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Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Violence Erupts at May Day Protests, Mayor Issues Emergency Order on Weapons, Day Ends With Peaceful Immigration Rally

Posted by on Tue, May 1, 2012 at 8:17 PM

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  • Goldy

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  • Kelly O

12:35 pm: A few minutes ago, the windows of the Wells Fargo at Fourth and Seneca were smashed, Brendan Kiley just called to report. Right as the protest at Westlake started, a bunch of people changed from street clothes into all black. After the windows were smashed, there were some other protesters not in black yelling, "This is not helping, this is not helping!" Now the protesters have started marching down Fifth Avenue toward the library.

12:44 pm: The windows of the courthouse at Sixth and Spring have just been smashed. Black paint has been thrown against the walls, a highway flare was set off, and there was some confusion after Pheonix Jones attempted to stop some protesters from throwing rocks at the windows. "Things seem to be a little more chaotic here," Brendan says. "The group has kind of broken up. Somebody has some kind of injury, I'm seeing protester medics. No pepper spray or tear gas yet. But I've got a feeling it won't be long."

The attack on American Apparel.
  • Brendan Kiley
  • The attack on American Apparel.

Another photo of the damage-in-progress at American Apparel.
  • Brendan Kiley
  • Another photo of the damage-in-progress at American Apparel.

12:54 pm: The windows at Home Street Bank on Sixth Avenue have been smashed. So have the windows at NikeTown at Sixth and Pike. They also broke American Apparel's windows and hit them with paint bombs and smashed the rear windows of several cars parked on the street. They've also spray painted "Proteltariatism" on the outside of Barney's New York. Fidelity Investments has spray paint that says "Foreclosed." Smashed a window at Starbucks and a glass door and a window at Verizon as well. Then the police and demonstrators with sticks had a melee involving pepper spray. Then people dispersed.

Marching to the courthouse.
  • Brendan Kiley
  • Marching to the courthouse.

The courthouse.
  • Brendan Kiley
  • The courthouse entrance.

1:00 pm: KIRO has live, ongoing video coverage here.

Broken windows at NikeTown.
  • Kelly O
  • Broken windows at NikeTown.

Paint splatters at NikeTown.
  • Brendan Kiley
  • Paint splatters at NikeTown.

1:27 pm: Goldy's at Westlake and reports: "It's your run of the mill Occupy gathering in Westlake right now. There's music playing over the PA and there's a porta potty people are lined up at. It looks like what you saw last fall." When he asked someone at Westlake which Wells Fargo window was smashed up, the person said, "A Wells Fargo window was smashed up?" There's a distinct divide between the people in Westlake and the people who did the damage. Whoever did it came and went, but the bulk of the crowd stayed in Westlake.

1:35 pm: This just in: "The only pepper spraying that went on was not by the cops but by the superheroes, according to the person at the first aid station in Westlake," says Goldy. Here's what Westlake looks like right now:

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1:43 pm: Cienna Madrid reports, "I ran into Slog commenter Baconcat, who was pepper sprayed by Phoenix Jones. Baconcat was taking pictures at the courthouse and Phoenix was screaming at the group, 'I'm not against you guys, I'm here to keep the peace and protect this historic building,' and then took them out with pepper spray. Baconcat says his eyes are dry as hell." Tear gas went off shortly thereafter; it's unknown if the tear gas belongs to the "superhero," too. "Beware: Phoenix Jones is still on the loose. But it's still peaceful here in Westlake."

1:53 pm: "Wells Fargo on First Hill is in lockdown," reports Stranger staffer Joel Schomberg, who just walked by. "They looked at me strangely because I'm wearing black today."

2:05 pm: At Sixth and Pine, ten cops are suiting up in riot gear. Everything is calm right now, but obviously they're anticipating more to come.

2:15 pm: The mayor is set to speak to the media at 2:15 p.m., but that could be delayed a bit because of the chaos of the day. Here's video of the press conference:

3 p.m.: "This is what we spoke about Friday," Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn said at his press conference just now, referencing his earlier warnings about violence at today's May Day protests.

