I remember all of that and I hate that the young parents of today make uninformed and unsafe choices based on junk science and the word of a "celebrity".

The true droves are the people who died from the infectious diseases that you have been protected from.

Measles, so contagious that 80-90% of people without immunity who are exposed will catch it, can be fatal in up to 25% of cases - particularly in those with compromised immune systems like newborns. Smallpox killed nearly a half a million Europeans a year in the 18th century.

Pertussis, even in the days of modern medical care and kills about 1% of newborns who contract it and it's on the rise.

Everything in life has risks. You have the right, in this wonderful country of ours, to choose whether to have your child vaccinated. Unfortunately, you are endangering other people's children and grandchildren who are too young to be immunized when you make this choice.

I chose to have my children vaccinated and they, informed enough to read valid statistical data, made the decision to have their children vaccinated.

Posted by eroticawriter on June 12, 2011 at 3:46 PM · Report this
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I wonder what would be your comments if an anti-vaccine writer had posted an article with "Stupid Fucking Pro-Vaccine Zombies"?
But it happens that anti-vaccine views are held by people who are way too educated, well-read and intelligent to express themselves in this way.
At least there is an internal coherency between the title and the Mississippi argument. So we should follow the example of the people with the worst health, education and socio-economic level, instead of the people who are more learned and did better in life in general?
Well, well..
If only more people would use their own brains, get informed, and just do the math. You may not be knowledgeable enough to understand all the medical facts and terminology, or to analyze statistics - but you can at least look at the populations defining both trends. Who do you trust more?
Posted by Alice Sokolowski on June 12, 2011 at 4:23 PM · Report this
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#53, MichelleZB,

Let's examine your major criticisms, if you please.

Firstly, you state:

"Bottom line, you don't understand that vaccines are good for humanity, and you're making excuses why we shouldn't have them."

Au contraire, I am all for vaccines, but I am first for the scientifically accurate dispensing of sterilely manufactured vaccines.

Perhaps you, along with a sizable number of the commenters here, are unaware of that PBS special a few years ago where they reported on the manufacture of vaccines to subcontracted Chinese independent makers -- who mixed it in their nonsterile home bathtubs!!!!!!!!!!!

Secondly, you claim:

"You're wrong that rising autism diagnoses strongly correlate with vaccinations.."

You misstate what I said, so please go back and reread what I stated.

I stated that there was a strong correlation between the number or amount of vaccinations children received before the age of two and the increase in autism.

Granted, autism most frequently manifests at that age, but the increase has occurred concurrently with the dramatic increase in THE NUMBER of vaccinations -- that is, a dramatically greater number of vaccinations than ever before -- in children under the age of two.

Such that, if that chemical which has been introduced (thimerosal) with the rise of the number of vaccinations, deserves much, much more study.

I hope that clears it up for you and that in the future your reading comprehension improves.
Posted by sgt_doom on June 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM · Report this
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@ Sgt Doom, in response to this particular comment "Such that, if that chemical which has been introduced (thimerosal) with the rise of the number of vaccinations, deserves much, much more study."

This is in fact being done. Indeed in a 2008 study by Schechter and Grether published in the Archives of General Psychiatry, looked at the prevalence in autism in California for the years of 1995-2007. A close look at the years before and after thimerosal was phased out shows NO CHANGE. (This result agrees with a 2003 study of Danish children, Madsen et al., in fact this study showed that prevalence continued to increase) Therefore, if there is no change to pre and post thimerosal then thimerosal cannot be causal.

And a more general comment I believe we could all keep in mind is that correlation does not equal causation!
Posted by LadyLobo on June 12, 2011 at 8:35 PM · Report this
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Penn & Teller did a great visualization of the relative risk of vaccinating vs. not. Can't post links, but Googling "penn teller vaccination" brought it up right away for me.
Posted by 14thblackbird on June 13, 2011 at 12:08 AM · Report this
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I found the mixed bag of comments here interesting. I don't want to be patronizing, but as someone who grew up in a third world country I think we Americans have the luxury of debating whether we should practice vaccination. Most of us haven't seen children with polio limping down the street, so we can focus the possible consequences of getting vaccines instead of the horrific consequences of a preventable disease spreading from child to child,leaving a trail of corpses. Maybe it will take a real epidemic to spread across the U.S. before people are again convinced of the need for everyone to be vaccinated. Heartless as it may sound, even if there was a proven causal pathway between vaccines and autism, were less than 5% of the vaccinated get autism, wouldn't that be better than 20% or more of the population dying every time there was an outbreak preventable by vaccination?
Posted by aphil on June 13, 2011 at 12:11 AM · Report this
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The comments here make me depressed. Seriously, how can people be THIS willfully stupid?
Posted by puddles on June 13, 2011 at 12:49 AM · Report this
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http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/hea…
Posted by Most educated, least vaccinated. on June 13, 2011 at 9:07 AM · Report this
Bonefish 64
Just don't argue with Sgt. Doom; he's not even really talking about vaccines anymore. Here's how an argument with him goes:

Normal Person: "The rise in reported autism correlates with a huge number of things other than vaccines, which is why it's foolish to just cling onto this one correlation and assume causation. Big Pharma is shitty and needs far more regulation, but the studies on vaccine safety are more relevant than Pfizer's reputation."

Sgt Doom: "Hey dipshit! Ever hear of a little company called MONSANTO?????????????? Those assholes are KILLING legitimate soybean farmers with lawsuits while growing GMO soy!!!!!!!!!! And don't even get me started on Chevron dumping cancerous oil all over those Ecuadorian natives! Or how about mountaintop removal mining? That shit fucks up ENTIRE FORESTS and poisons ENTIRE TOWNS and they use lousy intimidation tactics on detractors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And here you're trying to tell me that vaccines aren't linked to Autism? Nice tryyyyyyyy!"
Posted by Bonefish http://5bmisc.blogspot.com/ on June 13, 2011 at 9:47 AM · Report this
Lissa 65
I like to think of Sgt doom and Seattleblues as a little salt and pepper set of wingnuttery. And Bonefish, that was lovely.
Posted by Lissa on June 13, 2011 at 10:19 AM · Report this
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@ 59 (@61, @64, etc.), LadyLobo, aphil, Bonefish, etc. -- and to ALL of you, please read to bottom for comments by chief researcher on HPV vaccine, on HPV vaccine!,

"This result agrees with a 2003 study of Danish children, Madsen et al., in fact this study showed that prevalence continued to increase..."

That Danish study was invalidated, and the chief researcher has fled the country with an unspecified amount of stolen cash on his person.

Also, that was supposed to have been an "independent study" -- later turned out to have been financed by American pharmaceutical corporations.

@61, aphil,
"Most of us haven't seen children with polio limping down the street..."

Speak for yourself, kiddo, I grew up with them and narrowly escaped such horrid misfortune myself.

Again, and again, too many of you commenters are promoting pseudo-science and anti-science and not REAL SCIENCE, which consists of proof, and proven body of facts and knowledge, not corporate sleazoid-sponsored misinformation and disinformation to create profit for themselves, while maiming, and killing others.

@64, Bonefish,

"Hey dipshit! Ever hear of a little company called MONSANTO.."

Indeed I do, and I also know that the company with the controlling interest in Monsanto, is a super-sized hedge fund overseeing those TARP bailout funds, Blackrock, which originated within the world's largest private bankster, the Blackstone Group.

Blackrock, in turn, (also has controlling interest in a little oil company called BP, fyi, fella) is owned, through Merrill Lynch, by a little bankster by name of Bank of America.

And guess who owns those pharmaceuticals, douchebagger?????

Yup, it's those neoserfs like Bonefish, who seek to go off on tangents, and never went the other serfs to realize who and what is in control of their lives.

Now, if Bonefish believes that the biopharmaceutical corporations are the only pristine corporations out there, in light of their history of known mass-murder, then I can't really help his/her insanity.

Choosing to ignore the overwhelming facts is proof postive in and of itself.

HPV Vaccine data:

http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/10/2…

Dr. Diane Harper, lead researcher in the development of two human papilloma virus vaccines, Gardasil and Cervarix, said the controversial drugs will do little to reduce cervical cancer rates and, even though they’re being recommended for girls as young as nine, there have been no efficacy trials in children under the age of 15.

Dr. Harper, director of the Gynecologic Cancer Prevention Research Group at the University of Missouri, made these remarks during an address at the 4th International Public Conference on Vaccination which took place in Reston, Virginia on Oct. 2-4. Although her talk was intended to promote the vaccine, participants said they came away convinced the vaccine should not be received.

“I came away from the talk with the perception that the risk of adverse side effects is so much greater than the risk of cervical cancer, I couldn’t help but question why we need the vaccine at all,” said Joan Robinson, Assistant Editor at the Population Research Institute.

Dr. Harper began her remarks by explaining that 70 percent of all HPV infections resolve themselves without treatment within a year. Within two years, the number climbs to 90 percent. Of the remaining 10 percent of HPV infections, only half will develop into cervical cancer, which .......

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Posted by sgt_doom on June 13, 2011 at 10:31 AM · Report this
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@61, aphil, secondary response to her comments,

"Maybe it will take a real epidemic to spread across the U.S. before people are again convinced of the need for everyone to be vaccinated."

You evidently don't know much of American vaccination history, kiddo.

We experienced that "swine flu pandemic" in the mid '70s, when Gerald Ford had taxpayer funds diverted to his biopharmaceutical buddies' corporations, (that would include one Donald Rumsfeld, ever heard of him????).

We recently experienced that "avian flu pandemic" when again taxpayer funds were diverted to biopharmaceutical buddies of the administration.

