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Sex / Science The Scientific Method
Posted by Dan Savage on Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:30 PM
The feminized/masculinized guy from that study doesn't do it for me—ovulating or not, I'm just not into him (why does his fro grow when he gets masculinized?)—and, hey, it's not sound science if an experiment can't be duplicated to test the reliability of the results. So here in the interest of science...
I want to fuck...
I am..
The results of Slog polls are scientifically valid and legally binding.
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Is there a way to cross reference this and tell who's a dude who would do the macho dude.
Also, who's straight and who's gay. Given that the majority of voters (so far) are dudes, perhaps the gay/straight leaning might slant the vote.
Also, who's straight and who's gay. Given that the majority of voters (so far) are dudes, perhaps the gay/straight leaning might slant the vote.
5
I'm a dude, and would select the dude on the right if he had a dudetee, which is a a goatee for dudes.
7
I wish there had been an option to tag team the "boy on the left" with the "man on the right," but as there wasn't I had to go with Chace Crawford.
11
Gah! This is like my very own Sophie's Choice!!! I'd want to bend the guy on the left over a couch and fuck his brains out, but I'd want to straddle the guy on the right and make him give it to me hard! Decisions!
14
who would look better in "The Cobra" sling? or does the sling itself negate any hotness. Ovaltine-ing or not.
you know negate in the sciency sense. yeah.
you know negate in the sciency sense. yeah.
15
I get the poll questions (and results) from the "does Obama deserve a peace prize?" poll for the first question. Firefox 3.5.3 for mac.
16
If by "want to fuck" you mean "want to be fucked by", then the man wins hands down.
or what 7 said
or what 7 said
17
Where's the "neither"? The first has a weird face and the second looks like a thicker Wayne Rooney.
18
Ugh. Neither. Couldn't you have picked a hot butch guy? For one thing, dude on the right's face is as smooth as a baby's bottom. Blergh.
19
I think Dan should have generalized it with a "wants to fuck around with" to avoid semantics over "fucking/getting fucked".
I would imagine you would spend most of your fucky good times with Chace Crawford either dealing with his tears and emotions and the other half of the time waiting for him to finish styling his hair...
I would imagine you would spend most of your fucky good times with Chace Crawford either dealing with his tears and emotions and the other half of the time waiting for him to finish styling his hair...
20
Find it interesting that the majority of voters have been men, homosexual men, how is then supposed to be "science" when the gender that the real study is studying is not being represented here?
Doubt that any real woman will not go for the man represented on the right, cuz you might as well put a wig on "the Boy On the Left" and crown her miss universe.
Doubt that any real woman will not go for the man represented on the right, cuz you might as well put a wig on "the Boy On the Left" and crown her miss universe.
22
Doubt that any real woman
Do real women live in real Virginia, which makes up most of real America?
I'm concerned at the lack of a 'box turtle' option.
25
I'm a "real woman" (are we talking like Velveteen Rabbit here, or what?), and I don't like either of them. Are there really only two types?
28
Here is something I'll never understand...If you are a man and you like to fuck men, why would you ever want to fuck the lady on the left?
I figured If I was gay I would screw the manly guy, not the twink.
I figured If I was gay I would screw the manly guy, not the twink.
29
@28 you're getting gender and sex mixed up. Plus, otherwise, tomboyish hetero girls would never get laid. And believe me, I like a girl who doesn't mind getting sweaty and dirty.
30
@ 28 Could it be because not not all gay men are attracted to the same type of man? Much like all straight men are not always attracted to the same type of woman.
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28 I've read that experts explain that those struggling with homosexuality even when acting it out still unconsciously seek for feminine characteristics in their pairings because nature no matter how much men or women deviate from it still sorta kicks in our subconscious and tries to steer us into our evolutionary purpose with the opposite sex.
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@31 mmm, *have* you read that somewhere? fascinating. It wouldn't have happened to be an article in the Journal of Desperately Grasping at Straws, now would it?
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@ 31 The "experts" you are quoting smack of pseudo science more than SLOG Poll's scientific validity. It might come as a surprise to you that most men commenting here aren't "struggling with homosexuality." We are however all struggling to endure your trollish comments.
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@31, even I, as a straight guy, know that you are so completely full of shit your eyes are brown. You haven't read any such thing. It's nonsensical, and it's not true.