Mayor McGinn, declaring he will use emergency powers to stop the vandalism and violence.
  • Mayor McGinn, declaring he will use emergency powers to stop the vandalism and violence.

He and Seattle Police Chief John Diaz said there have been two confirmed arrests already, with more expected as the marches and protests continue. McGinn singled out "black bloc" protesters for engaging in a lot of the violence, and said he would be issuing an emergency order to take away the weapons they've been using—particularly flag poles, tire irons, and pieces of wood. “When they move rapidly, disperse quickly, and his multiple points, it’s hard to react," McGinn explained.

So, he continued: “Using the emergency powers of the mayor’s office, I am issuing an order for the limited purpose of giving police the authority to confiscate items that can be used as weapons... We are concerned that the group gathered at Westlake may choose to march again... Having this order will allow us to approach people before the march begins, in order to confiscate items that can cause property damage or cause injury to others.” He said the order would be effective for the duration of the May Day protests only, and only in the downtown area. “The First Amendment uses of five-foot-long, three-inch-wide sticks is outweighed today by our desire to protect public safety and confiscate weapons," McGinn said, adding that he'd ordered the police to act "swiftly and aggressively" to prevent more violence.

“We will be asking for the highest charges possible for these individuals," Diaz said of those arrested. “Some of these people think it’s fun and games. It isn’t.” Asked what he would say to tourists caught off guard by today's events, and downtown workers whose routines have been disrupted, McGinn said: “We’re sorry this had to happen in this beautiful city. We’re going to do our best to keep this city safe.”

The march down Fourth Avenue begins.
  • The march down Fourth Avenue begins.

3:21 pm: Another march has started northbound up Forth Avenue in the middle of the street. "A big piece of corrugated metal or something just landed in the street," Brendan reports, standing near Seneca. He reports that a contingency of people is chanting, "We're here, we're queer, we're unicorns, and we'll fuck you up!" The mayor just declared a state of emergency and said anything that could be used as a weapon, including the poles protesters' flags are attached to, will be confiscated to maintain the piece, but there are "still lots of flags—I can see two or three dozen," Brendan reports. Cienna Madrid is up at Fourth and Virginia and reports there are about hundreds of people marching up there, flanked on both sides by cops in riot gear. "Everything's peaceful so far," she says.

3:23 pm: A concerned parent wrote in an hour ago to tell us, "Madrona K-8 (and I'm sure many other schools closer to downtown) just cancelled after school programs, and bus service for kids is expected to be delayed by 1 to 2 hours, due to the shenanigans downtown. Awesome."

3:44 pm: The mayor's emergency order is here for the reading.

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3:48 pm: All the marching on Fourth Avenue has ended at Seattle Center and is now congregated around the freshly painted John T. Williams pole. Cienna Madrid says the crowd is chanting, "No borders, one nation, stop deportation." Brendan Kiley reports they're also chanting, "Honor the dead and fight for the living." There are no reports of fighting or violence at Seattle Center.

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  • Cienna Madrid

4:29 pm: The group has picked up and moved on from the John T. Williams memorial and now they're marching down First Avenue back toward Westlake. They're currently at First and Lenora, Brendan reports. Police have been taking away sticks and flag poles from people, which has provoked yelling from the demonstrators. There have been a few tense moments when the demonstrators stopped and locked arms. Police have been yelling at demonstrators to keep their distance from officers. People are popping pink balloons filled with glitter. "Looks like they're trying to glitter bomb officers in some way," Brendan reports.

