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Politics Who Hates Tim Eyman's Initiative?
Posted by Dominic Holden on Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Pretty much everyone. A staggering list of organizations opposed to Initiative 1033—which would devastate the city, county, and state budgets—is after the jump.
(Here's why it's so pernicious, here's what the attacks look like, and here's how it's losing support.)
AARP Washington
AFSCME 307 County Employees
AFSCME, Co & City Employees, Council 2
AFSCME, Local 120
Aerospace Machinists Industrial District Lodge 751
Alliance of People with Disabilities
Alliance for Retired Americans
Alzheimer's Association, Western and Central Washington Chapter
Amalgamated Transit Union Local 843
Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1015
Amalgamated Transit Union Local 587
Amalgamated Transit Union Local 757
American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network
American Federation of Teachers Washington, AFL-CIO
American Heart Association/American Stroke Association
APA Labor Alliance Seattle Chapter
API Women and Safety Center
Arc of King County
ARC of Snohomish County
Arc of Spokane
ARC of Washington State
Asian Counseling and Referral Services
Asian Pacific Directors Coalition
Asian Pacific Islander Coalition Against Tobacco
Asian Pacific Islander Coalition of King County
Asian Pacific Islander Community Leadership Foundation
Association of Washington School Principals
Audubon Washington
Benton County Democrats
Camas-Washougal Chamber of Commerce
Carpenters Local 1715
Cascade Bicycle Club
Center for Human Services
Center for Justice
Central Washington Progress
Childhaven
Children's Alliance
Clark County Democratic Central Committee
Clark Skamania Klickitat Central Labor Council
Climate Solutions
Community Frameworks
Community Health Network of Washington
Community to Community
Conservation Northwest
CWA Local 7901
Disability Pride
Downtown Seattle Association
Earth Ministry
Eastern Washington Votes
El Centro de la Raza
Everett Area Chamber of Commerce
Foundation for Early Learning
Fuse Washington
Futurewise
Graphic Communications Conference Local 767M
Greater Seattle Business Association
Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce
Group Health Cooperative
Hamilton International Middle School PTSA Board
HealthPoint
Health Work Force Institute
Healthy Washington Coalition
Heart of America Northwest
Inland Empire Residential Resources
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 46
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 48
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 483
International Community Health Services
International Federation of Professional & Technical Engineers Local 17
International Longshore & Warehouse Union Local #5
International Union of Painters and Allied Trades District Council 5
Issaquah High School PTSA
Joseph & Associates, PS Certified Public Accountants
King County Coalition Against Domestic Violence
King County Corrections Guild
King County Democrats
King County Sexual Assault Resource Center
Korean Women's Association
Laborers Local 335
Laborers Local 440
Laborers Local 1239
Latino Political Action Committee of Washington
League of Education Voters
League of Women Voters of Washington
Legal Voice
Lifelong AIDS Alliance
Lutheran Public Policy Office
Marine Engineers Beneficial Association Union District 1
Microsoft
Minority Executive Directors Coalition
Municipal League of King County
NARAL Pro-Choice Washington
National Asian Pacific American Women’s Forum (NAPAWF) Seattle Chapter
NE. Washington N. Idaho Building and Construction Trades Council
Northwest Health Law Advocates
Northwest Immigrant Rights Project
One America
Pacific Northwest Regional Council of Carpenters
Parsons Brinckerhoff
People for Puget Sound
Pierce County Building and Trades Council
Pierce County Democrats
Pierce County Professional Firefighters, IAFF Local 726
Planned Parenthood Votes! Washington
Providence Health & Services
Public School Employees of Washington
Puget Sound Sage
Raising Our APA Representation
Redmond Junior High PTSA
Renton Chamber of Commerce
Resident Councils of Washington
Retired Public Employees Coalition, Subchapter 3
Retired Public Employees Council of Washington
Sahngnoksoo
Seattle Audubon Society
Seattle Council PTSA Board
Seattle Human Services Coalition
SEIU 775 NW
SEIU 925
SEIU Healthcare 1199NW
SHARE
Sierra Club, Cascade Chapter
Snohomish County Democratic Central Committee
Snohomish County Labor Council
Snohomish County Young Democrats
Snoqualmie Valley PTSA Council
Southern Snohomish Chamber of Commerce
