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Tuesday, December 1, 2009

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Posted by on Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Washington Post:

The D.C. Council voted Tuesday to legalize same-sex marriage in the District, as the city moves quickly to join five states in allowing gay couples to marry. After months of debate, the council passed the bill 11 to 2. It still must take a second vote in two weeks before the measure can go to Mayor Adrian M. Fenty (D), who has said he will sign it.

 

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kim in portland 1
:)
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on December 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM · Report this
Loveschild 2
There's still an upcoming final vote left for next month, so if the people are not allowed to exercise their vote as they should or if no provision is made for them to do so in the future elections then this will indeed be imposed on them.

They're trying to do the same thing in NJ thru an exiting Corzine and his lackeys in the legislature, not allowing the people an input running it down thru a council having an soon to be out governor sign it into law. Same lame attempt being brought forth today in the Ny senate also.

I'm pretty confident that the people of NY and NJ will demand to have a vote on this but as for the majority of DC residents who happen to be people of faith and pro-family, they've got to realize now more than ever that time is running out for them. If you as a resident of DC have always felt and rightly so that you have been deprived from the same benefits as other states have and that you've basically have no voice on the matters that govern your district then you have to realize that if the council gets away with something like this it will only serve to reinforce the power grip that they have and the disenfranchisement that will keep on visiting you.
Posted by Loveschild http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/responding_to_haiti_earthquake/ on December 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM · Report this
Vince 3
Damn the bishops. Full speed ahead.
Posted by Vince on December 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 5
Loveschild, You're losing!
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on December 1, 2009 at 10:57 AM · Report this
Will in Seattle 6
Cool.

Maybe the church will leave DC and let other people use their valuable real estate for mosques with minarets?
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 1, 2009 at 11:02 AM · Report this
kim in portland 7
I bet these residents of DC are happy!

Declaration of Religious Support for Marriage Equality

We are District of Columbia clergy and religious leaders of many faiths, races, ethnicities, and sexual orientations. We represent religious institutions in every ward in the District. We have worked together over many years for peace and justice and now join our voices again to speak a faithful word for freedom and equality.

We declare that our faith calls us to affirm marriage equality for loving same-sex couples.

Our religious traditions and scriptures teach us that wherever love is present, God is also present. One of God's greatest gifts to us is our human capacity to love one another. The ability of two people to enter into relationships and form families of love and care is one expression of this gift. It is holy and good. We therefore affirm the right of loving same-gender couples to enter into such relationships on an equal basis with loving heterosexual couples.

We recognize that there are principled differences on this issue within the religious community. We affirm that the state should not require any religious group to officiate at, or bless, same-gender marriages. However, the state also should not favor the convictions of one religious group over another by denying individuals their fundamental civil right to marry whom they love.

Recognizing that there is heartfelt disagreement on this issue, we call on all people of the District of Columbia to engage in a respectful and loving dialogue on marriage equality. As religious leaders, we commit ourselves to such a dialogue and encourage our colleagues on all sides of this issue to do the same.

God is love and love is for everyone. In this spirit we raise our voices in the struggle for the right and freedom to marry.

Steering Committee

The Rev. Amy Butler, Calvary Baptist Church
The Rev. Karen Brau, Luther Place Church
The Rev. Kendal Brown, City of Refuge Church of Greater Washington
The Rev. Mari E. Castellanos, United Church of Christ
The Rev. Rainey Cheeks, Inner Light Ministries
The Rev. Graylan Hagler, Plymouth Congregational United Church of Christ
The Rev. Robert M. Hardies, All Souls Church, Unitarian
The Rev. Cedric Harmon, City of Refuge of Greater Washington
The Rev. Nathan Harris, Lincoln Temple United Church of Christ
The Rev. Ronald E. Hopson, First Congregational United Church of Christ
The Rev. Steve Huber, The Washington National Cathedral
The Rev. Jeff Krehbiel, Church of the Pilgrims
The Rev. Luis Leon, St Johns Church, Lafayette Square
The Rev. Dyan Abena McCray, Unity Fellowship Church
The Rabbi Toby Manewith, Bet Mishpachah
The Rev. Abena McCray, Unity Fellowship Church
The Rev. Noemi Mena, National City Christian Church (not yet confirmed)
The Rev. Alton B. Pollard, Howard Divinity School
The Rev. Rosetta Ross, Howard Divinity School
The Rev. Louis Shockley, Jr., Asbury United Methodist Church
The Rev. Dean Snyder, Foundry United Methodist Church
The Rev. Christine Y. Wiley, Covenant Baptist Church
The Rev. Dennis W. Wiley, Covenant Baptist Church

