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Thursday, October 1, 2009

Stupid Fucking Credulous Hack of the Day: It's Bryan Denson Again!

Posted by on Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Here's Bryan Denson's stupid fucking credulous hackery, courtesy of the Oregonian. Here's my Stupid Fucking Credulous Hack post about Denson. Here's the stupid fucking long email exchange between me and Bryan about his stupid fucking credulous hackery. In his first of many emails Bryan stated that my original post included "a fantastic number of inaccuracies." I asked Bryan to point out the inaccuracies but he claimed he was too "busy here" at the Oregonian—taking dictation from "the authorities" is time consuming!—to list them for me. (But not too busy to send multiple emails.) Well yesterday, after I posted our email exchange to Slog, Bryan managed to find the time...

I really do have to end this conversation, but I looked over the piece really quickly just now and found that you committed one fantastic error—[you stated that] the story was about the drug war—and then misled your readers about my intentions throughout. It was really quite clever—every sentence after your premise compounds the central inaccuracy. A couple of specific inaccuracies:

1) "Yeah, this war on pot might seem wasteful—particularly when you consider that we've been waging this war for forty-odd years and pot is cheaper, stronger, and more widely available than it has ever been, all
points Denson goes out of his way to avoid considering."

The only way that could be accurate is if your premise was accurate, which it was not. I had no reason to rehash 40 years of the war on drugs to tell a simple story about the failure to trace the Mexican drug gangs' money back to Mexico. And how would you know what I considered or didn't?

2) "The authorities are out there tearing up pot plants and chasing down illegal immigrants at great expense to the public and, hey, that's pretty much all the public needs to know."

Way inaccurate. That's not what I told readers. I did not tell them how much it cost to go chase down the growers and harvesters. (By the way, it ain't much in Oregon, so it wasn't, as you say, "great expense to the
public.")

Bryan's piece is headlined "Oregon battles Mexican drug gangs' marijuana fields," and is illustrated by a photo of what looks like a platoon of heavily-armed troops on maneuvers. The caption identifies these men—men wearing full camouflage and carrying machine guns (!) slung over their shoulders—as police officers, but they're fully militarized cops fighting the war on drugs. Bryan makes himself (more) ridiculous when he claims that his piece has nothing to do with the war on drugs and that I'm somehow misleading my readers when I describe it as one. Um, if these guys aren't fighting the war on drugs with their machine guns and their helicopters, what the fuck are they doing? And how is an attempt to "trace the Mexican drug gangs' money back to Mexico"—an attempt that involves soldiers and helicopters and machine guns—not a war on drugs story?

As for points 1 and 2, my response continues after the jump...

1. Since Bryan's piece is a dispatch from the front lines of the war on pot, the history of the war on pot is highly relevant. And Bryan himself alludes to that sorry history when he suggests that the efforts of the officers he profiles/fellates might "seem wasteful." Why might their efforts seem wasteful? First because we've been at this for forty years and pot is cheaper, stronger, and more easily obtained today than it was all those decades and billions of dollars ago. And the efforts of these heavily-armed officers seem doubly wasteful when you consider that, as the officers themselves admit, eradicating pot grows from public lands is impossible:

Drug investigators know they can't possibly prevent Mexican gangs from putting down roots on their turf. But they hope the pressure of their helicopter flyovers, eradications and mounting federal indictments of growers discourage them from returning every spring.

"What we're gonna do is make it hard for them to make a profit in Douglas County," says Strickland. "It's all about money. So if it's not profitable for them, they'll go somewhere else."

Make it difficult for them in Douglas County and maybe—maybe—they'll go grow pot someplace else. No one expects that they'll stop growing pot in remote areas, or on public lands, or in suburban basements. We just hope they'll move on to some other place, some other remote area, some other county, some other public lands. Problem not solved, problem just shoved into someone else's national forest or cul-de-sac. There is one way to solve the problem, of course, one way to finally put an end to illegal pot grows on public lands: legalize the cultivation of marijuana. You know, on farms, by farmers, and let those farmers sell their pot legally. Bryan may not have been able to include the whole sordid history of our failed war on pot in his piece, but by omitting this fact—by leaving out the one thing that would actually stop pot grows on public lands—Bryan is guilty of journalistic malpractice. Bryan and the Oregonian failed to live up to their own professed standards, not the Stranger's (cough, cough) standards.