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I've read that experts explain that those struggling with homosexuality even when acting it out still unconsciously seek for feminine characteristics
I've read that the priests' daughters who have sex out of marriage should be burned to death, and that people who commit adultery should be executed. Oh, and that Brontosaurus was on the ark.
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@31: Folks "struggling" with being gay deliberately pick someone with opposite-gender traits? Whuuuut.
Mrs. Baconcat has a beard and listens to punk rock and a little bit of metal. I like metal, butt rock, basketball and used to bounce for a friend (until a long story ensued). I also have what I attempt to pass off as a beard, but... not really a beard. More like a hipster rug.
We can pick and choose arbitrary gender-slanted traits all day, but you're still wrong-wrong-wrong. Or I'm not "struggling". Which explains why I like booty so much.
Mrs. Baconcat has a beard and listens to punk rock and a little bit of metal. I like metal, butt rock, basketball and used to bounce for a friend (until a long story ensued). I also have what I attempt to pass off as a beard, but... not really a beard. More like a hipster rug.
We can pick and choose arbitrary gender-slanted traits all day, but you're still wrong-wrong-wrong. Or I'm not "struggling". Which explains why I like booty so much.
45
As a straight woman I reject both these choices. Couldn't you have used Viggo Mortensen for the guy on the right? And, uh, David Bowie on the left?
46
As a gay man I have to say they are both FUCKING ZEROS. But I guess Chase over the constipated dude.
47
Loveschild, that would explain why your husband left you. You were certainly the more mannish one in the relationship. But then again, it would be hard to find a woman who is more mannish than you. Or a man who is less mannish than your ex-husband.
I don't even want to know how you conceived those children. The confusion in the delivery room when you had them was quite enough for me. I still can't believe you bit that nurse.
I don't even want to know how you conceived those children. The confusion in the delivery room when you had them was quite enough for me. I still can't believe you bit that nurse.
50
This was the easiest choice I've ever been presented. I will choose the thumb-headed lug over the windswept daisy-boy a thousand times a day, every day of the year.
51
When I was 25 I might have picked the guy on the left - now I'm 35 and would choose the guy on the right. But only if both were the last men on earth and I definitely had to make a choice to save the human race etc.
"Legally binding" creeps me out a little. Sounds like we HAVE to fuck them
"Legally binding" creeps me out a little. Sounds like we HAVE to fuck them
52
@42, the idea of LC not existing made me incredibly happy and hopeful for about 2 seconds! And actually, that thesis would be quite an interesting read.
53
I'm glad that us straight guys only had to vote in the 2nd poll - it gave us more time to wait for the next post from Charles.
54
I prefer the guy on the right and I'm not ovulating. But I am preganant and my hormones are crazy right now. Honestly, with my intermitent contractions, doing anybody just sounds uncomfortable today.
55
Butch bottom! I'd use the one on the left as a dildo to fuck the one on the right.
You know, if I had to.
You know, if I had to.
56
I like them both, but I liiiike men. I voted for the guy on the left, he has great eyes. And, I'm not ovulating.
Hey Baconcat @ 41,
I've seen a picture of your beloved. One word, baby. HOT!! You're a great couple.
Hey Baconcat @ 41,
I've seen a picture of your beloved. One word, baby. HOT!! You're a great couple.
59
I voted for the boy, but that doesn't mean I strictly prefer pretty boys to manly men. I just found him to be the slightly more doable of those two options. (I wouldn't kick either out of bed.) Which I prefer depends on my mood and on the specific dude. But a manly man WITH a pretty boy -- that's something I can get behind. :-)
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@31
Riiiiigggggghtttt. Guess that explains the consistant fucking of hairy burly men when I was just coming out.
Riiiiigggggghtttt. Guess that explains the consistant fucking of hairy burly men when I was just coming out.
61
Okay, I voted for the girly guy, but just because he happens to be hotter than other guy. But I like me a bearded, unwashed, manly man as well.
So what I'm saying is that the results of this highly scientific poll may be suspect.
So what I'm saying is that the results of this highly scientific poll may be suspect.
63
Hey! I thought the point of the original article was that birth control messes with the type of man women are attracted to. You didn't have any polls about birth control. I'm on birth control and I'm definitely for the guy on the left, which I think is an example in agreement with that article.
