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Tuesday, July 12, 2011

Nightline Report On Marcus Bachmann's Pray-Away-The-Gay Practice

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In other Marcus Bachmann news: some people are wondering just what kind of a doctor Michele's fabulous husband is.


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Dan - put a bug in somebody's ear to investigate those "23 foster children" of the Bachmanns. Only a few articles I've read have mentioned that they were mostly patients of Mr. Bachmann and all but one stayed less than a month. The Bachmanns were never licensed foster parents and they suddenly quit "fostering" in 10 years ago.

Sounds pretty close to one of your "youth pastor" stories.
Posted by SoSea Resident on July 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM · Report this
gttim 2
Well, maybe the "Pray-Away-the_gay" is working a little bit for Bachmann's husband. Then again, maybe not!
Posted by gttim on July 12, 2011 at 7:30 AM · Report this
@1 I am very curious about this too -- and it seems such an obvious avenue for investigation. I have heard that all 23 were female, with mental health issues -- another red flag, if I ever saw one. Or else they're conveniently calling a certain class of patients as "foster kids".

But with 23 kids -- you KNOW they were not all being fostered for 10 years or more... sheesh.

IF her fostering turns out legit, I will be the first to apologize...

But either way, why the hell does she keeps voting against programs that support and help fostered children and their parents... o.O Whether or not she actually fostered, she's on public record as saying she's fostered (and therefore it's a good thing, etc., etc., etc.) (and therefore she's benefited from gov't assistance, etc., etc., etc.).
Posted by BEG!/browneyedgirl65 on July 12, 2011 at 8:04 AM · Report this
I hate these people. I'm out of the US more often than not and while my friends all love most things about America, they just don't get how this issue is still alive.

My boyfriend is from Portugal and lives in London. We could get married in either place. But I can't bring him home and make him my husband. It's embarrassing.

These religious fucks expect us to pay more than our share of taxes but want to disenfranchise us at every turn. You can't have it both ways. If there's a tax break for being a fag (and I have scoured the tax code looking for it but to no avail) then I will blow him on the steps of the IRS headquarters.

These people are always saying that they don't have to "accept" or "tolerate" our "lifestyle choice". What they don't seem to realize is that most of us don't want them to cross the street to embrace us. We just want them to leave us the fuck alone.
Posted by Global Traveler on July 12, 2011 at 8:38 AM · Report this
AmyC 5
i'm conflicted by these sorts of journalists have a way of writing stories that appear perfectly objective, but use tone of voice and rhythm of delivery to communicate their ideas about the story (listen to how ross says the words "christian prayer" and "reparative counseling"). while i think the concept of praying away the gay deserves all the derision it gets in the media, and then some, this is precisely the sort of thing that gets the fundies frothing at the mouth. they're all over stories like this like beetles on shit, wailing about how the liberal left-wing media has it out for the godfearing people. i'm not saying nightline should have adoped a more conciliatory tone. just that this kind of story doesn't *actually* inform anyone of anything. those of us who are inclined to believe what is presented in the story already know that this sort of shit goes down all the time (though the exact details of this instance may be new information). the rest just sense attack in the tone and assume their defensive crouch. frustrating.
Posted by AmyC on July 12, 2011 at 8:47 AM · Report this
Mr. Michele is NO KIND OF DOCTOR. Period. He is not licensed by the state. And he wouldn't even qualify for a credential from the American Psychological Association. And if he has one, the PsyD is not the equivalent of a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology. He is being portrayed - by himself and Michele - fraudulently for nefarious purposes. And by the media in general out of ignorance. He is the kind of "doctor" who is dangerous in a thousand ways.
Posted by LuisitaPhD on July 12, 2011 at 8:49 AM · Report this
I guess this is just one more piece of evidence that I'm not an American, since the American people aren't interested in this issue. What a despicable pair these two are.
Posted by LuisitaPhD on July 12, 2011 at 8:57 AM · Report this
I think it is a mistake to think of Bachmann as a mainstream candidate. She is the republican Al Sharpton. Appealing to some of the party's base, but seen as a crack pot and a scam artist by everybody else.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on July 12, 2011 at 9:08 AM · Report this
I sometimes think of myself as a Pacific Coaster ;)
Posted by BEG!/browneyedgirl65 on July 12, 2011 at 9:08 AM · Report this
Vince 10
This is precisely the kind of bullshit that comes from tax money for religion. Faith based bigotry by ignorant religious fanatics.
Posted by Vince on July 12, 2011 at 9:14 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 11
Ah, yes. Henceforth, anybody who has a doctorate in any discipline shall be referred to as "doctor."