2. Oh please, Bryan.

No, Bryan, you did not put an exact price tag on sending scores of cops into remote wooded areas with helicopters and submachine guns every summer to yank pot plants out of the ground, which goes on every summer, year after year, without ever seeming to put a dent in the availability or quality of the pot for sale in urban areas, rural areas, high schools, college dorms, prisons, newsrooms at dying daily papers, etc., etc. But again, Bryan, you wrote this: "It might seem wasteful to spend scarce public resources seizing pot plants..." You were the first to bring up the expense and scarce public resources, Bryan, not me.

And the point I was making in that comments wasn't even really about expense—which, while not itemized, is easily inferred (and why isn't it in there? wouldn't that info help your readers better assess the value of these efforts to fight pot?)—but that "the authorities," the only people quoted in the piece, are out there tearing up pot plants and chasing down illegal immigrants. Your piece uncritically glorifies "the authorities" as they attempt to do the impossible without providing any context or balance, without a single quote from someone on the other side of this issue, without talking to a single grower, or pot user, or marijuana reform advocate. (One short paragraph—25 words tops—quoting a critic of the drug war and you never would've heard of the Stranger, Bryan.) It wasn't journalism. It was a breathless piece of drug-war cheerleading. It was propaganda. You should be embarrassed for yourself and your newspaper.

Okay, I'm done with Bryan. But a note to Slog's readers....

Yes, I'm being hard on Bryan here. But I'm sick to fucking death of reading pieces like Bryan's, pieces that glorify the war on pot and other drugs. Bryan is part of the problem, he's not just reporting a "law-enforcement story," as the SFCHs always claim, but helping to perpetuate a huge and ongoing injustice through their one-sided, biased reporting on this particular "law-enforcement" story. They're perpetuating an injustice that destroys lives and careers and communities and burns up public monies and packs our prisons with non-violent offenders. I'm sick of "objective" daily journalists carrying water for "the authorities" on the drug war—and I'm especially sick of reading one-sided, unbalanced reporting about the drug war in papers that never shut up about their standards, their adherence to objectivity and balance, their responsibility to their communities, the crucial role they play in our democracy, how they speak truth to power, how they keep the citizenry informed and blah blah fuckin' blah. They don't do any of that where the war on pot and other drugs is concerned because they're cowards or fools or, in Bryan's case, both. And I don't think, given the stakes and the damage folks like Bryan are doing, that I need to be polite about it.

And to the handful of readers who thought me unspeakably rude for including Bryan's email in my piece: Bryan's email is public. It ran at the bottom of his piece in the Oregonian, where it was included to solicit and facilitate feedback. I was just helping to make sure Bryan got some of the feedback he was looking for. Bryan welcomes your feedback—let him have it.

 

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Baconcat 1
Way to bring the fail, Denson.
Posted by Baconcat on October 1, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Fnarf 2
This is too long to read, but did you settle the question of who's got the bigger dick?
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2009 at 3:47 PM
3
You do, Fnarf, if the rumors are true.
Posted by Dan Savage on October 1, 2009 at 4:02 PM
4
Dan, as a cyclist you should know that sometimes, even if you're absolutely certain that you're right, a situation just isn't worth escalating. This is one of those.

Enjoy your pissing contest. It tends to end up in everyone's faces by the end of it.
Posted by Lilting Missive on October 1, 2009 at 4:03 PM
5
Hey, I didn't label this "required reading," so it's not like you gotta read it or anything. Move along, plenty of other posts on Slog.