Weird how we managed to survive them.....all except for those poor souls were were either crippled or killed by vaccination side effects.

Ever heard of Guillain-Barre syndrome?????
Posted by sgt_doom on June 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM · Report this
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@54:
"As the world is made more toxic by humans do humans need to introduce humans to more toxins to make humans more resistant to toxins?"
If this is a reference to vaccines, well, then, you don't know how vaccines work. They have nothing to do with toxins. They are a way of "showing" your immune system a pathogen so it will "remember" that pathogen the next time you encounter it and fight it off so that you don't get "sick" with it. You only get the outward manifestation of the illness the first time you're infected with a particular pathogen; vaccination is a way of bypassing the getting sick part but still getting immunity from it. So it doesn't have anything to do with toxins.
If that's not what you meant, well then, can't help ya, because what you said doesn't make sense.
Posted by science chick on June 13, 2011 at 12:16 PM · Report this
balderdash 69
Wow, the dipshits are really coming out of the woodwork here.

re: vaccinations and Mississippi: LOOK, A CORRELATION! WE'D BETTER TAKE THIS TO DR. JENNY MCCARTHY FOR CONFIRMATION THAT IT'S CAUSAL!

re: corporate conspiracies and shadowy government poisonings: the idea that because you don't like Pfizer they could never in a million years do even one thing that benefits the entire population of the world even though they only make a modest profit off of it is so incredibly infantile it barely rates refutation. Protip: corporate executives are cold professionals, not Snidely Whiplash.

Look, you fucking prima-donna new age yuppie assholes, you go to West Africa for a while and watch some children die of measles, then go to India and check out some kids who were paralyzed by polio, and then you come back here and moan some more about how evil "needles" and "toxins" are.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on June 13, 2011 at 5:52 PM · Report this
balderdash 70
Oh, yeah... retroactive FLAME ON warning.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on June 13, 2011 at 7:07 PM · Report this
Bonefish 71
See what I mean? This guy glosses over the parts where I spell out the reasons that I myself hate Big Pharma and concludes that I must be a Big Pharma loyalist. Then he shows an article about how one specific new vaccine may be effective but may not, and this is his giant proof that vaccination is an entirely useless technology.

Hey sarge, do you take herbal supplements? You shouldn't, because some of those are in a form called "pills," and I hear that [Corrupt Company X] once made a medicine that had deadly side effects, and guess what: it was a PILL! So never, ever, ever take any medication in this dubious "pill" form.

Oh, also, don't use fresh herbs either. Many of them are these things called "plants," and I've read all sorts of outdoor survival guides that told me that HUNDREDS of "plants" are deadly poisonous! Anybody recommending "plant" consumption for medical or dietary health reasons is clearly just trying to make a buck off of your death.

And did you know how many people die in car accidents? Cars largely use "wheels" to move, so anything with "wheels"-- tricycles, wheel barrows, grocery carts, etc-- needs to be avoided at all costs. Also, Henry Ford was an anti-Semitic douche bag, so clearly cars (as a technology)do nothing but hurt Jews all day long.

Now that I've been convinced that vaccines are poison (Donald Trump's low character is all the proof I needed), I can't help but wonder how Smallpox got wiped out, and why Polio is only prevalent in countries where people have little to no access to its VACCINE? Maybe some unsung new age magicians that just fucking hate Africa? Any thoughts, sarge?
Posted by Bonefish http://5bmisc.blogspot.com/ on June 13, 2011 at 9:30 PM · Report this
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Okay. Here's my deal. I get small pox and expose every one. Now see how fast they'll get to the nearest puplic health clinic. I remember the horrors of preventable diseases.
Posted by Hippy Nerd on June 14, 2011 at 1:56 AM · Report this
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@ 71, Bonefish --- + 69, Balderdash,

"This guy glosses over the parts where I spell out the reasons that I myself hate Big Pharma and concludes that I must be a Big Pharma loyalist."

Wrongo, Mr. Misconception Dood, I was taking the opportunity to financially connect the predators.

To balderdash: Again, and again, you mix together what has been said about specific corporations and their abuse of good will and conscience on the part of others with science.

Negative, many of us here aren't against science nor vaccination, and recognize the positive attributes of it, but are most definitely against the commercial abuse to make profit from the maiming and deaths of others, solely for their economic gain.

I (and I believe I speak for many other commenters here) am all for the righteous vaccination of others in the pursuit of health, simply against subcontracting out -- to make a quick buck -- to nonsterile or asterile individuals which compromises the efficacy of the vaccine process.

So too, I am against simply changing a molecule here or there in a vaccine or pharmaceutical formula in order to move it past the FDA for more quick profit, while it proves deleterious to the target population.

I would urge both the scientifically unread, specifically Bonefish and balderdash, to read any number of articles published over the past year, two years, and ten years regarding the money -- bribes -- doctors have received from Big Pharma to push their non-efficacious -- and frequently harmful -- drugs onto the unsuspecting populations -- whether in America -- or foreign countries.

That is your homework assignment -- now get to it!!!!

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Posted by sgt_doom on June 14, 2011 at 11:11 AM · Report this
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All of the vaccine bashers up there in WA sound an awful lot like the Followers of Christ Church down here. http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2… The adult members (supports in this photo) wear glasses, but refuse to take their kids to the Dr. for an eye infection. I would guess that the majority of you who bemoan vaccines are indeed vaccinated.
Posted by MrsB. on June 14, 2011 at 11:57 AM · Report this
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And regarding the "Mississippi" argument. Of course they are the most vaccinated, if you got all of your health care for free from a community clinic staffed by nurses and Doctors you would probably trust their advice to vaccinate your children too.
Posted by MrsB. on June 14, 2011 at 12:29 PM · Report this
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@74, I think you may be confusing journalism and scientific literature, which is not surprising given your clear confusion of propaganda and politics with empirical data.

And while I think the irony of you calling me "scientifically unread" will be completely lost on you, rest assured I am appreciating it for you from the comfort of my position here within the wheels of the conspiracy, aka a medical genetics lab at the UW.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on June 14, 2011 at 1:03 PM · Report this
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I know that you can secretly baptize a person with just a little water and the right utterance. Canon law doesn't require permission. This often happens with religious grandparents who will secretly baptize their atheist kids' kids.

It's a shame we can't do the same with vaccination. Stupid fucking hippies.
Posted by foob on June 14, 2011 at 2:22 PM · Report this
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Formaldehyde, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue, aluminum hydroxide, continuous line of monkey kidney cells, mouse serum proteins, polysorbate 80 (Tween-80), thimerosal (mercury), ammonium sulfate, vesicle fluid from calf skins, residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and proteins, bovine serum, rhesus monkey fetal lung cells, monosodium glutamate (MSG), aspartame, phenol, polydimethylsiloxane (silicone), guinea pig embryo cells, albumin from human blood, 2-phenoxyethenol. Mmmm, yummy. A few common ingredients in the vaccines you all are so eager to shoot your kids up with. Why would I go to pains to grow and eat real food, avoid toxic home and body care products including pharmaceutical drugs but put these sorts of toxins into my precious new human being? Did you know that our government has a special agency devoted to compensating parents of vaccine-injured children? Between fiscal years 1989 and 2011, over $2 billion was awarded to families for vaccine injuries, including autism. Shooting our children with so many dangerous and toxic substances at such a young age--ANY age--does not strike me as being very loving. There is abundant and easily researchable information available to make informed choices. I have educated my children from early on that because they are partially and unvaccinated, there are precautions and health issues they need to be aware of, and I've taught them how to protect themselves and others in case of outbreaks. My unvaccinated child stepped on a rusty nail in my absence and did not tell me till much later. When I asked what he did for it, he replied, "I did exactly what you taught me to do!" Flush, peroxide, flush, peroxide, goldenseal and later, comfrey. Taking a look at the connections between our increasingly polluted and toxic world and epidemic proportions of childhood illnesses, including cancers, obesity, respiratory illness, autism and other developmental syndromes is not just a smart thing to do, but our progeny's future--or lack of it--may depend on just that. I for one, refuse to follow the herd mentality that has been promulgated on the population. And I take responsibility for my own health. Doc-caused death is now the fourth leading cause in our country.
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Posted by Spidieweed on June 15, 2011 at 12:55 AM · Report this
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After my first child had severe reactions to his first vaccines (fevers >103, high pitched screaming for more than 2 days, lethargic and refusing to eat) we decided to delay them in our other children,starting them at 2yrs instead of birth, and opted out of the hep b until they were older, ie sexually active. Thank goodness my state (PA) has exemptions that allowed us to do so. We do one shot per visit to make sure that if there is going to be a reaction we will know which one is the culprit.
I do not agree with not vaxing at all, but I do support a parent's right to decided which ones their children get and when. Without medical and/or philosophical/religious exemptions I suspect the number of severe reactions would be much higher. The CDC doesn't compensate for vaccine-related injuries for no reason.
Posted by sunmountain on June 15, 2011 at 7:54 AM · Report this
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I'm sure just like everything else it's much more complex than it is presented.
I really hate when people oversimplify things and say ignorant things meant to be intentionally hurtful.This happens all over the place all the time and this is obviously no exception. Vaccines do work and they have been around for a long time. Ben Franklin writes about this very issue in his autobiography (whether or not to trust vaccines has always been a controversial issue). So don't blame it on Jenny Mccarthy. Just use good sense, and don't expect everyone else to take the same precautions you think you should.
Posted by Sunnybunny1269 on June 15, 2011 at 11:10 AM · Report this
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"Mississippi's high vaccine rate (99.7%) might be dangerous/bad."
Ok. first of all, vaccine rates are not the corollary you're looking for to the reasons that Mississippi has high rates of obesity, diabetes, teen pregnancy, high blood pressure, and lower education scores. Some of the reasons for this include, but are not limited to:
Mississippi is extremely rural, therefore people tend to drive more, and walk less. Also, it's hot, really, you can't understand it without being there hot for most of 7 months of the year, which, again, leads to people driving instead of walking. Even in the more tightly packed urban areas, the public transportation is abysmal, and sidewalks rarely exist outside of older neighborhoods.
It is also poor. For the most part. Really, crushingly poor. And the rich people who are there tend to use their power to do things that further disenfranchise the poor. This creates several problems. No teachers want to come to the Mississippi Delta to teach in the schools there, so they end up with whatever they can get. There isn't really any money to pay them well, or even to a standard that the rest of the country would find acceptable, hence, it's hard to get teachers to come in, even when we get the teachers, there simply isn't any money being put into the schools. School funding here (and other places, I know) comes from property taxes within a certain district, meaning the haves and have-nots are pretty starkly divided. Also, when you have this kind of poverty, you look at a lot of people using government assistance to get by, leading to them buying more processed food because it lasts longer and has more calories, so may be more filling.
Also, you have a huge church influence, especially in the African-American community, which leads to more young people keeping their sexual experimentation a secret, and young girls feeling pressured into keeping the baby if they do become pregnant.
Churches also have a bit to do with the obesity aspect, because church is a very important part of the culture (Black and white) in most of the South. Things like fish fries and cookouts reinforce the Southern food traditions. Food and family are very closely intertwined, and the kinds of food that have been passed down and have not just nutritional, but also emotional value are not exactly artery friendly.
The idea is that we are trying to totally rework decades and generations of how people think about and cook food. It has not been easy, and it will not be easy, but slowly, people are starting change a little.
YES. For anyone about to say this, most of these things are about personal choice, and what we have to do is make people here see that they need to make the healthier choices, not just for themselves, but for their children and the future. It is not easy, and there are a lot of people down here who are working to make a change, not just in people's health, but in their access to education and access to making better sexual choices (and not the abstinence-only folks either-ugh).
So, yes, things down here can get ridiculous, and there are things to be made fun of, but if you want to help, you can, or you can just sit there and laugh. That's ok too, I guess, we're used to it.
We can hope to educate people to make Mississippi a healthier place, but at least most of us won't die of measles, mumps or whooping cough while we do it.
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Posted by divine_miss_em on June 15, 2011 at 1:16 PM · Report this
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I have a BA in chemistry, an MS in biology, worked for a year at a public health lab on a CDC fellowship, two years doing medical research at the Seattle Children's Hospital, and am in my third year of a PhD program in bacteriology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. I do not do any vaccine work, but many of my friends do such research.

