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Posted by Bethany Jean Clement on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Soon-to-be college senior Jake is asking for online donations to pay for his gastric bypass surgery. From his story:
...I don't write this to frighten you, or me (although it does), or to elicit your pity—I need to give you some idea of what I'm working with. I, like many of my excessively-overweight peers, don't spend my life committed to losing weight. I spend my life living, inking out an existence the same as you, but under the persistent heaviness of health, of society, of normalcy, of 600 pounds. Those who dare to know me, know that I am young, ambitious, and ready to take things head-on. I’m a part of many clubs, work through and with various departments on campus, and help to lead my peers on a daily basis. Did I mention that I'm also a drag queen?
So far he's raised $2,610.77 of his $60,000 goal.
Photo from mybypasssurgery.com.
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Tell him to ask Dick Cheney to donate.
I'm sure the tin foil birther brigade would love to help as well ...
I'm sure the tin foil birther brigade would love to help as well ...
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Talking points of Will in Seattle:
1) FTW!!! FTW!!! FTW!!!
2) Tin foil birther brigade!!!!
3) I went to Burning Man!
Enough, Will. You're an aging, unfunny dork. We get it.
Find a new schtick.
1) FTW!!! FTW!!! FTW!!!
2) Tin foil birther brigade!!!!
3) I went to Burning Man!
Enough, Will. You're an aging, unfunny dork. We get it.
Find a new schtick.
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With that much money already in her purse she could hire a personal trainer, nutritionist, and a therapist. I'm just sayin'...
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I don't write this to frighten you, or me (although it does), or to elicit your pity
Mission accomplished!
Mission accomplished!
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wow. is it the anonymity that makes you all this horrible or are you actually this cruel? holy shit!
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I'm kind of surprised that she is so upfront: "I, like many of my excessively-overweight peers, don't spend my life committed to losing weight." Makes the gastric bypass seem like an easy way out, when in reality it should be a last ditch effort after lifestyle changes. This is a major surgery she's talking about.
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@John M - you don't know what you're talking about. Sounds to me like someone is projecting his own problems onto people. You clearly took a close look at the website and realized what a worthy individual, leader, and artist Jake is and that all he wants is an enormous cake. Because that will amke him much ahppier than being able to walk, sleep, or
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If you don't spend your life committed to losing weight, and you weigh 600 pounds, maybe you should start spending at least part of your life committed to losing weight?
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@ 11 - I know what you mean. I was thinking that all the gay stuff here on SLOG has influenced the het readership to where they're now comfortable with this kind of gender fluidity.
Next thing you know, we're going to see the straight bois here commenting "Mary, please..."
Next thing you know, we're going to see the straight bois here commenting "Mary, please..."
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"...I don't spend my life committed to losing weight." Neither did/do I, but I still managed to lose the weight. It's called self-discipline. It's not going to go away overnight, but you keep working at it. At my heaviest, I probably weighed up to 260 pounds. After I got off my lazy ass and worked out and cut all the junk food out of my life, I was able to bring my weight down to (recently) 197.8 pounds. Did I turn my weight loss into "my life"? Hell no. Granted, I know that I was never 600 pounds. That's besides the point.
The surgery may help, but you have to still exercise and be healthy. It's not the end-all-answer to your problem. And don't wait for your life to begin until you've lost the weight...many have made that mistake (myself included).
The surgery may help, but you have to still exercise and be healthy. It's not the end-all-answer to your problem. And don't wait for your life to begin until you've lost the weight...many have made that mistake (myself included).
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There is a huge difference between 600 pounds and 260. Once you get that large it is no longer a matter of eating right and exercising. I lived with Jake for seven months, so I can tell you that his diet is better balanced then most people that I know, and he does not eat to excess. He is remarkable active, but has bad knees, and the amount of effort that it takes for him to do simple things that the rest of us take for granted is beyond the scope of most people's imaginations.
As for the quip about how much money he has raised, his website has been up for less then a week. I would love to see someone else raise over $2500 that quickly
As for the quip about how much money he has raised, his website has been up for less then a week. I would love to see someone else raise over $2500 that quickly
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He really should spend the money on some natural food, a dietitian and, later, a fitness trainer.
Gastric bypass is a sad symbol of our society: We have so little self control that fat people have to get a surgeon to cut their stomachs out.
Gastric bypass is a sad symbol of our society: We have so little self control that fat people have to get a surgeon to cut their stomachs out.
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I called her 'She' because she is one. It's a technical jargon specifically for the gays.
@14 "all the gay stuff here on SLOG has influenced the het readership to where they're now comfortable with this kind of gender fluidity."
Absolutely dreadful isn't it?
@14 "all the gay stuff here on SLOG has influenced the het readership to where they're now comfortable with this kind of gender fluidity."
Absolutely dreadful isn't it?
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I support you Jake! You have a wild and precious life to live!!!! You deserve this surgery because you have lived your life serving and helping others in your community I hope some of them will return the favor and help you out! I know I will....
GOOD LUCK!
GOOD LUCK!
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Also, re: bad knees, bad hips, bad anything... once you get that overweight, your body can't handle the strain of carrying it, so it breaks down. Yet, without activity, your metabolism slows down. And the vicious cycle begins.
Jake, however, CAN lose this weight without cutting out his stomach. He needs to cut pretty much all fat from his diet and as many sugars as reasonably possible, and eat a reduced calorie diet until he can physically carry himself again and can begin some sort of consistent, relatively rigorous exercise program.
Jake, however, CAN lose this weight without cutting out his stomach. He needs to cut pretty much all fat from his diet and as many sugars as reasonably possible, and eat a reduced calorie diet until he can physically carry himself again and can begin some sort of consistent, relatively rigorous exercise program.
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So basically, they want you to give them money so that they to can enjoy the fun world of these common side effects of WLS:
Dehydration, Chronic Vomiting and Nausea, Stroke, Heart Attack, Arrhythmia, Kidney stones, Kidney Failure, Liver Failure, Anemia, Deficiencies (B-12,potassium, iron, B-1, B-6, etc.), Non absorption of supplements (calcium, minerals, nutrients from food) or medications, Blurred Vision, Muscle and Bone Pain, Loss of Teeth, Bleeding Gums, Rotting Teeth requiring Root Canals or extraction, Hypoglycemia, Headaches, Black outs/Seizures, Lactose Intolerance, Injury to Spleen during surgery, Coma, Paralysis/Blindness after coma, Osteoporosis and/or Metabolic Bone Disease, Burst or leaky Pouch, Lupus, MS and/or other Auto-Immune Disease, Looped or twisted Intestines, Ruptured Esophagus from vomiting, distended esophagus (most patients have this - this can turn into a rupture or hernia), Misfired Stapler during surgery, Ulcers, Pneumonia/Lung Problems, Arthritis, Weakness and Fatigue from Malnutrition, Overall Pain, Food Blocking Stoma Causing Severe Pain, Stoma Needing Repeated stretching (by endoscopy), Neuropathy, Beri Beri, Put on Feeding Tubes/PICC Lines, Fibromyalgia and/or Chronic Fatigue syndrome (CFS), Fistulas, Atrophy of Muscles, Hair Loss, incisional Hernias (even with laparoscopic procedures - Carnie Wilson has had several hernias for example), Blood Clots, Leaks, Peritonitis, Heart Burn/Gerd/Acid Reflux, Bowel Obstructions, Gallstones and Gallbladder Removal, Severe Depression, Anxiety, Loss of Memory and/or "Brain fog", Poor Concentration, Irregular Blood Pressure, Rectal hernia, Opening Of Outer Incision-Needing Packing Until Healed From The Inside Out, Insomnia/Sleep Disorders, Unintentional Anorexia and/or Bulimia, Gas and/or malodorous feces, Silent Stroke, Vertigo, abnormalities in defecation, either going too often or not going often enough and/or fecal impaction and/or fecal incontinence or anal leakage.