Co-Signers

Imam Daayiee Abdullah, Al-Fatiha Foundation
The Rev. Paul Abernathy, St. Mark's Episcopal Church, Capitol Hill
The Rev. Wm. D. Aldridge, Jr, Dumbarton United Methodist Church
The Rev. Mary Andreolli, Alliance of Baptists
The Rev. Charlie Arehart, Metropolitan Community Church
Elder Wallace Babington, retired, Washington, DC
The Rev. Steven C. Baines, National City Christian Church
The Rev. Eric Bebber, Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
The Rev. Elizabeth F. Bebber, Baptist minister
The Rev. John Beddingfield, All Souls Memorial Episcopal Church
The Rev. Alice Ogden Bellis, Howard University School of Divinity
Min. Eunesa Benoman, Covenant Baptist Church
Rabbi Arthur Blecher, Humanist Judaism
The Rev. Michael Bledsoe, Riverside Baptist Church
The Rev. Susan N. Blue, St. Margaret's Episcopal Church
The Rev. Timothy Boggs, St. Alban's Episcopal Parish
The Rev. Loyce Borgman, Church of the Brethren
The Rev. Ben Boswell, Commonwealth Baptist Church
The Rev. Rob Boulter, St. Columba's Episcopal Church
The Rev. Charles Braun, Bishop , Old Catholic
Min. John-Anthony Burchall, Covenant Baptist Church
Min. Debra L. Camphor, Covenant Baptist Church
Dr. Shaun Casey, Wesley Theological Seminary
Bishop John Bryson Chane, Episcopal Diocese of Washington
The Rev. Randolph C. Charles, the Church of the Epiphany
The Rev. Martha Clark, St. Augustine's Episcopal Church
The Rev. Douglas Clark, First Congregational United Church of Christ
Rabbi Kenneth L. Cohen, American University Hillel
The Rev. Donelda A. Cook, Covenant Baptist Church
The Rev, Countess Clark Cooper, Faith Temple
The Rev Jan Naylor Cope, Episcopal Diocese of Washington
The Rev. Henry Curry, Foundry United Methodist Church
Cantor Laura T. Croen, Temple Sinai
The Rev. Peter L. DeGroote, Senior Pastor, The United Church
Rev. Steven E. Delany, American Apostolic Church
The Rev. Jorge Delgado, Metropolitan Community Church of Washington
Min. DeWayne Davis, Metropolitan Community Church of Washington
Bishop Jane Holmes Dixon, retired, Episcopal Diocese of Washington
Rabbi Fred Scherlinder Dobb, Adat Shalom
The Rev. Bill Doggett, Christ Episcopal Church, Washington Parish
The Rev. Rose Duncan, St. Columba's Episcopal Church
The Rev. John F. Dwyer, St. Thomas' Episcopal Church
The Rev. Frank Gasque Dunn, St. Stephen and the Incarnation Episcopal Church
The Rev. Renata E. Eustis, Christ Lutheran Church
Rabbi Charles Feinberg, Adas Israel Congregation
Min. Michael R. Fisher, Jr., Covenant Baptist Church
The Rev. Carol Flett, Washington National Cathedral
The Rev. Sidney D. Fowler, Hope United Church of Christ
The Rev. Dr. Malcolm L. Frazier, Howard University
The Rev. Kenneth Fuller, Cleveland Park Congregational United Church of Christ
The Rev. Tony Gattis, Metropolitan Memorial United Methodist Church
The Rev. Roger Gench, The New York Avenue Presbyterian Church
The Rev. Barbara Gerlach, First Congregational United Church of Christ
Min. Teresa A. Gilchrist, Covenant Baptist Church
The Rev. Ann Gillespie, Christ Church, Alexandria
The Rev. Ashley Goff, Church of the Pilgrims
The Rev. John M. Graham, Grace Episcopal Church, Georgetown,
The Rev. Paula Clark Green, St. Patrick's Episcopal Church
The Rev. Louise Green, All Souls Church, Unitarian
The Rev. Douglas A. G. Greenaway, St. Paul's Episcopal Church, Rock Creek Parish
Ms. Eileen Guenther, Wesley Theological Seminary
The Rev. Leah Grundset, Calvary Baptist Church
The Rev. Brian E. Hamilton, Westminster Presbyterian DC
The Rev. Ruth W. Hamilton, Westminster Presbyterian DC
The Rev. Youtha Hardmam-Cromwell, Wesley Theological Seminary
Dr. Derrick Harkins, Nineteenth Street Baptist Church
The Rev. Vincent P. Harris, St. George's Episcopal Church
The Rev. Susan Hayward, First Congregational United Church of Christ
The Rev. Stan Hastey, Alliance of Baptists
The Rev. Lillie Henley, Universalist National Memorial Church
Ms. Mary Herman, Community Leader, Washington Ethical Society
Rabbi Joui M. Hessel, Washington Hebrew Congregation
Mr. Tony Hileman, Ethical Culture Leader
The Rev. Bernard F. Hillenbrand, Foundry United Methodist Church
The Rev. David Hopkins, Wesley Theological Seminary
The Rev. Denise Dombkowski Hopkins, Wesley Theological Seminary
The Rev. Monique Ellison, St. Luke's Episcopal Church
The Rev. Carolyn Hutchinson, Covenant Baptist Church
The Rev. Whit Hutchison, Pastor, Wesley United Methodist Church
The Rev. Margee Iddings, Church of the Pilgrims
The Rev. Msgr. Jameson, Cathedral of St. Matthew the Apostle
Deacon Carla Johnson, Unity Fellowship Church of Baltimore
