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Tuesday, October 27, 2009

McGinn Campaign Questions Attacks, Mocks, and Otherwise Trashes The Washington Poll

Posted by on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:14 AM

McGinn volunteer media contact Aaron Pickus, seeing that one of the people behind the new Washington Poll told me the McGinn people are probably "just upset" about being down in the polls, responds:

It sounds like he's a little bit embarrassed by how off his polls always are. We're feeling great. I think he's just feeling upset that his polls don't seem to reflect reality.

Pickus was trying to remind me that the Washington Poll was way off in predicting the outcome of the primary—which McGinn won. He also asked why, "if they're experts in polling and have PhD's," the people behind the Washington Poll misspelled Susan Hutchison's last name (as Hutchinson) and Mayor Greg Nickels' first name (as Nichols) in their cross-tabs.

OK. But is the McGinn campaign willing to release its vaunted internal polling so that we can lay it side by side with the new Washington Poll's findings? Nope.

"We like to have a surprise ending," Pickus told me.

But then, without too much prodding, he revealed what he thinks the surprise will be.

"We're going to win."

UPDATE:

Matt Barreto, the UW pollster who earlier characterized the McGinn campaign's complaints as coming from people who are "just upset" about their poll standings, called the latest criticism from Aaron Pickus "hilarious."

The typos in his cross-tabs, Barreto said, are simply the result of "grad students up late working on this so we could get it ready for early morning release."

 

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Baconcat 1
WELL!

Good to see ol' "gosh'n'gee, let's play fair" McGinn is finally fighting back.

A week before the election. Oops.
Posted by Baconcat on October 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM
2
Wow! THAT's what I call hard-hitting news!
Posted by ivan on October 27, 2009 at 11:22 AM
3
In actual news, our buddy Lieberman is now saying he'll join the GOP filibuster on the public option.
Posted by Will be $enator for In$urer Donation$ on October 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM
4
Sounds like McGinn is getting what he paid for.
Posted by I Got Nuthin' on October 27, 2009 at 11:30 AM
5
gosh, if they mispelled Mayor Greg Nickels' first name (as Nichols) they really do have problems...
Posted by Mayor Nichols Nickels on October 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Baconcat 6
Re: the update

Did Barreto bother to talk about their projections for the final results of the primary?
Posted by Baconcat on October 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Will in Seattle 7
LOL.

You got 512 age and gender matched voters (including people who voted first for Obama and then in the Primary this year)?

In Seattle?

If not, you have at best a non-diverse sample pop for a skewed t-sample in Seattle and can't answer ANY question.

Even King County Exec would need 512 in King County.

ROFLMAO.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 27, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Will in Seattle 8
(as he stares at the Statistical Lab signs on his floor filled with Stats PhDs and Postgrads ....)
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 27, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Will in Seattle 9
p.s. don't use people from The Daily, they skew more libertarian and conservative than the general pop, even if they fulfill your quota. And those in Evans School tend to skew more Mallahan, who appeals to insiders who want to (or are) work on campaigns and then run for office.

(sad sad sad having to teach them how to conduct a basic poll)
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM
theophrastus 10
First, just being associated with folks with Ph.Ds should never be used to back up the validity of your data. Exactly how your data was collected is the proper support for its validity; as i'm sure Dr Barreto knows. Next, these phd-pollsters are mostly from the department of political science, which is not known for its conviction to teaching any of its grad-students math, (or any real science, for that matter (this from personal experience [unpublished data])). If these guys want to serve the public a positive polling service, they should publish (with scientific rigor, please) the accuracy of the last ten years of local polling services.
Posted by theophrastus on October 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Will in Seattle 11
I checked their PDF - they only have 100 Seattle "likely" voters.

You can't actually answer any question - you lack statistical power. You'd need a bump up to at least 256 to even have a wonky poll, and I'm seeing no age/sex breakdown or pop graphs by LD. No economic stats (income) to validate you're not oversampling rich jerks with views.

Come back when you learn stats.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM
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rich.
jerks with views.
Posted by obnoxious ones. on October 27, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Will in Seattle 13
yeah, they trend Mallahan. At least in Seattle.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM
14
Typical university research: grad students do all the work, get none of the credit, and the blame for all errors.
Posted by elaineinballard on October 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM
15
Yawn.

As in every election, *our* polls (whichever campaign is speaking) show us winning and those other polls were done by idiots.
Posted by bigyaz on October 27, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Will in Seattle 16
of course. but that's cause they paid for them, bigyaz.

@14 for the insightful win, however.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM
17
To be fair, Matt Barreto is kind of a cocky asshole.
Posted by Juris on October 27, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Will in Seattle 18
So long as his science is good, he can be a prick for all I care.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 27, 2009 at 3:10 PM
ralph 19
Sorry kids, but McGinn is toast by his own roasting.
Posted by ralph on October 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM

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