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Monday, November 2, 2009

McGinn vs. Mallahan: Their Last Debate

Posted by on Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:55 AM

On KUOW right now.

9:00 am: Steve Scher thanks listeners for letting him take vacation, and other staffers who covered for him, and says: "We jump back into the fray of things now—we talk to the two candidates for mayor... competing visions for Seattle..."

9:06 am: Scher: "Joe Mallahan, Mike McGinn. They wrap it up on Weekday... We're going to do it a little differently today, as I'm easing back into my job"—Steve, no one cares you were on vacation—"and let you introduce yourselves."

9:08 am: "I was born and raised in the pearl of the west coast, Everett." Scher: "I like that 'pearl of the west coast.' That's nice. Why do you want to be mayor?" Mallahan: "I want us to keep moving forward... We're very much at risk of moving backward." Scher: "So you're thinking is essentially stayed the same." Mallahan: "I think my thinking has grown. It's a big city, there are a lot of stakeholder groups."

9:09 am: McGinn starts by talking about himself as a father and family man, and someone who's spent a lot of time trying "to make this city a better place. The reason I'm running is because I believe we face really serious challenges, and we have people ready to face those challenges, as long as government is willing to work with them."

9:12 am: Mallahan is talking about how he wants to give everyone the opportunity to hold him accountable. Why is he allowed to keep saying this, considering he hasn't been accountable for his career at T-Mobile and hasn't let T-Mobile out of the non-disclosure agreement they struck when he took leave? That would be letting yourself be held accountable. (UPDATE: A friend points out that non-disclosure agreements almost always are to protect the employee from talking about the company, not the company from talking about the employee. Which kind of makes T-Mobile's unwillingness to talk about Mallahan even more suspect.)

9:13 am: Mallahan: "It's not lost on me that this event on Halloween night, the killing of this officer, puts us at great risk... The tension level among officers must be extraordinary... It's just raised the tension dramatically.

9:14 am: McGinn: "This is clearly an extraordinary tragedy. Police officers put themselves on the line for us... I think it's one of the reasons why the selection of a new police chief is so critical... Having a serious discussion about what are the qualities we're looking in a police chief," and about issues facing the police force, is critical. "Building trust between police and the community has to be a high priority."

9:17 am: Mallahan is saying he will be "present" to the police force if he's mayor. "I can't overemphasize being physically present... In the future, an officer will make a mistake and commit an offense against a citizen." Huh? "It's coming together and having a dialogue." Can anyone follow this answer?

9:21 am: Scher asks "what does listening as a mayor look like, or sound like?" McGinn: "I have a pretty extensive record building coalitions to bring about changes in this city." McGinn is talking about asking the mayor to begin the search process for police chief—McGinn wanted it to get underway even though the mayor's on his way out, Mallahan asked for the process to be held up until the new mayor starts. McGinn: "Part of the reason I recommended [not putting off the search] is because this is an opportunity to get people in a room with very different viewpoints but probably share common goals... What's the role of the chief, what's the role of the community, what's the role of the police force? ... It's not just a process, it's an attitude."

9:23 am: Scher: "When do you listen? And when do you know you're done listening?" Jesus Christ, Steve. McGinn: "You're never ever going to make everyone happy in this city. Because people have really strong ideas about what makes this city great."

9:25 am: Mallahan, talking about leadership when people disagree, mentions his time as an executive at T-Mobile, and likens T-Mobile employees disagreeing with one another to "all the stakeholder groups in a city."

9:27 am: This is a thin, dull interview.

9:28 am: Question from a listener, selected by Scher: "What are three projects you're proud of?" Zzzzzz. This is an interesting race, but not an interesting interview. The candidates are both white guys with corporate backgrounds and yet they seem to come from opposite ends of the class spectrum. Corporate liberals line up behind Mallahan; grassroots activists, environmentalists, and artists/musicians line up behind McGinn. What does that say about this city? What does that say about these two people? Why doesn't anyone ask what they think working with Richard Conlin is going to be like? Why doesn't anyone ask what we're going to do about gun violence in the CD/Leschi/etc—site of the cop shooting on Saturday, site of a youth shooting two months ago—and the underlying question: Are we ever going to be able to make this neighborhood safe? There are all kinds of issues to ask these guys about, and in every debate they get pretty much reheated questions. Or, worse, they get questions like "What are three projects you're proud of?"

