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Hetero / Religion Think Of The Children!
Posted by Anthony Hecht on Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Louisiana justice of the peace Keith Bardwell's concern was "for the children" when he refused to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple.
Yes, you read that right. An interracial couple. Not gay—interracial. Yes, it's still 2009.
Bardwell, of course, is not a racist. Some of his best customers are black.
... Bardwell told the Daily Star of Hammond that he was not a racist."I do ceremonies for black couples right here in my house," Bardwell said. "My main concern is for the children."
Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.
"I don't do interracial marriages because I don't want to put children in a situation they didn't bring on themselves," Bardwell said. "In my heart, I feel the children will later suffer."
Okay look, you unbelievable moron. No child chooses their parents. ALL children are born into a "situation they didn't bring on themselves."
Like being born to parents who are insane racists, for example.
And it's nice that you've come to this blanket conclusion about millions of relationships and all, based on "witnessing some interracial marriages," but FUCK YOU.
The article then goes on to quote the ACLU of Louisiana's Katie Schwartzman as saying, "The Supreme Court ruled as far back as 1963 that the government cannot tell people who they can and cannot marry."
Umm.. Katie? The Court only said the government can't say who people can and cannot marry based on race. You may have noticed that they still have a little problem with some other people getting married. Read your employee handbook.
Then there's this:
According to the clerk of court's office, application for a marriage license must be made three days before the ceremony because there is a 72-hour waiting period. The applicants are asked if they have previously been married. If so, they must show how the marriage ended, such as divorce.Other than that, all they need is a birth certificate and Social Security card.
AND TO HAVE DIFFERENT GENITALS.
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Maybe we should just go back to the really traditional definition of marriage, where nobles and wealthy landowners bought their wives in power-trade agreements and everyone else just shacked up with whoever they wanted without the bother of a legal document.
Anything to make organized religion less relevant in the real world would be welcome to me.
Anything to make organized religion less relevant in the real world would be welcome to me.
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The judge is right. WIth mixed-race parents, that poor kid could grow up to be president or something.
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The sad thing about this is that when I met my ex-wife -- who is black -- back in the late 70s, people were moving so far away from racial identity. Look at the music -- disco...was it black, or white (or straight or gay for that matter), or whatever? It wasn't any of those things...because those distinctions were blurred.
No everything has backslide to where people strongly identify by race (so it seems).
Maybe people felt they had to go that way. The Panthers you displayed in your post the other day gave way to Crips. The working class whites, who lost their jobs...to segregation.
American may have reached an intellectual and tolerance high point back then...it's hard for me to listen to people talk today, because it's like listening to people who never knew the past.
I guess you never did.
No everything has backslide to where people strongly identify by race (so it seems).
Maybe people felt they had to go that way. The Panthers you displayed in your post the other day gave way to Crips. The working class whites, who lost their jobs...to segregation.
American may have reached an intellectual and tolerance high point back then...it's hard for me to listen to people talk today, because it's like listening to people who never knew the past.
I guess you never did.
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Does he also refuse to marry people on the grounds that they might have butt-ugly children? "Jeez, what if it came out with your nose and her ass? Hell no!"
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I wonder if this is not just some sort of ploy on Bardwell's part to conflate the issue with gay marriage. Seems to be doing that, at least with people like mr Schmader who would love nothing more than this sort of imbecilic nonsense to be true so that they can confuse racial bigotry with the issue of the preservation of one of society's most basic pillars.
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If they start letting mixed-race people marry, next thing you know same-sex couples will be wanting to get married.
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This is down the line, almost perfect KKK speech. I guarantee this idiot is a member of his local chapter.
"I love people of all races, but god intended for us to stay pure! If he wanted us to be a uniform shade of brown, he would have made us that way. It's better for everyone if all the races married only within their own groups, especially for the poor, half-breed children that won't be accepted by anybody, because they're impure!"