But I like to win an argument, and I don't like being accused of "fantastic inaccuracies" by a liar and a shill and a hack like Denson.

xo
Dan
Posted by Dan Savage on October 1, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Vince 6
I understand your frustration. We have a sorry frame of reference when it comes to the hyperbole of "The Drug War". And we haven't expected anything other than the same official story line about how "it was the biggest siezure of..." so it sounds like something is being accomplished. That is other than an enormous waste of money by "law enforcement".It shows a real addiction to the money they get accomplishing nothing except maybe getting a lot of people killed on both sides of the border. Just so we can't get high? I have news. We do anyway.
Posted by Vince on October 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Fnarf 7
@3, my dick is quite small, actually, but it can whistle "People Will Say We're In Love" from "Oklahoma!". And handle chopsticks.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2009 at 4:17 PM
8
Oh, chopsticks—is that what those were? It felt strange, but I couldn't see, what with that hood on and all.
Posted by Dan Savage on October 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Baconcat 9
@8: The safeword is "Loveschild", because nothing kills a night of freaky-deek like hearing that name.
Posted by Baconcat on October 1, 2009 at 4:27 PM
10
Well Dan, after about a year of listening to your show and reading what you write, you've convinced me to consider the legalization of pot a potentially good thing and not the downfall of American society, as my tight-laced moral upbringing had convinced me to believe. And I don't even smoke the stuff. Thanks. :)
Posted by crystabrittany on October 1, 2009 at 4:28 PM
seandr 11
The thing is, if Bryan ever writes about pot busts again, he will include a paragraph quoting NORML or the ACLU, just like SFCHDs past have done. He'll hate doing it, but he will, because you are right, and he wants to be a good journalist.

I think this is great.
Posted by seandr on October 1, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Fnarf 12
Oh, jesus. No more fifths of Jager for me on those lonely Wednesday nights. I wondered where I left my Japanese restraints.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 1, 2009 at 4:31 PM
douglas 13
i have a feeling that denson is just rationalizing his cowardice, and the real blame ought to fall on his editors/employers. the kid wants to keep his job, writes the usual puff about drug war nonsense, knows it's ridiculous, tries to tap dance out of it, fails, end of story. but why would he write something so one sided? why wouldn't he give voice to legalization/decriminalization advocates? probably because his superiors are more concerned with the public image of the paper rather than journalistic integrity, and denson probably knows that, thus all drug coverage must stay in the safe arena of "drugs are bad". although it's satisfying to call out journalists for their bull shit, it seems like a dead end to me.
Posted by douglas on October 1, 2009 at 4:38 PM
14
And since the war on drugs has such terrible consequences, you're going to do what you can to ameliorate them by abstaining from pot, or only smoking what you've grown yourself, while you work for legalization. Right?
Posted by doug201 on October 1, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Curmudgeon 15
Do you really think this Denson guy is going to rock-the-boat and risk losing his shitty health insurance. His job is to repackage press releases so that they sound news-y. If he behaves himself, he might be lucky enough end up with a cushy gig as a PR flack for some agency or corporation after Craigslist kills his newspaper.
Posted by Curmudgeon on October 1, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Curmudgeon 16
oops. I Forgot the rhetorical question mark...

Do you really think this Denson guy is going to rock-the-boat and risk losing his shitty health insurance?
Posted by Curmudgeon on October 1, 2009 at 4:41 PM
elenchos 17
It would be kind of awesome if Denson spent the rest of his career writing these narrowly-focused stories that never mention alternative views because that's not what the story is about!!!
Posted by elenchos on October 1, 2009 at 4:43 PM
oldmanandthesea 18
Dan, you just like to encourage fantastic inaccuracies. Pick up your own paper which is constantly full of them.
Posted by oldmanandthesea http://www.lostgeneration.com/hrc.htm on October 1, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Baconcat 19
@18: Great, when can we see a post on your blog refuting them?
Posted by Baconcat on October 1, 2009 at 4:52 PM
20
Yes, yes: the Stranger SUCKS. We're the first to admit it. But Denson works at a paper that doesn't think it sucks, so... they shouldn't. We have a sucky reputation to uphold, however.
Posted by Dan Savage on October 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM
CripKev 21
OK ..... here's the problem:
"Credulous Hack" is enough of a diss, especially to a diva like Denson. Adding "Stupid Fucking" sounds unhinged, and invites playground taunts back and forth.
We all know that credulous hack reporters are stupid fucks anyway.
Finesse, Dan, finesse ..... (even though you are 100% right on the issue)
Posted by CripKev on October 1, 2009 at 5:03 PM
22
I would just like to point out that Denson started this whole debacle with his opening salvo to Dan: you're inaccurate & I'm Mr. Important Orygun guy (with no balls to back up my claims). At least Dan has the balls to back up the claim that "legitimate journalists" should use some critical thinking (um, Journalism 101, anyone?).
Posted by fuddy on October 1, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Will in Seattle 23
A lot of American citizens are questioning why we waste so many tax dollars on this insanity.

