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Wednesday, December 14, 2011

The Worst School District In America

Posted by on Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:58 AM

The New York Times reported on Anoka-Hennepin School District back in September:

This sprawling suburban school system, much of it within Michele Bachmann’s Congressional district, is caught in the eye of one of the country’s hottest culture wars—how homosexuality should be discussed in the schools. After years of harsh conflict between advocates for gay students and Christian conservatives, the issue was already highly charged here. Then in July, six students brought a lawsuit contending that school officials have failed to stop relentless antigay bullying and that a district policy requiring teachers to remain “neutral” on issues of sexual orientation has fostered oppressive silence and a corrosive stigma.... Adding an extra incendiary element, the school district has suffered eight student suicides in the last two years, leading state officials to declare a “suicide contagion.”

Here's what a few kids have been put through in the Anoka-Hennepin school district:

Kyle Rooker, 14, one of the plaintiffs in a lawsuit accusing the district of failing to protect gay students, sank into a severe depression last spring after constant harassment by students who perceived him as gay. His parents moved him to a school in another district where, they said, the atmosphere has been friendlier.

Brittany Geldert, 14, another plaintiff, has called herself bisexual since seventh grade and said she had repeatedly been called “dyke” while teachers looked the other way. Her grades plummeted, her poetry took a dark turn and she has been hospitalized for severe depression and suicidal thoughts. She is staying in the district and hopes things will be better in high school.

Damian, 14, whose parents did not want his last name used, says he has been called names and shoved because he is the adopted son of gay parents, and called gay himself because he is a gymnast. Jason Backes, one of his fathers, said that the family had complained repeatedly to the school without relief and that officials had responded in a way that embarrassed Damian—having him leave classes several minutes early to avoid hallway encounters. “The opponents say we want to teach about gay sex in the classroom, but that’s the last thing we want,” Mr. Backes said. “We’re not asking them to promote anything,” he said. “But if a kid has gay parents, or is gay or lesbian, why can’t the school say, ‘You’re O.K.’?”

Teachers and administrators can't tell a gay kid that he's okay, or that his family is okay, because that would violate Anoka-Hennepin's "neutrality" policy. That policy also prevents teachers and administrators from telling bigots and bullies that what they're doing—not what they're thinking, not what they believe, but what they're doing—is wrong:

Gay children, and some parents and supporters, say these efforts are undercut by what they call the district’s “gag order” on discussion of sexual diversity.... district staff members, when they witnessed or heard reports of antigay harassment, tended to “ignore, minimize, dismiss, or in some instances, to blame the victim for the other students’ abusive behavior.”

Now there's an effort to change Anoka-Hennepin's neutrality policy—which has resulted in teachers not intervening when they see LGBT kids being bullied (because that means taking the side of the bullied kids, and that wouldn't be neutral)—and this effort is being hotly opposed by "Christian" parents. These "Christian" parents insist that Anoka-Hennepin's current "neutrality" policy provides "a model for the nation in protecting kids from classroom homosexual propaganda," and that any change will "flood the classroom with homosexual propaganda." Only someone who delights in the deaths of children would describe a policy that has contributed to eight suicides in two years as a "model for the nation."

And the proposed change these "Christian" parents are working so hard to block? It's every bit as cowardly, indefensible, and offensive as Anoka-Hennepin's current policy. CNN:

The Anoka-Hennepin School District's sexual orientation curriculum policy, adopted in 2009, bars teachers from taking a position on homosexuality in the classroom and says such matters are best addressed outside of school. It's become known as the neutrality policy. During Monday night's hearing, the school board will propose replacing that policy with a "controversial topics curriculum policy" that, according to the proposed wording, "recognizes the importance of providing information about controversial topics in a democracy."

LGBT kids are not "controversies." They are children. They are children who are being bullied and brutalized and driven out of Anoka-Hennepin's schools—and sometimes driven to suicide—by bigots and the children of bigots.

The Anoka-Hennepin school district must stop pandering to the kind of "Christians" who look at a pile of eight dead children and see a "model for the nation." (This might be a good time to speak up, NALTS.) Contact info for the Anoka-Hennepin school board here.

 

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your posts suck less when they aren't 1 sentence (if that) and a link
Posted by Swearengen on December 14, 2011 at 9:05 AM · Report this
rebeccax 2
It's so sad to hear this. I lived in Minneapolis for 10 years. Hennepin county and Minnesota's 5th congressional district is one of the bluest in the nation; represented by Martin Szabo for many years and now Keith Ellison. Anoka county is another story. And certainly wingnuts like Michelle Bachman do not fit the political profile of Hennepin county. Probably why she lives in the conservative burbs.

Those kids deserve all the protection they can get.
Posted by rebeccax on December 14, 2011 at 9:15 AM · Report this
Vince 3
Sigh. Your children are being murdered and you don't care. Religion kills. It always has and it always will. And now that it's killing your children, you still don't see. History is going to deal harshly with you. The way it has dealt with all the many, and there have been many, "Christian" mass murders. Think about that before another of your children is murdered.
Posted by Vince on December 14, 2011 at 9:22 AM · Report this
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It makes me sick to think this is going on in our country.

We need to protect these kids and their families. They deserve to live in freedom and peace.
Posted by Fire Chief on December 14, 2011 at 9:26 AM · Report this
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One of the plaintiffs, Kyle Rooker, 14, has not declared his sexual orientation but was perceived by classmates as gay, he said, in part because he likes to wear glittery scarves and belt out Lady Gaga songs.


Perceived?
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on December 14, 2011 at 9:26 AM · Report this
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I was called various gay and racial slurs at school from 1st grade on growing up in Las Vegas, and so were countless other kids. None of us were driven to suicide by any of it.

It sucks some of these kids were driven to suicide, but we're not talking about horrific conditions here... but the sadly natural byproduct of an ignorant society we've lived in for centuries and, for all our progress, will continue to house some degree of bile-ridden bigotry.

Dialogue on this issue is necessary, but Boston Massacre-ian hysteria over conditions that have always existed, all over the country, isn't going to help you.
Posted by Gomez http://misterstevengomez.com on December 14, 2011 at 9:34 AM · Report this
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Promoting and glorifying teen suicides, the way our Danny does to promote his personal agenda, in fact does create a 'suicide contagion'.
Butt its all good because the more teen suicide the better for Danny.
Posted by Collateral Damage in the Cultural Wars on December 14, 2011 at 9:35 AM · Report this
despicable me 8
Jesus.Fucking.Christ
Posted by despicable me on December 14, 2011 at 9:39 AM · Report this
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The horrors are UNSPEAKABLE.

OK, if you insist....

" her poetry took a dark turn ...."

