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Thursday, July 30, 2009

15th Ave. Coffee & Tea Inspired by Starbucks: "Doomed"?

Posted by on Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:34 AM

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Yes, says a blogger for Harvard Business Publishing:

...there's no way a corporate coffee chain can create an authentic neighborhood coffeehouse experience... Faking it is not a good strategy in bed or in retail... the clumsy cloak-and-dagger of how this "independent" store's status was handled leaves such a foul taste that I can only assume it will go the way of Circadia, Starbucks' failed, late-90s attempt at a similarly funky neighborhood coffeehouse that sold booze.

Howard, stop fiddling with these distractions. Focus on improving the core.

I'm no "internationally recognized thought leader on user experience" like this guy is, and I hope that he's right, but I'm not at all convinced. It seems as if these faux-independent cafes, deployed in the right markets, could do just fine for Starbucks. The people that are vehemently anti-Starbucks anyway still won't go (at least as long as they're aware that the cafes are actually Starbuckses; a little extra profit will be made just by fooling people). But his premise assumes a value placed on authenticity. What is authentic? A hunt-club pub with burlap walls and creepy and wonderful taxidermied birds, opened a couple years ago in the middle of Seattle by a woman from Montana?

There's a percentage of the population that's rabidly anti-corporate and pro-independent-business, but the majority of people (even upscale urbanites) just don't care that much. The entire, and entirely successful, Urban Outfitters concept is served-up-for-you, mass-market-hip, and everybody buys that (even though U.O.'s president allegedly pulled a pro-same sex marriage T-shirt from inventory and definitely has contributed funds to hideous Republicans such as senator Rick Santorum). Faking it is, in fact, a tried-and-true strategy, depending on what it is you want to accomplish.

The "foul taste" above generated a ton of publicity, with Starbucks finding many defenders (as in comments here). And the public tends to forget such foul tastes fairly immediately, the minute the next flavor of the month comes along.

If it looks good (and most people, like over at Seattle Metblogs, think that it does*), and the coffee's better (and it should be, since shots are hand-pulled and drip's made to order in your choice of three different ways), and it has yummy, fresh, locally made pastries and so forth (check), then it avoids the problems most people in upscale urban neighborhoods have with Starbucks: not that it's Starbucks, per se, but that it's plasticky, unwelcoming for hanging out, and not that good.

It won't work everywhere, but that's not the plan. And sure, Starbucks needs to address its bigger problems. But 15th Ave. Coffee & Tea Inspired by Starbucks seems like a pretty smart adaptation to a specific environment, with lots of research and planning; it seems like the kind of "agility" that a thought-leader-on-user-experience might just as easily praise.

They should probably skip the poetry readings, though.

*To me it looks like they tried way too hard—it's evident that it's interior decor by committee, purposefully using all the upscale-independent-coffee-house tropes, rather than the product of one (or a few) actual independent minds. But, as I said, most people think it looks good, because most people just aren't all that particular: A close-enough facsimile is as good as the real thing.

Via the Seattle Times.

Photo of fake Howard Schultz from the opening day protests.

 

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Baconcat 1
Fire the employees and make sure they never serve coffee in this town again.
Posted by Baconcat on July 30, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Julie in Eugene 2
Faking it is definitely a tried-and-true strategy for all the fake Irish pubs in Chicago. Call your bar "Celtic" something or other, put up that map of Ireland with all the clans on the wall, have Guinness and maybe Smithwick's on tap, and you've got yourself an "authentic" pub.
Posted by Julie in Eugene on July 30, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Abby 3
@2: I think that's true for fake Irish pubs everywhere, from Chicago to Prague.
Posted by Abby on July 30, 2009 at 9:42 AM
giffy 4
Considering we are not in Ireland all Irish pubs are fake.

But yeah 99% of people care much more about whether they like a place and much less about who owns it or whether they are local and they are right.
Posted by giffy on July 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM
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I think that you guys may have just given Starbucks their next Big Idea.
Posted by Farts Weird on July 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM
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In a way I'm kind of glad Starbucks did this thing on 15th. It's gross, but it made me ask some old questions in new ways, and I guess the conclusion I came to is that the whole aesthetic is kind of bullshit.

