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The 3,000-Mile Myth

Jiffy Lube Employees Misinform Their Customers and Their Corporate Executives Admit It

The 3,000-Mile Myth

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One afternoon a few months ago, Seattle resident Don Clifton drove his white pickup truck—a 2007 Ford Ranger—to a Jiffy Lube in Ballard. An attendant in coveralls asked him what he wanted. He said he wanted his oil changed. "Do you know how your air filter is doing?" the attendant asked. "Should we top off the coolant? Are any of your lights out? Windshield wipers okay for you?" Clifton said he just wanted his oil changed.

The attendant got in the driver's seat, slapped a plastic wrapper over the steering wheel—to keep off the motor grease—and eased Clifton's truck into the garage until the underbelly of its chassis hung above a subterranean mechanics' pit. Clifton went to a nearby cafe and ate a sandwich. When he returned, the attendants put a little sticker on the inside of his windshield—the same little sticker all 24 million customers of Jiffy Lube get on the inside of their windshields each year—telling him to come back for another oil change after 3,000 miles. Clifton showed me the owner's manual with the guidelines that Ford—the people who designed and built his engine—suggests for changing the oil: once every 5,000 miles. (That's relatively low for a new car—some major manufacturers recommend changes at 7,500- or 10,000-mile intervals.)

"See, that's just wasteful," he said. Think of how much money, time, and oil Americans could save if they just followed manufacturers' guidelines instead of Jiffy Lube's misleading recommendations. A little laziness, he said, could make the world a better place.

Jiffy Lube, which is a subsidiary of Shell Oil, has more than 2,000 franchises and 24 million customers. The US Department of Transportation says the average American driver covers 13,476 miles of pavement a year. Every oil change takes about five quarts of oil. That's 4.49 oil changes per year x 5 quarts of oil x 24 million customers, which equals 134,760,000 gallons. If Jiffy Lube customers got their oil changed half as often, they could save more than 67,380,000 gallons of motor oil per year.

Incidentally, one barrel—42 gallons—of crude oil is involved in making two quarts of motor oil. Other petroleum products are refined from that barrel as well, but each five-quart oil change has been extracted from 105 gallons of crude. The 67,380,000 gallons of motor oil Jiffy Lube customers don't need to buy each year are gleaned from more than one billion gallons of crude oil. The unnecessary oil consumption of Jiffy Lube customers is a drop in America's oil bucket. But it's a 67-million-gallon drop.

It was only this summer—after years of lobbying against the 3,000-mile myth by General Motors, the government of California, and others—that Jiffy Lube announced it would switch its recommendations from a flat 3,000 miles to manufacturer guidelines.

Americans change their oil too often. Craig Linington, director of operations at Jiffy Lube, said that as of early November, customers were changing their oil at an average interval of 3,517 miles if they thought they drove in "severe" conditions. (In a June story for USA Today, Jiffy Lube CEO Stu Crum said 47 percent of his customers thought they drove in "severe" conditions.)

An informal poll of 20 car owners at The Stranger showed that the majority changed their oil every 3,000 miles—not just because of the quick-oil industry, but because of antiquated wisdom. "My dad always told me to change the oil every 3,000 miles, so I did," someone said about her 2002 Honda Civic. Honda recommends a 10,000-mile interval.

For decades, car manufacturers have recommended that people get their oil changed every 5,000 to 10,000 miles. Popular experts recommend similar intervals. Tom and Ray Magliozzi of NPR's Car Talk say, "For the vast majority, 5,000-mile oil changes will help your engine last to a ripe old age." The experts at Edmunds.com say the average recommended interval for cars made in 2010 is 7,800 miles.

Despite Jiffy Lube's official switch, not much has changed on the ground. Jiffy Lube erected computer kiosks in its stores, which supposedly give accurate manufacturer recommendations based on whether customers drive in "severe" or "regular" conditions. (Drivers in "severe" conditions—half of Jiffy Lube's customers, according to CEO Crum—get the 3,000-mile recommendation.)