"and called gay himself because he is a gymnast!"
Posted by How Can It Possibly Get Better After THIS?! on December 14, 2011 at 9:40 AM · Report this
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I see what you're saying, Gomez, but didn't you deserve better than the way you were treated, and don't these kids? I was bullied too and I didn't kill myself either, but I understand why these kids do. When you're a teenager, (possibly in your first depressive episode?) it feels like the pain will never end. These are horrific conditions, and we need to take these cries for help seriously before other kids die.
Posted by sallybobally on December 14, 2011 at 9:43 AM · Report this
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*Sigh*......
Your children are being murdered and you don't care.
Homosexuality kills.
It always has and it always will.
And now that it's killing your children, you still don't see. History is going to deal harshly with you.
The way it has dealt with all the many, and there have been many, humanist mass murders.
Think about that before another of your children is murdered.
Posted by Homosexuality=Death on December 14, 2011 at 9:44 AM · Report this
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The policy does not prevent educating students about bullying and does not prevent addressing bullying.

Butt Danny wants homosexuals carved out as a special class that gets special attention.

Bullying is wrong.

ALL bullying.

Efforts to stop bullying should protect ALL kids;
fat, religious, geeky;
ALL kids.
Posted by Bullying Is Wrong. period. on December 14, 2011 at 9:55 AM · Report this
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Danny wants teachers to tell homosexual kids that what they do is "OK".

Even though it places them a much greater risk of STDs and mental illness.

Teachers should not lie to children.

Especially about life/death issues.

SHAME ON YOU DANNY
Posted by SHAME ON YOU DANNY on December 14, 2011 at 9:59 AM · Report this
nocutename 14
Dan, can you activate the thing that won't let unregistered comments post? I am getting sick.
Thanks.
Posted by nocutename on December 14, 2011 at 9:59 AM · Report this
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Danny wants to tell kids that ButtSex is "OK".

That it is 100% SAFE and FOOLPROOF.....

This is the same ButtSex that gives 20% of practicing homosexual men HIV....

But, to Danny, that is OK.....
Posted by I'm OK, You're going to Die of AIDS on December 14, 2011 at 10:01 AM · Report this
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14

Sick?

So sorry.......

You should wash your hands after buttsex.
Posted by eColi on December 14, 2011 at 10:03 AM · Report this
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Dan,

As a lesbian educator who grew up scared shitless in MT, I've always appreciated your writing. In recent years, you've been a champion for LGBT youth, which is fantastic (emphasis here on "recent years," however; you used to get pretty down on the "silliness" and "embarrassment" of such things as Pride, events I've always viewed as at least helpful for visibility purposes for similarly scared shitless LGBT youth).

However, I take umbrage to your claim that this is "the worst" school district in America. YES, adults taking blind eyes to LGBT bullying is horrific. YES, something needs to be done. That being said, I feel like school districts that offer absolutely no hope for any of the students attending (read: any schools in poor neighborhoods) are, if we're going to rank things, "worse."

Growing up gay in a hostile environment is something you can recover from, as you yourself often say. Growing up in a shitty school with even shittier future educational and career prospects is far more devastating.
Posted by Popping Dan's wealthy, white bubble on December 14, 2011 at 10:05 AM · Report this
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You need to pull up your big girl panties and face the facts, sister.

Being born to a 14 year old crack addict whore and never knowing your father and attending ghetto schools and never learning to read and finally being knifed to death in the seventh grade is NOTHING compared to having your poetry take a dark turn......
Posted by NOTHING! it is absolutely NOTHING!!!!! on December 14, 2011 at 10:16 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 19
@ 14, look at the top of the comments.

Ah, look, I can't see what the furious little troll has to say. Type louder, maybe you'll get through to me then.
Posted by Matt from Denver on December 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM · Report this
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Danny doesn't care what you THINK,
Danny will allow you to BELIEVE whatever you want (He is a gracious Deity indeed....)
as long as you give those faggots a big hug and a sloppy kiss and tell them that THEY ARE OK!
Posted by believe . on December 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM · Report this
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doubtful.

butt, as a certified AWESOME PERSON, you have no room for improvement at all, do you....
Posted by We Salute You, AWESOME PERSON!! hahahahahaha on December 14, 2011 at 10:24 AM · Report this
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As someone who graduated from the Anoka-Hennepin district, I can attest to the fact that bullying of all kinds was mostly ignored 15+ years ago. The district has since adopted a "zero tolerance" policy regarding any bullying based on race, gender, religion, or disability. I don't see how including sexual orientation in that list is such a controversial step for the administration.
Posted by AnokaCountySucks on December 14, 2011 at 10:29 AM · Report this
kim in portland 23
Hey Dan,

I'll work on this. I'll do it because it is the ethical and moral right thing. And because standing quietly is condoning, right? And you and everyone else here, but the troll who masturbates to its perceived morality and correctness, will join me, right? No-one gets a free pass, because some loud self-proclaimed "Christians" are behind this. This is not a Christian issue, it is a humanity issue.

The word "Christian" is meaningless or has too many definitions that it is diluted beyond recognition now. The porn addiction of fanaticism to a belief does not allow for differences. You must tow the line to be considered a member. I am not a Christian, to once commenter Loveschild I am "a closet athiest", to present commenter Seattleblues an "apostate", to one of the unregistered I am "Saint Kim of Promiscuous Butt Sex" (love it!) and "maker of the golden calf", to the Illinois Family Institute I am a "heretic", to you a "NALT", and I have so many other names which often amuse me. What I call myself does not matter, only my actions do.

So how does one bring about change? They speak, up and the more voices the better. So, I'll log out and get to work after thanking everyone who reads your post and finds it appalling for speaking up, for finding the time in a busy day to attempt to make the world a kinder and more compassionate place. Keep up the good work. It is an honour to work alongside you all.

Take care.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on December 14, 2011 at 10:33 AM · Report this
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Gomez, with new technology news spreads faster and faster these days. As a side effect, children are getting more and more involved in serious topics that are beyond what they should be concerning themselves with. One of those topics is the suicide of other children. If you saw all the other kids who were being treated like you are kill themselves, you might think that's an appropriate response. Not to mention that the topic of gay marriage has increased awareness of homosexuality. When my mom was a child, she didn't know the word or concept of being gay existed. It took her until she was 20 years old to understand. I, however, always knew what gay was and therefore could more easily label myself. Kids are coming out younger and younger because kids are starting to understand and concern themselves with things that are beyond their years. This kind of treatment of children perceived as different is NOT okay, and simply saying that this has happened forever so it should be ignored is never going to change anything. Kids will get more and more involved and malicious towards eachother. It's important to teach children that discrimination is wrong. I grew up in Massachusetts, where we were taught about discrimination at a very young age, and we were taught that all humans are equals.
Posted by Tswyter on December 14, 2011 at 10:37 AM · Report this
this guy I know in Spokane 25
@5 -- oh, so he deserved it then. I'll make a note of that.