And after all that, do you think you'll be forever skinny? Hell no... within 10 years almost 50% of WLS victims have gained back most or all of the weight they initially lost... and often some extra to boot! And it's not like the surgery makes you 'thin' even if it works perfectly... you can expect to only lose 40-50% of your *excess* weight. Not your total weight, just 40-50% of the weight over your "ideal". For most people, ideal is roughly 150lbs, which means this person could expect to lose 180 to 225 lbs... meaning even AFTER going through all this, they would at their lowest weight still be almost 400lbs.
Seems to me, getting a doctor to actually correctly diagnose whatever fucked up thyroid condition they have would be better. Unless they really are somehow managing to consume over 6,200 calories a day... which is theoretically possible if they can somehow drink three of those 32oz chocolate oreo shake things. Personally, that would make me vomit just from the sheer mass of over 6lbs of shake ~gag~. Or, based on the calorie count of the soda in front of me, you would need to be drinking just over four GALLONS of soda a day -- roughly 48 cans. Which would probably be fatal, since I believe you drown in your own tissues after significantly less fluid consumption.
More...
Dehydration, Chronic Vomiting and Nausea, Stroke, Heart Attack, Arrhythmia, Kidney stones, Kidney Failure, Liver Failure, Anemia, Deficiencies (B-12,potassium, iron, B-1, B-6, etc.), Non absorption of supplements (calcium, minerals, nutrients from food) or medications, Blurred Vision, Muscle and Bone Pain, Loss of Teeth, Bleeding Gums, Rotting Teeth requiring Root Canals or extraction, Hypoglycemia, Headaches, Black outs/Seizures, Lactose Intolerance, Injury to Spleen during surgery, Coma, Paralysis/Blindness after coma, Osteoporosis and/or Metabolic Bone Disease, Burst or leaky Pouch, Lupus, MS and/or other Auto-Immune Disease, Looped or twisted Intestines, Ruptured Esophagus from vomiting, distended esophagus (most patients have this - this can turn into a rupture or hernia), Misfired Stapler during surgery, Ulcers, Pneumonia/Lung Problems, Arthritis, Weakness and Fatigue from Malnutrition, Overall Pain, Food Blocking Stoma Causing Severe Pain, Stoma Needing Repeated stretching (by endoscopy), Neuropathy, Beri Beri, Put on Feeding Tubes/PICC Lines, Fibromyalgia and/or Chronic Fatigue syndrome (CFS), Fistulas, Atrophy of Muscles, Hair Loss, incisional Hernias (even with laparoscopic procedures - Carnie Wilson has had several hernias for example), Blood Clots, Leaks, Peritonitis, Heart Burn/Gerd/Acid Reflux, Bowel Obstructions, Gallstones and Gallbladder Removal, Severe Depression, Anxiety, Loss of Memory and/or "Brain fog", Poor Concentration, Irregular Blood Pressure, Rectal hernia, Opening Of Outer Incision-Needing Packing Until Healed From The Inside Out, Insomnia/Sleep Disorders, Unintentional Anorexia and/or Bulimia, Gas and/or malodorous feces, Silent Stroke, Vertigo, abnormalities in defecation, either going too often or not going often enough and/or fecal impaction and/or fecal incontinence or anal leakage.
And after all that, do you think you'll be forever skinny? Hell no... within 10 years almost 50% of WLS victims have gained back most or all of the weight they initially lost... and often some extra to boot! And it's not like the surgery makes you 'thin' even if it works perfectly... you can expect to only lose 40-50% of your *excess* weight. Not your total weight, just 40-50% of the weight over your "ideal". For most people, ideal is roughly 150lbs, which means this person could expect to lose 180 to 225 lbs... meaning even AFTER going through all this, they would at their lowest weight still be almost 400lbs.
Seems to me, getting a doctor to actually correctly diagnose whatever fucked up thyroid condition they have would be better. Unless they really are somehow managing to consume over 6,200 calories a day... which is theoretically possible if they can somehow drink three of those 32oz chocolate oreo shake things. Personally, that would make me vomit just from the sheer mass of over 6lbs of shake ~gag~. Or, based on the calorie count of the soda in front of me, you would need to be drinking just over four GALLONS of soda a day -- roughly 48 cans. Which would probably be fatal, since I believe you drown in your own tissues after significantly less fluid consumption.
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I know Jake personally, and he is a beautiful person. He does not overeat or fit any negative stereotypes that are assumed of people who are obese. He is not lazy. He is very intelligent and being around him always made me very happy. I'm sure he has done more for others in his life than most people I know. If you're reading this, Jake, you have my full support! If the other commenters knew you, they would have different things to say.
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Oh my God, you're all so clever! Fat man likes cake, har har. Did you even look at the website? Jesus.
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My advice is for him to get a job that offers insurance that will pay for it, even if he only has the job long enough to get the surgery.
Where I work, at least 15 people have recently gotten the surgery on the company's dime.
From what I've witnessed, the gastric bypass is drastic & has varied results, & the lap band seems to make people loose weight at a more natural pace.
Where I work, at least 15 people have recently gotten the surgery on the company's dime.
From what I've witnessed, the gastric bypass is drastic & has varied results, & the lap band seems to make people loose weight at a more natural pace.
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@26 - so, basically, he can't work for any small business, right?
Cause America's going broke due to overpaid Health Care CEOs and their average $15 million a year pay (not counting bonus, benefits, and pensions).
Cause America's going broke due to overpaid Health Care CEOs and their average $15 million a year pay (not counting bonus, benefits, and pensions).
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Those who know Jake personally might want to introduce him to some healthier, low fat food food... maybe even enlist one of the many in Seattle on a veg diet and get him aboard.
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P.S.
If you get this surgery, you must exercise & lift weights to avoid the hanging-folds-of-skin!
& drink your protein shakes!
Or else you will creepily waste away before your friends eyes, scaring them into secretly hoping you aren't going to die.
Die thin & still pretty, but still die.
If you get this surgery, you must exercise & lift weights to avoid the hanging-folds-of-skin!