4:45 pm: "On Pike between First and Second," Brendan reports, "a melee broke out when police detained somebody and other protesters shouted, 'Let him go, let him go!' And 'All cops are bastards!' People started throwing things at the police—it started with a paper airplane and crumpled up pieces of paper, then I don't know what, then police charged into the crowd and grabbed a few people. Now protesters have surrounded police, who I think are detaining people or holding them but I can't see through the crowd. In the past five minutes, I've seen police in riot gear uncapping their pepper spray and police coming onto the scene with tear gas guns. Protesters are holding Pike Street between First and Second. Some of them are putting on gas masks. Looks like they might be gearing up for a confrontation."

4:45 pm "Two men are hastily drilling plywood over the windows of Bank of America at Westlake," Brandan reports.

5:28 pm Aaron Pickus, spokesman for Mayor McGinn, tells Eli Sanders that the mayor activated the city's emergency operations center after the press conference earlier today, is in there now, and will be staying as long as necessary.

5:34 pm Frizzelle reports from Fourth and Pine (this is Eli receiving reports now, by the way) that there's a large, chanting, Occupy-ish thing going on.

"The police chief (the police chief)," they're saying. "And the mayor (and the mayor) are spreading rumors (are spreading rumors) that we're the bad protesters (that we're the bad protesters) and we can't let them do that (and we can't let them do that)."

Frizzelle says the group is a bunch of people in normal clothes interspersed with guys in ski hats with bandanas over their faces.

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  • Christopher Frizzelle

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  • Kelly O
5:50 pm Brendan reports that the crowd has moved back to Westlake, where there's currently a standoff between a line of protesters and a line of police near Macy's. He just spoke with 15-year-old Liam James Baig, who lives in north Queen Anne. Baig said he was injured in the forehead by a police officer's wooden baton during a standoff in front of Pike Place Market. "Somebody got arrested," Baig to Brendan. "We gathered around. Someone threw a bottle (glass or plastic) and the police started pushing and hitting with wood batons." Baig's small gash was later treated by protest medics.

Brendan adds: "The mood has been getting more and more intense all day, with police and protesters yelling at each other, protesters flipping off cops, calling them pigs, telling them to fuck off... I don't know, but I am suspecting that things will become more confrontation as the evening comes. They are moving to Wells Fargo soon, and they are telling parents and small children to stick together in the march."

5:55 pm What Paul Constant thinks. "Based on what I've seen of the coverage, this General Strike is being blown out of proportion by almost every media outlet in town (and a few around the country, too)."

6:02 pm Frizzelle reports that the protesters are now marching down Third Avenue, led by a woman on a bicycle with a giant—"giant"—unicorn horn coming out of her helmet. Also spotted: Commuters trapped on a Metro bus, watching and looking bored as marchers occasionally tap on their windows.

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  • Kelly O
  • The unicorn leader mentioned earlier.
6:13 pm A total of 5 arrests so far, according to McGinn spokesman Aaron Pickus.

6:24 pm Brendan reports: "We're northbound on Fourth and Marion. The group left Westlake, passed by Wells Fargo, and has now met up with the immigration reform march. Looks like they're headed back to Westlake. Every bank the march passed was heavily guarded by police officers—and the steps to Wells Fargo were blocked off by yellow tape. Several police officers and men in suits stood at the top. The crowd is banging drums, chanting, and I would say the mood is still tense but nothing has happened yet. There's a pickup truck towing a trailer with a big, red pretend jail with people inside. A man dressed as a rodeo clown is standing on top swinging a lasso and playfully catching people in the streets. The float seems to be about immigration reform."

6:38 pm Now a total of 8 arrests, says the SPD.

6:42 pm Brendan reports that the protesters from earlier in the day have now merged with a large immigration march that just arrived downtown. "The crowd has completely filled Madison between Second and Fourth Avenues," he texts. "Lots and lots of people here."

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  • Kelly O

A brass band is playing. "Sign on the bell of the tuba says 'Borders blow,'" Brendan writes. "The music is making the mood more festive... A man is giving a speech in Spanish atop a stage in the intersection of Second and Marion. Behind him is a banner saying 'We the People' in old, Revolution-era font."

