And the people banned would have still been banned, and more countries would most likely have been added to the list. Not to mention it would simply have emboldened SCROTUS to come up with even crazier ideas for EO's. Stopping him in his tracks NOW kills some of the momentum for this - and probably has Bannon stomping about in an unbridled furniture-throwing tantrum, which in itself would be enough to warrant the court's action.
@1, under this administration, it isn't a matter of conscience, it's whether you want a job or not. Who knows, it may be whether you want to live or not. Trump does admire the Russian who's had a number of his opponents killed.
This is still a win for Trump.
He can go to his voters and claim the crooked liberal judiciary thwarted his efforts to keep America safe.
And if there is ever a terrorist act committed by anyone who came from one of the seven countries he has someone to blame; the left, the judiciary, the ACLU, etc.
Viva le Resistance! Thanks, Sydney--your update made my day.
Constitution= 1
Trumpzilla= 0
@15 We have to keep on resisting Trumpzilla's reign of tyranny, Sarah, for truth, democracy and the good of all people as well as this planet to prevail.
2. The President's actions are not unconstitutional.
3. We are pointing out that politically it is a no-lose for Trump and a no-win for his opponents.
If the courts overturn the President's restrictions he can blame the courts and the left for keeping him from fulfilling his promise, and if an attack by someone from the countries he attempted to 'super-vet' occurs he will have a massive propaganda tool; think Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez x 1 million.
If the restrictions are upheld he got to fulfill his promise.
The left either thwarts Trump's efforts to protect us (in the eyes of his supporters) or lose a fight they made high profile.
So far it is the super leftist almost-always-overturned 9th District judges vs. Trump and that is a fight that makes Trump look like a hero to his base.
Plus the whole affair reminds half the country that the judiciary is leftist and activist, actively fighting against the values that half of the country holds; a nice backdrop to the consideration of Trump's Supreme Court choice.
The seven countries President Trump targeted were already identified during the previous administration as threats to America, and individuals who even just travelled to and from them were subject to special scrutiny and restrictions.
President Trump's order is just an expansion of policies in place and instituted during the Obama Administration.
Did President Obama single out and discriminate against Muslims?
@27
No one cares about the fucking optics of the decision to the right. It was a shit order that dehumanized immigrants and refuges and it needed to be and should be stopped by whatever legal means possible wherever possible. Take your 'fallen right into thier hands' wankery to Alex Jones.
@27 goes 0 for 3 in his (her?) analysis. I read the decision and it appears the gubmint lawyers were just plain fucking lazy and a little sneaky. Taking a page from trumplethinskin, they deliberately misquote a previous decision to try to twist it to their benefit. I find myself wondering if a more conservative court would have overlooked that and accepted their bullshit argument. Probably, but at least our superfuckingliberal 9th circuit opted to call it out in their decision. So embarrassing to have this tool and his band of lying, gum swallowing weirdos in charge.
I love how people believe and act so superior in Washington State when they believe they have won something. Too bad, that they never really or truely think events out to their logical conclusions or the ultimate harm the future can hold on both sides of the equation. But this is what happens when liberal social justice warriors rush in where fools fear to tread and do their jobs half-assed and poorly planned.
The Ninth Circuit court is overturned about 80% of the time, not 86%, since there seems to be some confusion.
Trump could just repeal the executive order and reissue one that takes out the restrictions on those who hold visas/green cards, and the order would be much more "bulletproof" so to speak.
The constitution gives the executive branch very broad powers when dealing with immigration and naturalization, and there is precedence for halting or slowing immigration from these certain areas based on several of Obama's actions, and many past presidents as well.
More interesting perhaps is that SCOTUS would likely overturn the Ninth Circuit's ruling, as it typically does, but with a vacant seat, a 4-4 tie would default to the lower court's ruling, making it even more appealing for Dems to delay or block Trumps SCOTUS nominations.
#9 & #2 best enjoy their 'victory' whilst they can because each could not be more wrong. The matter is in fact unreviewable, as a first-year law student can tell you. SCOTUS will indeed uphold Trump, and the Ninth will undergo a sea change in its membership over the next several years.
"The Ninth Circuit has the second highest reversal rate at 80%."
I think the confusion may be that you assume I am stating that out of ALL cases, 80% get reversed, but of course I meant that when a case from the Ninth makes the Supreme Court, it is reversed 80% of the time. As per your link.
@40: Are you implying that there have been no terrorist attacks in the US under Obama's tenure? I mean, not that I am saying it is Obama's fault or a Right/Left issue or anything, but that is not true, if that is what you mean.
@43: Not if you think the case will make the Supreme Court, it isn't. Which is what we are obviously talking about, since cases can not be reversed on their own, or through magic.