9:32 am: Next question: How do you view the balance of public space in Seattle, fields, parks, etc. Another softball non-question. Anyone against parks out there? Mallahan: "I feel there is balance. But that's something that, I haven't had a conversation with stakeholders about that on this campaign." Mallahan has now referred to people who live in Seattle as "stakeholders" three times in a half hour. Um, we're not your employees, man, even if you do become mayor. And we don't make money collecting dividends from the city. We just live here. McGinn: "Our greenbelts are being smothered in ivy... Can we more effectively use the land the school district has? As well as community centers. The other thing I'd look at is rights of way. So I think we have other assets to take the pressure off this demand..." McGinn's answer is so dense with information (granted, parks are one of his career's central causes) I can't keep up with transcribing his answer.

9:35 am: Conversation about schools.

9:40 am:I believe Scher just asked Mallahan: "How can you have the moral voice if you don't have a big stick to back it up?" What?

9:42 am: Mallahan: "One of the things I will do as mayor is pound home the point that the majority of the schools that are failing are in communities of color."

9:45 am: McGinn: "It's easy to talk about accountability and priorities. I think actually raising the public issue of governance is the right thing to do... It's about the kids, it's not about who's in charge. I want to say something else about priorities." And we're onto the tunnel. Legislature coming together "behind closed doors" to get something done that they'd all prioritized. "We know how to set priorities when we want to as a region." At the same time, there was a bill to allow Seattle to collect $13 million in tax revenues that would go to the schools, but the legislature didn't prioritize that. "The very same day they signed that tunnel, down at the viaduct—they drank champagne I believe—the school district was laying off over 100 school teachers."

9:50 am: McGinn: "The people who stand to make millions on the tunnel are helping to fund and run Joe's campaign." Scher asks for specific names of those entities who stand to make money off the tunnel and are backing Joe. McGinn names the company behind the Big Dig, Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce, and "numerous engineering firms and consulting firms who would hope to profit from this." Says Mallahan isn't going to be a good advocate for the people of Seattle on cost overruns. McGinn: "I'm going to stand up and say we're not going to begin this tunnel project until we get this cost overrun issue dealt with."

9:53 am: Mallahan: "People who support the tunnel support me. He [McGinn] continues to say over and over that tunnel supporters run my campaign, and that is simply not being honest with voters." Mallahan is accusing McGinn of making "smoke and mirrors attacks while I'm talking about principled leadership."

9:56 am: McGinn: "I think Joe's held one nine-minute press conference in this campaign." McGinn: "I think it's a good idea to have someone in the mayor's office who has experience standing up for the city of Seattle."

9:58 am: Mallahan: "I do plan to stand up for Seattle values, and to lead on Seattle values. But what does that mean? It's more than driving a Prius or recycling your trash." McGinn: "I have a record building coalitions..."

9:59 am: Mallahan: "I drive accountability in organizations that I lead and I do so by exhibiting personal accountability."

 

Comments (33) RSS

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1
Everett a pearl?

Africans like me?

Ginger?

Six miles?
Posted by Mallahpropism Watch on November 2, 2009 at 9:15 AM
josh 2
it's steve scher and two guys with identical noncommittal voices!
Posted by josh http://www.sciencevsromance.net on November 2, 2009 at 9:22 AM
josh 3
both candidates seem to agree: City of Listening!
Posted by josh http://www.sciencevsromance.net on November 2, 2009 at 9:25 AM
care bear 4
I was really happy with Steve Scher on vacation.
Posted by care bear on November 2, 2009 at 9:28 AM
5
"In the future, an officer will make a mistake and commit an offense against a citizen"
Posted by Mallahpropism score! (taking bong hit) on November 2, 2009 at 9:28 AM
6
uhmm this is the first time i've actually read one of these minute by minute updates and they suck because the rushed writing sucks (your and you're issues? really? some of these aren't even sentences) and everything the candidates are saying isn't coming across very well as a result of not taking your time to do it correctly.

bad idea. zzz
Posted by Swearengen on November 2, 2009 at 9:29 AM
7
I'm doing my best, @6. Feel free to tune in if you can.
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle on November 2, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Mahtli69 8
I'd like to have a little chat with whoever encouraged Steve Scher to get into radio.

And, this interview is basically pointless. I guess they're trying to sway the last 10 people who intend to vote but haven't yet AND still don't know who they are voting for?
Posted by Mahtli69 on November 2, 2009 at 9:46 AM
9
Always the charmer, Swearengen. You're quickly rising to the top of my don't-ever-read list.

Mallahan's got a serious nervous-laughter problem. I don't want to listen to that for the next four years. Nor his use of the word "poppycock."