Fuck finesse.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 1, 2009 at 5:22 PM
kim in portland 24
True the Stranger sucks, but in a good way. I read it more than the Oregonian, when I want news I get it from the New York Times and The Washington Post. I'd discontinue the Oregonian, but it doesn't seem natural to not read the paper while sipping coffee, not to mention I'd miss the daily kerfuffle between my kids for the comics.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on October 1, 2009 at 5:24 PM
25
Geez people. Complacency is a great big fat waste of time, and a good way to allow stupid people to continue being stupid. We should all be so ready to fight like Mr Savage, for crying out loud. I'm proud of Dan- KEEP IT UP honey.
Posted by Poopoobrown on October 1, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Knat 26
I know this is a question that could better be answered in an article all its own, but why is pot still classified as a drug that need be warred upon? Is the gov't still going with the "gateway drug" standby on that, or what? I've never been able to understand why pot is so heavily demonized.
Posted by Knat on October 1, 2009 at 5:47 PM
27
I love the smell of righteous smackdown in the evening. Way to go, Dan.
Posted by I have always been... east coaster on October 1, 2009 at 5:50 PM
28
Ah, the surreal Kabuki dance continues on the playground.
Will recess ever end?
The one thing this exchange demonstrates is that Dan hasn't been toking enough weed lately.
Posted by Peace, Love and Harmony on October 1, 2009 at 5:53 PM
MLP 29
Dan - you just keep getting more awesome. FWIW...in the past year I have decided that Slog is one of the best places for news on the planet. Since I started reading Slog, I can't tell you how many times I've said the phrase "Oh yea, I read about that on Slog." National news, especially local news...just news. Yes - it's biased. Yes - there is also fluff. But it's a good resource. It links to the original stuff, if I choose to read it. I've turned on friends 3 states away to stuff they should know about. I also laugh my ass off. So, thanks. It's good stuff.

And PS - about this Oregon asshat...does he live in a cave? He's really going to say he lives in OREGON and he doesn't know who you are? Bullshit. You've been all over the media this year...people know who you are.
Posted by MLP on October 1, 2009 at 6:02 PM
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Whoa. You guys comparing this to a dick comparison are way off. Yeah, yeah there's clearly argumentative jousting. HOWEVER, the war on drugs has been longer (1969-present) and in that time more costly than the war on terrorism. The only points I'll add are:

1) The history of America's laws against drugs are based on racism. Look it up for yourselves I don't feel like writing an essay.
2) Our stupid war on drugs doesn't just waste taxpayers' dollars. In addition the organized crime it creates in the form of huge drug cartels in Mexico that has resulted in the torturous deaths of thousands upon thousands of Mexicans (Ciudad Juarez, anyone?) is pathetic and selfish.
3) Addiction can come from both chemically addictive and behaviorly addictive activities/substances. Pot is not chemically addictive like nicotine but does seem to be capable of being addictive as a behavior. It's socially less aggravating than alcohol. Look up domestic violence cases involving alcohol versus pot for yourselves. I don't feel like pulling up my notes for you losers.

Dan is spot on for saying that this is a fucking huge issue. It is. Rallying for authorities who are totally ineffective and aggravated a problem that didn't have to be a problem in the first place is a load of crap.

End the war on drugs so that addicts can seek help without facing unwarranted jail sentences and so that the Mexico cartels get the chair kicked out from underneath them and so that cancer patients can have some peace and so that Washington can get back to say, I don't know, something more scary, like terrorists hiding bombs up their assholes.
Posted by ImNotDebatingWithYouLosers on October 1, 2009 at 6:17 PM
31
@2
You wouldn't think it would take this long to settle the dispute between two journalistically dickless wonders like these two...
Posted by MaryMay on October 1, 2009 at 6:23 PM
32
I think it's safe to say you won this one, Dan. Nice job.