@45: Oh, well if we are only talking 9/11 scale attacks, then of course not.
Although interestingly enough, I learned from the FBI website that Americans getting arrested and charged for providing "material support" to ISIL/ISIS happens way more often than you would think. Numerous cases just since the beginning of the new year.
@44: And since a minuscule number of cases make it to the Supreme Court, your 80% stat is total bullshit. Either you're stupid or a right-wing troll. Or both.
Well how bout this intersting fact that happened this week!!
- U.S. federal immigration agents arrested hundreds of undocumented immigrants in at least four states this week. The Atlanta federal immigration agents, which covers three states, arrested 200 people. There were 161 arrested in the Los Angeles area. Its noted that 151 of the 161 immigrants that were arrested in the Los Angeles all have have criminal records, and five of them had prior deportation orders.
Well, that didn't take long...
Will be very interesting to see how Wall Street responds tomorrow
My bet?
Stock market will skyrocket.
And the people banned would have still been banned, and more countries would most likely have been added to the list. Not to mention it would simply have emboldened SCROTUS to come up with even crazier ideas for EO's. Stopping him in his tracks NOW kills some of the momentum for this - and probably has Bannon stomping about in an unbridled furniture-throwing tantrum, which in itself would be enough to warrant the court's action.
Baby Trump got spanked!
Constitution 1
Tyranny 0
He can go to his voters and claim the crooked liberal judiciary thwarted his efforts to keep America safe.
And if there is ever a terrorist act committed by anyone who came from one of the seven countries he has someone to blame; the left, the judiciary, the ACLU, etc.
Constitution= 1
Trumpzilla= 0
@15 We have to keep on resisting Trumpzilla's reign of tyranny, Sarah, for truth, democracy and the good of all people as well as this planet to prevail.
What are we looking at?
Congratulations.
It seems the more you win the more Republicans America elects.
1. It isn't a ban on Muslims.
2. The President's actions are not unconstitutional.
3. We are pointing out that politically it is a no-lose for Trump and a no-win for his opponents.
If the courts overturn the President's restrictions he can blame the courts and the left for keeping him from fulfilling his promise, and if an attack by someone from the countries he attempted to 'super-vet' occurs he will have a massive propaganda tool; think Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez x 1 million.
If the restrictions are upheld he got to fulfill his promise.
The left either thwarts Trump's efforts to protect us (in the eyes of his supporters) or lose a fight they made high profile.
So far it is the super leftist almost-always-overturned 9th District judges vs. Trump and that is a fight that makes Trump look like a hero to his base.
Plus the whole affair reminds half the country that the judiciary is leftist and activist, actively fighting against the values that half of the country holds; a nice backdrop to the consideration of Trump's Supreme Court choice.
The left is playing into his hands.
President Trump's order is just an expansion of policies in place and instituted during the Obama Administration.
Did President Obama single out and discriminate against Muslims?
Of course not.
And neither does Trump's order.
@26 GermanSausage: Ignore him--he's trolling.
No one cares about the fucking optics of the decision to the right. It was a shit order that dehumanized immigrants and refuges and it needed to be and should be stopped by whatever legal means possible wherever possible. Take your 'fallen right into thier hands' wankery to Alex Jones.
Trump could just repeal the executive order and reissue one that takes out the restrictions on those who hold visas/green cards, and the order would be much more "bulletproof" so to speak.
The constitution gives the executive branch very broad powers when dealing with immigration and naturalization, and there is precedence for halting or slowing immigration from these certain areas based on several of Obama's actions, and many past presidents as well.
More interesting perhaps is that SCOTUS would likely overturn the Ninth Circuit's ruling, as it typically does, but with a vacant seat, a 4-4 tie would default to the lower court's ruling, making it even more appealing for Dems to delay or block Trumps SCOTUS nominations.
A first year law student wouldn't know their ass from an a posteriori argument...
Not weird in the least. Much of their belief system is based on invoking states of fear and terror as a means to justify their actions.
"The Ninth Circuit has the second highest reversal rate at 80%."
I think the confusion may be that you assume I am stating that out of ALL cases, 80% get reversed, but of course I meant that when a case from the Ninth makes the Supreme Court, it is reversed 80% of the time. As per your link.
Although interestingly enough, I learned from the FBI website that Americans getting arrested and charged for providing "material support" to ISIL/ISIS happens way more often than you would think. Numerous cases just since the beginning of the new year.
- U.S. federal immigration agents arrested hundreds of undocumented immigrants in at least four states this week. The Atlanta federal immigration agents, which covers three states, arrested 200 people. There were 161 arrested in the Los Angeles area. Its noted that 151 of the 161 immigrants that were arrested in the Los Angeles all have have criminal records, and five of them had prior deportation orders.