I see the debate over vaccines as being a collision of immediate and long-term fears. There is the immediate fear of a vaccine causing a medical condition - and vaccines can do this, but only very rarely. There is the long-term fear of an epidemic - and years can pass, sometimes even generations, between epidemics (at least in the USA). I think that people are in general equating the long-term fears with "impossible scenarios" and that worries me, because it means that when an epidemic does occur it will involve a much greater loss of life than otherwise.

Yes, vaccines are made by big companies, and yes, vaccines make money for those companies. They also keep people from dying of preventable diseases, and the science behind how they work is not particularly difficult to understand at a basic level. If you are worried about what is in a vaccine, then look up the ingredients and spend the time with a scientific reference (not "the internet", which has only shaky scientific information at best) to understand what each component is, and why it is in there.

Please take the time to read about vaccines in scientific journals, or the CDC. They make no money from what they do, and are not a part of any pharmaceutical company. It is your right to make a decision, but make it an informed decision of the risks involved.
Posted by KelseaJewell on June 15, 2011 at 2:38 PM · Report this
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@kelseaJewell: thanks for your sane comment.

Everyone else: you up to date on the controversies surrounding Gardasil, the HPV vaccine they're pushing on your daughters, and now your sons? The risks of cancer, paralysis, other permanent damage and death are well documented, originally denied by the CDC. The National Vaccine Information Center has an outstanding compilation of the stories, the press, and denials, the evidence about Gardasil on their website. Please check it out, if you're interested in 'the other side' of the intense propaganda surrounding vaccines. Or just look at the product circular and its list of post-approval reactions. You do read the circulars each time you shoot up, don't you? Note that contrary to what I've seen espoused in these forums, the mechanisms for immunity by vaccine are NOT fully understood, as is stated quite clearly in the Gardasil vaccine circular. That's the immunologists responsible for designing these moneymakers speaking for themselves.
Posted by Spidieweed on June 15, 2011 at 6:07 PM · Report this
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I really am amazed at all the people here in Washington State who are against vaccines!
What about immunizations for school-aged children, who are the most contagious of spreading illnesses (i.e: intestinal flu, chicken pox, colds, etc.)?
What about the elderly in hospitals and nursing homes who also have weak immune systems? Don't these fearmongering naysayers care about avoiding unnecessary illness?

Personally, if I don't get around to having a flu shot every October / November, you don't want to get within 50 miles of me if I get sick!

Kudos, KelseaJewell, for a well-written and informative post!
Posted by auntie grizelda on June 15, 2011 at 9:55 PM · Report this
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Maybe it's not a question of vaccines being effective but an overreaction / fear of the disease hey are supposed to prevent.

Between 1987 and 2000, the case fatality rate across the United States was three measles-attributable deaths per 1000 cases, or 0.3%

The mortality rate for the average yearly flu we deal with is .1%

The mortality rate from mumps is reported as 1.6% (160 in 10000 cases) according to Medscape.

The rate of encephalitis in mumps is about 3 per 1000 cases.

Yeah, yeah mumps and rubella are bad for adult males and females but at that point isn't it up to the adults to keep up with their shots if they are so concerned. And those kids who are exposed because their immune systems are compromised, what percent of the population do they represent and how does it compare to the percent that even the CDC would admit to suffering from adverse effects of immunizations? Shit Goldy why so one sided? What were your parents hippies or something?

Posted by GoodnGodless on June 15, 2011 at 11:34 PM · Report this
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Not sure if this is mentioned, but it's easy to opt out when you benefit from those around you who opt-in. If you non-vax, please thank a vax family since they're keeping your kid healthier.
Posted by vinwhy on June 16, 2011 at 9:10 AM · Report this
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Exactly!
Posted by I agree! Effing anti-vaccine dorks. on June 16, 2011 at 1:13 PM · Report this
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@86, I think you're missing the point that those mortality rates are so low...because we vaccinate and have herd immunity.

I think it's more relevant to consider what it was like before vaccinations. A quick Google search finds a NY Times article, for example, about WHO's efforts to reduce measles in Africa. Deaths have been reduced due to vaccinations from 396,000 deaths in 2000 to 36,000 in 2006. That's a huge number of deaths. The Wikipedia measles page describes how quickly outbreaks can happen in unvaccinated communities.

And that's just measles. And that's just deaths. My father contracted measles as an adult and permanently lost some of his hearing. I took a class with a woman who contracted polio just before the vaccine came out, and has had to wear a brace since she was a child. The human misery caused by these preventable illnesses used to be staggering. We are fortunate in the U.S. that it's no longer that way, but I hate to see people being so complacent. The next case of measles--or whatever--is just one plane ride away. And in my community, anyway, it's the people with enough money to send their kids to Waldorf schools who don't vaccinate--the same ones who have the money to hop on airplanes.
Posted by sfgurl on June 16, 2011 at 1:42 PM · Report this
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I used to work for a doctor who was recovering autistic (vaccine injured) children bio-medically. These kids were literally TOXIC ... high levels of mercury, lead, aluminum. Her theory was that these kids were victims of a vaccine injury. This something I saw this first hand and it was really enough proof and evidence for me. It was also when I started researching this independently. A vaccine can ALWAYS be done, but it can never be undone. Hind sight always seems to be 20/20 for the parents of a child with a vaccine injury.

If YOU haven't taken the time and researched this issue personally - how can you really argue any point? The mainstream media and the CDC have done a great job of blaming EVERYTHING ELSE for whats happening. Parents of vaccine injured children and thousands of medical professionals world wide ARE speaking out about this.
Think for yourself! ask questions, draw your own conclusions. Why blindly accept what the govt is telling us - more like forcing upon us? Look at these poor girls injured from the gardisil vaccine! Vaccines have other species dna in them.. rat, monkey, bird tissues.
would you want this injected directly into your blood stream?

This hippy pays attention, fuck you very much.
Posted by notAsheep on June 16, 2011 at 7:30 PM · Report this
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http://gdsajj.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/t…

If you are a believer of the effectiveness of vaccines then you should have no concern of the unvaccinated. Get over the stupid fear already....the unvaccinated are not getting you sick
Posted by novax4us on June 16, 2011 at 8:33 PM · Report this
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@90: Ever eat chicken after dental work? I bet you've had bird DNA injected directly into your bloodstream too. As for me, I'm a vegetarian. I just finished a delicious home-made spring vegetable tajine, and I have a canker sore... uh-oh! I might wake up tomorrow half human, half turnip!

In short: Do you actually know what DNA is and how this thing called "biology" works?