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@52 - I'm probably wrong, but I'm serious. Sometimes LC's posts appear to be written by someone not fluent in English (e.g. #20) and sometimes by someone who is (e.g. #31). The typing, spelling, and grammar skills also vary pretty widely. (The full-of-shitness level, however, seems to remain fairly constant.) One person doesn't normally learn/forget/relearn how to spell or use proper grammar, so it makes me think that several different people are posting under this one alias. My guess is that it's a group of sociology grad students doing an experiment.
65
Open minded straight woman here on a low-estrogen pill for other reasons than not wanting a kid (although it helps keep that scenario at bay too) and I find that green/gray eyed hunk on the right to be my style, although the pic is most unflattering. Looking at his neck I am betting he has one hell of an upper body, and most younger athletic football players are hot, period. The boy on the right has beautiful eyes but his nose is a huge turn off to me, and does not flatter his pointed chin. Plus I am jealous of his hair, and that is not a good thing.
66
Hmm.
The one on the left has nice eyes, the one on the right is more solid but looks like he's trying to shit a foot long dildo. The left one's hair is just way too long for me, and the right one is pretty much bald. I like -some- hair.
So, no voting there, but I did vote that I'm a dude. And last I checked I wasn't ovulating. \o/
The one on the left has nice eyes, the one on the right is more solid but looks like he's trying to shit a foot long dildo. The left one's hair is just way too long for me, and the right one is pretty much bald. I like -some- hair.
So, no voting there, but I did vote that I'm a dude. And last I checked I wasn't ovulating. \o/
67
Well, on the subject of homosexuality causing people to subconsciously seek out same sex partners with feminine characteristics (for gay guys) or masculine characteristic (for lesbians), wouldn't it follow that these gay men allegedly all seeking 'ersatz women' because they subconsiously want to procreate are actually ending up in pseudo lesbian relationships, and lesbians in pseudo male-male relationships? So, not so much evolution trying to assert itself as a case of ending back where you started.
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How the fuck am I supposed to know if I am ovulating or not? I am on the pill, and as far as I know, I don't ovulate anymore. Oh, and I take it for several months in a row (quite common now) so it's not like I have a monthly cycle.
69
You should have used Zac Efron on the left instead, but at least you didn't use
Bill Kaulitz. And thank you so much for not using RPatz on the right!
Bill Kaulitz. And thank you so much for not using RPatz on the right!
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token attention payment to @31:
Your theory about 'nature' doesn't quite explain the drawn between two bull dykes. Nor critters "in nature" like the white-stripe white throated sparrow, or coho salmon and red deer which both have three genders. How bout the bisexual flowers, like the lily or rose? Clown Fish that literally morph their dna to become male or female? The common reed frog?? How about the FIFTEEN HUNDRED species in which homosexuality has been observed? Need a cite? ok:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_animal#…;
For that matter, if a leather bear is in love with a flaming drag queen, your theory is only half possible: how does your theory explain the male drag queen's love for his big hairy biker guy? Or two leathermen in love with one another in a non-Sub/Dom marriage?
I will agree only that nature kicks and stirs some folk's need to PARENT. EX: There are three couples on my street raising beautiful families, all gay or lesbian parents, and sure enough raising kids without having to force themselves to "go str8". Turns out they evolved through humanity enough to make a choice to use science, law &/or medicine to fulfill their longing and still not compromise who, and how, they love.
Sometimes I wonder.... "Ohh look at me, pick me pick meeeeee!" *lifts shirt and flashes unamused crowd* -Lovechild
@68: taking you at face value: track the start of your last period. count 14 days before. That's likely to be your o day. Know your cycle. check that upcoming day that would be your 'o' day. On or around that day, listen to your body. Those little flutters and cramps? That's your ovulation. Have unprotected sex that day and you will get pregnant, sometimes even while you are on the pill. *Cue "the more you know" music*
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Your theory about 'nature' doesn't quite explain the drawn between two bull dykes. Nor critters "in nature" like the white-stripe white throated sparrow, or coho salmon and red deer which both have three genders. How bout the bisexual flowers, like the lily or rose? Clown Fish that literally morph their dna to become male or female? The common reed frog?? How about the FIFTEEN HUNDRED species in which homosexuality has been observed? Need a cite? ok:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_animal#…;
For that matter, if a leather bear is in love with a flaming drag queen, your theory is only half possible: how does your theory explain the male drag queen's love for his big hairy biker guy? Or two leathermen in love with one another in a non-Sub/Dom marriage?