The Rev. Skip Jordan, Metropolitan Community Church of Washington
The Rev. Meredith Lovell Keseley, St. Paul's Lutheran Church
The Rev. John S. Kidd, Augustana Lutheran Church
The Rev. Kenneth H. King, Covenant Baptist Church
Min. D. K. Kirkley-Cain, Covenant Baptist Church
The Rev. Thomas J. Knoll, First Trinity Lutheran Church
The Rev. Mary E. Kraus, Dumbarton United Methodist Church
The Rev. Alisa Lasater, Capitol Hill United Methodist Church
Rabbi Esther Lederman, Temple Micah
The Rev. Nancy Lee Jose, St. Thomas' Episcopal Church
Mr. Walter LeFlore, All Souls Church, Unitarian
The Rev. DeeAnne L. Lowman, Foundry United Methodist Church
The Rev. Melora Lynngood, Unitarian Universalist minister
The Rev. Shana A. Lynngood, All Souls Church, Unitarian
The Rev. Jeanne MacKenzie, Westminster Presbyterian Church
The Rev. Andrea Martin, St. Patrick's Episcopal Church
The Rev. Dean McDonald, Presbyterian minister
The Rev. James L. McDonald, Presbyterian minister
The Rev. Lorrie Mcpherson, Metropolitan Community Church of Washington
The Rev. Brian Merritt, The Palisades Community Church
The Rev. Carol Howard Merritt, Western Presbyterian Church
The Rev. Judith E. Michaels, New York Avenue Presbyterian Church
Monsignor Gerald V. Miller, S.S.M., St. John the Beloved
The Rev. Daryl LC Moch, Inner Light Ministries
The Rev. Wendy Moen, First Trinity Lutheran Church
The Rev. Steven B. Moore, National City Christian Church
The Rev. E. Maynard Moore, Metropolitan Memorial United Methodist Church
The Rev. Mary Clark Moschella, Wesley Theological Seminary
The Rev. Michael Willett Newheart, Howard University School of Divinity
The Rev. Susan Newman, Peoples Congregational United Church of Christ
The Rev. Richard A. Nugent, Unitarian Universalist minister
Rabbi Jessica Oleon, Temple Sinai
The Rev. Dale Ostrander, United Church of Christ minister
The Rev. Edgar Palacios, Calvary Baptist Church
The Rev. Joseph M. Palacios, Georgetown University
The Rev. Charles A. Parker, Metropolitan Memorial United Methodist Church
The Rev. John Peterson, Washington National Cathedral
The Rev. Amanda Poppei, Washington Ethical Society
Rabbi Mindy Avra Portnoy, Temple Sinai
The Rev. Sandy Rector, Metropolitan Memorial United Methodist Church
Rabbi Fred N. Reiner, Temple Sinai
Min. Robert A. Renix, Covenant Baptist Church
Rabbi Elizabeth Richman, Jews United for Justice
The Rev. Donald Robinson, Unitarian Universalist minister
Rabbi Emeritus Bob Saks, Congregation Bet Mishpacha
The Rev. Lisa A. Saunders, St. John's Church Lafayette Square
The Rev. Albert Scariato, St. John's Episcopal Church, Georgetown Parish
The Rev. Mark Schaefer, American University
The Rev. Garner W. Van Scoyoc, Retired
Bishop Michael Seneco, Presiding Bishop, North American Old Catholic Church
Rabbi Susan N. Shankman, Washington Hebrew Congregation
The Rev. Jimmy Sherrod, Metropolitan Memorial United Methodist Church
The Rev. Walter Shropshire, Jr. Foundry United Methodist Church
The Rev. Carl Siegel, Pastoral Counseling and Consultation Center
The Rev. Martin Smith, St. Columba's Episcopal Church
Ms. Deborah Sokolove, Wesley Theological Seminary
Rabbi Gil Steinlauf, Adas Israel Congregation
The Rev. Emily Blair Stribling, Washington National Cathedral
The Rev. Mary Sulerud, Episcopal Diocese of Washington
The Rev. Rosemari Sullivan, St. Paul's Episcopal Church, Rock Creek Parish
The Rev. John B. Tate, Jr Metropolitan Memorial United Methodist Church
The Rev. Theresa Thames-Lynch, Foundry United Methodist Church
The Rev. Gwendolyn Tobias, Washington National Cathedral
The Rev. Archene Turner, Unitarian Universalist minister
The Rev. Carlton Veazey, The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
The Rev. Janet Vincent, St. Columba's Episcopal Church
Min. Aaron Wade, Covenant Baptist Church
The Rev. George B. Walker, Jr., Peoples Congregational United Church of Christ
The Rev. Martha Wallace, Christ Church, Washington Parish
The Rev. Andrew Walton, Capitol Hill Presbyterian Church
The Rev. Edward A. White, Presbyterian minister
The Rev. Howard W. Wiley, Covenant Baptist Church
The Rev. Michael D. Wilker, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Min. Kelly D. Wilkins, Covenant Baptist Church
The Rev. Diane Brenda Williams, Baptist minister
The Rev. Penny Willis, Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
The Rev. Gayraud S. Wilmore, Presbyterian minister
The Rev. John W. Wimberly, Jr., Western Presbyterian Church
The Rev. J. Philip Wogaman, Wesley Theological Seminary
Rabbi Daniel G. Zemel, Temple Micah