According to Jiffy Lube's website and employees contacted for this story, any of these driving conditions counts as "severe," warranting a 3,000-mile oil change: stop-and-go traffic (city driving), prolonged speeds (highway driving), short trips (suburban driving), and driving anywhere that's hot or cold or dusty or muddy or hilly.

"It's hard for us to find anyone who drives in normal conditions in the United States," said one Jiffy Lube employee at a Kirkland shop. "They have what they call 'severe driving conditions,' said an employee in Gig Harbor, "which is silly because everybody drives in that category."

Last week, I called 77 Jiffy Lube locations in the Seattle area to test Jiffy Lube's supposed abandonment of the 3,000-mile rule. I alternated hypothetical cars, asking mechanics how often I should change the oil in a 1997 Volkswagen Golf or a 2002 Honda Civic. (The manufacturers of both cars recommend an oil change every 10,000 miles.)

Thirty-five shops unequivocally recommended the 3,000-mile change. Nineteen said some variation of it depends, but you probably want to go with 3,000 miles. ("Jiffy Lube says 3,000, but it's up to you guys now," said one unusually permissive mechanic in Federal Way. "It's your car, so you can do whatever you want.") Seventeen consulted with the kiosk, all promising their computers had accurate manufacturer guidelines. All of them lowballed the manufacturer's recommended interval. Only two said I should stick to my manufacturer guidelines.

"You never, ever want to go over 3,000," said one mechanic in Everett. "After 3,000, it just breaks down completely." That is another fearmongering untruth: Ryan Stark of Blackstone Labs, who has been a motor-oil expert since 1997, says oil-thin engines give warning signs before completely breaking down. "They shouldn't worry about sudden, catastrophic engine failure," he said. "That is a misplaced fear."

Why would Jiffy Lube stick to the 3,000-mile recommendation for so many years after it became obsolete? And why would they announce switching to a new, more accurate guideline but then fail to do so in practice?

"I can certainly understand how you'd be confused by that," said Linington when I told him about all the misinformation I received when calling the 77 Jiffy Lube shops. "We called several Jiffy Lube locations after your e-mail and didn't receive a different experience ourselves." So Jiffy Lube executives were getting misinformation from their own employees? "Yes. Customers don't typically call the stores," he explained. "This OCS [oil change schedule] experience almost entirely happens at the store." But, he added, "from my perspective, it's not acceptable to get a different answer over the telephone than in the store, so I'm quite glad you brought this to our attention."

Virginia Sanchez, a public-relations representative for Shell Oil who was also on the phone, chimed in: "We want to thank you for identifying that opportunity to improve our customer service." recommended

 

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@22: Watch out for Wal-Mart oil. The manufacturers make special cheapened grades of oil just for Wal-Mart; and "synthetic oil" doesn't have to be "full synthetic oil" anymore. In today's corporatist US you can't trust labels anymore.
Posted by TheBadSeed131313 on December 15, 2011 at 1:26 PM · Report
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@20:

You paid $80 for a regular oil change? That's what I pay for synthetic oil there! I do use Jiffy Lube but I don't let them upsell me on their useless services, and I BRING MY OWN OIL FILTER to install. The Fram oil filters they use are absolute shit; the break down inside and sometimes puke their insides into the engine clogging up the oil passages. Go to your parts store and ask for a Wix filter; they're the best.
Posted by TheBadSeed131313 on December 15, 2011 at 1:22 PM · Report
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@5. That's the jist if it, yes. It has been so ever since there were cars.
Posted by TheBadSeed131313 on December 15, 2011 at 1:15 PM · Report
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The employees of Jiffy Lube, Grease Monkey, etc. are not mechanics. Do not insult actual trained mechanics by lumping them together.

Jiffy Lube uses unskilled, untrained minimum wage labor, because the only services they perform are easy do-it-yourself type tasks.

They are retail establishments, nothing more, and you should know that their "advice" is a corporate sales pitch. The stores and employees are only ranked on how many add-ons they get.