He sounds like the opposite of confidence. Not what I want.
Posted by worried on November 2, 2009 at 9:50 AM
MrBaker 10
"Tunnel" = McGinn starts dancing and barking

he is against it, horrible idea

he accepts the council vote

it excluded the stakeholders

lots of people are involved in this

Joe blah, blah, blah
Posted by MrBaker http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ on November 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM
ralph 11
Steve Scher is a good interviewer but let's face it, these guys have had this debate before... over and over and over. Can't wait until the election is finally finished.
Posted by ralph on November 2, 2009 at 9:58 AM
12
For #7, KUOW puts its audio up "on demand" pretty quickly, so with your good time checks you'll be able to fill in those blanks I think.

Thank you for reporting it for those of us that cannot hear the talk. (since it appears to not be a 'debate.')
Posted by Idaho Spud on November 2, 2009 at 10:00 AM
MrBaker 13
"Mallahan has now referred to people who live in Seattle as "stakeholders" three times in a half hour. Um, we're not your employees, man, even if you do become mayor."

Frizzelle, McGinn referred to the viaduct STAKEHOLDER'S group today, and for the past 6 months, mannnnnnnn.

Another in-kind contribution from the Stranger to the McGinn campaign.
Posted by MrBaker http://manywordsforrain.blogspot.com/ on November 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM
ralph 14
@13 Not only has McGinn referred to the stakeholder's group continuously, he has stated complete falsehoods about what that stakeholder group has said about the viaduct. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and simply call him misinformed.
Posted by ralph on November 2, 2009 at 10:38 AM
15
If Everett's the pearl of the West Coast, why doesn't he go try driving efficiencies there and leave us the hell alone
Posted by arcos on November 2, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Will in Seattle 16
Stakeholder is an elitists nice way of saying "Not paying attentions to the actual citizens or the actual voters of a city."

Once again Mallahan shows his elitist insider credentials and dislike of the unwashed masses that are the citizens and voters in Seattle, who should all bow down to their Olympian masters and appoint him Mayor just like Karzhai "won" the election in Afghanistan ...
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 2, 2009 at 10:59 AM
17
please stop bolding random words. bolding some words might make sense, like "killing of this officer," but bolding "stakeholder" or "new police chief" is worse than having a typo in your post.

a typo you can understand. but random bolding??
Posted by aff on November 2, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Will in Seattle 18
"People who support the tunnel support me" - so does that mean he only expects to get 30 percent of the total vote, cause the tunnel isn't popular in Seattle - or in the rest of the State, actually. It's only popular with developers and Billionaires.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM
DOUG. 19
Joe Mallahan would be an unmitigated disaster as mayor of Seattle. He is a corporate tool unable to use actual words to communicate to the public, instead using boardroom lingo to tell us nothing. Mallahan can try to evoke Barack Obama all he wants ("I was a Chicago community organizer too"), but in reality he is cut from the same cloth as George W Bush.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on November 2, 2009 at 11:13 AM
20
@7 i appreciate the trying but i just don't see the point of having rushed/overall poorly done minute by minute updates as it happens compared to a nice, readable, 3 paragraph write up 20-40 minutes after it's over. especially for a final debate which you know is going to be boring and nothing new. if i'm not tuning in, i don't want to read your notes, i want to read your interpretation and summary, and i don't need it the minute it happens.
Posted by Swearengen on November 2, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Will in Seattle 21
We need a leader not a "city manager". We're not some podunk town that has a city manager, we're a frickin world class city. One that people know about no matter where you travel around the world, because we do stuff.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 2, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Packeteer 22
The problem with referring to citizens as stakeholders is that it inferred those with a greater stake have a greater say. Each person's opinion is supposed to have equal weight in a democracy. In a corporation each person's opinion is weighted by the size of their investment. This is not how the city should be run.
Posted by Packeteer on November 2, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Packeteer 23
Also referring to the tunnel supporters as stakeholders is correct. Those that will gain more from the tunnel are a greater stakeholder. The tunnel is future business for these companies and it will be discussed based on how much of a "stake" each company has in it. This is how a corporation is run and that is normal and fine. As I said before this is not how a democracy should be run.
Posted by Packeteer on November 2, 2009 at 11:22 AM
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 24
@ 18

30% of the voters are developers or billionaires? That's a stunning statistic. I'd like to know your sources.
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on November 2, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Baconcat 25
@13: You have no idea what constitutes an in-kind contribution, do you? It just sounds dazzling and witty to you, right?
Posted by Baconcat on November 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Will in Seattle 26
@22 - correct. Seattle is a democracy, no matter how much Bill Gates and Paul Allen want it to be otherwise, and even if they move here they only get ONE VOTE. Period.