I'll just say this: There are two different ways to argue. One of those ways is reasoned and thoughtful and free from name-calling, like adults argue.

In the other way, the first word of the argument is name-calling, and the second is the word "fucking" and the third is name-calling and so is the fourth. And it's all followed by lots more name-calling. And it's childish.

You won the argument, Dan, using the second method. I just wish you and The Stranger would choose the first method more often.

You'd still win the arguments, but you'd gain a lot more respect along the way.
Posted by Grease Wizard on October 1, 2009 at 7:21 PM
john t 33
I used to read the Oregonian in the break room at work. It never made me feel like my life was enriched or my understanding of the world had been enhanced, instead it often provoked eye-rolls. I had always read the hard-news wire stories on the internet the day before, and the local news and opinion pieces were pretty worthless and obviously slanted to benefit Portland's entrenched wealthy establishment class. Many journalistic bones were tossed to appease the paper's cranky rural conservative readership (you should see the delusional freaks they publish in the letters-to-the-editor section!). But it kept my retinas occupied for a few minutes at a time, which was more diverting than staring out the window while I ate my lunch.

Why do I use the past tense? Because I got laid off today, so I don't have a break room to go to anymore, and the Oregonian will probably wither and die before I get a job again, therefore I doubt I'll ever read the Oregonian again for the rest of my life, the end. But y'all can look forward to lots more grouchy idle Slog commenting from unemployed me.
Posted by john t on October 1, 2009 at 7:26 PM
34
Denson only lost because he even responded to a nothing like Savage. He shoulda ignored the trolling and gone on with life and nobody would have cared because Savage has no journalistic cred in the real world anyway. But he took the troll's bait and there you have it.
Posted by Tricyclic on October 1, 2009 at 7:56 PM
seandr 35
Say what you will about The Stranger, it's a newspaper with balls. Bigger balls than the other newspapers. And that's why I love it, even when I'm hating it.
Posted by seandr on October 1, 2009 at 9:12 PM
seandr 36
@34
Right, Bryan Whothefuck is a real big shot compared to a nothing like Dan Savage. Dan may have a nationally syndicated column, his own alt weekly, a best selling book, cushy speaking gigs at universities, frequent appearances on cable TV, and his own TV show on HBO.

But that's nothing compared to a world famous journalist like Bryan Forgothimalready.
Posted by seandr on October 1, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Baconcat 37
@36: Yeah, the Boregonian is pretty much fishwrap. They talk about their journalistic integrity, but neglect to mention that they got stomped a bit ago in the final consideration for Pulitzers by Portland's other weekly, the Willamette Week.

They lost to a weekly.

Boohoohoo.
Posted by Baconcat on October 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Frau Blucher 38
If Denson really wanted to be fair and balanced, I feel his next article (as a follow up piece) should be an interview with our very own Rick Steves. He's calm, intelligent and a proponent of pot decriminalization, and he never smokes the stuff, himself. I've often felt that many non-users of pot can easily identify with Rick Steves. And, he's well known, here in the Pac NW area. He's been to other countries where pot is legal (or decriminalized), and he knows just how ridiculous our war-on-drugs is.

Rick took a lot of flack for his views of this, but has still remained a popular T.V. personality. One that can easily be identified with, by many Oregonian readers.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Posted by Frau Blucher on October 2, 2009 at 5:45 AM
emma's bee 39
@38: Haven't you seen the PBS show with RS in the hashish dens of Amsterdam? Contact high at the very least.
Posted by emma's bee on October 2, 2009 at 8:38 AM
muggims 40
Yes, The Stranger sucks, but it has the redeeming quality of swallowing afterwards.
Posted by muggims on October 2, 2009 at 9:40 AM
41
Denson likely had nothing to do with the headline and cutline under the photo. Newspaper editors have historically done those without input from the reporter. Reporters often feud with editors because of that. Blame the Oregonian for that. Does The Stranger let the reporter write the headline?
Posted by Algernon on October 2, 2009 at 10:40 AM
42
Nice take down, Dan...in Iraq, in Afghanistan, on Drugs, let's end these goddamn wars.
Posted by iLLogicaL on October 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM

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