"I love people of all races, but god intended for us to stay pure! If he wanted us to be a uniform shade of brown, he would have made us that way. It's better for everyone if all the races married only within their own groups, especially for the poor, half-breed children that won't be accepted by anybody, because they're impure!"
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@5: Well said. I think that's exactly right. It goes along with what John Oliver on the Daily Show said the other day: if gays are allowed to serve openly in the military, it will not be long before they form their own elite army and overthrow our democratically elected government.
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I am a mixed race person whose parents are interracially married. I can't get worked up about this story because the Loveschilds of the 50's and 60's lost long ago. In 2059 or so there will be a quirky story like this about a pastor refusing to marry a gay couple and everyone will shake their heads and move on. That's little solace for lesbian and gay couples today, but your kids (and Loveschild's kids) will live in a slightly better world.
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weird. an article two days ago.
Stephanie Siek, Spiegel, October 13, 2009
For many of the now-adult children of white German women and African-American GIs, adopted by families in the United States after World War II, the search for the truth has been difficult. Online communities are helping.....
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germ…
Stephanie Siek, Spiegel, October 13, 2009
For many of the now-adult children of white German women and African-American GIs, adopted by families in the United States after World War II, the search for the truth has been difficult. Online communities are helping.....
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germ…
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What I find *really* interesting about this is, according to the article I read at the PI, this Justice stipulated that HE would not perform the ceremonies/sign the necessary paperwork; not that they could not be performed. He would tell the couples that so-and-so down at the next window will do it for them.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? If I said..."Plan B" would that ring a bell?
Does this sound familiar to anyone? If I said..."Plan B" would that ring a bell?
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Yes, these are the kind of people voting on my civil rights. I feel more than a little nervous about that.
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But this is God's plan. He made the races, White, and Black and Malay.... and placed them on different continents..... The plan of God....
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SOCIETIES BASIC PILLAR IS SANITATION NOT RELIGION. Opps sorry for the shouting, I was living a Bible metaphor of shouting the truth from the roof top. I hope my neighbors understand.
Please Note: The basis of civilization is not one man one woman "marriage" but an understanding of the basic laws of sanitation.
Please Note: The basis of civilization is not one man one woman "marriage" but an understanding of the basic laws of sanitation.
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You're the tech guy, right Anthony? Fix your XHTML blockquotes, they've been broken FOREVER.
<p><blockquote>Stuff quoted</p></blockquote> is not valid XML, and hence not valid XHTML. It fucks with RSS readers.
<p><blockquote>Stuff quoted</p></blockquote> is not valid XML, and hence not valid XHTML. It fucks with RSS readers.
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Oh, I don't know, Sargon - I kinda think religion has been around a little bit longer than indoor plumbing. Though I have to admit that I am pretty fond of it.
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@19: The "basics of sanitation" is not shitting where you eat. Nothing to do with indoor plumbing.
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AND TO HAVE DIFFERENT GENITALS.
Surely those with the same genitals can't marry. The only case I can imagine where two people share genitals is conjoined twins.
And that would be incest.
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Don't be ridiculous. Unlike interracial couples, gays can never reproduce -- that whole "ass baby" thing is a myth.
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Did you read the part where he says he's not a racist and he has black friends and even lets them into his house and use his toilet?
Nope, nothing at all like Republicans saying they're not bigots and even have gay friends over at their house....Nope not a thing like that.
Nope, nothing at all like Republicans saying they're not bigots and even have gay friends over at their house....Nope not a thing like that.
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They don't check genitals when you go for a marriage license, do they? Couldn't some gays get married with a little effort and cross-dressing? A divorce, well, annulment, would be easy to obtain under current law for "woops, we're of the same sex!", but if you can pul off the "Tootsie" covert method... hmm.... if enough people do this, can it force clerks at every little courthouse to check genitals when people apply for marriage licenses? Maybe this would force the issue, I bet they'd rather let gays get married then look at peoples' junk... er, scratch that, well, don't scratch it, er, they'd probably just find somebody else for the job, who really dug it, as long as a Naked Mile wasn't going on at the local college that day.