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Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on December 1, 2009 at 11:04 AM · Report this
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I love DC even more now.
Posted by Seattle Sue on December 1, 2009 at 11:07 AM · Report this
viking kitten 9
@2 You can be sure if there's a vote in NJ we'll be voting! http://www.gardenstateequality.org/
Posted by viking kitten on December 1, 2009 at 11:07 AM · Report this
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Gay marriage legalization by the city council and Mayor Fenty are almost assured. But us DC residents need everyone else's help to keep this law alive. As some might know, almost all of DC's laws have to be approved by Congress. They don't have to vote "for" gay marriage, they just have to pretend like the bill is not before them and not make a stink for 30 days. Congress managed to keep their noses out of our business when we decided to recognize other state's gay marriages, and we need them to do the same one more time. Please, please, please, encourage YOUR congresspeople to let DC residents make their own laws through their duly elected representatives! The small minority who strongly oppose this bill are already making waves on the Hill!

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs…
Posted by Ms. D on December 1, 2009 at 11:16 AM · Report this
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I guess this means Michelle has to move out of the White House now since same sex marriage requires all hetero marriages to be dissolved. When is the president's new husband going to move in? Who is this dashing new first man?
Posted by Reg on December 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 12
Another blow to Loveschild's ever weakening marriage, and family.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on December 1, 2009 at 11:23 AM · Report this
very bad homo 13
New York is next!

The gay mission to "Destroy traditional marriage" is working!
Posted by very bad homo on December 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM · Report this
Baconcat 14
Every senate district in NY is represented in terms of having citizens advocating passage of their marriage bill and several on both sides of the aisle have indicated that the votes are more than there for passage, it's just all about getting it onto the floor. Which seems a little less impossible today.
Posted by Baconcat on December 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM · Report this
Will in Seattle 17
@16 - wow, did you really need to turn the whole thing into a link?
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 1, 2009 at 11:50 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 18
16, Lovechild, you're not going to stop it. Your shaky marriage and weak family will fall apart with each gay wedding that happens.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on December 1, 2009 at 11:51 AM · Report this
Posted by Loveschild http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/responding_to_haiti_earthquake/ on December 1, 2009 at 11:51 AM · Report this
Baconcat 20
@16: It's too late, Loveschild. Read this: http://www.clergyformarriage.com

Click events to see stuff like "Soulful Voices For Marriage".