I know this. I managed a Jiffy Lube for two years. Retail is Retail, no matter how you package it.
Posted by Lack Thereof on December 14, 2011 at 6:44 PM · Report
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Part two sounds like That French Fry film, where informing us about the quantity of oil changing and cutting down the costs also helps lessen the amount of oil used.
Really uh uh. I would have liked to hear the man get counseled by his boss or possibly fired for being so gay natured. I used to notify customers that their tags were out of date and other stuff. Regular recommendations,upgrades....like better window shield wipers,synthetic fuel,etc.
To have less cooperation with the pre-existing motor companies and warranties...I guess those old cooters with 1950's style winnebagos,beetles and Fords or whatever are gonna try to impress Generation Y with their Saturns and Pontiac Aztecs...I just don't know.
Great memories, though. Could have informed us on the usage of sized 14 to size 17mm socket wrench sets also. That would be helpful,whiner.
Posted by dann on December 7, 2011 at 12:56 PM · Report
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The first paragraph tells me that this dude wasn't about to find out on his own....lemme keep reading....dum -dum -dew-dupe-dupe-dew doo-doo-beep beep
Posted by dann on December 7, 2011 at 12:45 PM · Report
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@#2 good point.. I still haven't learned shit from this article.

Now I'm just confused. Way to take it half way.
Posted by supakook on December 6, 2011 at 1:55 PM · Report
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Thanks for this article! Really good topic to cover. They are totally playing on people fear. People who depend on their car.. and can't afford to lose their job cos they show up late one day.

@Cato #8 I'm glad you understand everyone so well, you believe you can speak for everyone. You are a cynical creep. I hope you crawl up your own asschamber and die. A lot of people can't afford to have a car but need one to get by. If you have ever had a pizza or groceries delivered you have met one of these people. And even if you haven't a lot of people who can't walk or drive rely on these services. So you aren't really better than anyone, Cato. Just because you think you are. Just shows how disconnected from community you are.
Posted by supakook on December 6, 2011 at 1:52 PM · Report
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@ 44. I'm afraid I don't remember. I had a turkey and swiss.
Posted by Brendan Kiley on December 2, 2011 at 1:06 PM · Report
Rinelle Boomtown 44
What I want to know is what sandwich Clifton ate while he was waiting. Meant to say I read this and loved it.
Posted by Rinelle Boomtown on December 1, 2011 at 6:45 PM · Report
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@go gadget go #42:

wrong on both counts. you can recycle used oil for free at any auto parts store (e.g. oreilly's, autozone) or through King County (just search "king county hazardous waste")

as for changing the filter: get over the $10 it costs for a filter wrench and realize how easy it is to do yourself.
Posted by ddddd on November 23, 2011 at 6:59 PM · Report
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A couple things to keep in mind:

-If you change your own oil you will still have to pay someone to take the old stuff so as to be properly recycled. Its against the law to dump it, anywhere.

-Your OIL FILTER should be replaced with every oil change. This can be difficult for the average person since special tools are sometime required, and the filter can be in difficult to reach places.
Posted by go gadget go on November 23, 2011 at 3:07 PM · Report
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This is serious. I bet Jiffy Lube has levamisole in their oil. There should be free community-based testing kits issued at free clinics for the community.
Posted by yeah1 on November 23, 2011 at 11:45 AM · Report
elissa 40
Damn, I got excited, but then I just looked up the manufacturer's recommendations for my car. 3000 miles. Well, hopefully it'll take me a while to get there--had an oil change a few days ago, and today, I traded in my pricey parking permit for an employee bus pass.
Posted by elissa http://washuta.net/blog on November 22, 2011 at 9:46 PM · Report
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@34: Yeah, he may not spell or use grammar quite like one should, but he's still right.
I'm with him. :)
Posted by kutis on November 22, 2011 at 5:50 PM · Report
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I will chalk this up to obvious.
Jiffy Lube will suggest you replace a brand new air filter as well. Surprise, mechanics try and screw you. Get an appraisal for anything from a few different people and see the huge swings in price and reasons.
Are we still putting quotations around "green" like it's a ridiculous notion. Who are "you" anyway?
Posted by people are everywhere on November 22, 2011 at 6:44 AM · Report
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I am so done with Jiffy Lube. Every time I have gone there, they "find" something wrong with my truck that needs to be fixed. After driving my truck for 8 years the headlights burned out. I went to Jiffy Lube on 4th st downtown, to replace them and one burned out within 6 months. This January I went to my Toyota dealership for the 90 mile service package. Then 3000 miles later I went to Jiffy lube for a simple oil change, they pulled out "my" air filter and told me it was too dirty and needed replacement. I called Toyota and they had already replaced the filter so no way that was my dirty filter. I'm going to write "don't even think about it and sign my name" with red marker on my filter. I will never go back to those carnies again. And yes, they did tell me to come back in 3000 miles.
Posted by Had to say it on November 21, 2011 at 11:05 AM · Report
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As a mechanic, I don't know any mechanic that follows the manufactures recommended oil change intervals.