It's all basically an imitation of an economic phenomenon that was unique to the late 1960s and early 70s; specifically, the abandonment of the cities by the upper and middle classes and the massive economic and stylistic rush toward "modern" on the part of those people who moved to the suburbs. The upshot was that poor people and (poor) artists were left sitting in abandoned cities with collapsing economies, surrounded by what amounted to cast-off antiques; junk yards full of cast-iron bathtubs and beautiful old fixtures from Victorian apartment buildings. Two good examples of this kind of thing making its way into popular culture would be Fat Albert and Sanford & Son. When I was a kid my dad and I were on welfare, and we had what would now be tens of thousands of dollars worth of antiques that we pulled out of empty or abandoned buildings and landfills. That was our aesthetic, but it was a default aesthetic created by a massive socio-economic flux.

Now, people try to recapture that aesthetic because it feels more "authentic"; it reminds of us of our childhoods, and of, basically, the last time that anything interesting was happening in cities, before gentrification and the sifting effect that turned New York into fucking Disneyland. But that time has come and gone, and Linda, and the customers in Smith, have no more authentic claim to that aesthetic than Starbucks does. All those 1970s places are basically dioramas.
Posted by Judah http://www.suoxi.net on July 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM
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There are enough people who still think SBC is an alternative to Starbucks instead of a subsidiary that I have no trouble believing the 15th format would do just fine so long as the coffee, food and overall ambiance are good.
Posted by PA Native on July 30, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Fnarf 8
@4, there are, or used to be, "authentic" irish pubs in crappy parts of Boston, where large numbers of illegal immigrants from Ireland clustered in the 60s-80s. They look pretty much like "authentic" Irish pubs in Ireland, or "authentic" English pubs in England -- cheap paneling, formica, ripped naugahyde, cheesy electric Guinness signs.

I liked them better than the faux-historical ones that look like they're (and probably are) ordered straight out of a catalog, complete with dusty taxidermy, hurling gear, clay pipes, and other antique detritus pulled out of the thousands of real old Irish and British pubs that are being pulled down every day. Although a place like Fado or Murphy's is a decent place to slurp beer and watch soccer matches.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on July 30, 2009 at 10:14 AM
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New York = Disneyland?
I think you need to visit both for comparison.
Perhaps for the first time in one or both cases?
Posted by tiktok on July 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM
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I really hate starbucks, so for personal reasons will not go here. Regardless of all the connotations, I'm confused by this step because it is a street that is flooded with independant coffee shops. I think it will fail because they are imitating something that is already established. There's nothing standout different- why would they succeed in stealing business from Victrola or Ladro, which already make really good coffee?
Posted by sibley on July 30, 2009 at 10:20 AM
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@9

I have actually been to both New York and Disneyland.

And yes, compared to what it was in 1979, New York now is Disneyland (this opinion is nearly universal among people who have been in NY since 1979, or who lived there in 1979, left at some point, and have been back recently).

As far as that goes, the same could be said of Seattle -- in the late '70s it was a complicated but economically desolate working class town with a lot more income (and, consequently, ethnic and cultural) diversity than it has now. I don't necessarily miss those days -- contrary to popular opinion there's nothing romantic about grinding poverty -- but nobody who experienced them can deny that they are very very over, and that the aesthetic of those times is now reproduced only as caricature. Kind of like Main Street USA, in Disneyland.

Posted by Judah http://www.suoxi.net on July 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM
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I agree it should fail. 15th Ave needs more empty store fronts. And also get rid of those pesky jobs too!!