& drink your protein shakes!
Or else you will creepily waste away before your friends eyes, scaring them into secretly hoping you aren't going to die.
Die thin & still pretty, but still die.
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You can bitch about how fat people are ruining society/your view/your healthcare premiums/your airline ticket prices, or you can bitch about which way this person wants to lose weight. One or other. You pretty much fucking suck if you bitch about both. My god, do you bitch and moan when fat people sweat in public in the gym? You know, while they're trying to get fit?
Lemme drop a little bumpersticker science that might sound familiar. Don't agree with Jake's way of getting healthy? DON'T FUCKING DONATE.
Lemme drop a little bumpersticker science that might sound familiar. Don't agree with Jake's way of getting healthy? DON'T FUCKING DONATE.
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I'm curious as to where people are obtaining this intimate knowledge of Jake's diet. Could someone please point me to the page on the website where it lists the foods he does and does not eat? How does anyone know that he *doesn't* currently consume organic, natural, fat-free food?
And, regardless of what he's eating for dinner tonight, Jake can't drop the needed pounds by diet alone. Diet can help, of course, but it's simply not enough. End of story.
And, regardless of what he's eating for dinner tonight, Jake can't drop the needed pounds by diet alone. Diet can help, of course, but it's simply not enough. End of story.
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The point I was attempting to make is that the weight is almost certainly NOT (I repeat N-O-T) because he eats too much or the wrong things or whatever todays little "oh you have X? Well, you're a bad person and deserve it" blame-game is. I was attempting to point out the stupidity in believing anyone is drinking six pounds of milkshake or four gallons of soda a day to maintain that weight in the little fantasy "calories in calories out" world.
But I really really stress that getting this surgery will not result in what he wants. My entire post was basically saying he'll have spent however much money, gone through surgery, and come out STILL obese, still the butt of fat hating bigots like Dan Savage's jokes, still being blamed for everything in society, and still probably unable to do the things he is unable to do now... only he'll have the added bonus of severe and crippling side effects, assuming he survives at all (nearly 5% of people don't... compare that to the risks of getting a triple bypass after having a heart attack at age 75 or so, roughly 2%).
But I really really stress that getting this surgery will not result in what he wants. My entire post was basically saying he'll have spent however much money, gone through surgery, and come out STILL obese, still the butt of fat hating bigots like Dan Savage's jokes, still being blamed for everything in society, and still probably unable to do the things he is unable to do now... only he'll have the added bonus of severe and crippling side effects, assuming he survives at all (nearly 5% of people don't... compare that to the risks of getting a triple bypass after having a heart attack at age 75 or so, roughly 2%).
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Gomez, I realize that you mean well, and because you did lost some weight with diet and exercise you think anyone can do it.
But the truth is that at 600 pounds, being "introduced to healthy foods" is not going to help Jake. Aside from that being incredibly insulting (implying that fat people are too stupid to know that salads are more healthy than burgers, but you're just *concerned*, right?), the reality is that if Jake loses weight the way deemed healthy by nutritionists it will take so long that he may not be able to beat the clock with the whole thing. Gastric bypass surgery would reduce his hunger, thereby acting as a tool to help him, not the absolute solution to his problem.
"What you should do" and "Why don't you" is not going to help. When he says that he doesn't spend his life trying to lose weight, but instead spends it living, what I'm sure he means is that in order to get to a better range of weight from the weight he is at now would amount to a full-time job or MORE. So what if it's kind of a crutch? People use crutches all the time when they can't do things on their own. There should be no shame in that, but there is here because it is the dreaded obesity, which has been moralized to death so that weight gain or inability to lose weight has become a MORAL failing and not a physical one. Sometimes I wonder if it would feel less useless to try to get on track if every slip or mistake wasn't labeled as a character flaw. And really, I think that's what this surgery does - helps a person hold himself up.
But the truth is that at 600 pounds, being "introduced to healthy foods" is not going to help Jake. Aside from that being incredibly insulting (implying that fat people are too stupid to know that salads are more healthy than burgers, but you're just *concerned*, right?), the reality is that if Jake loses weight the way deemed healthy by nutritionists it will take so long that he may not be able to beat the clock with the whole thing. Gastric bypass surgery would reduce his hunger, thereby acting as a tool to help him, not the absolute solution to his problem.
"What you should do" and "Why don't you" is not going to help. When he says that he doesn't spend his life trying to lose weight, but instead spends it living, what I'm sure he means is that in order to get to a better range of weight from the weight he is at now would amount to a full-time job or MORE. So what if it's kind of a crutch? People use crutches all the time when they can't do things on their own. There should be no shame in that, but there is here because it is the dreaded obesity, which has been moralized to death so that weight gain or inability to lose weight has become a MORAL failing and not a physical one. Sometimes I wonder if it would feel less useless to try to get on track if every slip or mistake wasn't labeled as a character flaw. And really, I think that's what this surgery does - helps a person hold himself up.
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at 600 lbs., you need to be taking in over 4000 calories/day just to MAINTAIN that weight.
the calorie intake counter stops at 320 lbs. (3400 cal/day to maintain), so i'm kinda guessing.
but his metabolism is so fucked up now that he probably does need the surgery.
the calorie intake counter stops at 320 lbs. (3400 cal/day to maintain), so i'm kinda guessing.
but his metabolism is so fucked up now that he probably does need the surgery.
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@28 and others who have made similar comments:
There is no information on the site or in this article about what he eats. The comments from people who know him have been that he doesn't eat excessively and that he eats in a balanced way. Telling someone what they should do when you don't know the whole situation is ignorant. This is not the easy way out. Gastric bypass is not easy. It is the only option that he has left. Having gone to school with him for almost four years and watching him challenge himself to exercise and lose weight, I think I understand the situation better than you. I remember the goals that he had but several health issues resulting in extensive medical interventions and several falls have put him in a position where there is nothing he can do by himself. It's hard enough to make progress with 600 pounds on your back, but to do so after being immobilized due to hospitalizations or bad knees after falls.
There is no information on the site or in this article about what he eats. The comments from people who know him have been that he doesn't eat excessively and that he eats in a balanced way. Telling someone what they should do when you don't know the whole situation is ignorant. This is not the easy way out. Gastric bypass is not easy. It is the only option that he has left. Having gone to school with him for almost four years and watching him challenge himself to exercise and lose weight, I think I understand the situation better than you. I remember the goals that he had but several health issues resulting in extensive medical interventions and several falls have put him in a position where there is nothing he can do by himself. It's hard enough to make progress with 600 pounds on your back, but to do so after being immobilized due to hospitalizations or bad knees after falls.
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Geneva, point taken, I see what you mean. It won't be enough, it never will be. What fat-haters make fun of is what they see at one point in time. Jake could lose 200 pounds and suffer ridicule and contempt because he is still obese, even though losing 200 pounds would probably be one of the most difficult things that *anyone* has ever done.