Sorry, no conspiracy here. The recommendations by the manufactures are simply not realistic.
Posted by AbnormalWrench on November 21, 2011 at 1:18 AM · Report
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Trust your mechanic, he'll always come through and RIP YOU OFF!
Posted by heavyhebrew on November 20, 2011 at 9:56 PM · Report
Knat 34
@12: We've all known your ad hominem attacks from a conservative perspective to be childish and lazy, but I've just come to realize that you're actually illiterate. You can type enough to be understood (for the most part), but you clearly don't have the most basic understanding of how apostrophes, commas, hyphens, or capitalization work. Well, at least I learned something by reading this article.
Posted by Knat on November 20, 2011 at 5:14 PM · Report
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@32, not only do I recycle the oil when I change it, I use Valvoline's recycled oil in my truck. It works great!
Posted by Smell on November 18, 2011 at 10:02 PM · Report
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Amen @13! Simple logic says: the longer you keep the oil in the engine, the dirtier it gets and therefore the more abrading particles it contains. The more abrasion the oil has, the more it will wear down moving surfaces, and the sooner the engine will require over-haul or replacement.
So, of course manufacturers recommend letting the oil become sandpaper inside the engine- more cars wear out and need replacing.
Sorry Brendon and others pushing for no cars at all: big thumbs-down on this article. I like my car, don't plan to replace it, and don't plan to stop 3,000K oil changes. JiffyLube is providing a service to others like myself that would like to maintain their car's engines into the 300K mile range. Then there is the ecological impact of throwing away cars at 100K because their engines are shot with 7,500K oil changes- did you factor the disposal of a SINGLE CAR into the equation for environmental impact?
As for DIY oil-changes- all well and good, unless you don't recycle your oil. In which case you are probably causing more environmental degradation than 3,000K oil changes could ever do, with only one non-recycled oil change.
Posted by OutInBumF on November 18, 2011 at 3:08 PM · Report
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Nice report tarring the slick greaseballs of Jiffy-Lube.
Posted by nickdanger3deye on November 18, 2011 at 9:11 AM · Report
the duster 30
@24 you seem like the type of person that would think it beneath you to watch Weekend at Bernie's 2 (i.e. a real jerkoff)
Posted by the duster on November 17, 2011 at 10:46 PM · Report
loe 29
Thank you for this! I've always thought that oil needed to be changed every 3000 miles. I thought it was a common fact! Although I have to say there's a big difference between getting your oil changed and checking your levels (had a car seize on me when I was dumb and in high school).
Posted by loe http://www.loewyn.com on November 17, 2011 at 10:00 PM · Report
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Really? Does no one change their own oil?
Posted by PetRRR on November 17, 2011 at 8:25 PM · Report
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Sorry Stranger, I'm not giving up my car.
Posted by montex on November 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM · Report
hans millionaire 26
I just went to Jiffy Lube to get my oil changed at the 3000 mile mark, and they actually told me my truck (94 toyota t100) only needs oil changed every 7000 miles!