South King Council of Human Services
Spokane County Democrats
Spokane Regional Labor Council
Statewide Poverty Action Network
Stevens County Democratic Party
Surfrider Foundation
Tacoma Professional Firefighters, IAFF Local 31
Tacoma-Pierce County Chamber of Commerce
Tahoma Audubon Society
Teamsters, Local 839
The Lands Council
The Nature Conservancy of Washington
Thurston County Democrats
Transportation Choices Coalition
Trust for Public Lands
UA Local 32 Plumbers and Pipefitters
UFCW 1439
UNITE Here, Local 8
United Auto Workers, Local 4121
United Food and Commercial Workers, Local 21
Vancouver Area Chamber of Commerce
Vancouver Audubon
Vancouver Education Association
Vancouver Firefighters, IAFF Local 452
Vancouver Police Officers Guild
VOICES
Voters for Affordable Housing
Vulcan, Inc
Washington ACORN
Washington Association of Community and Migrant Health Centers
Washington Association of School Administrators Board of Directors
Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs
Washington Association for the Education of Young Children
Washington Association of Churches
Washington Bus
Washington CAN
Washington Conservation Voters
Washington Education Association
Washington Environmental Council
Washington Federation of State Employees
Washington Fire Chiefs
Washington Home Care Coalition
Washington Low Income Housing Association
Washington Machinists Council
Washington Realtors
Washington Citizens for Resource Conservation
Washington Roundtable
Washington Stand for Children
Washington State Building & Construction Trades Council, AFL-CIO
Washington State Coalition for the Homeless
Washington State Council of Firefighters
Washington State Elder Care Alliance
Washington State Hospital Association
Washington State Labor Council
Washington State Nurses Association
Washington State PTA
Washington State Senior Citizen’s Lobby
Washington Sustainable Food and Farming Network
Washington Toxics Coalition
Washington Wildlife and Recreation Coalition
Whatcom County Democrats
Yakima County Democrats
1st Legislative District Democrats
4th Legislative District Democrats
25th Legislative District Democrats
14th Legislative District Democrats
15th Legislative District Democrats
17th Legislative District Democrats
18th Legislative District Democrats
20th Legislative District Democrats
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26th Legislative District Democrats
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So has anyone addressed just why Timmeh pulls this shit? Why he constantly proposes things that would hurt the state and people of Washington?
Was he abused as a child? Just a dick? WTF?
Was he abused as a child? Just a dick? WTF?
2
He just wants to turn us into a bankrupt state like California.
Maybe I shouldn't have pushed him off that ledge, but he deserved it.
Maybe I shouldn't have pushed him off that ledge, but he deserved it.
4
The reference to California is an apt one (a rarity for Will). Do we really want to do unto Washington what has been done unto California?
We'd be fucking idiots to pass this thing. Of course, that just makes it all the more likely that it will pass.
We'd be fucking idiots to pass this thing. Of course, that just makes it all the more likely that it will pass.
6
@4 is right.
We frequently vote against our own self-interest and against the common good in this state, because we're really really gullible.
We frequently vote against our own self-interest and against the common good in this state, because we're really really gullible.
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the more apt comparison is colorado, which passed something similar. they've now voted to suspend the law for 5 years to allow the state to get back on its feet.
tim eyman is trying to do what grover norquist wanted: cut government's funding sources until it is so weak it can be drowned in the bathtub. then we will enter an objectivist/libertarian/paultard paradise.
tim eyman is trying to do what grover norquist wanted: cut government's funding sources until it is so weak it can be drowned in the bathtub. then we will enter an objectivist/libertarian/paultard paradise.
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sure.
EVERYBODY hates 1033.
E V E R Y B O D Y!!!
(or at least everybody Dominic knows...)
which is why it will be so totally
AWESOME
when it passes...
EVERYBODY hates 1033.
E V E R Y B O D Y!!!
(or at least everybody Dominic knows...)
which is why it will be so totally
AWESOME
when it passes...
12
Tim Eyman found a way to make a profit selling bullshit to idiots...even in a saturated market of both.