This is what I wish Dan would see, and what is so frustrating about his posts (which he has been titling sarcastically with references to Intuitive Eating lately). It's maddening in the same way that I'd think it would be maddening to be accused of propensities toward pedophilia or bestiality just for being gay, and that's why it's double maddening when Dan does it. You don't know what journeys people have taken to get to where they are. The reason that many people say that fat hatred is one of the last acceptable bigotries is because there is no possible way to defend yourself -- say you eat healthily or that you've already lost a significant amount of weight, and people will tell you you're lying, or make a cake reference, or tell you in some condescending voice, "As your friend, I would like you to know that there are these foods that exist, they're called fruits and vegetables and whole grains. Just thought I'd tell you, since you probably didn't know. I'm just CONCERNED about you."
This is what I wish Dan would see, and what is so frustrating about his posts (which he has been titling sarcastically with references to Intuitive Eating lately). It's maddening in the same way that I'd think it would be maddening to be accused of propensities toward pedophilia or bestiality just for being gay, and that's why it's double maddening when Dan does it. You don't know what journeys people have taken to get to where they are. The reason that many people say that fat hatred is one of the last acceptable bigotries is because there is no possible way to defend yourself -- say you eat healthily or that you've already lost a significant amount of weight, and people will tell you you're lying, or make a cake reference, or tell you in some condescending voice, "As your friend, I would like you to know that there are these foods that exist, they're called fruits and vegetables and whole grains. Just thought I'd tell you, since you probably didn't know. I'm just CONCERNED about you."
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Max, it's not as simple as calories-in, calories-out. I wish it were, but it's not. His body will fight to hold on to everything. Those who have been this much overweight will always find it difficult to lose weight and keep it off, and again, so much so that it could amount to a full-time job.
@36 makes an important point - Jake has injuries that hamper his ability to exercise effectively. What if the bypass is the only way to get him to a weight where that is possible? I'd wager that for Jake it's not about "looking hot and being thin" but more about being able to live healthily. He needs help to get to that point.
Trust me, as someone who herself has tried to lose weight many times and who herself is trying to raise money for bariatric surgery: I don't know Jake, but I'm pretty damned sure that this isn't the first thing he's tried. Given the social climate toward obesity, think about how difficult it is to ask for help of this nature. Why would he choose ridicule if he wasn't desperate for the help he needs?
@36 makes an important point - Jake has injuries that hamper his ability to exercise effectively. What if the bypass is the only way to get him to a weight where that is possible? I'd wager that for Jake it's not about "looking hot and being thin" but more about being able to live healthily. He needs help to get to that point.
Trust me, as someone who herself has tried to lose weight many times and who herself is trying to raise money for bariatric surgery: I don't know Jake, but I'm pretty damned sure that this isn't the first thing he's tried. Given the social climate toward obesity, think about how difficult it is to ask for help of this nature. Why would he choose ridicule if he wasn't desperate for the help he needs?
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I just hope he really REALLY looks into the surgery, and finds some support groups before hand where they will tell him what he is actually going to experience. Because the facts are, this surgery is NOT the "life saving" measure the talking heads and doctors (the ones that PROFIT from selling you on this... therefore they are NOT impartial) are making it out to be.
He will have crippling, life altering side effects which unless he is EXTREMELY lucky will actually be worse than his problems are now. And even if he decides that it'll be worth it just to lose the weight, I sincerely hope he looks up the research himself to find out for himself that the weight DOES NOT STAY OFF, and even the 'dramatic' results in the honeymoon period will still peter out in a year, year and a half tops leaving him still obese (400lbs or so) when he starts gaining it all back.
Other than suggesting he find a doctor who is willing to actually look for the problem instead of dishing out sanctimonious bullshit like 90% of the posters here I'm thinking they will find some sort of metabolic disorder at work here.
At the very least look into lap band instead -- at least it's somewhat reversible if you discover that nutritional deficiencies and other symptoms of anorexia are not for you. And thats all this weight loss surgery is... surgically induced anorexia. If it's not healthy for someone to only eat maybe 100-500 calories a day because they're anorexic, it does not become healthy to only eat that much because you've had your stomach mutilated.
He will have crippling, life altering side effects which unless he is EXTREMELY lucky will actually be worse than his problems are now. And even if he decides that it'll be worth it just to lose the weight, I sincerely hope he looks up the research himself to find out for himself that the weight DOES NOT STAY OFF, and even the 'dramatic' results in the honeymoon period will still peter out in a year, year and a half tops leaving him still obese (400lbs or so) when he starts gaining it all back.
Other than suggesting he find a doctor who is willing to actually look for the problem instead of dishing out sanctimonious bullshit like 90% of the posters here I'm thinking they will find some sort of metabolic disorder at work here.
At the very least look into lap band instead -- at least it's somewhat reversible if you discover that nutritional deficiencies and other symptoms of anorexia are not for you. And thats all this weight loss surgery is... surgically induced anorexia. If it's not healthy for someone to only eat maybe 100-500 calories a day because they're anorexic, it does not become healthy to only eat that much because you've had your stomach mutilated.
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@16: Since you know Jake, could you tell us:
1) Why is he asking for $60K for the procedure? Gastric bypass generally costs $20-35K.
2) Has he found out if he's eligible for gastric bypass? Some people are too heavy for the surgery.
3) The lap-band costs $12-17K. Has he considered that?
1) Why is he asking for $60K for the procedure? Gastric bypass generally costs $20-35K.
2) Has he found out if he's eligible for gastric bypass? Some people are too heavy for the surgery.
3) The lap-band costs $12-17K. Has he considered that?
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"Max, it's not as simple as calories-in, calories-out. I wish it were, but it's not."
Yes, it is. His body does not defy thermodynamics. It's just that the "calories out" is still greater than "calories in" even at his weight.
Yes, it is. His body does not defy thermodynamics. It's just that the "calories out" is still greater than "calories in" even at his weight.
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Switch "calories in" and "calories out". His metabolism is so slow he would probably have to go on a sub-1,000 calorie per day diet to lose weight, which is why the bypass surgery is probably a good idea - it's the only way he can starve himself sufficiently.
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I also know Jake personally, and let me tell you--He is one the most inspiring people I know. If you knew him, or even took a second to look at what people on the site have to say about him, you wouldn`t be saying these awful things.
#31 put it perfectly... If you don`t support this idea, then don`t donate, but there is no reason to make people feel like crap for trying to make positive changes to their lifestyle. Plenty of people have repeated time and again how Jake really tries to maintain healthy eating habits--that`s not a question (and we know these things because we know him personally).
Jake is without a doubt one of the most intellectual people I know. He is also very focused on what it means to be a person who promotes love & equality in our society and around our world--If you read the website, you might have figured that out.
We understand, Jake understands, that this surgery is a very drastic measure with potentially dangerous side effects--but the thing that some people don`t seem to get is that without some kind of dramatic change (more than can be achieved by changes in lifestyle), Jake will be dead in 10 years or less. Maybe you don`t care... But I do. And obviously a lot of other people do too.