YIPEE!!
Posted by Who Needs Jobs? on July 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Matt from Denver 13
@ 10, this is a pilot. Although you raise my hopes that it will fail (because I don't want them moving into hip neighborhoods in other cities like mine with this faux-indie concept) we all know how much Seattle likes its coffee. An article I read (a long time ago, so it might not hold true) basically opined that, based on the evidence, Seattle's coffee market didn't seem to have a saturation point. We'll see if 15th Street does.
Posted by Matt from Denver on July 30, 2009 at 10:31 AM
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Fnarf @8, speaking of Boston, last time I was back there Dunkin' Donuts was running a successful ad campaign slamming Seattle hipster coffee drinkers with their pretentious, hoity toity espresso snobbery. I was amused at the idea that Bostonians (!) could ever have the balls to call anyone else on Earth snobs. I thought I heard their campaign worked, though, that Starbucks and the rest had been driven out of town in the same way that Dunkin' Donuts was driven out of the Seattle area...
Posted by Peter F on July 30, 2009 at 10:34 AM
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Can't you just let Group Health employees, patients, and patients' families have a nicer place to take their coffee breaks than the standard Starbucks?
Posted by SoSea Resident on July 30, 2009 at 10:36 AM
My Other Car's the Tardis 16
I think there's a slim chance the 15th Ave. Coffee & Tea gimmick could work, esp. in some smaller urban markets (e.g., Oklahoma City, LOL). The same people who'd frequent it for authenticity are the ones who shop at Urban Outfitters and Anthropologie for boho realness...
Posted by My Other Car's the Tardis on July 30, 2009 at 10:41 AM
GlennFleishman 17
Judah @6 is right on. I read an excellent pass on this a few years ago when some new kind of "rustic Italian pasta" was becoming hot. It went something like, the necessity of a previous generation to survive has become our chic rustic aesthetic.

Maybe menudo will become the next new thing.
Posted by GlennFleishman http://blog.glennf.com/ on July 30, 2009 at 10:42 AM
josh 18
I agree that it looks "good enough", not great (biggest stumbles are the the large corporate-chosen artwork, the philosophy wallpaper), but also not rising to the level of creepy calculation. My sense is that if a committee designed it, it was a smallish committee with decent intentions.

As I mentioned at Metblogs, I think that the true test is if it attracts enough people to become a comfortable place for hanging out. If so, the decor will get used, become slightly less shiny, and the place will become authentically worn-in. (fwiw, I find the the shiny new tables at victrola creepier than anything at 15th Ave c&t).
Posted by josh http://www.sciencevsromance.net on July 30, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Dozen to Play 19
very levelheaded post, BJC.

Halfway through I was like...what, has Dan Savage come to his senses (with the comment about Linda's "authentic" burlap walls) and eventually scrolled back up to see who it was by, because it couldn't be his normal histrionic take on it.
Posted by Dozen to Play on July 30, 2009 at 11:04 AM
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Nobody but a few navel-gazers care how this new coffeehouse came about its aesthetic.

Whether it succeeds or fails only depends on how they execute their day-to-day operations. Whether they give the people what they want. And what the people want has NOTHING to do with whether sbux "copied" or is "authentic" (wtf does that even mean these days?).

I live in the 'hood and I will continue to go to Victrola because I like Victrola but i will say this.

This new sbux incarnation is a huge improvement over the previous one. So, if this place is going to be a sbux no matter what, i think it's better now than it was before.
Posted by pffft on July 30, 2009 at 11:15 AM
in-frequent 21
re: irish pubs: but we are talking about is fake irish pubs in ireland. if we want to make the analogy work.

there may not be anything wrong with a fake irish pub unless the get it wrong (whatever that means), or if they are building it where there are already at least two real irish pubs. especially if those two pubs are in, say, ireland.
Posted by in-frequent on July 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM
in-frequent 22
oh, and each time i walk or drive by 15th ave coffee and tea there seems to be quite a few people inside. more than when it was a starbucks.... er... you know what i mean.
Posted by in-frequent on July 30, 2009 at 11:21 AM
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@15- they can always go to cafe ladro or victrola.
Posted by sibley on July 30, 2009 at 11:24 AM
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Maybe works in that location, but I don't think it will play in The Sticks. It's like McDonalds trying to pretend they're not McDonalds. Most people go there because they already know EXACTLY what they're getting.
Posted by Postum on July 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Jigae 25
@9: Seriously -- even the difference between 5 (much less 10) years ago and NYC feels like "theme big city." There are several dive-bar theme bars and the seediness of Time's Square is all but extinguished. Then there's "Hipsterville" connected to "Manhattanland" by the magical L train.

Judah's comparison is much much more apt than you might think.
Posted by Jigae on July 30, 2009 at 6:56 PM
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One reason it was so crowded is because i'm pretty sure its the only coffeeshop on 15th with air conditioning. And they are building a rather neat greenhouse-style patio which I'm guessing will be nice in the winter.

They don't need to put these in the sticks or anywhere else, this is the most potentially positive press Starbucks has gotten in forever. People are going to come from all over to find it. i think its a smart idea and a very comfortable spot with good service.
Posted by Dianaa on July 30, 2009 at 7:58 PM

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