Also, Asbury United Methodist Church has this on its calendar: "Thurs., October 29, 2009-Marriage Equality Service" -- http://www.asburyumcdc.org/churchDocs/Ca…

You might know of Asbury UMC: http://www.asburyumcdc.org/ -- formed in 1836.

It's over. Stop claiming to represent the majority, especially when those you claim are most against marriage equality are speaking out. Their voices are stronger than yours will ever be.
Posted by Baconcat on December 1, 2009 at 11:55 AM · Report this
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LMFAO at Lovechild.

And congratulation to Washington D.C.
Posted by Chitown Kev on December 1, 2009 at 11:57 AM · Report this
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LMFAO at Lovechild.

And congratulation to Washington D.C.
Posted by Chitown Kev on December 1, 2009 at 11:57 AM · Report this
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Oops. My apologies for the double post.

And a good afternoon to kim and I should say good afternoon to Dan too. Since it's his blog and all of that.
Posted by Chitown Kev on December 1, 2009 at 11:59 AM · Report this
Telsa Grills 24
@2: "so if the people are not allowed to exercise their vote as they should or if no provision is made for them to do so in the future elections then this will indeed be imposed on them."

No it won't. They elected their councillors to represent them as a constituency. What you're suggesting is the wholesale termination of representative democracy.
Posted by Telsa Grills on December 1, 2009 at 12:15 PM · Report this
leek 25
Awesome list of church leaders. (Dang, that's a lot of churches.)
Posted by leek on December 1, 2009 at 12:17 PM · Report this
kim in portland 26
Chitown Kev,

Good afternoon.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on December 1, 2009 at 12:17 PM · Report this
Geni 27
O Noez! I can feel my marriage starting to come apart at the seams!

...oh wait. That's just gas. My bad.
Posted by Geni on December 1, 2009 at 12:19 PM · Report this
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LC, the majority of the residents of the District support same-sex marriage...

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/displ…

"An early July survey of wards 1, 3, and 6 sponsored by leading local business types found that 76 percent of the 1,835 registered Democrats polled would support a council bill to legalize gay marriage. And, yes, those are three particularly white and liberal wards, but a lesser-known poll—done in the spring at the behest of the Human Rights Campaign, a national gay-rights advocacy group—indicated strong citywide support. According to sources who have seen the poll results, around 65 percent of respondents across all eight wards support legal gay marriage."

What would be a careless imposition of the will of the privileged few in other states would be for Congress to quash this law.
Posted by Ms. D on December 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM · Report this
Loveschild 29
@20

Sorry, but that's dishonest of you, the overwhelming majority of DC residents including churches want to protect marriage and are not seeking to erode that institution. You as an activist will go seeking for wherever you can get support, really surprises me you didn't directly throw in the usual suspects like the UUC or UC to run your point but the vast majority of mainstream churches are on the side of the family on this one.

It's clear that you and those of your ilk do not want the population of DC which is predominantly African American to be able to exercise the same right to vote that a predominately white state like ME has and that's why you're set on rushing on this bill and that makes it painfully obvious that you are not so sure of the support that you claim there exist for gay marriage otherwise your side wouldn't be fighting so hard to disenfranchise the population of the District of Columbia.

I just pray that they wake up from the slumber and heed the words of caution from a canary in the coal mine represented by intelligent sisters like Ms. Parker instead of letting people like you who don't belong to the community nor the culture and who don't have their best interest at heart bring on further disruption and problems thru bills like this one.
Posted by Loveschild http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/responding_to_haiti_earthquake/ on December 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM · Report this
Tetchy Brit 30
~points at Loveschild and laughs heartily~
Posted by Tetchy Brit on December 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM · Report this
Southern Gentleman 31
Loveschild, you're right about at least one thing: people who are in favor of this bill are in favor of protecting marriage. Allowing same-sex couples to marry doesn't "erode" marriage--it's merely an enhancement.

What concerns me is that you're fine with democracy only as long as it works in your favor. When the majority goes against you suddenly you're talking about canaries in coal mines. Has it occurred to you that your metaphor is meaningless since there's no actual threat posed by same-sex marriage? The biggest threat comes from people like you who wish to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of us, no matter how small a minority you become.
Posted by Southern Gentleman http://just-write.contentquake.com on December 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM · Report this
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@20 Lots of African Americans in DC support marriage equality. (I'm a former resident of that wonderful city.)
Posted by texan on December 1, 2009 at 12:54 PM · Report this
Loveschild 33
"But council member Harry Thomas Jr. (D-Ward 5) said he had no choice but to support the bill, even though many of his constituents oppose same-sex marriage."