According to Brendan, an SPD officer estimated the current size of the crowd at around 1,000 people.

6:51 pm We are not unique today. However, Seattle does account for a lot of the photos on MSNBC.com's slideshow of May Day rallies around the world.

6:56 pm The mayor tweets that he won't be able to attend the immigration rally, though he'd wanted to. "Events dictate that I need to be at the EOC."

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  • Kelly O
7:00 pm At the immigration rally McGinn is missing, Brendan reports, speeches are in Spanish and English, and largely concern "secure communities," the e-verify system, and Wells Fargo.

One speaker said: "The bank funds the jails." Another speaker said: "Wells Fargo makes money by dismantling Latino families." Another speaker talked about how she was taken from her small children after being detained because of her immigration status. Another speaker talked about labor, saying, "The only reason we have undocumented workers is to keep the wages low. If they could be documented, they would join unions!" It seems like the numbers have thinned some, Brendan says, perhaps because of the rain.

At one point, some of the Westlake demonstrators began chanting: "Whose streets? Our streets!" The immigration protesters responded by chanting, "Si se puede!", drowning out the other chant.

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7:13 pm Brendan reports that at Second and University, a group of protesters just got in a verbal confrontation with a dozen or so police officers. The protesters were angry because, they said, the officers had arrested one of the protest medics while he was walking down the street.

Jordan Eisen tells Brendan that he saw officers point out the medic at the immigration rally. Another protest medic named Mike Munro says he was walking with the arrested medic and one other person at Second and University. He says around a dozen police officers then surrounded them with guns drawn, told the arrested medic to get on the ground, and cuffed him. That's when the protesters gathered and began shouting.

"I've been buddied with him most of the day," Munro says, "and he's been nothing but helpful. He hasn't done anything wrong." Eisen suspects the police arrested him because he was present at the window smashings at the courthouse earlier today. But, Eisen notes, the arrested medic was encouraging protesters to not smash windows. "But, he was the closest to the broken window," Eisen says.

8:14 pm Reports of Occupiers meeting downtown to declare today a success. Meanwhile, the city's emergency operations center, which Mayor McGinn had been hunkered down in, just announced it is closing down for the night "as crowds at Westlake Center dissipated and planned protest events resolved peacefully."

Also: "The Seattle Police Department will continue to monitor and respond to public safety threats as they arise." (At least they seem to be keeping a good sense of humor about it all.)

Oh, and if you're missing your sharpened stakes, metal poles, shields, hammer, pry bar, rocks, paint, "makeshift barricade with jagged edges," modified traffic barrel, or lighters—check the SPD Twitter feed.

8:26 pm Brendan was at that closing Occupy meeting, and reports: "The mood at the day's final general assembly meeting at Westlake was calm but happy. People talked about upcoming meetings and work groups, and a few people took the people's mic to say that they had come down to thank the protesters after seeing the demonstrations on TV.

"Word around the meeting was that the medic who was arrested earlier had been released without charges. Information is pending on the legal status of the other arrestees.

"As I walk home through downtown, I see workers covering up fancy storefront windows with sheets of plywood. I asked one of the workers if everyone was boarding up for the night. He said, 'Yes, windows are expensive and we are not.'"

 

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Allyn 1
Is that why there's a helecopter outside my office?
Posted by Allyn on May 1, 2012 at 12:43 PM · Report this
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on-the-scene reports (not from me; just curating the Twitter list): https://twitter.com/pmocek/seattle-m1gs
Posted by Phil M http://https://twitter.com/pmocek on May 1, 2012 at 12:50 PM · Report this
Posted by Phil M http://https://twitter.com/pmocek on May 1, 2012 at 12:51 PM · Report this
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I really dislike phoenix jones.
Posted by Chester Copperpot on May 1, 2012 at 12:58 PM · Report this
Allyn 5
What was that? There was a group marching down the street and then we saw a smoke of some sort and then people started running.
Posted by Allyn on May 1, 2012 at 12:58 PM · Report this
cosby 6
This is why we can't have nice things.
Posted by cosby http://www.myspace.com/cosbyshownights on May 1, 2012 at 12:59 PM · Report this
7
This makes me sad
Posted by AsherCapHill on May 1, 2012 at 1:03 PM · Report this
Fnarf 8
Fuck you people. Shoot them in the knees.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on May 1, 2012 at 1:05 PM · Report this
balderdash 9
Oh, good, window-smashing. THAT will definitely help me get out from under my student loans.