Posted by jeccat on June 16, 2011 at 8:55 PM · Report this
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to anyone saying the vaccines have been "proven to be safe"...the supreme court of the united states has deemed vaccines to be UNAVOIDABLY UNSAFE in an official ruling.
i can't believe how many people just line up and allow their kids to be pumped full of all these toxins and actually believe that it's safe. most of your doctors don't know anything more about vaccines than you do. and if you think the fda or cdc is going to protect you, YOU'RE WRONG. they don't care about you or your children...they only care about the funding they receive from pHARMa! btw, run right out and get dr. paul offit's (dr. all profit, as i like to call him)rotavirus vaccine...it's the vaccine for diarrhea. it causes bowels to fold over and kill babies--but apparently saves more lives than it destroys--get in line with your baby for the dose!
Posted by no kool-aid for me on June 16, 2011 at 9:54 PM · Report this
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93: "the supreme court of the united states has deemed vaccines to be UNAVOIDABLY UNSAFE in an official ruling."

http://www.petitiononline.com/h2o/petiti…

This petition is for the complete ban of Dihydrogen monoxide.

Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.

Dihydrogen monoxide:
- is the major component of acid rain
- contributes to the "greenhouse effect"
- it can cause severe burns in its gaseous state
- contributes to erosion
- accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals
- may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes
- has been found in tumors of terminal cancer patients

Despite the dangers, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
- as an industrial solvent and coolant.
- in nuclear power plants.
- in the production of styrofoam.
- as a fire retardant.
- in many forms of cruel animal research.
- as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal.
Posted by undead ayn rand on June 17, 2011 at 11:36 AM · Report this
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It was Rick Perry the Gov of Texas who was going to make a vaccine mandatory that started this crap? One he is an Idiot Republican who wanted to inject politics into the Vaccine field?

I have no problems with the medical field but the clown show that closely follows the medical field for exclusively for profit is a convicted killer at large? and I have been given bad drugs from good doctors who meant well?

Perscribed drugs kill more people then the illegal ones do and Napal sticks to kids?

Chemical companys like Dupont have your mind in mind.
Posted by slade http://www.youtube.com/user/guppygator on June 18, 2011 at 1:35 PM · Report this
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It's pretty fucked up that the Stranger would run such a bigoted headline to this opinion piece. From a magazine that has been trying to turn the tide of anti-gay bigotry (and succeeding very well), we get a headline that labels a group of people with different ideas and lifestyle as "stupid fucking hippies.

Well done, Stranger editors.

Now I'll add Goldy's name to Mudede's for writers that I just skip over when I read the Stranger. Mudede is only guilty of not being able to write. Goldy appears to fit the adjectives used in the headline to this pathetic story.
Posted by snockered on June 18, 2011 at 5:31 PM · Report this
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You guys ever call Seattle Weekly just to say what's up?

Posted by Stupid Fucking Anti-Vaccine Hippie on June 19, 2011 at 6:17 AM · Report this
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My daughter was given the hep-B vaccine at the hospital the day she was born, started to scream inconsolably for days and nights on end (encephalitis), and was later diagnosed with autism. On the PBS series Autism Today, Allison MacNeil's son screamed inconsolably after getting many vaccines at once, and developed autism and bowel disease. There are thousands of us who tell similar stories, which is why educated parents who love their children are refusing the vaccines in record numbers. We would much rather confront measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, even whooping cough (not dangerous in babies older than three or four months), than inflict permanent disability on our children. Your insulting terms mean nothing when the stakes are this high for our children.
Posted by cia on June 19, 2011 at 11:31 AM · Report this
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I just read a comment about measles, apparently the author doesn't remember when measles was an ordinary household word. I got measles when I was six, most of the children in my first-grade class did (spring 1963), we were sick for two weeks, then got well. At that time in the U.S., statistics show that there was one death in a thousand from complications like pneumonia or meningitis. Healthy children who stayed in bed and were well cared-for by their parents (no drugs to misguidedly reduce the fever), felt awful for a week or two, then recovered, permanent immunity, developmental strides, stronger immune system. The death rate for measles in the western world has never been 25%.
Posted by cia on June 19, 2011 at 11:42 AM · Report this
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WA exceeds the national averages for vaccination rates for school required vaccines.

96% coverage of the required vaccines for 6th graders
http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/immunize/docum…
(DPT looks low because a booster is required at age 11 and the report is filed at the beginning of the year. )

Kindergartners start school with over 95% MMR, and over 90% of the other required shots.
http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/immunize/docum…

You can't have 95 % vaccination rates and a 6.2% exemption rate- that adds up to more than 100%!

The WA exemption rate appears artificially high for 2 primary reasons:

1. "Paperwork" exemptions. Fully 1/3 or more of the exemptions (2% of the 6%) are vaccinating families who simply don't have their documentation in order at the time of school enrollment. Sympathetic school staff are incorrectly providing exemption forms to permit the children to attend school, when they should be using a "non-compliance" form. WA Health Secretary Mary Selecky recently described this phenomenon on OPB Talk Out Loud radio program.
http://www.opb.org/thinkoutloud/shows/im…
That means the true vaccination rates are even higher than documented, when you factor in the paperwork exemptors.

2. Chicken Pox- Another 1/3 of the exemption rate (2%) is due to making Chicken Pox a mandatory vaccine. Many parents do not consider Chicken Pox as important as the traditional vaccines. An exemption is needed to delay or opt out of any single dose. Therefore a WA child who is fully current on all of the regular shots still needs an exemption to delay or opt out of the Chicken Pox vaccine. Informed parents are doing the Chicken Pox separate from other vaccines as the CDC notes that getting the Chicken Pox (Varicella) vaccine in the same visit with the MMR increases the normal MMR seizure rate from 1/3500 to 1/2500, and if you use the MMRV combo the seizure rate jumps again to 1/1250. What is unscientific about cutting your childs' seizure risk by 70% if you can do it by delaying or skipping a vaccine for a disease that was once considered a routine childhood illness?
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/comb…

When you back out the paperwork exemptions and the Chicken Pox exemptions you get the same national average, a statistically insignificant 2% or so of people who have reasonable medical, religious, philosophical, or personal objections.

All vaccination public health objectives are exceeded with the 95% rates currently achieved. Any epidemic risk tipping point is long past at 95%. If 95% isn't enough to suppress epidemics then the issue isn't vaccine coverage it is vaccine efficacy.

Public Health Canada clearly states that 1/100,000 doses in all vaccine campaigns result in a serious adverse event (SAE), defined as a Hospitalization, Disability, or Death. This is why the safety question will never go away. While that may be a low individual risk rate, (although certainly more dangerous that Chicken Pox or mumps), the sheer volume of vaccines is overwhelming achievable safety factors. There are 900,000 children in WA public schools. That means each dose of vaccine in the schedule (50 or -) is causing 9 SAE's. This is the population pool of "true exemptors". There have been a scientific statistically inevitable 2 to 3 thousand legitimate SAE's in WA over the last 20 years. The 18,000 or so "true exemptors" represent the family members and friends, and others who have first hand knowledge of these injuries.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/alert-alerte/…
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Posted by BigPharmaDoubter on June 19, 2011 at 12:19 PM · Report this
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WA exceeds the national averages for vaccination rates for school required vaccines.

96% coverage of the required vaccines for 6th graders
http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/immunize/docum…
(DPT looks low because a booster is required at age 11 and the report is filed at the beginning of the year. )

Kindergartners start school with over 95% MMR, and over 90% of the other required shots.
http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/immunize/docum…

You can't have 95 % vaccination rates and a 6.2% exemption rate- that adds up to more than 100%!

The WA exemption rate appears artificially high for 2 primary reasons:

1. "Paperwork" exemptions. Fully 1/3 or more of the exemptions (2% of the 6%) are vaccinating families who simply don't have their documentation in order at the time of school enrollment. Sympathetic school staff are incorrectly providing exemption forms to permit the children to attend school, when they should be using a "non-compliance" form. WA Health Secretary Mary Selecky recently described this phenomenon on OPB Talk Out Loud radio program.
http://www.opb.org/thinkoutloud/shows/im…
That means the true vaccination rates are even higher than documented, when you factor in the paperwork exemptors.

2. Chicken Pox- Another 1/3 of the exemption rate (2%) is due to making Chicken Pox a mandatory vaccine. Many parents do not consider Chicken Pox as important as the traditional vaccines. An exemption is needed to delay or opt out of any single dose. Therefore a WA child who is fully current on all of the regular shots still needs an exemption to delay or opt out of the Chicken Pox vaccine. Informed parents are doing the Chicken Pox separate from other vaccines as the CDC notes that getting the Chicken Pox (Varicella) vaccine in the same visit with the MMR increases the normal MMR seizure rate from 1/3500 to 1/2500, and if you use the MMRV combo the seizure rate jumps again to 1/1250. What is unscientific about cutting your childs' seizure risk by 70% if you can do it by delaying or skipping a vaccine for a disease that was once considered a routine childhood illness?
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/comb…

When you back out the paperwork exemptions and the Chicken Pox exemptions you get the same national average, a statistically insignificant 2% or so of people who have reasonable medical, religious, philosophical, or personal objections.

All vaccination public health objectives are exceeded with the 95% rates currently achieved. Any epidemic risk tipping point is long past at 95%. If 95% isn't enough to suppress epidemics then the issue isn't vaccine coverage it is vaccine efficacy.

Public Health Canada clearly states that 1/100,000 doses in all vaccine campaigns result in a serious adverse event (SAE), defined as a Hospitalization, Disability, or Death. This is why the safety question will never go away. While that may be a low individual risk rate, (although certainly more dangerous that Chicken Pox or mumps), the sheer volume of vaccines is overwhelming achievable safety factors. There are 900,000 children in WA public schools. That means each dose of vaccine in the schedule (50 or -) is causing 9 SAE's. This is the population pool of "true exemptors". There have been a scientific statistically inevitable 1 to 3 thousand legitimate SAE's in WA over the last 20 years. The 18,000 or so "true exemptors" represent the family members and friends, and others who have first hand knowledge of these injuries.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/alert-alerte/…
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Posted by BigPharmaDoubter on June 19, 2011 at 12:33 PM · Report this
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Are Vaccines Magical?