@6 -- similar experiences can affect different people in different ways. It's also possible that the experience these kids undergo is not that similar to yours. Just sayin.
Posted by this guy I know in Spokane on December 14, 2011 at 10:37 AM · Report this
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E-mail sent. It will be interesting to see if I get a response. I did not use any swear words, and I kept it polite. I also asked how any of them could sleep at night. I hope this helps.
Posted by SeattleKim on December 14, 2011 at 10:38 AM · Report this
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I went to school in this district, and this whole thing has made me sick. I wrote to the school board months ago and was told that they do take this seriously and were addressing it. If this is addressing it, they don't take it nearly as seriously as I hoped.

I think they need to lose their lawsuit and be forced into real change. I just made a donation to the Southern Poverty Law Center in the hopes that will happen.

-NALT
Posted by grapemn on December 14, 2011 at 10:39 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 28
@ anonymous troll, nope, still can't hear you or see your words. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...
Posted by Matt from Denver on December 14, 2011 at 10:40 AM · Report this
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I actually love that unregistered guy. The moment Dan--Danny?--posts something, he is in the comments section pushing his drivel. He must feel like trolling Dan is his sole reason for being on earth. Perhaps he was chosen by god to do so?

You just know this guy also trolls Dunkin' Donuts late at night ("I want a FRESH bearclaw you dirty, illegal foreigner") and the staff wonders what on earth he does during the day.
Posted by Bonzer Terriffic on December 14, 2011 at 10:41 AM · Report this
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What is up with the obsessive guy on here?

Dude, did "Danny" (as you call him) turn you down when you begged to give him a blowjob or something?

Don't you have work to do, or is jacking off in your parent's basement a full time job?
Posted by Common.Sense.FTW. on December 14, 2011 at 10:42 AM · Report this
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Many additional details are in the federal lawsuit complaint filed on behalf of bullied and assaulted students against the district to end the gag policy and address the anti-LGBT harassment within its schools.

One example:

"The harassment was not limited to verbal insults
and threats— on various occasions, the student physically attacked K.R. by slapping him in the face, shoving him against a brick wall, or by shoving him into lockers. In seventh grade, K.R. was shoved down the stairs by an eighth grader. The eighth grader threatened K.R.’s life saying, 'if you tell anyone about this, I’ll fucking kill you.'"

The complaint in full: http://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/f…
Posted by KMS on December 14, 2011 at 11:05 AM · Report this
balderdash 32
Wow. Alleged is just shitting himself today. He must really fucking hate kids. Or does he...?

That's it. My new guess for the identity of our anonymous troll is Jerry Sandusky.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on December 14, 2011 at 11:09 AM · Report this
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These kids need to start calling the cops and reporting assaults instead of going to the school administrators. I have to think that it might start getting more attention when the police show up and start arresting some of those doing the assaulting.
Posted by SeattleKim on December 14, 2011 at 11:10 AM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 34
I like the troll. It validates Dan's posts.
Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 14, 2011 at 11:16 AM · Report this
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How is ignoring a fight being neutral? I'd tell them the same thing I tell my 3yr old and 5yr old when I can't sort out who did what, "There's no fighting!"

Being neutral would be stopping all bullying regardless of its motivation.
Posted by NeutralDad on December 14, 2011 at 11:21 AM · Report this
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Just sent the school district the following (admittedly rambley) letter. Feel free to adapt and send your version to them as well:

Members of the board:
I do not reside in the Anoka-Hennepin School District, but, as you are probably aware, your district has become known across the nation following the tragic spate of suicides among its youth and the "controversy" surrounding its policy of "neutrality" regarding discussion of gay issues.

You must recognize that gay kids, children of gay parents, even kids who simply don't conform to all the gender norms expected of them, often face tremendous challenges in middle and high school. They are regularly bullied, threatened, or socially ostracized to the point that their schoolwork suffers, they develop anxiety and depression, and sometimes are even driven to take their own lives. But many school districts have taken active steps to counteract these trends; by establishing zero-tolerance for bullying policies, they send a message that harrassment is not acceptable and that all students are welcome.

I understand that your "neutrality" policy was originally implemented because of the concern on the part of some parents and educators about how gay issues would be addressed in the classroom. I've also learned recently that your district is considering implementing a "controversial topics curriculum policy" that would allow such issues to be addressed. Personally, I think this is a laudable step: while bringing current political issues into classroom discussion can be challenging, it helps students refine their views and make more educated decisions as citizens.

But my main concern with your "neutrality" policy is not ultimately about curriculum, it is about the safety of students in your district. According to all the reports I have read, the current policy seriously impedes the ability of teachers and administrators to address bullying issues when any aspect of actual or perceived sexual orientation is involved. Teachers are effectively encouraged or constrained to turn a blind eye when one student calls another horrible homophobic slurs, becuase to take any steps to protect or defend that child could be seen as "taking a stance" on an issue. This strikes me as arbitrary and cruel. No other form of bullying (I hope!) would be dismissed this way. It is a sad state our country is in, when concern to appear politically scrupulous takes precedence over the safety and happiness of our children. I urge you in the strongest possible terms to re-evaluate the impact of this supposedly "neutral" policy, and regardless of the curricular changes implemented, to adopt policies that protect and encourage the growth of all students. Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely,
A Concerned Citizen
More...
Posted by awkwardturtles on December 14, 2011 at 11:26 AM · Report this
COMTE 37
How the FUCK is not intervening in an obvious act of battery "being neutral"?!?

As the saying goes: choosing not to take a side IS taking a side. All this so-called "neutrality" accomplishes is to allow the bullies free-reign, and I'm pretty sure TPTB know this.
Posted by COMTE on December 14, 2011 at 11:28 AM · Report this
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Just sent the school district the following (admittedly rambley) letter. Feel free to adapt and send your version to them as well:

Members of the board:
I do not reside in the Anoka-Hennepin School District, but, as you are probably aware, your district has become known across the nation following the tragic spate of suicides among its youth and the "controversy" surrounding its policy of "neutrality" regarding discussion of gay issues.

You must recognize that gay kids, children of gay parents, even kids who simply don't conform to all the gender norms expected of them, often face tremendous challenges in middle and high school. They are regularly bullied, threatened, or socially ostracized to the point that their schoolwork suffers, they develop anxiety and depression, and sometimes are even driven to take their own lives. But many school districts have taken active steps to counteract these trends; by establishing zero-tolerance for bullying policies, they send a message that harrassment is not acceptable and that all students are welcome.