I guess what I`m saying is, thank you for your concern for Jake. It sounds like people have made some suggestions that could really be helpful. But the reality is, people with snide comments, keep them to yourself. They help no one. And Jake, he`s here to help, not to hurt. So, really? REALLY?! Stop trying to hurt him & the people who love him.
One more thing--Please keep in mind that the MBS website has been up for less than a week, and has already raised over $2,000. It is a big goal, but Jake is loved by a big number of people. It`s not unreachable. Please keep your discouragement to yourself, and if you don`t approve, don`t donate. But if you do, show some love.
Jakey-poo. I loves you! My life would not be the same without you and your constant encouragement! CHI-CHI! You`re so fantastic. Thanks for being strong through this process. Know that we love you and support you & are here for you ALWAYS!
<3
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#31 put it perfectly... If you don`t support this idea, then don`t donate, but there is no reason to make people feel like crap for trying to make positive changes to their lifestyle. Plenty of people have repeated time and again how Jake really tries to maintain healthy eating habits--that`s not a question (and we know these things because we know him personally).
Jake is without a doubt one of the most intellectual people I know. He is also very focused on what it means to be a person who promotes love & equality in our society and around our world--If you read the website, you might have figured that out.
We understand, Jake understands, that this surgery is a very drastic measure with potentially dangerous side effects--but the thing that some people don`t seem to get is that without some kind of dramatic change (more than can be achieved by changes in lifestyle), Jake will be dead in 10 years or less. Maybe you don`t care... But I do. And obviously a lot of other people do too.
I guess what I`m saying is, thank you for your concern for Jake. It sounds like people have made some suggestions that could really be helpful. But the reality is, people with snide comments, keep them to yourself. They help no one. And Jake, he`s here to help, not to hurt. So, really? REALLY?! Stop trying to hurt him & the people who love him.
One more thing--Please keep in mind that the MBS website has been up for less than a week, and has already raised over $2,000. It is a big goal, but Jake is loved by a big number of people. It`s not unreachable. Please keep your discouragement to yourself, and if you don`t approve, don`t donate. But if you do, show some love.
Jakey-poo. I loves you! My life would not be the same without you and your constant encouragement! CHI-CHI! You`re so fantastic. Thanks for being strong through this process. Know that we love you and support you & are here for you ALWAYS!
<3
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@Geneva
Thanks very much for your concern and comments. I think the reason why it will be helpful for him is that he does know what he's getting himself into. A large part of the problem has been genetics and it has worked for family members. Part of the problem has been finding a doctor for him. There are no easy answers. I know that he has been looking into this for years and has tried other things to try to get more healthy. Perhaps you can start a dialogue on the site, he's very open to intellectual and caring dialogue and it would be a great educational piece to explore through the site.
Thanks very much for your concern and comments. I think the reason why it will be helpful for him is that he does know what he's getting himself into. A large part of the problem has been genetics and it has worked for family members. Part of the problem has been finding a doctor for him. There are no easy answers. I know that he has been looking into this for years and has tried other things to try to get more healthy. Perhaps you can start a dialogue on the site, he's very open to intellectual and caring dialogue and it would be a great educational piece to explore through the site.
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jake, don't listen to these fools. even though i don't know you personally, i see you around campus all the time, and whenever i do see you, you're DOING something with your life! you're everywhere i turn around, puting your voice out there for activism, for awareness, for smiles and a good time. i've also read your stuff in the school paper and you are a great journalist! i'm so happy that you're trying to get this surgery because it means that you will be able to be around this earth a little longer which gives you more time to reach your potential of changing the world. and to all you haters, you have no idea what you're talking about. you've never met a smarter man or a hotter drag queeen!
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go jake! So many people believe in this wonderful human! If any of you haters took the time to check otu the website you'd realize the effort and emotion behind this plea for help. Jake will make the goal. Many of us have faith!
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I think all the grammarians on this site should give him a small donation just because he said "lose" and not 'loose' on his website. That sort of thing should be encouraged.
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I also know Jake personally and can tell you that he is the farthest from lazy anyone can be. He is involved at our college campus in so many ways. He is a vocal presence at PLU who has never slowed down for anything. He does more every day than most people and he's doing it with 600-lbs on his back. Jake isn't doing this because it's the easy way out -- he's doing this because he will be dead in ten years, and this is the only way out.
When someone is so far-gone, health-wise, that they can't go outside when it rains for fear of slipping, working out is not a viable solution. Jake is doing this to restart his life. If anyone I know deserves a second chance, it's Jake.
Please, everyone who is looking at Jake right now as a lazy fat person, think twice. Jake is an amazing person, and if you disagree, then don't donate.
When someone is so far-gone, health-wise, that they can't go outside when it rains for fear of slipping, working out is not a viable solution. Jake is doing this to restart his life. If anyone I know deserves a second chance, it's Jake.
Please, everyone who is looking at Jake right now as a lazy fat person, think twice. Jake is an amazing person, and if you disagree, then don't donate.
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@40:
While the gastric bypass alone does not cost $60,000, there are several subsequent skin removal surgeries to be considered as well. Without these, a gastric bypass patient would die.
While the gastric bypass alone does not cost $60,000, there are several subsequent skin removal surgeries to be considered as well. Without these, a gastric bypass patient would die.
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@49 Thank you. It seems that a lot of the people who have commented on here have not actually visited the site. If they had, they would not be writing things such as "Well, why doesn't he just eat organic and take a walk every day." All of this is explained clearly on the website. Also, it's clear from the look of the site that this was not put together on a whim, and that whoever created the site spent a decent amount of time on it. If this much time were put into the website, why then would one assume that the decision to get gastric bypass was flippant, casual, or a lazy alternative? Also, it is disappointing that blog post failed to mention any of the future goals of Jake's website beyond his own bypass surgery.
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36. What he eats, not just how much he eats, is a big part of his metabolism. If he's active and not eating too much and still 600 pounds, what exactly he is or isn't eating is the elephant in the room. And given he's in college, chances are more than likely there's no less than a fair share of processed crap in his diet.
PLUers and friends of his spamming this thread doesn't really change the fact that he CAN do something about his 600 pound problem right now without cutting out his stomach... by getting strict with his diet, taking out all the processed crap from his diet, and giving himself a chance to lose the weight naturally.
PLUers and friends of his spamming this thread doesn't really change the fact that he CAN do something about his 600 pound problem right now without cutting out his stomach... by getting strict with his diet, taking out all the processed crap from his diet, and giving himself a chance to lose the weight naturally.
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Of course, I'm assuming these friends/peers are real and not just Jake or somebody spamming this thread with a dozen proxy-IP sock puppets and making a bunch of shit up to stir the pot. I'm willing to offer the benefit of the doubt if the collective tone can fall a little bit closer to Earth.