It is magical thinking that there are almost no injuries caused by vaccines and the vaccination process. The safety factor promoted is completely unrealistic and could not be achieved by a placebo. Why? Because virtually all vaccines are injected, and injection is by definition an invasive medical procedure with multiple known risk factor rates greater than current vaccine safety claims.

Ask a responsible medical professional if it is possible to perform 1,000,000 insulin, Vitamin B12, or even saline injections without an injury.

http://www8.nationalacademies....

You cannot even guarantee sterility using proper procedures, as illustrated by the recent recall of contaminated Triad alcohol wipes, which the FDA didn’t correct for several years.
http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedW...

Imagine every potential failure point- manufacturing, packaging, labeling, shipping, storage, reconstitution and preparation for injection, correct injection method, proper sanitary procedures followed, etc. Project that out over the several hundred million vaccine injections given annually.
Is it really reasonable to claim that every dose administered is manufactured, labeled, etc. perfectly?

The World Health Organization doesn’t think so, that’s why they have a manual for investigating the expected, inevitable Adverse Events Following Immunization, or AEFI.

http://www.who.int/immunizatio...
http://www.who.int/vaccines-do...

In the real world all kinds of failures occur. Vaccines are some of the most complex pharmaceutical products manufactured, that require very specific handling- some have to be frozen, some refrigerated. Many have to be reconstituted with a “diluent”. It is a common mistake to mix the incorrect diluent, or even inadvertently use another medicine.

Medical mistakes are made all the time- why would vaccines be different?

http://www.meddrahelp.com/JMcM...

Dennis Quaid’s children were almost killed by a medical error at Cedars-Sinai, and we are assigning perfect safety records to vaccine administrators at Rite Aids and Walgreens? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...

How many conventional medical mistakes are being masked by the near hysterical defense of vaccine safety? Since we know that vaccines are incapable of causing harm, any and all temporally associated adverse events are coincidental?

In a “non-vaccine” medication error investigation the first thing confirmed would have been what was actually in the vial? Was it mislabeled? Did the patient receive the correct injection? Maybe the patient was injected with a syringe intended for a person in another treatment room, as can happen when the injections are prepared in a central area. (It is not a good idea to accept any injection that you do not witness the preparation of.) Next, was it manufactured properly? Contaminated or adulterated in some way? Was it properly prepared, mixed with the correct diluent and dosage ratios? Was it used within the recommended timeframe, as some products have a limited window for administration. A toxicology report could be performed to see if any common medical office medications were improperly administered.

The bottom line is that because of the foregoing, for some people the scenario, “My child was fine before the shot, and then was injured or killed”, is a true statement. And perhaps not because of what the WHO classifies as a “vaccine reaction”, but from a “programme error”. Not everyone who claims vaccine injury is mistaken or lying. Vaccines are not magically exempt from the normal natural laws of statistics and errors.

Can we really have a picture of vaccine and vaccination safety in this environment?

From the “Arizona Immunization Conference” April 28, 2011,
slide 36;
Reporting Vaccine Administration Errors
CDC currently has no mechanism for reporting vaccine administration errors
If an adverse event occurs it should be reported to VAERS
(the organization that Offit disparages in the article)
Discussions are underway to develop a reporting mechanism
Slide 38
“Rights” of Medical Patients
Right patient
Right vaccine or diluent
Right time
Includes administering at correct age, correct interval, and before vaccine/diluent expiration
Right dosage
Right route, needle length and technique
Right site
Right documentation

www.azdhs.gov/.../2011conferen... .ppt

All medical procedures involve risk. A parent must have the ultimate right in accepting that risk for their child.

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Recent evidence of vaccination administration errors:

Children At Fort Collins Clinic Need To Be Tested After Syringe Mix-Up
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/04/13/ch…

3 Myths About Safe Injection Practices- better hope your HCP is not one of these

....Premier survey conducted in May and June last year, indicating that of 5,446 provider respondents, the following engage in unsafe injection practices:

•6% sometimes or always use single-dose/single-use vials for more than one patient
•9% sometimes or always reuse a syringe but change the needle for a second patient
•15.1% reuse a syringe to enter a multidose vial
•6.5% save that vial for use on another patient.

http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/conten…
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Mississippi has the highest rate of vaccination because it is one of only two states that does not permit religous or philosophical exemptions. This is, of course, benighted on their part, and I'm sure that soon there will be a consumer rebellion.
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Well I'm glad to see my efforts in WA State more than a decade ago paid off. Good for you WA State. I became one of those fucking anti-vaccine hippies after vaccines killed my daughter. I stopped WA State from mandating Hepatitis A vaccine for school and I did workshops for the public and for chiropractors on the issue. The board of health agreed with my points about it not being necessary. I actually did research and presented it to them. But since then, many other ineffective, dangerous, and useless vaccines have been added to the ever growing schedule. My now 14 year old unvaccinated son is far healthier and advanced than any of his vaccinated peers. Yes, he lived through chickenpox and pertussis! Amazing! Thanks to whomever pointed out all of the stuff about Mississippi! Right on! WA State should not want to emulate them in any way, shape, or form. BTW, I was waist deep in this issue long before the word autism was ever uttered in the same sentence as vaccine and long before Jenny McCarthy got involved. I used my brain to find the truth after the senseless death of my daughter who exhibited most of the blatant symptoms of mercury poisoning after each vaccine/round of vaccines. Not that mercury is the only issue, far from it. And no, it has NOT been removed. I know because I had them tested. WAKE UP. Using your brain to make an informed decision and excercising your rights does not make you a hippie. Blindly following the mainstream status quo does make you a complacent moron. Enjoy, I opt not to do that and it serves me and my healthy child quite well thank you.
Posted by zerovax on June 21, 2011 at 8:14 AM · Report this
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The argument of nephews being born prematurely doesnt really constitute forcing others to get vaccinations. I'm just saying to each his own.

Personally, I worry about the immune systems of the human race. With antibiotics and flu shots being the norm these days. We are one weak civilization. Don't worry with all these precautionary steps we are taking...there will be plenty of killer vaccine/antibiotic resistant epidemics just around the corner.

Get off your soapbox's because your point will be mute eventually. Your just wasting your breath.

Posted by AdoniaT on June 21, 2011 at 9:39 AM · Report this
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I am a 74 year old WA state grandmother whose healthy grandchildren are NOT vaccinated because I and my family have WORKING BRAINS, unlike Goldy, the author of this erroneous drivel. Because my original healthy immune system was undamaged by vaccines, I lived and thrived through all of the childhood diseases (including polio) that big pHARMa has since labeled "life threatening" in order to fear monger their multi-billion-dollar industry upon an ignorant population. Autism and other neurological disorders such as ADD and ADHD were unknown; all appeared and flourished concurrently with the advent of and increase in vaccines.

If Goldy and the rest of the vaccinated/vaccinating public understood the human immune system, they would never allow themselves or anyone they loved to be jabbed with the toxic poisons purposely included in all vaccines. Big pHARMa intentionally harms whole generations of children for profit, then sells medicines to the ignorant parents to perpetually treat (not cure) the illnesses caused by their vaccines. Talk about "win,win"!

When it comes down to the wire in fighting disease, all each of us have is our personal immune system...keeping it healthy should be a right and a priority; but vaccines ALWAYS damage the immune system. Further, if vaccines actually worked, why would your children have to be vaccinated in order to protect someone else's children?!!! Think about that for a moment. Sorry, Goldy, but "herd immunity" is a ludicrous fable, invented to create more fear...and more compliance.

Children need natural challenges to their immune systems to help strengthen and develop them; for example, a child recovering from measles will put on a healthy growth spurt. As for us old folks, ever wonder why so many are losing our minds? Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, a world renown immunologist, says that 4-5 flu shots in as many subsequent years increase the odds of Alzeimers 10-fold due to the mercury and aluminum in the vaccine.

Goldy, do you realize that you are advocating getting injected with these ingredients (and even more) that are in vaccines?: Mercury: neurotoxin and second most toxic substance on earth after plutonium; Aluminum: neurotoxin; Formaldehyde: poison; Beta-propialactone: carcinogen; Phenol/phenoxyethanol: anti-freeze, disables immune system's primary response mechanism; Human and animal cells: human cells from aborted fetal tissue, pig, horse and sheep blood rabbit brain, guinea pig and monkey kidneys, etc; Glutaraldehyde: poison, causes birth defects in experimental animals; Tri(n)butylphosphate: suspected kidney and nerve poison...and the horrifying list goes on and on. Check it out.

Goldy, I recommend that you read the vaccine primer "Vaccines; Are They Really Safe and Effective?" by Neil Z. Miller, 2010 edition. Try putting some accurate information in your brain instead of poisoning it with vaccines and lies. Then apologize to all the people you have misled.

Joan M.
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Posted by Joan M. on June 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM · Report this
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@107 Joan M.: Okay....thank you for providing another insight into this debate.

I stand enlightened: vaccines can actually weaken the immune system? Perhaps it's good to proceed with caution. Either way, informed decisions are certainly best.
But do remember, though, that whether to get immunized or not varies from person to person. What may work for you might still not go so well for me.
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No, @108, she's out to lunch- don't listen to her. Vaccination is the most effective mechanism of any kind that humans have come up with, hands down; Everyone should vaccinate their kids.

You can't put comfrey on mumps. Joan M's family's health is greatly in part due to the broad and obedient use of vaccine amongst her neighbors and friends.