I understand that your "neutrality" policy was originally implemented because of the concern on the part of some parents and educators about how gay issues would be addressed in the classroom. I've also learned recently that your district is considering implementing a "controversial topics curriculum policy" that would allow such issues to be addressed. Personally, I think this is a laudable step: while bringing current political issues into classroom discussion can be challenging, it helps students refine their views and make more educated decisions as citizens.

But my main concern with your "neutrality" policy is not ultimately about curriculum, it is about the safety of students in your district. According to all the reports I have read, the current policy seriously impedes the ability of teachers and administrators to address bullying issues when any aspect of actual or perceived sexual orientation is involved. Teachers are effectively encouraged or constrained to turn a blind eye when one student calls another horrible homophobic slurs, becuase to take any steps to protect or defend that child could be seen as "taking a stance" on an issue. This strikes me as arbitrary and cruel. No other form of bullying (I hope!) would be dismissed this way. It is a sad state our country is in, when concern to appear politically scrupulous takes precedence over the safety and happiness of our children. I urge you in the strongest possible terms to re-evaluate the impact of this supposedly "neutral" policy, and regardless of the curricular changes implemented, to adopt policies that protect and encourage the growth of all students. Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely,
A Concerned Citizen
More...
Posted by awkwardturtles on December 14, 2011 at 11:28 AM · Report this
balderdash 39
@37, I imagine that constitutes "being neutral" when intervening would result in your being fired for violating a "neutrality" policy (to advance the sinister homosexual agenda).

Or, in some cases, "being neutral" is more likely a convenient source of plausible deniability for particularly execrable teachers who might either be too lazy to intervene, or who think those kids need, as it were, the queer beaten out of them.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on December 14, 2011 at 12:01 PM · Report this
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How could anyone not grieve when gay kids kill themselves? The more gay kids who kill themselves, the fewer gay adults there will be who will demand and work for change.
Posted by joybd on December 14, 2011 at 12:04 PM · Report this
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Dear Kim,

You are NOT a NALT. By definition—and I defined it—a NALT is a Christian who stands silently by when religious bigots attack LGBT people but whispers "we're not all like that" in the ears of people who call and condemn out the bigots. You are NOT silent, you do whisper. You are not like that—not like Tony Perkins, not like the bigots—but you are NOT a NALT.

You are a rockstar.

xo
Dan
Posted by Dan Savage on December 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM · Report this
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Fact Check, please......

1-- Is condemning dangerous irresponsible selfish behavior that destroys individuals, families and societies "attacking" LGBT?
Is LGBT synonymous with dangerous irresponsible selfish behavior that destroys individuals, families and societies?

2-- Are people who believe homosexual behavior is immoral "bigots"
Posted by Your Pal on December 14, 2011 at 12:19 PM · Report this
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Danny wishes to equate 'fighting bullying' with 'embracing the homosexual agenda'.

It is not enough to oppose bullying, of all kinds.

One must assure homosexuals that what they do is "OK".

Danny hates the concept of "love the sinner but reject the sinful behavior"

Danny equates the behavior with the person, and insists that rejection of the behavior is HATE and BIGOTRY.

Danny, people are much more than the behaviors they engage in....

Posted by Behaviors are Chosen on December 14, 2011 at 12:24 PM · Report this
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@5 I was perceived as being gay because I was skinny, unathletic, shy, and didn't date girls. Or anyone, for that matter, but in a place (high school) where any excuse is a good excuse to pick on someone until they die, any excuse will do just fine.

High school (and for Americans, junior high or middle school) is a terrible place all by itself. Any time you give the bullies a pass for anything, it makes it 100x worse.
Posted by gromm on December 14, 2011 at 12:25 PM · Report this
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SeattleKim: Yes, absolutely, get the local police involved. Only when kids and their parents bypass the school system and go to the police will pressure be put on schools to make sweeping changes.

And, gee, I guess Dan is really hitting a nerve with his hard-hitting truth-telling. Look at all the pathetic trolls (or one very active one) on this board.
Posted by joybd on December 14, 2011 at 12:33 PM · Report this
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Recording of comments from Chaplain Gerard J. Dols regarding Hennepin School District's stance on bullying: http://anoka-k12.granicus.com/MediaPlaye…
Posted by roymckenzie on December 14, 2011 at 12:57 PM · Report this
in-frequent 47
I don't get this neutrality excuse at all. Let's say it is wrong to be homosexual, like it's wring to be a thief. Would it the district policy to let kids get harassed because a parent was a thief? Or if homosexuality is neutral, like working at a bakery, would they let a kid get beat up and verbally abused because a parent was a baker? This makes zero sense to me even under the district's policy logic.
Posted by in-frequent on December 14, 2011 at 1:01 PM · Report this
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@47, that is exactly what I was thinking.

Or, to put it in other terms: bullying, name-calling, physical attacts and other forms of assault are wrong, no matter what the reason is that leads to the assault. Why shouldn't it be possible for a teacher to intervene and take the side of the bullied child and tell the bullies that they are wrong without violating the neutrality policy? Frankly, you don't even have to use the word 'gay' to do all of that.
Posted by ankylosaur on December 14, 2011 at 1:09 PM · Report this
Donolectic 49
@6 - It more than "suck" Gomez. I was bullied too in school, I didn't kill myself, but I still harbor dark feelings over those times. Just because something sucked for us and we got through it doesn't mean we shouldn't aggressively try and stamp out that same sort of shit for other kids. Do you really think that these kids should just suffer through it? I'm surprised you didn't just come out and say "grow a pair."

When I have kids, if they're bullied, the administration has exactly one chance to set things right or I'm calling the cops and a laywer. I'll tell them that too.

@43 - But Alleged, there are gay kids who are virgins, who know they're gay but have never had sex or engaged in any activity with someone of the same sex. It's not just 'behavior' - blows your mind, don't it?
Posted by Donolectic on December 14, 2011 at 1:15 PM · Report this
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I went to high school where a child had been bullied to the point of hospitalization. He was shoved, punched, kicked, pissed on, name called, and beaten so severely he had internal bruising. The school district did nothing to prevent this. Teachers (save one or two) did nothing to prevent this. It got so bad, the home ec. teacher let him use the private restroom in her classroom because he would be the victim of physical violence in the Mensroom.

He eventually had to drop out of this school and move to a neighboring state just to finish high school.

To this day he still suffers physically from this abuse.

This "nuetrality" tortures and in some cases leads to the death of children.