So, they are not all crooks and liars, that is all
Posted by hans millionaire on November 17, 2011 at 4:47 PM · Report
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A friend who used to work at Jiffy Lube told me how they would bring the cars in, sip on their coffee while the customer was gone, slap a sticker in the window... without changing the oil. You might want to stick around instead of going for a sandwich. Or change your own oil, it's easy.
Posted by grease monkey on November 17, 2011 at 3:56 PM · Report
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Really?! This topic warrants an article? such hard-hitting news AND some undercover work!People who make a product recommend you buy more of it or buy it more often than you need to?! OMG - who knew?! What's next- an expose about a company that tries to sell you a more expensive laptop than you really need?
Posted by laurijst on November 17, 2011 at 1:47 PM · Report
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#8, so like others have pointed out, you must not "need" a car because you live close in, right here in the people's republic, probably in some skeezy one-bedroom apartment where you can hear the upstairs neighbor everytime he takes a whiz. beehiving people is the preferred way, right? (footprint and all) you live right in front of a bus stop, so you have street roaches gathering at all hours of the day and night, tossing their cigarette butts, beer bottles, and other flotsam onto your property, and dropping deuces in your bushes. You can get where you need to go by bike, so that whenever you get anywhere, you stink like sweat, assy bike seat, and pissy mildew from your never laundered yellow reflective jacket. You can walk to the whole foods or PCC, where you have the great white honor of paying 20% more for groceries that make you feel just a bit more smug, then schlepping them home in the rain. Got a date? Get a bus! Nothing like taking the lady on the 358 downtown. Don't get stabbed (or punched, kicked, spit on, pissed on, pricked with hypodermics....those poor people!) Golly, you're pretty much single-handedly saving ol' Gaia herownself!
Posted by sartrewasrightaboutthehellthing on November 17, 2011 at 1:13 PM · Report
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Regular oil is garbage. It breaks down and leaves varnish residue, sludge, wax, sulfur compounds etc inside the engine block.

Synthetic is what every car should be running. 5 quarts of full synthetic at Walmart is only $22.
Posted by Use synthetic oil on November 17, 2011 at 12:07 PM · Report
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Jiffy Lube is a scam. I will never have my oil changed by this company again.

Earlier this year I drove my vehicle in for a $20 advertised oil change. They did not honor the on-line offer and told me it would be $80.00 but I would get a discount to make it $50.00. I was in a hurry and I left the vehicle and ran an errand. When I returned they demanded $80.00. When I complained they began to itemize the charges. When they reached the "It took half a quart more oil..." I cut the cashier off and reluctantly paid in digust.

Jiffy Lube: screw you.
Posted by shout fire in a crowded theater on November 17, 2011 at 11:45 AM · Report
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Jiffy Lube is a scam. I will never have my oil changed by this company again.

Earlier this year I drove my vehicle in for a $20 advertised oil change. They did not honor the on-line offer and told me it would be $80.00 but I would get a discount to make it $50.00. I was in a hurry and I left the vehicle and ran an errand. When I returned they demanded $80.00. When I complained they began to itemize the charges. When they reached the "It took half a quart more oil..." I cut the cashier off and reluctantly paid in digust.

Jiffy Lube: screw you.
Posted by shout fire in a crowded theater on November 17, 2011 at 11:43 AM · Report
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Used engine oil is recycled, so there's that.

I had a mechanic at Jiffy Lube tell me my oil was fine and come back in another 3k miles once, no charge. That was pretty cool.
Posted by netcrusher88 on November 17, 2011 at 11:09 AM · Report
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The other oil-change criterion is time. Your owner's manual probably states both distance and time intervals ("5,000 miles or six months") for recommended changes. I typically drive only about 2000 miles a year, so I base my oil changes on the calendar, not the odometer.
Posted by nicksdad on November 17, 2011 at 9:04 AM · Report
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@8. I'm disabled. I live in a podunk area where the nearest DECENT doctors are about 75 miles away. Yeah...unless I want to spend all day on buses, or a week on a bike, sure, I can afford to be fleeced. Think before speaking. Not everyone lives in downtown Seattle 5 blocks from work, with bike paths and bus runs (let alone taxis). You'd die of culture shock here.
Posted by cattycat on November 17, 2011 at 12:40 AM · Report
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I KNEW there was a logical reason not to take my baby to Jiffy-Lube!
Posted by auntie grizelda on November 16, 2011 at 11:24 PM · Report
TVDinner 15
I let those fuckers talk me into the higher grade oil, which they told me wouldn't need to be changed until 5,000 miles. Then they told me I had to bring it in at 3,000 for a change, because the filter needed changing. Lying sacks of shit.