I will agree only that nature kicks and stirs some folk's need to PARENT. EX: There are three couples on my street raising beautiful families, all gay or lesbian parents, and sure enough raising kids without having to force themselves to "go str8". Turns out they evolved through humanity enough to make a choice to use science, law &/or medicine to fulfill their longing and still not compromise who, and how, they love.
Sometimes I wonder.... "Ohh look at me, pick me pick meeeeee!" *lifts shirt and flashes unamused crowd* -Lovechild
@68: taking you at face value: track the start of your last period. count 14 days before. That's likely to be your o day. Know your cycle. check that upcoming day that would be your 'o' day. On or around that day, listen to your body. Those little flutters and cramps? That's your ovulation. Have unprotected sex that day and you will get pregnant, sometimes even while you are on the pill. *Cue "the more you know" music*
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hey 70-
i just read that wikipedia article on "third gender." 1) i think the interpretation that those examples represent "gender" could be viewed as controversial (first hint: Roughgarden espouses it = controversial) 2) your reading of it is a bit off, for example, according to the article, the sparrows actually have four "genders" and 3) the metaphor doesn't work here to compare with human homosexuals. Female aggressive morph sparrows still mate with males, not with females.Ditto for a lot of the other animal examples.
Not that a lot of examples in nature are good for proving that human behaivor is "natural." I'm just suspicious of this Wikipedia entry.
i just read that wikipedia article on "third gender." 1) i think the interpretation that those examples represent "gender" could be viewed as controversial (first hint: Roughgarden espouses it = controversial) 2) your reading of it is a bit off, for example, according to the article, the sparrows actually have four "genders" and 3) the metaphor doesn't work here to compare with human homosexuals. Female aggressive morph sparrows still mate with males, not with females.Ditto for a lot of the other animal examples.
Not that a lot of examples in nature are good for proving that human behaivor is "natural." I'm just suspicious of this Wikipedia entry.
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OK, so #1: I am in NO WAY attracted to the dude on the right because he looks like an older man and is making a weird face.
#2: The options should not be "ovulating vs not ovulating" as there are only a few days out of the month that a woman not on hormonal birth control actually is ovulating. The options should be "on hormonal birth control vs not on hormonal birth control vs a dude". This would be a much clearer distinction and would provide Dan with a better picture of what women (and some dudes) want.
PS - in the first post of the feminized guy vs the masculinized guy, I totally would do the masculinized guy, fro or not! :)
#2: The options should not be "ovulating vs not ovulating" as there are only a few days out of the month that a woman not on hormonal birth control actually is ovulating. The options should be "on hormonal birth control vs not on hormonal birth control vs a dude". This would be a much clearer distinction and would provide Dan with a better picture of what women (and some dudes) want.
PS - in the first post of the feminized guy vs the masculinized guy, I totally would do the masculinized guy, fro or not! :)
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71: Being suspicious of a wikipedia entry should be a natural state. =D
I rather liked the article on animal homosexuality. I'm sure though that @70 intended 'bear' to mean 'huggable burly gay man' and not the national park, picinick-stealing variety. ;) And the bear point she made is good.
Humans and dolphins being the only critters to mate/fuck for recreation not just procreation, we have only but a tiny slice of comparable data.
Loveschide, ball in your court. I'd love to hear a reasoned argument with supporting data.
I rather liked the article on animal homosexuality. I'm sure though that @70 intended 'bear' to mean 'huggable burly gay man' and not the national park, picinick-stealing variety. ;) And the bear point she made is good.
Humans and dolphins being the only critters to mate/fuck for recreation not just procreation, we have only but a tiny slice of comparable data.
Loveschide, ball in your court. I'd love to hear a reasoned argument with supporting data.
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Definitely guy on the left. Not only is he hotter, but he looks like he'd be interested in his partner's pleasure versus fucking someone and then going off to be sullen somewhere.
Straight-ish female, ovulating in about a week.
Straight-ish female, ovulating in about a week.
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