You may now call me "Dr. 5280."
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty on July 12, 2011 at 9:20 AM · Report this
venomlash 12
@11: Dr. 5280! We need some snarky commentary, stat!
Posted by venomlash on July 12, 2011 at 9:22 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 13
I'm not all that snarky this morning. Wait til I've had another couple of beers.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty on July 12, 2011 at 9:35 AM · Report this
Fnarf 14
If this kind of therapy worked, one should be able to pray away the Bachmanns as well, since whatever they have wrong with them is a trillion times more damaging than any gay issues their "patients" may have. And yet they are still here.
Posted by Fnarf on July 12, 2011 at 9:56 AM · Report this
TreGibbs 15
Dr. Marcus Bachmann, Fe.D. (Doctor of Fellatio)
Posted by TreGibbs on July 12, 2011 at 10:04 AM · Report this
@14 Actually, we don't have to pray the Bachmanns out of existence, just out of public life, so that should be a lot easier.

I'm willing to bet Marcus has a few skeletons, personal and professional. And this "fostering" thing sounds pretty fishy, too.

Pray for sunlight.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on July 12, 2011 at 10:06 AM · Report this
Mike in MO 17
I fucking HATE that everyone in the media buys into the "Dr" part. They don't even bother to mention that his "Dr" is in...what exactly is it in? While we're at it, let's stop calling that unhloy cunt Laura "Dr" too.
Posted by Mike in MO on July 12, 2011 at 10:22 AM · Report this
AmyC 18
@17 - right. totally makes me think of the schtick in friends where ross is always introducing himself as "dr. geller" and rachel's always like, "jesus, ross, shut up. fucking dentists are barely even doctors."
Posted by AmyC on July 12, 2011 at 10:30 AM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 19
@5 Uh, did you just start watching tv news this month?
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on July 12, 2011 at 10:34 AM · Report this
Hey Dan, was just listening to this week's podcast. You know- the one where you spent the first five minutes sounding like a junior high school bully mocking a person for their "gay voice"?

The sad part? I agree with your anger towards this fucked up asshole with closet-case written all over him. But there are simply better ways to tackle this and highlight it's significance. If you had shown the clip, mentioned your take on it and then gone on to discuss how the people most anti-gay are generally themselves self-hating gays would have been fine. But you spent five whole minutes literally making gay jokes and using an overtly effeminate voice in an extremely childish-mocking fashion. Marcus Bachmann's voice was MORE than clear enough. We didn't need you doing your own version of it to get the point across. Honestly.

You sounded like a really crass bully- and this is coming from someone who didn't think your approach to Santorum was even remotely "bullying".

It just makes me feel extremely conflicted here. Here is a deeply disturbed asshole who has spent his life trying to repress and subjugate an entire orientation because of his obvious self-loathing insecurities. He's spent his life bullying and attacking gay people. And yet it STILL felt like you took it too far today in your podcast- mostly due to the tone of your rant and less the message behind it.

I would ask that you try to make some effort to go after this asshole in a different manner. I applaud your efforts to expose this rampant, self-hating shit-head- but I really would ask for you to try a different tactic.
Posted by Aedan Robinson on July 12, 2011 at 10:40 AM · Report this
Ophian 21
There is probably better info out there, but this starts to clarify the picture of both his sham of a university, and his BS degree:…

Hey I'm ordained by the Universal Life Church, but I don't insist that I be addressed as The Right Honorable Reverend Ophian--on second thought...
Posted by Ophian on July 12, 2011 at 10:41 AM · Report this
Karl42 22
LOOK at the guy. Gay, Gay, Gay. See, I can spot 'em like THAT!

What better person to marry than a closet-case, Michelle?