I understand the natural reaction to injecting medicine into a totally healthy child. It goes against the "natural" lifestyle, and is at odds with what feels right. However, a quick look at the math and the epidemiology leaves absolutely NO DOUBT as to the complete truth of my first paragraph.
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Razorclammer, you are dead wrong. Do the research. Here are some places to start:

(1) Neil Z. Miller's "Vaccinations: Are They Really Safe & Effective?" Try to get the 2010 edition as it is most current regarding autism.

(2) If you truly investigate the issue, you will soon discover that the CDC should be the last place anyone goes for accurate vaccine information. That organization, NIH, WHO, and other government agencies, have been in bed with the multi-billion $ vaccine industry for decades, increasing their profits by creating public compliance using statistical lies and fear. This short video, "Shocking Vaccine Coverup", featuring Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. reveals just the tip of the iceberg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkyXaAojo…

(3) In this piece, "The Truth Behind the Vaccine Cover-up", Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock also reports on the infamous Simsonwood meeting wherein government officials collaborated with vaccine industry reps to keep secret the findings linking autism, and other neurological disorders, directly to vaccines: http://www.whale.to/a/blaylock.html

(4) "There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good."---Dr. J. Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control ...
www.whale.to/vaccines/morris_h.html

(5) All these constituents of vaccines are toxic, and their toxicity may vary, as a rule, from one batch of vaccine to another. In this article, the first of a ...
www.whale.to/vaccine/adjuvants.html

(7) List of just some of the many sites giving factual information about vaccines:

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny: http://www.drtenpenny.com
Dr. Mercola: http://www. mercola.com
Vaccination Liberation: http://www.vaclib.org
(Search Vac-Lib for fascinating letters from doctors opposing vaccines going back to earliest times.)
National Vaccine Information Center: http://www.nvic.org

(9) Here are two petitions that I wrote and still stand by every word, except that the number of vaccines given to children has since increased markedly, as has the incidence of autism and other related neurological disorders. Click on the archived petition to 60 Minutes II, Nov. '04, scroll down past the photos and graphs of the children to find the meat of the petition with 42 interactive references and links. Therein you will find other sources of information. http://wwwvaccinetruth.org

Good luck in actually researching the facts, rather than repeating corporate lies. This is a an important, complicated, life-altering topic requiring a great deal more effort than blindly shooting from the hip. The life you save may be your own.

Joan M.

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Posted by Joan M. on June 22, 2011 at 10:40 AM · Report this
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This is a very succinct article, a deft explanation of herd immunity, and the ignorance of the general public on basic science, however I think the name calling is not helpful in resolving the problem. Belkin may not even be a hippy, he is finance guy, but he does represent a demographic that have some education and thus think they have "enough" for all complex problems. One of the things I learned getting my graduate degree through the UW School of Public Health is what I don't know and what I am not an expert in. This type of "enlightenment" seems to be lacking from undergraduate programs. I,e, just because you can get through college doesn't mean you have the ability to perform high-level scientific analysis or to build systems for deployment of same. This attitude of accepting an embarrassing lower standard, as in the ex-Playboy model Jenny McCarthy, is endemic in the way decisions are made in this country. We need to strengthen our scientific inquiry and understanding of basic science to correct this social problem.
Last year I wrote Unraveling U.S. Health Care, which included much 50 state research on health care laws, clinical results, and other metrics, including immunizations. The states in the bottom three were Alaska, Wyoming, and Montana.
I supported Washington State Pediatricians who advocated for the new law, requiring a physician to sign off on the immunization waiver for the "informed parents" who are still willing to submit their children to life threatening illnesses. However, the question we really need to ask these parents is, " Whose children are you willing to risk to satisfy your irrational control needs, because it is everyone's children who are at risk due to your selfishness. Perhaps Mr. Belkin would understand if he were required to indemnify himself to this level of responsibility.
And Washington did loose several children to "whooping cough" or pertussis last year, so to those who say it isn't a big deal, tell that to the parents with the dead kids.
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Posted by healthpolicymaven http://healthpolicymaven.com on June 22, 2011 at 3:58 PM · Report this
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This is a very succinct article, a deft explanation of herd immunity, and the ignorance of the general public on basic science, however I think the name calling is not helpful in resolving the problem. Belkin may not even be a hippy, he is finance guy, but he does represent a demographic that have some education and thus think they have "enough" for all complex problems. One of the things I learned getting my graduate degree through the UW School of Public Health is what I don't know and what I am not an expert in. This type of "enlightenment" seems to be lacking from undergraduate programs. I,e, just because you can get through college doesn't mean you have the ability to perform high-level scientific analysis or to build systems for deployment of same. This attitude of accepting an embarrassing lower standard, as in the ex-Playboy model Jenny McCarthy, is endemic in the way decisions are made in this country. We need to strengthen our scientific inquiry and understanding of basic science to correct this social problem.
Last year I wrote Unraveling U.S. Health Care, which included much 50 state research on health care laws, clinical results, and other metrics, including immunizations. The states in the bottom three were Alaska, Wyoming, and Montana.
I supported Washington State Pediatricians who advocated for the new law, requiring a physician to sign off on the immunization waiver for the "informed parents" who are still willing to submit their children to life threatening illnesses. However, the question we really need to ask these parents is, " Whose children are you willing to risk to satisfy your irrational control needs, because it is everyone's children who are at risk due to your selfishness. Perhaps Mr. Belkin would understand if he were required to indemnify himself to this level of responsibility.
And Washington did loose several children to "whooping cough" or pertussis last year, so to those who say it isn't a big deal, tell that to the parents with the dead kids.
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Posted by healthpolicymaven http://healthpolicymaven.com on June 22, 2011 at 4:00 PM · Report this
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HealthPolicyMaven may need to explore whether these young children/babies actually died from pertussis. It would be interesting to see if the babies/children caught it from a vaccinated child at daycare or a sibling. A study in Israel of fully vaccinated children in a daycare center concluded that “Vaccinated adolescents and adults may serve as reservoirs for silent infection and become potential transmitters to unprotected infants. The whole-cell vaccine for pertussis is protective only against clinical disease, not infection. Therefore,
even young, recently vaccinated children may
serve as reservoirs and potential transmitters of
infection. ...[C]hildren ages 5-6 years and possibly
younger, ages 2-3 years, play a role as silent
reservoirs in the transmission of pertussis in the
community.” See Pertussis Infection in Fully Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel"
Emerging Infectious Diseases, Vol. 6, No. 5, Sept.-Oct. 2000

Ingri Cassel, the director of Vaccination Liberation in Idaho, claims to have records from her local health district as well as the CDC regarding the 1997 pertussis outbreak in North Idaho. Of the 253 cases reported in five counties, 81.5 percent had 4 out of 4 of their DTaP shots. According to Dr. Allen Banks who was on the board of directors of the Panhandle Health District, in Bonner County alone, 85 percent had 4 out of 4 of their DTaP shots and 15 percent had 3 out of 4 of their DTaP shots. There were no reported cases among those who had 2 out of 4, 1 out of 4 OR zero DTaP shots.
The CDC concluded that “[t]he myth of vaccine refusal played no role in this outbreak." Regardless, the local media continued to instill fear in the public as to the necessity of getting the pertussis vaccine since there were several deaths that resulted from the 1997 pertussis outbreak. Cassel decided to question the nurse in charge of the immunization program regarding these deaths. The truth was that there was only one death — an infant girl of about 7 weeks. She was hospitalized in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho that winter and died in the hospital. When an autopsy was performed they found some pertussis bacterium present in the infant's lungs. They then decided to put pertussis as the cause of death on the death certificate. It is important to note that the infant was hospitalized and yet never treated for pertussis. When Cassel inquired as to whether the infant was breastfed, malnourished, or premature, she received a blank stare since it never occurred to her that there are factors besides the presence of pertussis bacteria that could have contributed to this infant's death.

Source - Testimony of Ingri Cassel before the Idaho State Legislature, February 26, 2003 http://www.vaclib.org/news/boise.htm

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HealthPolicyMaven may need to explore whether these young children/babies actually died from pertussis. It would be interesting to see if the babies/children caught it from a vaccinated child at daycare or a sibling. A study in Israel of fully vaccinated children in a daycare center concluded that “Vaccinated adolescents and adults may serve as reservoirs for silent infection and become potential transmitters to unprotected infants. The whole-cell vaccine for pertussis is protective only against clinical disease, not infection. Therefore,
even young, recently vaccinated children may
serve as reservoirs and potential transmitters of
infection. ...[C]hildren ages 5-6 years and possibly
younger, ages 2-3 years, play a role as silent
reservoirs in the transmission of pertussis in the
community.” See Pertussis Infection in Fully Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel"
Emerging Infectious Diseases, Vol. 6, No. 5, Sept.-Oct. 2000

Ingri Cassel, the director of Vaccination Liberation in Idaho, claims to have records from her local health district as well as the CDC regarding the 1997 pertussis outbreak in North Idaho. Of the 253 cases reported in five counties, 81.5 percent had 4 out of 4 of their DTaP shots. According to Dr. Allen Banks who was on the board of directors of the Panhandle Health District, in Bonner County alone, 85 percent had 4 out of 4 of their DTaP shots and 15 percent had 3 out of 4 of their DTaP shots. There were no reported cases among those who had 2 out of 4, 1 out of 4 OR zero DTaP shots.
The CDC concluded that “[t]he myth of vaccine refusal played no role in this outbreak." Regardless, the local media continued to instill fear in the public as to the necessity of getting the pertussis vaccine since there were several deaths that resulted from the 1997 pertussis outbreak. Cassel decided to question the nurse in charge of the immunization program regarding these deaths. The truth was that there was only one death — an infant girl of about 7 weeks. She was hospitalized in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho that winter and died in the hospital. When an autopsy was performed they found some pertussis bacterium present in the infant's lungs. They then decided to put pertussis as the cause of death on the death certificate. It is important to note that the infant was hospitalized and yet never treated for pertussis. When Cassel inquired as to whether the infant was breastfed, malnourished, or premature, she received a blank stare since it never occurred to her that there are factors besides the presence of pertussis bacteria that could have contributed to this infant's death.