13
I hate 1033 too. But what I hate more is irresponsible spending on the part of my elected offical. I can't afford higher taxes. End of my story.
And STOP with the California comparison. If you haven't noticed this is NOT California.
And STOP with the California comparison. If you haven't noticed this is NOT California.
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@13 For the Obvious Win
1033 may not be a perfect solution, but it addresses a bigger problem of politicians who don't/won't adhere to a strict modest budget.
Even in these times of economic pull back, we see politicians trying to spend more money on social programs. One only needs to look at a post today by Brendan about the "Culture Constituency" to see that liberals who pander to politicians supporting increases in Social spending will get "support" from bleeding hearts who want their cake funded with better and better frosting, else they vote for someone else.
It is this kind of short sighted politics by liberal whack jobs that necessitate legislation like this being enacted.
Just consider that the states that feel the need to enact these laws, are the states that have an increasingly liberal, social welfare makeup, with increasing numbers of illegal immigrants, increased welfare nanny state social programs and neo-liberal social policies. Coincidence?
I think not.
States that are traditionally much more conservative in their spending/budget habits have governments that stick to and maintain a fiscally conservative budget. Those same states are doing much better in regards to their overall financial situation.
Coincidence again?
Hmmmmmm
1033 may not be a perfect solution, but it addresses a bigger problem of politicians who don't/won't adhere to a strict modest budget.
Even in these times of economic pull back, we see politicians trying to spend more money on social programs. One only needs to look at a post today by Brendan about the "Culture Constituency" to see that liberals who pander to politicians supporting increases in Social spending will get "support" from bleeding hearts who want their cake funded with better and better frosting, else they vote for someone else.
It is this kind of short sighted politics by liberal whack jobs that necessitate legislation like this being enacted.
Just consider that the states that feel the need to enact these laws, are the states that have an increasingly liberal, social welfare makeup, with increasing numbers of illegal immigrants, increased welfare nanny state social programs and neo-liberal social policies. Coincidence?
I think not.
States that are traditionally much more conservative in their spending/budget habits have governments that stick to and maintain a fiscally conservative budget. Those same states are doing much better in regards to their overall financial situation.
Coincidence again?
Hmmmmmm
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@13 Taxes aren't high.
State and Local Tax Rates, Washington State 1977-2008
Highest year, 1994, 10.4%
Lowest year, 2000, 8.5%
Last year, 2008, 8.9%
Ranking, 35th out of 50 states.
National Average, 2008, 9.7%
State and Local Tax Rates, Washington State 1977-2008
Highest year, 1994, 10.4%
Lowest year, 2000, 8.5%
Last year, 2008, 8.9%
Ranking, 35th out of 50 states.
National Average, 2008, 9.7%
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@14
"States that are traditionally much more conservative in their spending/budget habits have governments that stick to and maintain a fiscally conservative budget. Those same states are doing much better in regards to their overall financial situation."
Oh you mean Nevada, who has the second lowest taxes and the second highest unemployment rate?
Or do you mean Connecticut, Maryland, and Hawaii, who have the 3rd, 4th and 5th highest taxes, but well below average unemployment?
In fact, there is ZERO correlation between tax rate and unemployment.
"States that are traditionally much more conservative in their spending/budget habits have governments that stick to and maintain a fiscally conservative budget. Those same states are doing much better in regards to their overall financial situation."
Oh you mean Nevada, who has the second lowest taxes and the second highest unemployment rate?
Or do you mean Connecticut, Maryland, and Hawaii, who have the 3rd, 4th and 5th highest taxes, but well below average unemployment?
In fact, there is ZERO correlation between tax rate and unemployment.
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I hate 1033 too. But what I hate more is irresponsible spending on the part of my elected offical.
Then work to REPLACE 'EM. This is a representative democracy, for chrissakes. All this "Oh, now we can FORCE THEM NOT TO SPEND!" crap is useless when at the same time you're demanding they spend money on education AND public health AND roads AND whatever social agenda claptrap comes up
I can't afford higher taxes. End of my story.
I can't afford a non-functional government hamstrung by people who demand everything of their government and refuse to pay for it like you. And that IS California, idiot. 47th in per capita spending for students. Once upon a time it was top ten.