Oh, the female foster kids were for Michelle.
Posted by Karl42 on July 12, 2011 at 10:44 AM · Report this
Who the hell uses the word "barbarians" these days? Bachmann must've met her husband time traveling to ancient rome, which prob explains her views.
Posted by kpunk on July 12, 2011 at 11:18 AM · Report this
I particularly love the claim that they can't say anything about their methods because that would violate patient confidentiality. That's like, an obstetrician saying they can't tell you about epidurals because that would violate the confidentiality of patients they've given epidurals to. It's like "confidentiality" is a buzzword that they think will get people nodding like Pavlov's dogs.
Posted by Margaret L. on July 12, 2011 at 11:24 AM · Report this
in-frequent 25
Okay, I think that reparative therapy doesn't work, and moreso can be very harmful to the patient. That said, what if that's what the adult patient requests? I suppose a responsible clinic should first explain the potential harms, and that only behavior change is possible, not actually a change in orientation. I guess I answered my own question. But if after all that, the patient still wants to try, should the patient be allowed?
Posted by in-frequent on July 12, 2011 at 11:24 AM · Report this
in-frequent 26
@24 not only that, but the patients have already released them from confidentiality regarding the specifics discussed. confidentiality is a protection for the patient, not the doctor.
Posted by in-frequent on July 12, 2011 at 11:26 AM · Report this
@25 The patient can try whatever the heck they want, but not the practitioner. For a licensed practitioner to use practices that they know are ineffective and harmful is a breach of professional ethics. Even if the patient asks for it. Imagine this in a medical context rather than a psycological one, and it becomes immediately obvious.
Posted by Margaret L. on July 12, 2011 at 11:35 AM · Report this
jimmy 28
One can not bully someone who holds a position of power, as does Mr. Bachmann. He is fair game. The reason one is bullied is because they appear, and often are, powerless and meek. Bachmann, a public figure, is neither. The thing about being equal is we are all fair game. But, to predate upon one who is powerless, for kicks, is what bullying is all about.
Posted by jimmy on July 12, 2011 at 12:42 PM · Report this
Fnarf @ 14 -- If your belief were only strong enough, it would work.
Posted by RonK, Seattle on July 12, 2011 at 12:45 PM · Report this
@14, 17
The beautifully ironic thing about the pray-away-the-gay trend is that it so clearly doesn't work, demonstrating that either Christianity is totally bullshit on the gay issue and God thinks that self-oppression is much worse than being gay or that there is no all-powerful God who cares what you do, so xtianity is bullshit on all fronts.
Posted by beccoid on July 12, 2011 at 1:45 PM · Report this
You know who I think are barbaric heathens? Dicks like these who profess some kind of bastardized Christianity and use it for their own evil ends. Motherfucking dipshits.
Posted by Mer-Mer on July 12, 2011 at 1:59 PM · Report this
Not strictly related to this post, but it would seem that Dan's going to be on The Colbert Report again tonight, so Savage fans might like to tune in ;)
Posted by flechesbleues on July 12, 2011 at 2:27 PM · Report this
BEG 33
More on darlin' Michelle from Mother Jones: What Exactly Did Michele Bachmann Learn …

That religious shit just gives me the heebie jeebies.
Posted by BEG!/browneyedgirl65 on July 12, 2011 at 2:54 PM · Report this
Both of them are sounding more and more like charlatans every minute.
Posted by gclure on July 12, 2011 at 4:58 PM · Report this
The two of them are sounding creepier every day.
Posted by gclure on July 12, 2011 at 5:00 PM · Report this
zachd 36
@21: They also offer a doctoral program.

-Dr. Zach
Posted by zachd on July 12, 2011 at 5:03 PM · Report this
kmanthie 37
Pray?? There'd have to be a god for you to pray to and since there isn't one you're wasting your time, you damn bigot. Too bad there isn't a hell either because you'd be down there burning in it along with hitler and ted bundy and ronald reagan
Posted by kmanthie on July 12, 2011 at 6:40 PM · Report this
you can get any advanced degree your little heart desires at the Mustard Museum in Mount Horeb, WI.
Posted by themostbitterpersonintheworld on July 12, 2011 at 8:22 PM · Report this
I found this an interesting article on religious gay folks who truly struggle with their strongly-held beliefs vs. their sexual attractions.…

How do therapists help these people who are in genuine pain and turmoil? Do you push them toward a more honest, authentic life? Even at the cost of their family, support system, possibly even their faith? What if the goal is helping them get to a place where they can live with themselves, where they have a sense of balance?
Posted by clashfan on July 12, 2011 at 8:35 PM · Report this
If that link no worky, here's the tinyurl to the NYT article:
Posted by clashfan on July 12, 2011 at 8:38 PM · Report this

The real story is the Devereux Foster Care Organization. Dig deeper into the training or lack of training of the foster parents. Look into the records of the psychiatrists who qualify the clients, mostly teenage boys, usually minorities, for Devereux's mentally troubled youth placement into foster homes.

I have documentation.

Posted by missdaisy on July 15, 2011 at 12:13 PM · Report this

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