It's the same battle of David against Goliath that has been fought over many times in black communities. Imposition vs the community and the community has been subjected many times before, it is up to them to keep it from happening again.
Posted by Loveschild http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/responding_to_haiti_earthquake/ on December 1, 2009 at 12:57 PM · Report this
Baconcat 34
@29: Please read @28. If DC is predominantly black, then at least 50% of black residents support marriage equality. Moreover, the list of congregations includes a majority of professed regular churchgoers in the district. A list you didn't bother to read at a website you didn't bother to visit.

To wit: Putting this up to a vote would be a violation of the District of Columbia's Human Rights Act anyway, which bars the District from pitting one citizen against the rights of another via secret ballot.
Posted by Baconcat on December 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 35
I have now rescinded my prior boycott of DC as a place to go for vacation, and it is now back on my list.

Which, given the value of the US dollar, makes it a high possibility.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM · Report this
Baconcat 36
@33: "Many of" does not indicate a majority.

It's the common story: black folks must toe the line of biblical absolutism, and any deviation is a plot or a series of lies that denies their fundamental blackness and puts them in the house and away from the shared black experience. So clearly, any supporter in the District who is black and straight is a liar, this you know absolutely, Loveschild.
Posted by Baconcat on December 1, 2009 at 1:00 PM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 37
Loveschild, that your marriage is eroding, it doesn't mean that others will. Stop projecting. The majority in DC are for marriage equality.

Oh and Loveschild, the vast majority of women in black communities (in DC and elsewhere) have their children out of wedlock, and that started long before the first gay marriage. So don't you look foolish now.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on December 1, 2009 at 1:04 PM · Report this
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@33 I imagine a lot of white southerners felt the same sense of imposition from outside as you're describing during the days of desegregation.
Posted by texan on December 1, 2009 at 1:13 PM · Report this
Loveschild 39
@31

Do you think it's right for a council to not be representing their constituency as they should? and if they're not going to represent them do you think that said constituency does not have a right to let them know what they feel thru the voting process? That's one of the main things i don't understand about gay marriage advocates, if y'all are so sure as Bacon states that people support you on this then why would you want to silence a minority that doesn't support you on this, that is, unless you know that such support doesn't really exist and you want to force a law upon the larger community.

And you know it does matter (you wouldnt be going after this if it didn't), because you know that gay marriage ceremonies won't be a private thing, people celebrate, engage in displays and children of other people will be witnessing such 'marriages' and you know that will create an impression in them that will influence them as they're still forming their sexual education and formation on the road to becoming a productive adult in society.

Just as you have a right to teach your kids that whatever it is that you believe is right, the rest of us have a right to educate our children with our moral or values and ethics and not have a council or legislature or a court decide for us. I have no interest to regulate what goes on behind close doors in your house, my only interest is on what happens to the public instituitons that govern us and what will be taught or fomented thru an imposition upon my community and therefor upon my family.
Posted by Loveschild http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/responding_to_haiti_earthquake/ on December 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM · Report this
Loveschild 40
Gay pairings should be left to live as they choose, I do believe that cause we are free to choose in this country but they don't have a right to be using lame duck legislatures, councils nor governors in order to redefine basic institutions for the rest of us.
Posted by Loveschild http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/responding_to_haiti_earthquake/ on December 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM · Report this
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I'm so proud of our city! If anyone's interested in making the trip to get hitched, the monuments make fantastic wedding photos.

And Loveschild, you're killing me. Have you ever been here? We're very liberal, and that isn't limited to any particular skin color.
Posted by DCGirl on December 1, 2009 at 1:33 PM · Report this
Southern Gentleman 42
Gay pairings should be left to live as they choose, I do believe that cause we are free to choose in this country but they don't have a right to be using lame duck legislatures, councils nor governors in order to redefine basic institutions for the rest of us.


Loveschild, I applaud the first part of that although your comments elsewhere indicate you don't really believe what you're saying.

What you fail to understand, though, is that no one's redefining the "basic institution" of marriage for you. You can still marry someone of the opposite sex if you choose. All that's occurring here is that the DC legislature--like legislatures in other places and, for that matter, the governments of Canada, Spain, and soon Portugal--is recognizing that same-sex couples exist and that there's no legal reason to deny them the same rights that are granted opposite-sex couples.