Ugh. If I weren't all too aware that every movement is full of dickheads, I'd be tempted to call this a false flag setup. But it isn't. It's just dickheads.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 1:05 PM · Report this
Kinison 10
Looks like Occupy Seattle made good on their threat of being a roaming gang of thugs smashing windows and slashing tires.
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on May 1, 2012 at 1:05 PM · Report this
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@10: Kinison: A half-dozen vandals show up and cause damage, and you blame hundreds of peaceful demonstrators?
Posted by Phil M http://https://twitter.com/pmocek on May 1, 2012 at 1:07 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 12
Does this mean that Amar'e Stoudemire is part of Occupy?
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on May 1, 2012 at 1:07 PM · Report this
JF 13
@11 Pretty much. This doesn't happen without those peaceful protesters.
Posted by JF on May 1, 2012 at 1:09 PM · Report this
Fnarf 14
@11, exactly! You are them. That's what mobs are all about.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on May 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM · Report this
Andy Niable 15
‎(Yes, I know, the "troublemakers" are not Officially Sanctioned Occupy Protesters--which might be even clearer if there were a coherent, identifiable, centralized leadership and spokespeople to disavow this sort of counter-productive stupidity--if not effectively head it off in the first place.)
Posted by Andy Niable on May 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM · Report this
balderdash 16
Jesus, JF. Could you try a little harder to play into the establishment's discrediting narrative? That's like blaming the Sioux Nation for Apache atrocities against women and children.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM · Report this
John Scott Tynes 17
I've reviewed the Stranger's coverage for the day and as far as I can tell, you're not actually covering the protests at all. You're just covering the vandalism. Which means, congrats: the vandals won.
Posted by John Scott Tynes http://www.johntynes.com/ on May 1, 2012 at 1:17 PM · Report this
tabathalphabet 18
bets for how long the windows are gonna stay in the chase building at 4th and pike?
Posted by tabathalphabet on May 1, 2012 at 1:17 PM · Report this
balderdash 19
Also, man, fuck KIRO, I ain't watchin' their shit-ass coverage. They called my apartment building a drug house! They've got the journalistic integrity of a Weekly World News writer who just did a couple ounces of tainted blow.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM · Report this
CC-Rob 20
It's a repeat of of 1999 WTO - the black block idiots and/or the agent provocateurs do their best to derail the movement.
Posted by CC-Rob on May 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM · Report this
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There are also major protests going on in Portland...not sure if they're connected.
Posted by TheyCallMeHoney on May 1, 2012 at 1:26 PM · Report this
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Apparently Occupy's new position is "Fuck Windows."

Somehow, I don't think Vaclav Havel would be very impressed.
Posted by FonsieScheme on May 1, 2012 at 1:28 PM · Report this
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They said it best, "This is NOT helping!" These ignorant people don't give a fuck about anything that has to do with economic growth or change. They're just asshole hoods! Destroying private property doesn't evoke change or allow you to get what you want, it just cost buisness' money for repairs. I bet they don't even know what they're protesting! GO THE FUCK HOME and stop endangering peoples safety!
Posted by Dave E. on May 1, 2012 at 1:28 PM · Report this
24
How very 1999 of them.

"Proteltariatism"
Posted by Toe Tag on May 1, 2012 at 1:29 PM · Report this
pg13 25
Rather predictable idiocy.