@24 - you know if this was a vote of the people on the tunnel you can't win - that's why you try to shove it down our throat without a vote of Seattle's citizens.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 2, 2009 at 12:09 PM
27
Mr. Baker...there was/is a specific group called "Stakeholders" that were gathered to discuss the Viaduct replacment options; referring to that group as Stakeholders is identifying a specific organized body of individuals.
Posted by Timothy on November 2, 2009 at 12:32 PM
28
Also...as a previous post noted...

I keep hearing Mallahan refer to Everett as the pearl of the northwest; I've heard in at least 2 debates and in other speaking engagements.

Does it not seem odd to people that he wouldn't consider Seattle, the town he's hoping to lead as Mayor, to be the pearl?

Joe, go to the dance with the girl you really want to be with. Don't consider us a consolation prize.
Posted by Timothy on November 2, 2009 at 12:34 PM
fixo 29
@23. I don't disagree with you, Packeteer. I believe the "stakeholders" concept gained currency when corporate governance theorists, employee pension funds and the like wanted a term that fit the idea that corporate boards should not be governed exclusively for the benefit of shareholders, but also for others who have a "stake" in what a corporation does, such as its employees, consumers of its products and services, and the communities in which it operates. Whether that idea should translate directly from corporations to local government is not clear to me at all. My big problem, though, is that, as used by Mallahan, "stakeholders" just a groovy, up-to-date word that means nothing at all without him providing details, which he NEVER seems to. He's just throwing around words (like "efficiency," and "accountability") hoping that nobody asks him to actually say something meaningful. Notice he doesn't say "all stakeholders," which goes to your point, Packeteer, that he really might be just nodding toward the tunnel-contractor class of stakeholders--those with the biggest "stake." Finally, I'm a corporate liberal, and I'm voting for McGinn. Corporations do not earn their profits and their success by throwing around empty slogans. It's a lot harder than that. Just as leading a City is a lot harder. Before this election is over, it is asking too much to ask that someone give us some idea what Mallahan actually did at T-Mobile? Yes, we know he was in "business." Was he any good at it? Did he succeed? Was he well-liked? Was he promoted?
Posted by fixo on November 2, 2009 at 1:00 PM
fixo 30
@23. I don't disagree with you, Packeteer. I believe the "stakeholders" concept gained currency when corporate governance theorists, employee pension funds and the like wanted a term that fit the idea that corporate boards should not be governed exclusively for the benefit of shareholders, but also for others who have a "stake" in what a corporation does, such as its employees, consumers of its products and services, and the communities in which it operates. Whether that idea should translate directly from corporations to local government is not clear to me at all. My big problem, though, is that, as used by Mallahan, "stakeholders" just a groovy, up-to-date word that means nothing at all without him providing details, which he NEVER seems to. He's just throwing around words (like "efficiency," and "accountability") hoping that nobody asks him to actually say something meaningful. Notice he doesn't say "all stakeholders," which goes to your point, Packeteer, that he really might be just nodding toward the tunnel-contractor class of stakeholders--those with the biggest "stake." Finally, I'm a corporate liberal, and I'm voting for McGinn. Corporations do not earn their profits and their success by throwing around empty slogans. It's a lot harder than that. Just as leading a City is a lot harder. Before this election is over, it is asking too much to ask that someone give us some idea what Mallahan actually did at T-Mobile? Yes, we know he was in "business." Was he any good at it? Did he succeed? Was he well-liked? Was he promoted?
Posted by fixo on November 2, 2009 at 1:37 PM
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 31
@26

So, as a tunnel supporter, which am I? A developer or a billionaire?

Or are you just full of hyperbolic bull shit?...
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on November 2, 2009 at 1:58 PM
ralph 32
Regarding the stakeholders, McGinn was one of those that pushed for a stakeholder process:

http://www.downtownseattle.com/content/d…

Of course, after the stakeholders decided that his mad scientist surface option didn't work, he had to come up with a new plan to save the planet. First he said they had supported the plan, and then after getting called on the lie he basically has said that their opinions aren't of consequence. What a sad sack he is.
Posted by ralph on November 2, 2009 at 2:18 PM
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 33
@22

Where each person's vote may be equal in a democracy, their opinions are not.

After the votes are counted, the opinions of the winners constituency are more equal than the opinions of the losers constituency, the opinions of the major donors to the winner are more equal than either of those, and, of course, the opinions of the winner are the most equal of all.
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on November 2, 2009 at 2:19 PM

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