Note that I said legal reason. If there's a religious reason then that's between you and whatever god(s) you believe in. But please don't try to claim your religious beliefs are superior and that they grant you the right to decide who's worthy of certain rights and who isn't.
Posted by Southern Gentleman http://just-write.contentquake.com on December 1, 2009 at 1:42 PM · Report this
D310 43
OOOOOOOOH, LC!!!!

You're soooooooo WRONG...I'm literally and sincerely impressed by how consistently misguided, uninformed, mis-informed and un-compassionate you your world view is.

-That's all.
Posted by D310 on December 1, 2009 at 2:02 PM · Report this
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I'm glad the DC city council didn't give in to the hypocritical blackmail of the Roman Catholic bishops. Yeah!
Posted by LMcGuff http://holyoutlaw.livejournal.com/ on December 1, 2009 at 2:03 PM · Report this
D310 45
@42.

Wonderful rebuttal. Sadly, LC doesn't understand English.
Posted by D310 on December 1, 2009 at 2:04 PM · Report this
Baconcat 46
@39: You're a charlatan is why, Loveschild. You think that usurping a representative democracy in favor of forcing an as-yet unsure public into something administrative that does not effect them directly (regardless of your "kids will see gay marriage ceremonies!!!" palaver) is the right way to go? No, you don't. You've shown, with R-71, that you do NOT respect the public's voice if they don't vote the way you want them to, and yet you excoriate the gay community for being a littlelot bothered with having their rights stripped from them by a public who demands arbitrary control over the lives of others.

And if you're so interested in what's best for your children, why are you so afraid of extending a right that a majority of those under 25 support? Oh, that's right, you don't care about children, only your legacy and treating children not as their own selves but as an extension of your ego.
Posted by Baconcat on December 1, 2009 at 2:10 PM · Report this
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LC can't confront the plain, bare facts. 65% of DC residents, across all wards, and therefore all races and socioeconomic classes, support marriage equality. And 169 churches support the legislation (that's A LOT for a city of ~600K), including some predominately black churches. Note how she has not responded to these statements of FACT, only spouted wild speculation that if gay marriages are legal, they will magically turn kids homo and cause heteros to be even less capable of maintaining healthy, stable relationships (despite the fact that the gay commitment ceremony business is pretty good here in DC, and all the local papers run gay wedding/commitment announcements, and gay people can regularly be seen throughout the city, and domestic partnerships have been legal here for years, and none of this has happened yet...). Infringing on the majority's rights, indeed.
Posted by Ms. D on December 1, 2009 at 2:18 PM · Report this
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@21- lmfao and Loveschild? Two great tastes that deserve each other, I'd wager.
Posted by dwight moody on December 1, 2009 at 2:50 PM · Report this
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The province of Maryland, in 1717, (ch. 13, s. 5,) passed a law declaring 'that if any free negro or mulatto intermarry with any white woman, or if any white man shall intermarry with any negro or mulatto woman, such negro or mulatto shall become a slave during life, excepting mulattoes born of white women, who, for such intermarriage, shall only become servants for seven years, to be disposed of as the justices of the county court, where such marriage so happens, shall think fit; to be applied by them towards the support of a public school within the said county. And any white man or white woman who shall intermarry as aforesaid, with any negro or mulatto, such white man or white woman shall become servants during the term of seven years, and shall be disposed of by the justices as aforesaid, and be applied to the uses aforesaid.'
Posted by stevema14420 http://www.aebn.net on December 1, 2009 at 2:53 PM · Report this
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The other colonial law to which we refer was passed by Massachusetts in 1705, (chap. 6.) It is entitled 'An act for the better preventing of a spurious and mixed issue,' &c.; and it provides, that 'if any negro or mulatto shall presume to smite or strike any person of the English or other Christian nation, such negro or mulatto shall be severely whipped, at [60 U.S. 393, 409] the discretion of the justices before whom the offender shall be convicted.'
Posted by stevema14420 http://www.aebn.net on December 1, 2009 at 2:54 PM · Report this
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They show that a perpetual and impassable barrier was intended to be erected between the white race and the one which they had reduced to slavery, and governed as subjects with absolute and despotic power, and which they then looked upon as so far below them in the scale of created beings, that intermarriages between white persons and negroes or mulattoes were regarded as unnatural and immoral, and punished as crimes, not only in the parties, but in the person who joined them in marriage. And no distinction in this respect was made between the free negro or mulatto and the slave, but this stigma, of the deepest degradation, was fixed upon the whole race.
Posted by stevema14420 http://www.aebn.net on December 1, 2009 at 2:57 PM · Report this
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US Supreme Court - Dred Scott
Posted by stevema14420 http://www.aebn.net on December 1, 2009 at 2:59 PM · Report this
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Loveschild - can gays get married if they become your slave for seven years? Or should we be severely whipped for offending your values?
Posted by stevema14420 http://www.aebn.net on December 1, 2009 at 3:02 PM · Report this
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@39: " I have no interest to regulate what goes on behind close doors in your house"