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The arc of history may bend toward justice, but only if we keep bending it! (And if we keep sanitary.)
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Wow -- his logic is so brilliant it's hurting my eyes:
If he does an interracial marriage for one couple, he must do the same for all, he said.
"I try to treat everyone equally," he said.
If he does an interracial marriage for one couple, he must do the same for all, he said.
"I try to treat everyone equally," he said.
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"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way," Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."
OMFuckingG.
OMFuckingG.
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Wow, Loveschild. Just... wow.
Your posts lately have elevated you to an entirely new plane of insanity in my eyes. First you defend slavery in order to maintain your anti-gay stance, and now you're saying that perhaps segregation really isn't so bad, just so long as it lets us keep the gays down.
That's it. I call Poe's Law.
Your posts lately have elevated you to an entirely new plane of insanity in my eyes. First you defend slavery in order to maintain your anti-gay stance, and now you're saying that perhaps segregation really isn't so bad, just so long as it lets us keep the gays down.
That's it. I call Poe's Law.
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99% of Slog readers hate Loveschild, and she is a "child of god" so maybe they're on to something....
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@30 Isn't that the half that believes we should "love" our neighbor? The same half that wants to use government to impose their religion on everyone? Phonies.
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Loveschild, how is allowing same sex marriage going to adversely affect the "pillar" of heterosexual marriage? If you think gay marriage is going to harm your marriage, it's because you don't have a good marriage, not because gay people are getting married.
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32 balderdash, please tell me where do i defend slavery or segregation? That's as moronic as the words coming out of this man. You do realize that # 30 is not me. My only post beside this one on this thread has been at 5. And i stand by suspicion that this could well be something concocted to further the agenda of gay marriage, in any way whether he is doing it for that reason or because he truly believes that racist crap, i thoroughly believe that his licence should be completely revoked for being such a stupid man. He has no business performing a civic job.
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@38, it’s all about efficiency. You can fit so much more in if you get a good, early start!
Besides, it’s easier to just go with it than to defeat the hydra…unless someone just happens to have a rather large boulder.
Besides, it’s easier to just go with it than to defeat the hydra…unless someone just happens to have a rather large boulder.
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I don't understand why everyone keeps responding to the Loveschild troll. Ban it or ignore it, but shut up complaining about/to it.
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37, Loveschild, Like you and gay marriage, this guy was doing what he thought was morally right. Only the people you hate are different.
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@37: So reading both of your posts, let me see if I can glean the simple truth you're trying to present:
Bigotry against the races is incorrect because all men and women are equal in the eyes of the lord...
Except the gays, who aren't really men or women so don't necessarily deserve equal rights, and allowing them to marry would be akin to accepting their lifestyle and damning them to the eternal hell fires, and really you're just trying to SAVE them. Save them from THEMSELVES.
Which is all well and good, except that God has given the gift of free will to man. It is ultimately up to man to make those decisions for him/herself. Hindering those decisions is essentially taking away a person's free will. God expects man to do what is right, and the consequences will be hashed out later.
It is wrong to impose a subordinate will on any of the children of the Lord.
Am I getting that right?
Bigotry against the races is incorrect because all men and women are equal in the eyes of the lord...
Except the gays, who aren't really men or women so don't necessarily deserve equal rights, and allowing them to marry would be akin to accepting their lifestyle and damning them to the eternal hell fires, and really you're just trying to SAVE them. Save them from THEMSELVES.
Which is all well and good, except that God has given the gift of free will to man. It is ultimately up to man to make those decisions for him/herself. Hindering those decisions is essentially taking away a person's free will. God expects man to do what is right, and the consequences will be hashed out later.
It is wrong to impose a subordinate will on any of the children of the Lord.
Am I getting that right?
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