Source - Testimony of Ingri Cassel before the Idaho State Legislature, February 26, 2003 http://www.vaclib.org/news/boise.htm

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Posted by ImmunizeWizely on June 22, 2011 at 8:05 PM · Report this
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There are many reasons for a parent to think twice about immunizations. Those who educate themselves about vaccines are not necessarily "stupid fucking hippies", they can include educated proactive people interested in their child's well being.

Immunizations are just one of the many things parents can make an educated decision about, then decide what is right for their family. Autism is not the only fear on peoples' minds, the child can have a bad reaction, have seizures, damaged nerve tissue (yes, I have met a man who can no longer walk due to an immunization given before traveling), among other things. Now, you might say "well, the chances are really slim of anything bad happening", but I will tell you, when it is YOUR child, and you are envisioning all the ways you can screw them up, you think twice before exposing them to something that can give them a possible life-altering reaction. It matters. That's where the choice comes in. You must weigh the consequences of the disease vs. the possible consequences of the immunization and make a proper decision. It's not as easy as you might think.

Take, for example chickenpox (Varicella vaccine). Chickenpox suck. However, an immunization can have one run the possible risk of bleeding problems, pneumonia, skin infections, severe life-threatening rash, and Nervous system effects (Gullain-Barre' syndrome), encephalitis, seizure, and stroke. Makes the chicken pox not seem so bad, right?

Why shouldn't we educate ourselves about what goes into our child's body? We have educated ourselves about nearly everything else. Take food, for example. I, like many of you, had my fair share of hormones, msg, pesticides, and Lord knows what else in my system when I was a kid. I personally have taken an interest, and society at large has taken an interest in developing better quality food. If society has progressed in caring so much what we put in our bodies, it's only natural we should care about what vaccines are made of and what their dangers are.

One great book on the subject is "The Vaccine Book". If you care to educate yourself about vaccines, it's a great resource because it gives you the unbiased facts about the vaccines, what diesases they are meant to prevent and their likelihood, what exactly has is in the vaccine, and possible side effects. It's written by Dr. Robert Sears who spent 13 years researching the subject.

Anyhoo, you peobably shouldn't call people names and tell them what to do with their lives. It's not polite.
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Posted by dncrbyn on June 22, 2011 at 9:23 PM · Report this
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Maven, Not to minimize the tragedy, but I could find only 2 deaths in 2010 from pertussis. Since it is impossible to find pertinent details, I will try to add some perspective.

How effective is the pertussis vaccine?:

The incidence and severity of pertussis had begun to decline long before the pertussis vaccine was introduced, as had all other childhood diseases - polio included. In fact, polio incidence spiked when mass vaccination took place, as did other diseases.

From 1900 to 1935, the death rate from pertussis in the U.S. and England had declined on its own by 79 percent and 82 percent respectively. A study published in the Journal of Pediatrics revealed that the whole-cell pertussis vaccine may be only 40 to 45 percent effective - despite official claims of 63 to 91 percent efficacy. Efficacy is not sustained; susceptibility to pertussis just a few years after full vaccination may be as high as 95 percent.

In 1983, there were 2,187 cases of pertussis reported to the CDC. Of the 560 patients with known vaccination status, nearly half had received vaccine protection.

In 1986, 1030 cases were reported in Kansas wherein 90 percent of the patients were adequately vaccinated.

In a 1993 outbreak in Ohio, 82 percent of young children with the disease had received multiple doses of vaccine.

In 1993 in Alberta, Canada 62 percent of those contracting pertussis had received their age appropriate shots.

In 1996 in Vermont, where vac rates were among the highest in the U.S. nearly 97 percent of those affected with pertussis were properly vaccinated; 74 percent of children 7-47 months of age had received 3-5 doses of the vaccine, and 68 percent of all 7-18 year-olds had received 4 or 5 doses.

In 1996, there was a large pertussis outbreak in the Netherlands causing researchers to state, "Our results clearly show that pertussis remained endemic with epidemic peaks...despite high vaccination coverage."

In Cyprus, pertussis vaccination rates rose from 48 percent in 1980 to 98 percent by 1997. In 2003, the pertussis vac rate remained at 98 Percent yet there was a large outbreak. According to researchers, "Most cases in the outbreak had previously been vaccinated..." In fact, 79 percent of everyone who contracted the disease had received 3-5 doses of the vaccine. ONLY 13 PERCENT OF ALL PEOPLE STRICKEN WITH PERTUSSIS WERE COMPLETELY UNVACCINATED.

And the list of all types of vaccine failures goes on and on and on...but parents continue to be lied to...it's called poisoning children for profit. Those of us who have thoroughly studied this issue and choose not to allow our children's immune systems to be compromised by vaccines are keenly aware that they are healthier than vaccinated children.

The sources on the pertussis statistics above, as well as other disease statistics, are richly referenced in the "Vaccine Safety Manual" by Neil Z. Miller with forward by Russell Blaylock, MD, a 25+ year neurosurgeon and expert in the neurotoxic effects of vaccines; he will tell you what they do to brains.

For example, are you aware that that pharmaceutical companies/vaccine manufacturers have NEVER conducted a study comparing vaccinated children with unvaccinated children? Honest. Mmmm, ever wonder why? Think about it.

Joan M.

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Posted by Joan M. on June 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM · Report this
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First. And for once in my life, yes, I think I'll use all caps; THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HERD IMMUNITY. Someone has surely mentioned this already, but when anyone resorts to name calling & swearing, they lose credibility with me. I can't be bothere to read further. But the point is, unless ALL adults get booster shots for EVERYTHING kids are vaccinated for EVERY few years (vaccine "immunity" lasts only between 2-10 years) ANYONE AT ALL can therefore be hazardous to vulnerable kids. All you parents screaming about herd immunity had better start getting vaxed yourselves if you want to start blaming others.
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1. Decreasing trends for all of these illnesses began, and took their most significant falls, BEFORE vaccines were introduced. Credit is due to understanding and implementation of sanitation and the socialization of it.

2. When the data are studied, one learns that the per capita incidence of illnesses are the same among vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

3. Concluding from the above, vaccinated people confer no greater levels of immunity over unvaccinated people. In fact, some studies suggest otherwise. Vaccinated people just treat syringes like Russian roulette devices as there IS a documentable connection between vaccines and illnesses like autism (Wakefield has been vindicated this year).
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1. Decreasing trends for all of these illnesses began, and took their most significant falls, BEFORE vaccines were introduced. Credit is due to the understanding and implementation of sanitation and the socialization of it.

2. When the data are studied, one learns that the per capita incidence of illnesses are the same among vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

3. Concluding from the above, vaccination confers no greater levels of immunity over unvaccinated people. In fact, some studies suggest otherwise. Vaccinated people just treat syringes like Russian roulette devices as there IS a documentable connection between vaccines and illnesses like autism (Wakefield has been vindicated this year).
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Oh yes, I wish that all of might rights could be taken away. Can you please tell me I must give myself and those I'm responsible for toxic injections? Can you please tell me that if you goof up, that you are not liable for any misgivings? Can you take away my right for free speech while your at it? Or my right to question my doctor? What about my right to question a for profit company that makes a drug I must take that has never been 3rd party tested for safety or effectiveness? Thank you.
Posted by mommyoftwins on June 24, 2011 at 12:57 PM · Report this
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Joan, I'm glad you lived through polio.

My great uncle didn't. And you must know people who were crippled or killed from it.

Fear of vaccines isn't irrational. It's a normal, base, core human fear. We don't want foreign things injected into us. We don't like snakes, bees, spiders because they can all bite/sting and could kill. A vaccination is just a bee in a medical office. When you hear someone express fear about "toxins," this is the fear they're expressing.

Our goal should be to educate people to overcome this fear with the evidence that we have.

The real problem is that the only evidence that's going to turn it around is another epidemic. You know what shot people are having no quibble with right now? DTaP. That's thanks to the mini-epidemic out of California with the dozen dead babies in its wake.

It's just a shame people are putting their own kids on the line waiting for another epidemic to "prove" that vaccinations work. The dead will be babies too young to be vaccinated anyway.
Posted by wicked-witch-west http://totalspacecadet.blogspot.com on July 1, 2011 at 12:50 PM · Report this
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Joan, let me Google that for you:

http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/outbreaks.h…

"From January 1 through December 31, 2010, 9,477 cases of pertussis (including ten infant deaths) were reported throughout California."
Posted by wicked-witch-west http://totalspacecadet.blogspot.com on July 1, 2011 at 12:53 PM · Report this
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-Is not liking the business practices of an industry a reason to put children in danger of disease and death? It's not like choosing to not eat anything but free-range eggs based on moral principle. How much do your principles REALLY mean to you? Are you seriously willing to put your child's health at risk over what you wish this industry was doing differently. It may be a monopoly, but it is one of the most regulated and checked up on monopolies in the U.S.. You can follow the money around and around, but the fact is that when bad batches of drugs come out, they get recalled immediately; when bad batches of vaccines come out, they get recalled immediately. And people don't really want to know how their medicines get made. They demand perfect treatments, perfect cures, no side effects, having been tested on a million people before it gets to them, and yet, somehow, magically, having never harmed a soul. Study bio-chemistry, organic chemistry and pharmacology a while. You're not going to get it.

