RE: banning music in public schools.

Kids will listen to whatever they want on headphones, banned or not. Will they even care at all if rap, religious music, and talk shows are banned from being played out loud at school?

Vince Lombardi High School in Puyallup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhRALq8I…

@1: And all manners and empathy for others be damed.

Perhaps a sharp eyed editor will see that the transit station is actually opening in "ANGLE" Lake, not "Angel".

Angle Lake

@3,

Is that you, Bailo?

@3: that definition of religion is bollocks.

Um, how about just headphones only? Nothing should be played aloud. I assume some kids are trying to study.

@6, fixed. thanks. i really would have never caught that.

@3 wrote;

"note: even evolution, which is non-theistic has many super-natural beliefs, i.e. not observable or testable in nature, therefore "super" or "beyond" or "outside" nature and supernatural"

BULLSHIT. Evolution is directly observable and testable. This is one of those idiot creationist arguments that never seems to die. No matter how often and thoroughly it is destroyed it re-imerges from the grave to lurch around the countryside frightening children and making us all stupider just by hearing it.

It's a bad idea to ban religious music. The God botherers already have a persecution complex to begin with, there's no need to actually provide one, especially in a heathen haven like Portland. I mean, the music is awful, and no one should listen to it (same with country), but when you outlaw it, you only make it more intriguing, and Christian music is anything but.

@3: You're trolling, right? You're not honestly this ignorant? Because you must have seen news stories like this, or read the NatGeo article about it, because you live in the Information Age, and you care about being informed. And you must have some level of understanding about dog breed development, or fruit flies, and their value as test subjects. Jesus Christ, man, this level of ignorance can only happen if it's willful, so I'm assuming you're just trolling.

@1,10 - School BUSES, people, the music ban affects PDX school BUSES, not classrooms or the cafeteria. Crikey.

And yeah, they should just ban all music except Jazz or Ambient. Or Nature Sounds, like water trickling down a mountain stream... Or the wind rushing through the tops of trees... Or whalesong...

Or the fukkin Auroral Chorus.

But the truth of the matter is we shouldn't care so much about the cost of building this and future stations. In the long run, the benefits of this system will far surpass the value of the money we put into it.

Wait, what? Are you serious? Money doesn't matter when it comes to trains, because trains are magic? What nonsense. We only have so much money we can spend. Education, day care, health and human services and yes, even buses are way underfunded, but you think it is OK to just spend money anywhere on trains.

This from the same guy who wrote a heartless article about OSO because it represents one of the "bad infinities" that are no longer sustainable (sprawl). Hey Charles -- OSO isn't sprawl. But the area around this station is. If this train stop really became popular, it would be because thousands of people from the surrounding area are driving from their suburban home to the station, then riding the train into the city (instead of living in it). It is highly unlikely this will reduce global warming. But don't worry, very few people will ride the train from this area (since they "only" added 1,000 parking spots). So this will merely be one in a series of steps that Sound Transit has made to try to cater to suburban interests, while screwing over folks in the city. You might want to ask yourself why Angle Lake (which is so obscure you never heard of it) is getting a station, while there are no plans to provide the Central Area or First Hill with them. To quote some great graffiti: New trains for the suburbs, new grates for the homeless.

Why is there even music on school buses? I didn't remember ever having any--just noisy schoolmates.

So it may become affordable to live in Vancouver now? Good to know...good to know.

Awesome, but also extremely sad that they even had to say this: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016…

@16: You're the one extrapolating an intentionally vague definition of religion into a justification that evolution has supernatural elements and can't be proven, despite me having just provided you multiple concrete, observable, recent examples that it can.

No mention that today is the 100th anniversary of the founding of the National Parks service either, what has been called America's Best Idea. This seems like kind of a big deal, but I suppose I might be biased, given that I grew up near Glacier National Park.

So the foreign investors will start buying up homes in Bellingham and Seattle with cash and leave them empty now? Great, push for ordinance to house homeless people in all empty homes, at least for the winter.

@23: seattle, probably, but not b-ham. they're not stupid.

@25 "Hitchens"? Are you getting your cosmology from Christopher Hitchens? I think I see part of the problem here.

Anyway, sure, theorizing details of the first nanosecond of the universe is going to get speculative. But speculation doesn't require faith. What would require faith is if I wanted to declare myself 100% certain an inflationary model is accurate and implies specific constraints on allowable birth control. But I have no need to be certain about that. It's okay not to know. Do you feel that if science doesn't explain just how the universe came to be, that God wins the match by default?

Science isn't about holding a *different* creation story than Genesis to be the complete truth, it's about not having a complete truth.

@facts2supportURpoint

So, you're going to completely ignore all those examples I provided, then. So you're not interested in intellectual honesty then. Fine. I'll forgo the courtesy, since you've proven you don't deserve it.

@25: Evolution is biology. The Big Bang is cosmology.

THESE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FIELDS OF STUDY.*

The Big Bang is not even what you're referring to. You're actually confusing evolution and abiogenesis. This speaks volumes about your scientific illiteracy. The fact that it sounds like you're also quoting from the "Wedge Strategy" of Intelligent Design with the public debate on ideas to "compete for adherents from the population" isn't helping your case.

@28: Now who's the one that doesn't understand definitions?** The definition of a scientific theory is miles and miles away from the colloquial usage. They're practically antonyms.

@29: The study of truth is philosophy,*** which is not even in the same ballpark as biology or cosmology. You're conflating "hard" science with "soft" science.

It's like Tim Minchin was thinking of you specifically when he wrote "Storm."

*YOU IGNORANT TWIT

**It was always you.

***Science has no use for "truth," science only deals in facts.

Keep in mind that my only training in any of this is a high school diploma and an Internet connection. Please, for the sake of my entertainment, engage on this topic with one of the professionals in these fields that frequents SLOG, like Venomlash.