Washington is 42nd, by the by. There are only two Southern states that now rank below Washington in per capita spending -- Tennessee and Texas. Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Louisiana, who all once fought over 51st place every year, have raised their per capita spending considerably. Seattle's schools are now heavily reliant on whatever money PTAs and non-profits can give them just to reach a mere modicum of quality.
We now spend less on education per capita than Mississippi. Let that sink in to your thick skull for a second. And then ask yourself what happens when Boeing packs it up for South Carolina and Oklahoma in the next five years -- states that are not only right-to-work but also turning out more knowledge workers than Washington is. And you can expect tech companies will be the next ones out the door soon. You think you're overtaxed now? Wait until there are no upper-middle class people left to subsidize the state services you insist you don't use.
1033 may not be a perfect solution, but it addresses a bigger problem of politicians who don't/won't adhere to a strict modest budget.
I'm not even sure what to do with you. Either you're blind to the realities of what goes on in Olympia, or you're illiterate and can't see that the "strict modest budget" we'll be stuck with doesn't even pay for the most basic of constitutionally and federally required programs (e.g. schools), or you're just another greedy, selfish Baby Boomer who thinks the world revolves around you and only care about other people if they're sucking you off. Or you could just be too stupid for your own good.
Either way, I encourage you to eat at our local restaurants once 1033 passes, as the health inspectors, those evil, socialist types who force liberal ideas like "sanitation" and "hygiene" upon poor, innocent restaurants, will be gone forever. Enjoy the liver damage from hepatitis A! It's the medical ailment of FREEDOM.
More...
Then work to REPLACE 'EM. This is a representative democracy, for chrissakes. All this "Oh, now we can FORCE THEM NOT TO SPEND!" crap is useless when at the same time you're demanding they spend money on education AND public health AND roads AND whatever social agenda claptrap comes up
I can't afford higher taxes. End of my story.
I can't afford a non-functional government hamstrung by people who demand everything of their government and refuse to pay for it like you. And that IS California, idiot. 47th in per capita spending for students. Once upon a time it was top ten.
Washington is 42nd, by the by. There are only two Southern states that now rank below Washington in per capita spending -- Tennessee and Texas. Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Louisiana, who all once fought over 51st place every year, have raised their per capita spending considerably. Seattle's schools are now heavily reliant on whatever money PTAs and non-profits can give them just to reach a mere modicum of quality.
We now spend less on education per capita than Mississippi. Let that sink in to your thick skull for a second. And then ask yourself what happens when Boeing packs it up for South Carolina and Oklahoma in the next five years -- states that are not only right-to-work but also turning out more knowledge workers than Washington is. And you can expect tech companies will be the next ones out the door soon. You think you're overtaxed now? Wait until there are no upper-middle class people left to subsidize the state services you insist you don't use.
1033 may not be a perfect solution, but it addresses a bigger problem of politicians who don't/won't adhere to a strict modest budget.
I'm not even sure what to do with you. Either you're blind to the realities of what goes on in Olympia, or you're illiterate and can't see that the "strict modest budget" we'll be stuck with doesn't even pay for the most basic of constitutionally and federally required programs (e.g. schools), or you're just another greedy, selfish Baby Boomer who thinks the world revolves around you and only care about other people if they're sucking you off. Or you could just be too stupid for your own good.
Either way, I encourage you to eat at our local restaurants once 1033 passes, as the health inspectors, those evil, socialist types who force liberal ideas like "sanitation" and "hygiene" upon poor, innocent restaurants, will be gone forever. Enjoy the liver damage from hepatitis A! It's the medical ailment of FREEDOM.
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@13 No, Washington is not California.
Pass 1033 and watch it become California.
You want Seattle to be run by trolls from east of the Cascades? You want terrible roads that ruin your car and make your mechanic rich? You want your children to not be able to answer who the first president of the US?
Pass 1033 and watch it become California.
You want Seattle to be run by trolls from east of the Cascades? You want terrible roads that ruin your car and make your mechanic rich? You want your children to not be able to answer who the first president of the US?
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@16 nope none of them states. Nice try. Did you have to go do some google research to find states to fit your assumptions ahead of time?