Marriages don't take place behind closed doors.
Posted by texan on December 1, 2009 at 4:09 PM · Report this
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Can we just stop a minute to observe...

The vote was taken by the members of DC City Council, who are elected by the residents of DC and who will have to go back to them and ask for their votes again.

The majority of residents of the District of Columbia support marriage equality. Their elected council is following their wishes.

Any individual is free to not like it, but this is democracy in action.
Posted by texan on December 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM · Report this
Mrs. Norris 58
@39-
"gay marriage ceremonies won't be a private thing, people celebrate, engage in displays and children of other people will be witnessing such 'marriages' and you know that will create an impression in them that will influence them as they're still forming their sexual education and formation on the road to becoming a productive adult in society."

Wow, what a great example of the slippery slope logical fallacy.

Posted by Mrs. Norris on December 1, 2009 at 11:24 PM · Report this
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40, Loveschild, that your weak marriage will be redefined by gay marriage doesn't mean that everyone else's will. Again, in Mass, they have both gay marriage, and the lowest divorce rate. Don 't blame gay marriage for your marital problems.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on December 2, 2009 at 5:18 AM · Report this
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To add, Loveschild, in Iowa, over 90% of people say their lives have not been affected by the legalization of gay marriage. That you define your marriage based on others says more about you and the sad state of your marriage than it does about gay weddings effects on society.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on December 2, 2009 at 5:28 AM · Report this
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Gotta say that somewhere in New Jersey, Maggie Gallagher's head exploded, and down on K Street Brian Brown is sweating at NOM Headquarters, which incidently, is where the Hubby and I want to have our wedding in the new year. I wonder if Mags would consent to being the Matron of Dis-Honor?
Posted by ScottnDC on December 2, 2009 at 6:29 AM · Report this
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Come on, Rob, dont you know that legalisation of gay marriage will completely destroy the hetero marriage! The day it's legal you'll watch me go "hey, Kim, Julie, i didnt see that coming but you girls are smoking hot" we all drop our husbands, boyfriends or flirting with handsome coworkers/friends and start chasing each other.

Seriously, i never figured out logic that LC and others like her use. How in the world can gay marriage affect a straight person? I'll get to shell out cash for a few more wedding presents each year and suffer thru wearing stockings or pantyhose when attending the official part. Done! Is that a price i'd refuse to pay for happiness of my neighbor? Weird logic,indeed..
Posted by Alinka on December 2, 2009 at 12:56 PM · Report this
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What is so frightening about two people loving each other for life and wanting everything that marriage can and should bring to them? Is someone worried that we heteros are going to get less? There are homosexuals in every vocation religion, ethnic group, and every social and economic group. This is nothing new. It's been around for thousands of years. This is just another "You're different so I hate you" thing or "if you don't beleive the way i do I'll make your life absolutely miserable" thing. Until you see someone recruiting in the school yards, don't get your panties in a knot.No one is getting hurt with this.We all just want the same rights. Teach your kids the way you beleive. But remember, they'll still be who they were meant to be.

Posted by dani girl on December 3, 2009 at 1:26 AM · Report this
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Marriage rights are not a zero-sum game. Giving the right to marry to same-sex couples does not remove any right that opposite-sex couples have with regards to matrimony. I'm sick of people making bombastic, hyperbolic claims that extending marriage to GLBT folks would somehow adversely affect heterosexual marriage. It's nonsense, anyone with more brains than a box of rocks KNOWS it's nonsense. They're just afraid they won't have anyone to mock and discriminate against and treat like second-class citizens anymore.

In sum: fuck you, homophobic bigots. You're losing, and the sooner you STFU and go away, the happier I'll be.
Posted by Geni on December 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM · Report this

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