Fuck you, Anoka-Hennepin School District. Fuck you.
Posted by The fag on December 14, 2011 at 1:22 PM · Report this
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I believe the Southern Poverty Law Center believes this new proposal is progress, and may have actually helped the district come to this place through their mediation sessions.
Posted by Ahaju on December 14, 2011 at 1:37 PM · Report this
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I don't know, this one is pretty bad too: (not sure if you covered it back in October)
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/tennessee-s…
Posted by Cab91 on December 14, 2011 at 1:52 PM · Report this
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I went to a middle school in the Anoka-Hennepin district, and let me tell you -- I did get teased there but not necessarily for being gay. A lot of kids got teased and no one killed themselves while I was there. I guess things have really gone south the last 20 years. :(
Posted by AJB1981 on December 14, 2011 at 2:03 PM · Report this
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@49 I think Gomez pretty much did say "grow a pair." Gomez: If you think it is ok for a school district to have a policy encouraging school teachers and administrators to look the other way when perceived members of a minority are abused, threatened, and assaulted then you might as well be doing it yourself and, truthfully, school in Vegas fucked you up psychologically way more than you understand.
Posted by cracked on December 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM · Report this
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51

SPLC are lying moneygrubbing whores
Posted by don't be a credulous sucker pussy on December 14, 2011 at 2:22 PM · Report this
undead ayn rand 56
@6: "I was called various gay and racial slurs at school from 1st grade on growing up in Las Vegas, and so were countless other kids. None of us were driven to suicide by any of it."

Oh good, an opinion from a straight white guy who watches too much South Park, we were dying to find someone to delegitimize the pain of others.
Posted by undead ayn rand on December 14, 2011 at 2:22 PM · Report this
undead ayn rand 57
"None of us were driven to suicide by any of it."

And by this, he implies "nobody I know or cared about, and the rest kept in the closet, as necessary".
Posted by undead ayn rand on December 14, 2011 at 2:26 PM · Report this
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49

No kids should be bullied.

NONE.

Danny's had wringing has nothing to do with bullying.

It is all about demonizing "christians" and forcing society to embrace the homosexual agenda.

Is Danny's message "Bullying is Wrong"?

No.

Danny's message is
"All Teachers have to tell kids Homosexuality is OK"

see how that works?
Posted by Hey Kids- Being FAT is OK Darling..... on December 14, 2011 at 2:41 PM · Report this
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.....Danny's hand wringing.....
Posted by as you were on December 14, 2011 at 2:44 PM · Report this
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23

aw Kim-

we're so sorry-

"masturbates...me, right?" ..."porn addiction" ..... "Butt Sex (love it!) "

still not getting any?

Maybe your husband is gay?

Wow.

But then that would drive you insane with jealousy, Right?
Posted by autumn breeze on December 14, 2011 at 2:56 PM · Report this
undead ayn rand 61
@58/59: I love watching you yowl and hiss, hateful people spitting impotent bile over the internet is just another sign that things are moving in the right direction.
Posted by undead ayn rand on December 14, 2011 at 2:58 PM · Report this
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you are very welcome.
Posted by you looked better dead on December 14, 2011 at 3:01 PM · Report this
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61

butt, you raise a good point.

the credulous Danny-DittoHeads yowl and hiss, hateful people spitting impotent bile about what the troll posts but no one addressing the facts it posts.

No one.

Like Nebuchadnezzar's henchmen slain at the mouth of the furnace, they cringe and slink away from the Burning Truth.
Posted by The Burning Truth consumes homoliberal maggots on December 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 64
Meanwhile they shut down twitter on campus because all the high schools marched to the UW in Seattle.

But hey, just ignore that.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 14, 2011 at 3:11 PM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 65
@troll. Most Sloggers don't believe in sin, I certainly don't. I do believe your comments are retarded though. I'd feel sorry for you if I didn't give a shit. Die soon....pleeeeezzzzeeeeee.
Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 14, 2011 at 3:25 PM · Report this
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28

everyone knows you peeked you pathetic whore
Posted by pull my finger. then listen carefully. on December 14, 2011 at 3:30 PM · Report this
venomlash 67
Unregistereds #17, 22, 24, 30, 35, and 51-53 are worth reading. All others are to be blasted with piss.
Posted by venomlash on December 14, 2011 at 3:35 PM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 68
Or blasted with a frag grenade! Semtex is good too......
Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 14, 2011 at 3:39 PM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 69
66. you just getting back to 28? What happened did your mom come home and make you watch the 700 Club? Bet is makes you mad when she won't let you play on your 'puter.
Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 14, 2011 at 3:42 PM · Report this
venomlash 70
@68: For the best overkill you call in an AC-130. M102 howitzer? You betcha.
Posted by venomlash on December 14, 2011 at 4:07 PM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 71
@70 - Agreed. I'll contact Overlord and call in the airstrike.
Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 14, 2011 at 4:23 PM · Report this
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Done. Struggled to remain civil.
Posted by Everybody on December 14, 2011 at 4:43 PM · Report this
Xenos 73
@71 Relay from Goliath-1, Progress is en route to your location but has encountered HEAVY IGNORANCE, how copy?

Couldn't resist.
Posted by Xenos on December 14, 2011 at 4:51 PM · Report this
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I went to school in this district and I can tell you with absolute truth that I spent more times thinking of ways to get out of going to school than focusing on my classes. I hated those kids and the faculty members that didn't help and pretended not to see the horrible things that happened. The few that did help tried their hardest and got watched by the higher authorities at the school instead of praised. I got shoved into lockers, had food thrown at me, and was called every name in the book, not to mention ostracized nearly every day. The kids were horrible, but I share the blame with their parents. What kind of unimaginable people raised such violent, horrible children? The suicide rate has been climbing and I wonder how many dead kids it'll take for people to understand that this is very real and very scary. I hated my four years of high school, a time I should've cherished. Thanks a lot, Blaine Senior High.
Posted by r_ebert on December 14, 2011 at 4:53 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 75
@ 67, thanks for taking the time to list those. I'd say, though, that rather than listing them all as "being worth reading" (which only a couple are), they're simply all not from the basement troll.