How about naming some Conservative run states? Let's look at North Dakota, Wyoming, Texas for starters. Research those and get back to me jackass.
Unemployment is not the only measure of a state's health. Fiscal responsibility, constitutionally mandated budgets, low(er) levels of social service funding, and governments who don't try levying every pet project equates to citizens needing to prioritize actual state critical infrastructure priorities.
And unlike @17 stupid assertation that someone "forces" spending on all of those things they mention. Nope he is wrong. Only spend $$$ on law enforcement, education and roads. Everything else takes a complete backseat for at least 3 years during this recovery from the recession. That includes expensive public transit waste, social welfare programs other than critical healthcare necessities, arts funding, and low income housing initiatives.
Yep we can't afford more taxes. That means everyone is required to tighten their proverbial fiscal belt and learn to live lean and without. And it means that if you can not afford to live here, well then please move the fuck out to a state that has a lower cost of living. Noone is promised that they have an absolute right to have government subsidize their lifestyle choices and location. Mississippi, Louisiana, and Arkansas are all much cheaper. Move on if you must.
A government is NOT non functioning simply because it can't provide everything for its citizens. Citizens need to learn to not put their hand out so much. Independence from government should be an instilled value.
You sit there and type away about all the doom and gloom. Take your pathetic sob story and shove it up your ass. Other states far less wealthy than Washington manage to run their states just fine. Of course those states are managed with a completely different mentality. Washington and other similar liberal states are now learning the painful lesson of trying to give away too much to their citizenry. If it wouldn't be for the many uber rich millionaires in this state, in addition to the high tech workers whose salaries and spending habits fund a huge majority of the state's budget, you idiot liberals would have had problems years ago. With Microsoft and the rest of the downstream tech industry pulling back, it is only a matter of time before this state is completely broke.
When that happens you can indeed turn to your precious Democratic majority politicians and whine about how in the world could we possibly have gotten in to this mess?
It couldn't be those liberal social policies and out of control spending habits now would it?
Hmmmm
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How about naming some Conservative run states? Let's look at North Dakota, Wyoming, Texas for starters. Research those and get back to me jackass.
Unemployment is not the only measure of a state's health. Fiscal responsibility, constitutionally mandated budgets, low(er) levels of social service funding, and governments who don't try levying every pet project equates to citizens needing to prioritize actual state critical infrastructure priorities.
And unlike @17 stupid assertation that someone "forces" spending on all of those things they mention. Nope he is wrong. Only spend $$$ on law enforcement, education and roads. Everything else takes a complete backseat for at least 3 years during this recovery from the recession. That includes expensive public transit waste, social welfare programs other than critical healthcare necessities, arts funding, and low income housing initiatives.
Yep we can't afford more taxes. That means everyone is required to tighten their proverbial fiscal belt and learn to live lean and without. And it means that if you can not afford to live here, well then please move the fuck out to a state that has a lower cost of living. Noone is promised that they have an absolute right to have government subsidize their lifestyle choices and location. Mississippi, Louisiana, and Arkansas are all much cheaper. Move on if you must.
A government is NOT non functioning simply because it can't provide everything for its citizens. Citizens need to learn to not put their hand out so much. Independence from government should be an instilled value.
You sit there and type away about all the doom and gloom. Take your pathetic sob story and shove it up your ass. Other states far less wealthy than Washington manage to run their states just fine. Of course those states are managed with a completely different mentality. Washington and other similar liberal states are now learning the painful lesson of trying to give away too much to their citizenry. If it wouldn't be for the many uber rich millionaires in this state, in addition to the high tech workers whose salaries and spending habits fund a huge majority of the state's budget, you idiot liberals would have had problems years ago. With Microsoft and the rest of the downstream tech industry pulling back, it is only a matter of time before this state is completely broke.
When that happens you can indeed turn to your precious Democratic majority politicians and whine about how in the world could we possibly have gotten in to this mess?
It couldn't be those liberal social policies and out of control spending habits now would it?
Hmmmm
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@19 So you want to put out your own fires? No libraries? No schools? That's what your taxes are paying for.
Seems like you want it all for free.
Seems like you want it all for free.
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