We take it elsewhere now.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on November 16, 2011 at 11:07 PM · Report
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@4, exactly. When the oil turns black, it is holding the gunk and carbon in suspension that would otherwise be clogging the engine. Oil turns black quickly, so changing oil when it turns black is stupid. I own a 1987 Mazda B2000, which I have owned since 1996, with 259,000 miles on it, and it's still going strong (and it's my only car). I change the oil in it every 5,000 miles, which is more frequently than the recommended 7,500 miles, but as for the rest of the service intervals, I just go by the owner's manual (I do my own maintenance and repairs, as I have an Associate's Degree in Diesel Technology, but I don't currently work in that trade). The truck is awesomely reliable, and I will easily take it to 300,000 miles. These days, cars are fuel injected, and there is less unburned gasoline going into the oil, as there was when cars were carbureted. With less fuel going into the oil, the oil doesn't dilute as rapidly as it used to, so you can go longer than 3,000 miles without an oil change. Basically, with the electronically controlled fuel injected engines, a more precise amount of fuel is injected into the combustion chamber than used to be. With mechanically controlled fuel injection and carburation, there is a tendency for excess gasoline to go into the crankcase and dilute the crankcase oil. That is why on older cars, it was advisable to change the oil more frequently. Plus, these days, the oil you put into your crankcase is being continually chemically engineered to make it more stable. The American Petroleum Institute is always trying to perfect motor oil. That said, I think the oil companies are a bunch of assholes, as I work for one. Bring on sustainable renewable energy!
Posted by Smell on November 16, 2011 at 10:35 PM · Report
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While the general point of this article is a good one, there are some pretty big holes in it, which Manicmechanic summed up quite well. Basically what you need to know is that these days, NOBODY is on your side when it comes to car maintenance. Oil change places are probably always going to rip you off and say 3k miles, and auto manufacturers only care about getting through the warranty period, and subsequently will recommend insanely lofty service intervals, knowing that most cars can put with with major neglect for about 5-6 years. If you've ever compared the inside of an engine that had a lifetime of 10k+ mile oil change intervals versus one that received 5k mile oil change intervals, you will come to understand that the super extended service intervals recommended in many owners manuals often contribute to an unhealthy engine.

If you don't feel comfortable changing your own oil, take your car to a locally owned, independent shop. Brendan, I think it would be helpful if you found a way to post some of the points I made in the email I sent to you earlier today.
Posted by ZeGerman on November 16, 2011 at 8:45 PM · Report
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@# 10 these morons will never get it , they can't afford a car anyway most of them because they are students , or hippies or both . i work in construction , and most of the places i go don't have bus service let alone streets . and the 300 some odd pounds of tools i lug around not to mention the cooler , lunch box etc would be impossible on the bus . let us not forget they wanna toll and jam up the freeways , and raise tab prices for the worthless ass bus that's all-way's late and never goes where you wanna go . god forbid they pay what a ride should really cost to make it self supporting . its all-way's the working man payin for the worthless bum's in their book . yet they are so smug about how "green " they are yet the only green they have is in the bong and not in the wallet .
Posted by whatsbeckgottadowithit on November 16, 2011 at 8:27 PM · Report
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You need to quit sniffing exhaust fumes. By your analogy of how much oil we're wasting, at $100 per barrel you're implying that oil cost alone for that 2002 Civic is nearing $200. When he says "it" breaks down, he's talking about the oil, you doofus. Not saying I think that's the case, but jesus...
Posted by I love my Bugatti on November 16, 2011 at 7:24 PM · Report
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@8: I'm a self-employed picture framer and I "need" my car for work. I'd like to see you carry a 60lb. box of glass on your bicycle. Or bring a 10 foot stick of moulding onto the bus.
Posted by meso on November 16, 2011 at 7:21 PM · Report
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The Honda dealership I occasionally take my Honda to recommends changing the oil every 3750 miles, which I've always done because I notice it improves the gas mileage slightly. Now I will probably wait longer and just do it myself. My car never leaked a drop of oil until I took it to Jiffy Boob. They didn't tighten the drain bolt enough. I'll never go there again.
Posted by meso on November 16, 2011 at 7:16 PM · Report
Cato the Younger Younger 8
If you are a person who "needs" a car then you probably can afford to be fleeced like this.