I say that SLOG should make registration mandatory. If that means that the occasional insightful comment from some unregistered reader goes unshared here, it's a small price to pay. Not enough people take advantage of hiding those comments.
Posted by Matt from Denver on December 14, 2011 at 5:33 PM · Report this
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im 14 and gay i was raised in a christian household with catholic grandparents trust me when i say this not all gay people want sex for some they completely refuse to take part kiss hug hold hands yes sex not really marriage is between a man and a woman i get that thats why its called marriage. but at least can't a guy and guy have something that isn't marriage but yet has the same rights as it come on......... now kids are committing suicide no kid should have to feel so down and depressed in a school setting to want to commit suicide that means our teachers are not doing enough to stop bullying. i live in dakota county minnesota and i have heard what goes on 3 to 4 counties away its on the news i have been saddened to see that children lose their life at the hands of another child to quote a friend "bully's don't pull the trigger but they provide the ammo and the fueled emotions to do so in that way they are more like a killer than an innocent child" i think there should be a harsher punnishment for lgbt bullying because it has been proven that over 3/4 of gay student in schools have thought about suicide because of bullying and 1/8 of those kids commit suicide because of it we need to put some sort of help in place so that a human life isn't taken they still are human they still are worth something and they still have people that care about them
Posted by BWC on December 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM · Report this
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@Gomez: You didn't kill yourself, that's great, but EIGHT kids here did. Your opinion on whether or not they had sufficient cause is irrelevant. There is only one issue: kids ARE DYING, should something be done to prevent it?
Posted by chi_type on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM · Report this
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from local MN paper last night:

http://www.startribune.com/local/north/1…

The school board itself is being bullied by the so-called "Parents Action League" which probably is a wing of the MN Family Council...if the school board doesn't stand up to THEIR bullies, HOW are they going to be a good example to students to stand up to theirs??

As for me...i went to Coon Rapids HS in the late 80s, and i got bullied too. Not for being gay tho, but for being fat (in this district ANYONE who is different gets bullied). i probably WOULD have killed myself too if i had come out as a teen...luckily (i guess), i didnt come out til college. It's truly sad to see things get so bad there. A friend i graduated with taught there a few yrs ago and she said the culture there is not what should be normal for a school at all. i always joked that i should never overestimate the value of a Dist 11 education; now i am to the point that i am EMBARRASSED to have gone there. Through luck i survived...how many more won't be so lucky?? :(

wendy k. rasmussen
Coon Rapids HS, class of 1989
Posted by purpl on December 14, 2011 at 7:14 PM · Report this
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http://www.startribune.com/local/north/1…

The district is being bullied itself by the so-called Parents Action League (tho is probably just the MN Family Council in disguise). If they wont stand up to THEIR bully, how can they expect to be a good role model for the kids??

i went to school there in the late 80s, and i was bullied too. But not for being gay (i would come out in college), but for being fat. ANYONE who is different gets bullied there. If i HAD come out in HS or had been perceived as lesbian then, i probably WOULD have killed myself too. A friend and classmate of mine taught there a few yrs ago; she said the environment there is NOT NORMAL for a school environment. She quit after one year. i always joked that i should never overestimate the value of a Dist 11 education, but now i'm to the point where i am ASHAMED of having it. i was lucky; how many more won't be??

wendy k. rasmussen
Coon Rapids HS, class of 1989
Posted by purpl on December 14, 2011 at 7:25 PM · Report this
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Aw, crap. Didnt realize i posted twice. Sorry!
Posted by purpl on December 14, 2011 at 7:26 PM · Report this
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Kids are killing themselves. Kicking the "neutrality" policy could have saved at least four of them. And the best argument that the anti-gay parents can make is that changing the policy conflicts with their politics.

Stop being Bible-thumping troglodytes and try to save some lives, ok?
Posted by fubarista on December 14, 2011 at 7:27 PM · Report this
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75
seriously bitch, try Midol
Posted by whaaaaaaaaaaa.......... on December 14, 2011 at 9:07 PM · Report this
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@6 - you were the target of bullying and your response ISN'T to try to save other kids the same pain? WTF? ok yes, life is always going to be difficult and to some extent kids have to learn to deal with that. But there is normal teenage stupidity and then there is bullying. I was taunted in high school for being different too, that's always going to happen, but kids need to feel physically safe and at least mostly psychologicly safe (we can't protect them from every mean word) so they can learn.
Posted by immune5 on December 14, 2011 at 9:10 PM · Report this
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@6 I hate to pile it on, but your attitude is a huge part of the problem. "I got bullied, and I'm fine. What's the big deal?" Have you considered that these kids may not have been bullied in exactly the same way, under exactly the same circumstances as you were? Is it not possible that some of these kids may have had underlying emotional problems that made them incapable of coping? Have you considered that the abuse they were suffering might be more severe than what you experienced? It's well documented that suicide is contagious, especially among teenagers and young adults- all it takes is one kid to kill himself, and other kids who were on the fence end up doing the same. Don't you think it's possible this played a role? It's also true that high school is significantly more stressful for kids today than it was for kids even 10 years ago, and the home lives of many kids are more difficult as well. Things may have turned out differently if you had been under more pressure at school, and you were coming home to an unemployed parent struggling to keep you and your family in your home. Your experience is not everyone's experience, and you would do well to remember that, as the ability to recognize that other people are coming from a different place than you is what distinguishes regular people from total dicks.

And yes, there will always be bullying. It's something kids have always done and will always do. But I think we can all agree that when the bullying is resulting in kids killing themselves, it's probably time to do something about it.
Posted by Lmlk813 on December 14, 2011 at 10:01 PM · Report this
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I graduated from that district and remember the GBLT gatherings...don't remember it being a big deal. Maybe it was just the kids I hung out with didn't care either way.
Posted by not a news story on December 15, 2011 at 4:36 AM · Report this
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Can the kids form a support group within the school (perhaps a gay-straight alliance)? And I agree that the lawsuit is a great idea. Even if not successful, it will put the bigots on notice that their misconduct will be challenged.

This story needs as much publicity as it can get. And reporters should ask Bachmann about her stance on this issue every single day. I want to know how she feels about children killing themselves because they're being bullied and assaulted.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on December 15, 2011 at 4:40 AM · Report this
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Danny, did you know that Mitt Romney wouldn't just be our first Mormon president, if he manages to get himself elected, but the first bullied gay teen to sit in the Oval Office too?
Posted by It's True! We read it on the Internet! on December 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM · Report this
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Why can't we all agree that harassing people until they wish they were dead is immoral?
Posted by DRF on December 15, 2011 at 8:53 AM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 89
@73 - Copy and understood Overlord. Also encountering HEAVY IGNORANCE on our twelve. Oscar mike to that location to engage. :)
Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 15, 2011 at 8:59 AM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 90
@88 you'd think so but sociopaths don't see it that way. No morals unfortunately.
Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 15, 2011 at 9:01 AM · Report this
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Rail against the neutrality policy if you want, but changing it will do nothing to help the kids. The problem is the attitude of the staff. The district has an anti-bullying policy staff could use to protect gay kids as well as any other kid getting harassed. The staff chooses not to enforce it. This district is not alone in this problem. I taught at a HS in Illinois that required teachers to stand outside their doors during passing periods to prevent bullying. Some of us were diligent and kids were safe by our doors, but others did nothing to intervene if they bothered to come out into the hall at all. They had a "kids will be kids" attitude and thought they should work it out themselves. Many of these useless teachers were also sports coaches after school and were likely bullies themselves when they were kids. I understand that Dan likes to focus on the gay kids, but the problem is bigger than that and needs a bigger solution.
Posted by DisgustedFormerTeacher on December 15, 2011 at 10:12 AM · Report this
undead ayn rand 92
@63, etc: Nobody's "addressing" your complaints because you're an insincere, racist, hateful pile of shit that makes SeattleBlues look like a stellar, valuable contributor in comparison.