-There is NO MEDICAL REASON to delay vaccinations. I DO lump people who have their kids on a delayed schedule in with the "non-vaxers" because the reason they are putting their children on a delayed schedule is based on mis-information and what THEY THINK is happening inside their child's body, but really isn't. It is DANGEROUS to delay vaccines because you are not giving them every protection they need. Doctor's have ALREADY done the calculations based on what is safe and when they are old enough to handle it.

-If you seriously don't trust your Doctor to tell you when your child is old enough to get vaccinated, you shouldn't be seeing them. If you honestly believe that your family physician is just a pawn of the pharmaceutical industry and is putting you and your family's health in danger in order to make a profit, you SERIOUSLY need to find another doctor. Why go to them at all?

-Stop getting your information soley from the internet. Please. Don't "look it up on the internet" and say you've researched a topic. Don't trust everything I say. Go to a library, go to a college, go talk to actual doctors, researchers, pharmacists, bio-chemists, pathologists. Talk to people who work in the industry and find out why things are the way they are and where productive changes can be made without putting kids in danger.
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GOLDY, you need to do some research - you are really very ignorant and close-minded. I'll help you out. Look up Dr. Suzanne Humphries, a practicing Nephrologist who started to study vaccine reactions when she noticed kidney failure in patients recently immunized. Look up how vaccines are made and what goes into them. Dr. Sherry Tenpenney is a good source for this. Finally, question why vaccine makers cover up adverse events and why they sought protection from the Federal Government so they aren't allowed to be sued for people who get sick from the vaccines. Sounds like you need to develop some critical thinking skills, although I doubt you have any based upon your childish rant.
Posted by darkhorse on July 9, 2011 at 2:56 PM · Report this
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GOLDY, you need to do some research - you are really very ignorant and close-minded. I'll help you out. Look up Dr. Suzanne Humphries, a practicing Nephrologist who started to study vaccine reactions when she noticed kidney failure in patients recently immunized. Look up how vaccines are made and what goes into them. Dr. Sherry Tenpenney is a good source for this. Finally, question why vaccine makers cover up adverse events and why they sought protection from the Federal Government so they aren't allowed to be sued for people who get sick from the vaccines. Sounds like you need to develop some critical thinking skills, although I doubt you have any based upon your childish rant.
Posted by darkhorse on July 9, 2011 at 3:02 PM · Report this
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Proof that vaccines did not save us: See all Graphs

http://genesgreenbook.com/content/proof-…

By genebean - Posted on 07 November 2009

History shows us that vaccines did NOT eradicate the diseases that plagued humanity. That is a common misconception -- in actual fact, it was better sanitation and hygiene in the cities that prevented the spread of diseases. These charts, from official sources, show us that vaccines (1) were not responsible, and are not necessary, for eliminating infectious diseases, (2) are not effective, and (3) are dangerous.

These charts are part of a document prepared by Raymond Obomsawin, PhD. You can access this document here in PDF format. The data comes from various sources including national public health agencies, encyclopedias, Vital Statistics and Historical Statistics of the US, published medical journals, UNICEF reports, and more.

Posted by GreenYourLife on July 12, 2011 at 2:16 PM · Report this
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There is actually an explanation behind why parents, often mistakenly, come to believe that vaccines aren't right for their child. Consider a hypothetical disease X. Disease X is causing 10 childhood deaths per 100,000 per year, as well as disabling 15, and making a further 150 sick or severely sick. A vaccine comes out. The risk of adverse drug reaction is 4 in 100,000. The effectiveness is 99.0% Parents think the vaccine is a miracle. Vaccination rates are huge. 10 years later, the disease is causing 0 deaths per 100,000 per year, but it is still just about lingering on with 3-4 illnesses per 100,000 per year. By this stage, the vaccine is slightly safer at 3 ADRs per 100,000, and slightly more effective at 99.4% protection. It is still the same vaccine, but safer and more effective, but now parents are thinking "there is a 3 in 100,000 risk of injuring my child, to prevent the risk of disease of about 3-4 per 100,000. This vaccine just isn't worth the risk". Vaccination rates start to fall, and because the disease is nearly eradicated, there are thousands of kids who didn't get the vaccine and are "just fine". (Maybe some bad research comes out falsely linking the vax to yet more side-effects, but maybe it doesn't). Each year, another group of poorly covered kids hits the schools. Eventually, the inevitable happens, herd immunity is lost, and the disease breaks out again. Now, there is a 100 or 200 deaths and illnesses per 100,000 per year problem all over again. Parents look at the 3 ADRs per 100,000 again, and suddenly they want the vaccine yesterday.
This has happened time and time again, with disease after disease. It will happen again and again in the future. It takes a long time to write the above explanation, and it takes someone willing to read/ listen/ understand. It takes a very short time to say, "my kid got this vaccine and got autism" and that is a very emotional and scary thing for a parent who hasn't been quite thoroughly educated about the subject (simply because the majority of the population aren't MDs / health researchers / nurses etc) to hear and decide to ignore.
See this link for the classic example of measles, post-MMR-bullshit-Lancet article: http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/activities/scia…
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I have mixed feelings on this, being messed up for life because of having been given an experimental medical drug when I was a child all because of a misdiagnosis but being thankful I was not at risk for small pox *shudder*.

Vaccines proven effective and safe should be given to children, to prevent a return of these horrible ways to die, but those which have not been around long should be optional to parents, honestly they should be optional to the children to but kids that young are usually not capable of such decisions.

However, there is a sanity in the "they only want to make you get these for profit" as an argument. People wrongfully attack insurance companies, but the reality is far more scary, many doctors and medical professionals have sold out, most of the FDA's "studies" are done by the drug companies themselves and not even checked for accuracy or comprehensiveness these days. So a bit of paranoia is understandable in this issue, just a balance with the paranoia of your child being the next patient zero should also be added.
Posted by KittenKoder http://digitalnoisegraffiti.com/ on September 1, 2011 at 7:24 PM · Report this
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Your tirade indicates a lack of research into the subject. First of all, you must look at who funded the study, because ANY study can be made to have the outcome the FUNDER wishes. Additionally, a question is "Do they receive Federal funding?".

First, I advise you to look at the government's own website, VAERS for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. Check out the statistics. Then study the VICP, Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, funded with $3 billion. It is the same Tort Court system as 9-11 and the Gulf Oil Spill. Perhaps you believe 9-11 didn't really kill anyone, and there is no damage to the ocean.

And I want to personally thank you for helping pay my daughter's $1 million medical bill, paid for by Medicaid, for a Vaccine Injury. Yes, Dept. of Health and Human Services decided in our favor -- it was a vaccine injury. As usual, they settle out of court so there is no legal precedence.

There are enough people out there who have seen vaccine reactions to know that you are a rambling uninformed spokesperson who doesn't have credibility.
Posted by koby on September 23, 2011 at 8:15 AM · Report this
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There's a shade of grey not being covered here: I choose to omit rotavirus and chixpox for my kids: they aren't deadly in our 'First World' urban life. I will fight to retain this right.

@25 while blindly following celebrity advice on medicine is a bad idea, and while the autism-vaccine link is full of holes, I gotta say

1) our mutual right as americans of personal choice is far greater than any 'herd immunity theory' some others might value.
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with regards to: "will most certainly be vaccinating my unborn son"
Sorry, but I think in utero vaccination is a terrible idea.

;)
Posted by Rev.Smith on October 13, 2011 at 10:27 PM · Report this
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Haha. Sheep. Medical doctors are puppets of the pharmaceutical companies and most of you are to blind to see that. There is no evidence that vaccines make you more healthy and certainly no evidence that they are the reason the targeted illnesses have declined. Ever pick up an insert? Since when is aluminum or even thimersol(still in your flu shot) safe to inject? We have seen our vaccines over double since 1989 and our asthma, diabetes, neurological disorders, cancer, and autoimmune disorders have risen drastically since then in children. Go ahead and get your kids vaccinated and participate in their long term study of the effects. Whether it's vaccines or prescription meds you are in one giant study. We apparently have the best health care in the world, but yet are one of the sickest. Go ahead and take you pills and shots and don't whine about those who don't. You and your kids are "immunized safely" so you should not have to worry about my "hippi kid" passing any diseases on to you or your kids. Your title is hilarious by the way. So angry. Maybe you should see your doctor about a prescription pill for that.
Posted by ChiroBz on October 16, 2011 at 6:20 PM · Report this
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There was a really good episode of This American Life that covered this, titled "Ruining it for the rest of us." Interesting to hear both sides of the argument as the participants dealt with an outbreak.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-ar…
Posted by EnzoRomeo on October 20, 2011 at 4:25 PM · Report this
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We in WA are the most educated state too.. Wonder if that impacts the anti vaccine movement. Fuck vaccines! Long term safety is not known of mass vaccination. Fucking vaccines are contaminated with viruses and bacteria, in addition to harmful chemicals which are directly injected into the blood. Each year more vaccines are added to the schedule. It's fucking sick. Pharma is fucking greedy!
Posted by Seattlelover on February 7, 2012 at 11:36 PM · Report this
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I am not willing to sacrifice my child for herd immunity
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@135 Seattlelover, then move out to the fucking woods and take your child with you.
Posted by Mr. Happy Sunshine on April 3, 2012 at 12:52 PM · Report this
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FUCK YOU, YOU PIECE OF GOD DAMNED TRASH!!! WHY DONT YOU BRING THAT ATTITUDE TO FLORIDA & LETS SETTLE THIS ARGUMENT, BABY KILLER
Posted by IDIOTS VACCINATE on May 11, 2012 at 4:45 AM · Report this

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