And yes, the auto industry is filled with crooks. Everyone remember Huling Brothers in West Seattle a few years back?
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on November 16, 2011 at 5:29 PM · Report
the duster 7
Last time I got an oil change at Jiffy Lube there was a woman who brought her car in after 1,000 miles. Another woman that worked there straight up told her "You don't need an oil change." The woman replied that she was going on a road trip to San Francisco (roughly 1600 miles total). The worker let her know that even then she didn't need an oil change. The road trip woman then INSISTED that they change her oil. My head was on the verge of imploding until I got to tell the Jiffy Lubers to kick rocks when they recommended all sorts of addons to my POS car, I like doing that.

In sum, this is one of the most important articles in the history of the Stranger. Thanks Brendan.
Posted by the duster on November 16, 2011 at 3:57 PM · Report
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BTW, the Honda dealership does the same thing despite the fact that the manual actually recommends 10,000 miles.
Posted by F on November 16, 2011 at 3:00 PM · Report
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 5
@1
Basically, what I get from the article & your response is that anyone involved in the selling of cars & car maintenance products is a liar. If I want accurate information, the last person to trust is someone involved in the industry. Like a mechanic, for example.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on November 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM · Report
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@ 1. From "Top 7 Urban Legends about Motor Oil" at Edmunds.com.

4. Check the oil on the dipstick. If it's black, change the oil. Experts say this is a myth, as is the related notion that you can identify spent oil by smell. "That is old school," says Kristen Huff, vice president of Blackstone Laboratories in Fort Wayne, Indiana. "Oil is meant to get dark — it means it's doing its job," she says. As GM's Matt Snider says in this video, different additives change the oil's color. The bottom line: Black oil still has plenty of life left in it.
Posted by Brendan Kiley on November 16, 2011 at 1:58 PM · Report
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Toothpaste should be used in "pea sized" amounts according to the ADA. But ads show big gloppy amounts five times that. The "purell mom" trend does more harm than good according to a lot of recent studies. Lying and misleading are almost universal in consumer-goods marketing.

As for oil changes, you can bet the company doesn't want to cut its business 50%.

Personally I solve it by not having a car.
Posted by mhays on November 16, 2011 at 1:43 PM · Report
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Wow. Way to close with a quote from a PR schmuck. Also, way to make all your contacts but one over the phone. "Yep, got this puppy knocked out in three hours, now it's time for lunch. Ahhhhhhh."
Posted by Anonymous Commenter on November 16, 2011 at 1:32 PM · Report
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Sorry but I don't agree, as an independent repair shop owner with 35 years experience in the auto trade here's my take on this. Carmakers have increased service intervals in many instances to make their cost of maintenance look low, furthermore they are competing with each other for the lowest cost of maintenance. I have seen historically what engine oil looks like after 3000 miles of stop and go grocery getting mileage, it is coal black and looks spent. Another factor is if synthetic oil is called for it does last longer and can have a 5 to 7 thousand mile interval with no problems.Regular type oil doesn't last that long. Carmakers don't care about the ultimate longevity of your vehicle, their only concern is making it past the warranty period. If you really care about your car, take it to an independent, certified repair shop and not skippy lube, the employees are generally young, inexperienced and prone to making mistakes.
Posted by manicmechanic on November 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM · Report

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