Why should people expend more effort than necessary on something so insignificant as yourself?
Posted by undead ayn rand on December 15, 2011 at 11:02 AM · Report this
Erin Daisy 93
Hey Dan! I am doing my student teaching at Alliance School here in Milwaukee this coming semester, which as you probably know is one of only three explicitly LGBTQ-supportive schools in the country. Let's get a charter opened up there for these kids!
Posted by Erin Daisy http://www.themomentofchange.blogspot.com on December 15, 2011 at 11:05 AM · Report this
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Sooooo,

Let's say you wanted to call in the police using an assault charge, how would that proceed? If you got the police to interview the staff, could they claim their policy prevents them from testifying? Maybe it is time to rub their (school admin and staff) faces in the fact that assault, at any age, is a crime. Accepting bullying as a traditional rite of passage thing is an excellent indicator of just how little respect a community places upon education. Just consider how long a business would remain in existence if bullying were openly ignored (or is that where we are going with the Teabaggers?), and what that lack says of what kind of behavior is expected of children.

So let's put it up front: our children are vindictive, willfully ignorant, and violent because that is the way they are supposed to be. What wonderful, caring adults live in that district; no wonder the world view of these people stops at the insides of their rectum.
Posted by Married in MA on December 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM · Report this
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92

we give up.

why do you?
Posted by Kibbles&Bits on December 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 96
@75. Sorry Matt got to disagree with you on that point. Freedom of speech works both ways. We can't demand that our voices be heard then deny the other side their chance as much as it makes us angry or frustrated. I enjoy the Stranger comments because they are not heavily censored like say Huff Post. The troll is entitled to it's opinion no matter how wrong it is.
Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 15, 2011 at 12:21 PM · Report this
undead ayn rand 97
@96: "Freedom of speech works both ways."

Bullshit. Signal to noise counts. We're not suggesting he be banned because he's a conservative, we're suggesting he be ejected because he's not inspiring any discussion, just trolling and saying nasty lies over and over to get people to bite. Communities that value "freedom of speech" over actual intelligent, constructive dialogue turn to shit pretty quickly, if you've ever had any experience with trying to develop any site with a webforum or comments page.
Posted by undead ayn rand on December 15, 2011 at 12:58 PM · Report this
undead ayn rand 98
"I enjoy the Stranger comments because they are not heavily censored like say Huff Post."

HuffPo is a different beast. I don't think users here are honestly talking about removing all critical comments about TheStranger, we're targeting one whackadoodle bigot who has zero interest in discussing anything.
Posted by undead ayn rand on December 15, 2011 at 1:29 PM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 99
You too are entitled to your opinion. Thanks for playing.
Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 15, 2011 at 2:36 PM · Report this
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@96, no one is saying ban the clowns--just force them to register. If they make comments that cross whatever line The Stranger has for behavior in the comments, yank the comment. This is not a 'freedom of speech' issue; this is The Stranger's yard, not the public square.
Posted by clashfan on December 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM · Report this
undead ayn rand 101
@99: "You too are entitled to your opinion. Thanks for playing."

What an ignorant, non-constructive reply.

@100: Right, if I had a nickel for every person who confused keeping a website clean of assholes with 1st amendment violations, hoo boy.
Posted by undead ayn rand on December 15, 2011 at 3:14 PM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 102
@101 Why so angry? You kinda attacked me so I was flippant. I don't want to fight you. That's not what I'm here for. But if you insist, here we go: your attitude is completely non-constructive so go fuck yourself you arrogant piece of shit. It's people like you that bring the conversation down with your pseudo-intellectual "I'm smarter than you and my comments are the best so I’m going to belittle you with a bunch of hateful vitriol” flaming. How does this make you better than the troll? I’d say I’m looking forward to your reply but I’m betting it will be more hate spew.

To be honest, I prefer Clash Fans answer, it makes sense and it wasn’t attacking. I support that people should register to comment. I did just recently because I wanted in. I’m new to this comment stuff but been reading Slog for some time, I’m a big fan of Dan’s but, it would appear, no fan of Angry Ayn Rand.

Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 15, 2011 at 3:36 PM · Report this
SoapMacTavish 103
Hey Clash Fan, I agree with you there. I'd support that. Thanks for the comment, much respect.
Posted by SoapMacTavish on December 15, 2011 at 3:38 PM · Report this
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97

What Nasty Lies are those?
Posted by please do tell, My Precious.... on December 15, 2011 at 7:03 PM · Report this
MirrorMan 105
@104
Everything you type.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
And with that, I will turn the unregistered comments off so I don't have to put with your pathetic attempts at relevance.
Enjoy your slide into extinction. I know we will!
Posted by MirrorMan on December 15, 2011 at 10:40 PM · Report this
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Dude, MacTavish, thanks for the props, I guess, but you kind of went overboard on UAR. He didn't actually call you any names. Yes, he started off with 'Bullshit', but he didn't swear *at* you, if you catch the difference. And he stated clearly that many here are tired of this one particular troll, as opposed to banning due to conservative content.

I can handle arrogance, real or perceived, a lot better than I appreciate the profane attack you launched on UAR.
Posted by clashfan on December 16, 2011 at 7:21 AM · Report this
undead ayn rand 107
@102: "How does this make you better than the troll?"

I'm oft-grumpy, but I do care. There's the difference. I support the right of people to be assholes, even dense assholes. But some people just come to the party to trash the place, and need to be ejected because they have nothing to offer, and no sincere interest in or capacity for discussion.