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People shouldn't talk about things, especially in the negative ways that have been presented here when they know NOTHING about the person or their history. As someone who knows Jake personally, I feel I must point out that this was not a decision he came to lightly. I've been with him in the gym working out, and I was around when he had to stop because he slipped and fell and was wheelchair bound for several weeks. I remember this past winter when he sprained both knees falling on a patch of ice, from which he still hasn't fully recovered, and I was with him this past weekend when he told me about a recent doctor's appointment in which he had several tests done looking into the possible causes of his condition.
Jake is an amazing person and he deserves to have an amazing and long life. He is taking the options that have been left to him and is going for it. He's more like family to me than just a friend and I fully support him in his choices. Jakie-sama, I and our fellow peeps are behind you 100%
Jake is an amazing person and he deserves to have an amazing and long life. He is taking the options that have been left to him and is going for it. He's more like family to me than just a friend and I fully support him in his choices. Jakie-sama, I and our fellow peeps are behind you 100%
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Recent research has shown that once you accumulate a certain amount of fat on your body - enough fat, say, to be morbidly obese - the fat starts acting like a gland releasing something similar to hormones into the blood stream that make you feel bad (generally), add to the inflammatory process (of joints and connective tissue), and greatly assists insulin resistance - whereby anything and everything you eat goes directly to fat.
So at some point, just cutting back on the potato chips and candy bars isn't going to do crap. If someone is that overweight, it's not even a matter of will power anymore. It requires medical intervention: surgery, very low caloric intake (<1000 kcals/day), something pretty drastic. Of course, doctors used to put you on amphetimines to kill the desire for food (and it sure works for a while!). Staying under 1000 calories a day is easy because everything tastes like shit. Now, that goal of very low calorie eating has to be done without harmful and temporary (because it's going to take a year or two) chemical aid.
Oh and forget exercise during the process. On a very low calorie diet you don't get enough protein to built muscle (only maintain it). And trying to exercise at that weight makes the heart work very hard - too hard. It starts to enlarge as all muscles do when overworked. An enlarged heart is bad news (read: congestive heart failure). So you have to take it easy until you reach a healthier weight.
Good luck, Jake. This ought to be quite a journey for you.
So at some point, just cutting back on the potato chips and candy bars isn't going to do crap. If someone is that overweight, it's not even a matter of will power anymore. It requires medical intervention: surgery, very low caloric intake (<1000 kcals/day), something pretty drastic. Of course, doctors used to put you on amphetimines to kill the desire for food (and it sure works for a while!). Staying under 1000 calories a day is easy because everything tastes like shit. Now, that goal of very low calorie eating has to be done without harmful and temporary (because it's going to take a year or two) chemical aid.
Oh and forget exercise during the process. On a very low calorie diet you don't get enough protein to built muscle (only maintain it). And trying to exercise at that weight makes the heart work very hard - too hard. It starts to enlarge as all muscles do when overworked. An enlarged heart is bad news (read: congestive heart failure). So you have to take it easy until you reach a healthier weight.
Good luck, Jake. This ought to be quite a journey for you.
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Well, here's another one of Jake's non-sock-puppet friends chiming in. My name is Bethel Prescott. Those who may be interested in checking up on the reality of my existence is invited to do so. My number's in the book.
On to the comment now: Anyone who thinks that someone who isn't focused on their weight 24/7/365 isn't trying hard enough to lose the weight is someone who has never weighed so much that walking across the room is nearly impossible. When getting out of bed carries a significant risk of injury then you're in a whole other world. No one who hasn't been there can really get all that brings along with it.
You think it's only about cake? Good God Damn, that's nearly the most ignorant and offensive thing I've heard all week. And I double dutch dare anyone who thinks it's just that easy to strap on an extra 200 lbs to their back and then see how they manage. Jake's got twice that every day all day.
I'm in the middle of my own long-term large weight loss project (and lord knows, I don't think about it 24/7!) Before his most recent set of weight related injuries I would exercise with Jake. We walked. Sometimes I ran just a bit while Jake caught his breath. Let me tell all of you, friends and strangers, this - Jake worked hard just to walk a few hundred feet. He was dedicated. He is still dedicated. But he needs this operation. His body can't get healed enough to allow him to exercise and become healthier without the operation. It is that simple.
On to the comment now: Anyone who thinks that someone who isn't focused on their weight 24/7/365 isn't trying hard enough to lose the weight is someone who has never weighed so much that walking across the room is nearly impossible. When getting out of bed carries a significant risk of injury then you're in a whole other world. No one who hasn't been there can really get all that brings along with it.
You think it's only about cake? Good God Damn, that's nearly the most ignorant and offensive thing I've heard all week. And I double dutch dare anyone who thinks it's just that easy to strap on an extra 200 lbs to their back and then see how they manage. Jake's got twice that every day all day.
I'm in the middle of my own long-term large weight loss project (and lord knows, I don't think about it 24/7!) Before his most recent set of weight related injuries I would exercise with Jake. We walked. Sometimes I ran just a bit while Jake caught his breath. Let me tell all of you, friends and strangers, this - Jake worked hard just to walk a few hundred feet. He was dedicated. He is still dedicated. But he needs this operation. His body can't get healed enough to allow him to exercise and become healthier without the operation. It is that simple.
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Gomez, you are so ignorant. My brother eats very healthy. You don't understand what it is like to live in constant pain. He injured his knee in November and they still haven't healed. Would you like to walk around with sick hundred pounds on two bad knees. The people who comment that my brother just wants cake, should be ashamed of themselves. Really! Do you think it is funny to laugh at someone who is dying. Jake will die if he does not receive this surgery. He is not only doing this for himself he is doing it for fellow obese people. It is like lauging at a little kid with cancer. You just don't do it. I thank all of the people who have donated. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Mindy ( Jakes older sister)
Mindy ( Jakes older sister)
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I'm not a sock puppet; instead, I have a history of reading the various Slog fat-related stories and getting pissed off about most of them, as well as the comments they inspire.
I've thought about this more tonight, and it's brought up so many things for me, especially reading about how hard Jake works, both academically and as an activist. So while the media (including Dan Savage) propagates the idea of the headless fatty, photographs with the fatty's head turned or excluded from the picture altogether, it makes the situation removed from us, the reader/viewer. But here is a young man who obviously has very many friends who love him and want him to be healthy because they see what an asset he is to his community and to several causes that, hey, whaddya know, are also dear to the hearts of many of those who would accuse him of spending the money on cake.
I, too, am significantly overweight and struggle every day, often failing to "just live" where Jake has succeeded. Kudos to Jake for standing up for what he believes in - the support of his friends and the idea that he can't leave the world too soon because he has work to do.
I would just challenge those making snap judgments to consider these elements of Jake's story.
I've thought about this more tonight, and it's brought up so many things for me, especially reading about how hard Jake works, both academically and as an activist. So while the media (including Dan Savage) propagates the idea of the headless fatty, photographs with the fatty's head turned or excluded from the picture altogether, it makes the situation removed from us, the reader/viewer. But here is a young man who obviously has very many friends who love him and want him to be healthy because they see what an asset he is to his community and to several causes that, hey, whaddya know, are also dear to the hearts of many of those who would accuse him of spending the money on cake.
I, too, am significantly overweight and struggle every day, often failing to "just live" where Jake has succeeded. Kudos to Jake for standing up for what he believes in - the support of his friends and the idea that he can't leave the world too soon because he has work to do.
I would just challenge those making snap judgments to consider these elements of Jake's story.
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Hi my name is Sam. I am Jake's 14 year old brother. I am starting high school this year at the same school my brother went to ,Washington High School. I want to have my brother see me in a tux going to my first prom, I want my brother to see me fall in love, and I want my brother to be at my graduation. I am very much an athlete. I am a wrestler and football player. My dream is to play for the Seattle Seahawks. I want my brother to be at all of my games. Jake made me understand since I was little that education is everything, because of Jake I also would like to be a doctor. Jake taught that I can't always rely on my body, I have to rely on my brain too. What I am trying to say is, OBESITY is a disese! And my brother is dying from this disease. All my brother is asking for is a little bit of help from his fellow man. So those who have already donated I thank you from the bottom of my heart. And those who mock him, I encourage you to actually visit www.mybypasssurgery.com and get to know my brother Jake before you judge him.
Thank You,
Samuel Joseph Trevino ( Jakes younger brother)
Thank You,
Samuel Joseph Trevino ( Jakes younger brother)
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Bariatric surgery is basically a way of pushing a person follow a diet. The weight loss is mainly due the resultant dietary changes, not the surgery itself. People who've had the surgery, but continue to eat poorly do not lose much weight. If you drink Oreo milkshakes everyday no surgery is going to prevent you from gaining weight. There are some who stretch out their surgically reduced stomach pouches by eating too much. Conversely, If one follows the post surgical dietary routine, even without the surgery, that person would lose the same amount of weight.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/gastric…
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/gastric…
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Hey, Jake's brother, since you know it well enough to state so... why don't you itemize your brother's diet here, list what he eats every day and when he eats? That would definitely put my notion to rest. Not joking, not snarking... do it.
Keep in mind, the burden of proof slides your brother's way since he's the one asking people to give him $60K to pay for a stomach removal.
Keep in mind, the burden of proof slides your brother's way since he's the one asking people to give him $60K to pay for a stomach removal.
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@9, Yes, Seattlites are that mean.
@ fatty-fatty-two-by-four-can't-fit-through-anything, Try MEDIFAST, the much cheaper precursor to gastric bypass, its the same Idea, you can only eat ____ much.
@ fatty-fatty-two-by-four-can't-fit-through-anything, Try MEDIFAST, the much cheaper precursor to gastric bypass, its the same Idea, you can only eat ____ much.
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@60 Seriously kid, if he doesnt get the money do medifast, it will work, it was designed for people to take off 600lbs.
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Well, well, well what do we have here? A bunch of bored internet junkies who have nothing else to do with their sad 9-to-5s than to comment on the MORALITY of this person's diet. WOW.
I'm no 600 lb supporter, but neither am I a sadist. To sit and watch someone so CLEARLY talented (again, have you looked at his website?), who has many people who love and care for him (I doubt he fooled them into it), and is so driven to make something of this life--is in itself, sick. If you can't spare the extra change, then don't. But shut up and let the guy have some dignity. I bet it took a lot for him to ask for help, so publicly, and on an issue that can so easily be construed as a liable charity case.
It seems to me as though Jake has gone his whole life PROVING to the world that he cares about his peers and life and wants to make a difference, rather than relying on favoritism and a Silver Spoon.
So give the guy a break. It's great to see that he has already raised so much in such little time. And hey, I might not agree that he needs 60K but at least I can trust Jake wouldn't dishonor all of those who have their faith in him.
If it was between Jake, a kid I don't even now, and the foul-mouthed yuppies that frequent SLOG, there is not a doubt in my mind who would appreciate or deserve the money more. So either donate, support others to do so (or maybe even help someone live a healthy life which you seem to know SO MUCH about) or leave your ignorance for the Republican debates.
I'm no 600 lb supporter, but neither am I a sadist. To sit and watch someone so CLEARLY talented (again, have you looked at his website?), who has many people who love and care for him (I doubt he fooled them into it), and is so driven to make something of this life--is in itself, sick. If you can't spare the extra change, then don't. But shut up and let the guy have some dignity. I bet it took a lot for him to ask for help, so publicly, and on an issue that can so easily be construed as a liable charity case.
It seems to me as though Jake has gone his whole life PROVING to the world that he cares about his peers and life and wants to make a difference, rather than relying on favoritism and a Silver Spoon.
So give the guy a break. It's great to see that he has already raised so much in such little time. And hey, I might not agree that he needs 60K but at least I can trust Jake wouldn't dishonor all of those who have their faith in him.
If it was between Jake, a kid I don't even now, and the foul-mouthed yuppies that frequent SLOG, there is not a doubt in my mind who would appreciate or deserve the money more. So either donate, support others to do so (or maybe even help someone live a healthy life which you seem to know SO MUCH about) or leave your ignorance for the Republican debates.
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@Gomez
Another comment from a non-spam real friend.
How can you think that exercise is an option when it has been repeatedly said that it is difficult for him to walk around?
You have made numerous comments and assumptions about Jake's lifestyle and college eating habits in general that are ignorant, offensive and obviously uninformed. Not all college students eat junk food. A lot of us do eat organic, natural, non-processed food. Which is pretty amazing on our miniscule budgets since fast food is much, much cheaper.
This is not a question of willpower. Jake has pushed himself through situations that I cannot even begin to process, and has an academic record, and demonstrative intelligence that puts me to shame.
If you dont believe in it Gomez, don't donate. That's your choice. But don't make accusations based on asumptions and misinformation.
Jake- love you! You are going to get to your goal. Don't listen to the haters!
Kaitlin
Another comment from a non-spam real friend.
How can you think that exercise is an option when it has been repeatedly said that it is difficult for him to walk around?
You have made numerous comments and assumptions about Jake's lifestyle and college eating habits in general that are ignorant, offensive and obviously uninformed. Not all college students eat junk food. A lot of us do eat organic, natural, non-processed food. Which is pretty amazing on our miniscule budgets since fast food is much, much cheaper.
This is not a question of willpower. Jake has pushed himself through situations that I cannot even begin to process, and has an academic record, and demonstrative intelligence that puts me to shame.
If you dont believe in it Gomez, don't donate. That's your choice. But don't make accusations based on asumptions and misinformation.
Jake- love you! You are going to get to your goal. Don't listen to the haters!
Kaitlin
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@69: I know that if you're slightly overweight when you enlist, the military will send you to "fat camp", where you're paid to work off the weight. Then you go to boot camp like anyone else. I don't know if 600 pounds would qualify, though.
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@50: "While the gastric bypass alone does not cost $60,000, there are several subsequent skin removal surgeries to be considered as well. Without these, a gastric bypass patient would die."