For example: This isn't the public square, there's no need to encourage the Westboro Baptist Church (and similar gay-haters) to frequent our site. We get absolutely nothing from their "opinions".
Posted by undead ayn rand on December 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM · Report this
geoz 108
I wrote to the chair of the board. They replied to say my message has been received and sent to the chair. I hope you all write too, encouraging them to make the right choice.
Posted by geoz on December 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM · Report this
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104-107

No Lies.
Just Inconvenient Truths.
That rip Liberals a new one....
Ban the Troll. It's the only answer you have.
Posted by your whiny bitching is our Victory Trump on December 16, 2011 at 2:24 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 110
@105
I don't understand why more people don't turn off the unregistered comments. I have them off, and I'm not missing anything. I know what the troll is saying w/o bothering to read it: he's a broken record w/ nothing new or valuable. So why bother? And if I miss an interesting comment from some other unregistered, so what. The registered folks here are more interesting to read anyway. It's not a perfect system, but it works.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on December 17, 2011 at 10:44 AM · Report this
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@110: I don't bother because I know not everybody logs in from every computer, there are plenty of people who don't want to create accounts due to anonymity, and really, it's only that creepy schizoid bag of hate that seems to abuse the system and should be purged.
Posted by UAR not logged in on December 17, 2011 at 2:08 PM · Report this
Lissa 112
@101: The Troll is unregistered because, if it's who I think it is, as a registered commenter he was banned. He has nothing to contribute, and it gives me great joy that he spits and hisses in the howling wilderness to which he so rightly was banished. UAR is a long time poster here with a lot to say that is of value. If you find her some what blunt style too much for your delicate sensibilities, I am sorry. You are, as you point out new to the Slog, and you might have noticed that we sometimes fight among ourselves like cats in a sack, but in this instance I believe you have over reacted and owe UAR the benefit of the doubt. She's not wrong about signal to noise.
Oh and turn off unregistered comments. You'll waste less of your time and it drives the troll wild that we can't hear him unless we chose to.
Posted by Lissa on December 17, 2011 at 4:55 PM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 113
Lissa, Dan and I were trying to figure out how many times The Troll had been banned about a week ago. We decided on 14, but it may be more.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on December 17, 2011 at 5:01 PM · Report this
Lissa 114
14 you say? My goodness!
One of my fondest memories is of the day that all Period Troll's posts disappeared after his polygamy spamming. Oh how he shrieked and shook his little unregistered fists! It was after that I pretty much gave up on the unregistered comments. True, I do miss the odd reasonable person's post, but such is life. I must confess I do enjoy sticking a pin in him now and again though, and watching Venomlash and Catalina torture him warms my heart.
Posted by Lissa on December 17, 2011 at 5:19 PM · Report this
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Banned comments.

Banned books.

Tyrants, Cowards, the Ignorant and Fearful; all resort to banning, rather than confronting ideas that challenge them.

Danny certainly dislikes having his hypocrisy exposed.

Danny certainly dislikes having his assertions exposed as false and harmful.

Poor Danny, frantically banning The Troll 14 times.

And remembering each and every one.

Being confronted with The Truth is the stuff of Danny's nightmares.
Posted by GrandPa, you're confused- it was 14 beers you had chugged on December 17, 2011 at 11:00 PM · Report this
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Comment for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too.

~Voltaire
Posted by Voltaíre on December 17, 2011 at 11:02 PM · Report this
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The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.

~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859
Posted by John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859 on December 17, 2011 at 11:03 PM · Report this
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Comments won't stay banned.
They won't burn.
Ideas won't go to jail.
In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost.
The only weapon against bad ideas is better ideas.

~Alfred Whitney Griswold, New York Times, 24 February 1959
Posted by Alfred Whitney Griswold, New York Times, 24 February 1959 on December 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM · Report this
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What progress we are making.
In the Middle Ages they would have burned me.
Now they are content with banning my comments.

~Sigmund Freud, 1933
Posted by Sigmund Freud, 1933 on December 17, 2011 at 11:06 PM · Report this
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Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings.

~Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1823
Posted by Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1823 on December 17, 2011 at 11:06 PM · Report this
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Did you ever hear anyone say, "That comment had better be banned because I might read it and it might be very damaging to me?"

~Joseph Henry Jackson

Actually, Jo, we have.
The pussies on Slog whine it every day....

~The Troll
Posted by ~Joseph Henry Jackson on December 17, 2011 at 11:08 PM · Report this
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The test of democracy is freedom of criticism.

~David Ben-Gurion
Posted by ~David Ben-Gurion on December 17, 2011 at 11:09 PM · Report this
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To choose an enlightened comment, look in an cowardly inquisitor’s prohibited list.

~John Aikin
Posted by ~John Aikin on December 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM · Report this
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We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.

~John F. Kennedy

.

And an ideology that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is an ideology that is afraid of The Truth and has no confidence in its positions.
Posted by ~John F. Kennedy on December 17, 2011 at 11:13 PM · Report this
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God forbid that any book should be banned. The practice is as indefensible as infanticide.

~Rebecca West

.

ooooh. That explains a lot...
Posted by BabyKiller/CommentBanner on December 17, 2011 at 11:14 PM · Report this
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The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged. The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship. And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted.

~Jonathon Green, "Did You Say 'Offensive?'," as posted on wordwizard.com
Posted by ~Jonathon Green, "Did You Say 'Offensive?'," on December 17, 2011 at 11:15 PM · Report this
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The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen.

~Tommy Smothers
Posted by ~Tommy Smothers Thinks You Are a Coward AssHole, Danny on December 17, 2011 at 11:16 PM · Report this
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The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion.

~Henry Steele Commager
Posted by Slog is home to Simp Minded Credulous FanBoys on December 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM · Report this
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(saved the best for last....)

Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself.
It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime.

~Potter Stewart

Posted by ~Potty Stewart on December 17, 2011 at 11:19 PM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 130
Looks like The Troll had another meltdown (and no, I didn't read any of his vomitus). "Shrieking and shaking his little unregistered fists" indeed.

Suck it, fuckwit.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on December 18, 2011 at 7:05 AM · Report this
Lissa 131
Oh. My. God. That's hilarious! It's like a comment for every time he's been banned! Plus one!
This makes not reading him evenmore fun!
Posted by Lissa on December 18, 2011 at 9:59 AM · Report this
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130-1

damn you girls have an awful lot to say about posts you don't read........
Posted by ......rather odd on December 18, 2011 at 11:01 AM · Report this
undead ayn rand 133
@130: It's like he's angrily farting onto a keyboard over and over.

I hope he gets meds one day. Shame that there's such poor funding for mental health care in the US.
Posted by undead ayn rand on December 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM · Report this
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Ummm why in bloody hell should Christians decide how to run a PUBLIC school??
I went to public school in MA not too long ago and this shit didn't fly.
Posted by Sebastian_Reyn on January 4, 2012 at 10:33 AM · Report this
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I think this is great! All they have to do is encourage students to persecute students who are gay/retarded/lebastian/ bum so they will commit suicide, driving the other students into fear and discipline so they can lean better. Great Job!
Posted by Calernaler on September 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM · Report this

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