A gastric bypass patient will die without skin removal surgeries? Could you provide citations of this? Thank you.
A gastric bypass patient will die without skin removal surgeries? Could you provide citations of this? Thank you.
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Seeing as links don't work, I want to let y'all know that I took the time out to respond to some of your comments. Check them out at my blog on mybypasssurgery.com:
http://mybypasssurgery.com/?q=blogs/jake… (remove the spaces)
http://mybypasssurgery.com/?q=blogs/jake… (remove the spaces)
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I'll respond at his blog later, but Jake asked for grocery list suggestions. Here's a few, and all of these can be purchased at any chain supermarket for reasonable cost per pound.
- Brown rice
- Sliced white or crimini mushrooms
- Jasmine or Calrose rice
- Apples
- Bananas
- Navel oranges
- Egg whites (or regular eggs if you're willing to remove or forego the yolk)
- Boneless/skinless turkey or chicken breasts
- Atlantic/Coho salmon fillets
And that's just off the top of my head, of staples I eat regularly myself. I'm certainly forgetting other stuff. Cooking any of these items is fairly simple: I use a saucepan, a stovetop, a Pyrex baking pan and my oven.
- Brown rice
- Sliced white or crimini mushrooms
- Jasmine or Calrose rice
- Apples
- Bananas
- Navel oranges
- Egg whites (or regular eggs if you're willing to remove or forego the yolk)
- Boneless/skinless turkey or chicken breasts
- Atlantic/Coho salmon fillets
And that's just off the top of my head, of staples I eat regularly myself. I'm certainly forgetting other stuff. Cooking any of these items is fairly simple: I use a saucepan, a stovetop, a Pyrex baking pan and my oven.
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@ms.coco-puff-eyesli/Jake: Have you had your thyroid tested? I'm really curious what your TSH count is.
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Jake, you lost me at, "I... don't spend my life committed to losing weight. I spend my life LIVING..." -- what a judgmental thing to say, to suggest that people who give some attention to their weight are "living" any less than you. Maintaining the various less-fun parts of your life (cleaning your home, weeding your garden, brushing your teeth, etc...) is a PART of living. I assure you that everyone fails at something or other, but it's really unattractive to put down others who don't.
I hope you get your surgery; I think you need it at this point. I would've thrown some cash your way, but for that attitude. Ugh. Still, best wishes.
I hope you get your surgery; I think you need it at this point. I would've thrown some cash your way, but for that attitude. Ugh. Still, best wishes.
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Why on earth does he need $60,000? I really feel for the guy, but it has been proven over and over that restricted diet and monitered excercise works everytime. Bypass is a very dangerous soulution and is not a cure. It brings many problems of its own and can be cheated like all the rest of the diet market. Try eating less than 1500 calories for awhile and exercise. You will live and lose weight without the cost of surgery. Unless you have a gene that renders you unable to lose weight; all those surgeries are a waste. Temporary.
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looking at other blogs and your story, I am sure you are a nice person and of intelligence. However, one cannot help but wonder, even if you had the surgery, you will still have all the issues that drove you to get to the size you are. Being a drag queen I can't help but think you have serious personal issues. I do not judge, but I also do not think it is normal. There is a reason you got to your size and maybe you should be asking for money for therapy instead. I am not trying to sound cruel. But you are young. You have your whole life ahead of you and I am sure you want to feel peace. A 22 year old boy dressing up in drag? There is alot more going on here than meets the eye. Our society has gotten out of control. There are no more boundries anywhere. And you cannot tell me there is no overeating. People do not get that size without abuseing food and no exercise. It is no contest. Bad genes or no bad genes. This is a serious issue for you, I know; but it is a waste of money. it is called internal strength and will power. Something is seriously wrong and it is not just the weight. I am sorry, but is this not for feedback?
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Jake,
Please really research gastric bypass.it is not an easy,or the only way.I weighted 870lbs at my heaviest 22 yrs old had the surgery,
was on a ventilator for a month.(1 in 100 die) I lost 440lbs in about a year and a half.But slowly 150lbs came back on.I haven't lost or gained anymore weight its been 9yrs since the surgery.Please look at the statistics
the first year or two most people loose the majority of excess weight,but many gain back
most of what they've lost. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/article… Please look into food intolerance,get an Elisa blood test.Food intolerance can cause weight gain.Book:Healthier Without Wheat:by Stephen Wangen Thyroid,adrenals,get them tested.Also please read the book Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health by Gary Taubes
check out manuel uribe he has lost 400lbs by diet alone,just gotten married.Your living life.You can live a long life with out the surgery,you are surrounded by loving people,what a blessing.I know what a struggle it is emotionally,and physically
living in a large body.Good Luck,Bro.
Please really research gastric bypass.it is not an easy,or the only way.I weighted 870lbs at my heaviest 22 yrs old had the surgery,
was on a ventilator for a month.(1 in 100 die) I lost 440lbs in about a year and a half.But slowly 150lbs came back on.I haven't lost or gained anymore weight its been 9yrs since the surgery.Please look at the statistics
the first year or two most people loose the majority of excess weight,but many gain back
most of what they've lost. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/article… Please look into food intolerance,get an Elisa blood test.Food intolerance can cause weight gain.Book:Healthier Without Wheat:by Stephen Wangen Thyroid,adrenals,get them tested.Also please read the book Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health by Gary Taubes
check out manuel uribe he has lost 400lbs by diet alone,just gotten married.Your living life.You can live a long life with out the surgery,you are surrounded by loving people,what a blessing.I know what a struggle it is emotionally,and physically
living in a large body.Good Luck,Bro.
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All of you negative ppl out there need to focus your hate on something else. The WLS saved my life, now I can tie my shoe,walk 10 ft, fasten my seat belt in my car and on the airline. Amoung many other persoanl things. When you try everything on this earth to lose weight, every diet plan all of them and several times at that and lose and then gain it back plus 20 more or more, it is not easy. WLS saved my life, life is good, it is not an easy thing to do, it is only a tool, you have to make it work. Some of you say easy way out, it IS NOT.
In these pages I read some very encouraging things, others just hate, not only for the weight but someones life choice. WHY DONT YOU ALL GET A LIFE !!
GEEZ we have war going on, recession, hunger, homeless, hatred, abuse, murder, road rage and you negative ppl pick on a person who is loved and respected and trying to improve his life and to live to be an asset to life, why dont you negative ppl get a life. Or do something about the REAL problems in the world !!
Jakes friend, Jan
In these pages I read some very encouraging things, others just hate, not only for the weight but someones life choice. WHY DONT YOU ALL GET A LIFE !!
GEEZ we have war going on, recession, hunger, homeless, hatred, abuse, murder, road rage and you negative ppl pick on a person who is loved and respected and trying to improve his life and to live to be an asset to life, why dont you negative ppl get a life. Or do something about the REAL problems in the world !!
Jakes friend, Jan
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