There is no message other than "We love the sound of breaking glass."
Posted by pg13 on May 1, 2012 at 1:32 PM · Report this
Dougsf 26
"Proteltariatism." Eesh. If I of all people is noting your spelling, your movements in deep trouble.

Are there still self-described Wobblies?
Posted by Dougsf on May 1, 2012 at 1:32 PM · Report this
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What my co workers and I decided is that the peaceful protesters should have taken as many pictures of the vandals as they could to send to the cops, and/or grabbed them and held them down till the cops came to arrest them. If the occupy movement cannot learn to deal with thugs, they will never be a credible movement.
Posted by Blue John on May 1, 2012 at 1:32 PM · Report this
stinkbug 28
Kiro is having an orgasm over this.
Posted by stinkbug on May 1, 2012 at 1:33 PM · Report this
Rotten666 29
I have no problem with cops caving in a couple of skulls today.
Posted by Rotten666 on May 1, 2012 at 1:35 PM · Report this
30
Maybe they're window repairmen creating more business.
Posted by Senor Guy on May 1, 2012 at 1:35 PM · Report this
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So. Nobody seems to want to talk about the entire premis of May 1. The General Strike.

Which went absolutely nowhere.
Posted by tkc on May 1, 2012 at 1:38 PM · Report this
lizlemon 32
Cue "Baby, I'm an Anarchist".
Posted by lizlemon on May 1, 2012 at 1:41 PM · Report this
33
"we really wanted to see if all that glass was going to come out in one piece."
- Steve Raible
Posted by paulus on May 1, 2012 at 1:43 PM · Report this
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I was on the ground at the beginning of Occupy Seattle, back when it was mostly regular folks. When we initially had a few idiots espousing this kind of crap, I got into a yelling match with them. I explained that as an out of towner, the only thing I knew about WTO before moving here was that a bunch of punks breaking windows. "Propaganda of the deed," besides being dickish, wasn't even propaganda.

They assured me that lessons were learned, and only intelligent "diversity of tactics" actions would be carried out.

I do feel responsibility for ceding the movement to thugs, as should everyone associated with OS. Hopefully we really do learn the necessity of spelling out stances on violence, property damage and purpose up front the next time the left manages to come together.
Posted by Tent_Liberation_Army on May 1, 2012 at 1:43 PM · Report this
jackie treehorn 35
Sorry, downtown. It is a brisk, sunny day everywhere else in Seattle today. Go get yourself a nice afternoon snack.
Posted by jackie treehorn on May 1, 2012 at 1:43 PM · Report this
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Some window company is going to make bucks this week. I hope it's a small business with Union workers.
Posted by tacomagirl on May 1, 2012 at 1:44 PM · Report this
stirwise 37
To all the anarchists saying how peaceful and nonviolent these anarchist protests are, and how alarmist the mayor has been: fuck you.
Posted by stirwise on May 1, 2012 at 1:46 PM · Report this
Simone 38
Nice upside down bike police picture.
Posted by Simone on May 1, 2012 at 1:47 PM · Report this
Kinison 39
@10 ": A half-dozen vandals show up and cause damage, and you blame hundreds of peaceful demonstrators? "

It doesnt matter, Occupy Seattle provided enough cover for them to operate under. Now half of them are mingled with the group at Westlake, its almost as if they are being protected.

From the view I saw on King5, the number of anarchist looked closer to 50, not half a dozen.
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on May 1, 2012 at 1:49 PM · Report this
DOUG. 40
Who's the dumbass dressed as A Fly that I keep seeing on TV? Is he one of the "superheroes"? He appears to be pepper spraying people.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on May 1, 2012 at 1:50 PM · Report this
stirwise 41
@36 wins for finding the silver lining.
Posted by stirwise on May 1, 2012 at 1:50 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 42
I thought the premise of May 1 was the Haymarket Square riots?

I think the problem all of the left-leaning groups and coalitions have is the Inability to police themselves and keep the violent elements (some of which I have no doubt are on somebody's payroll) out of their actions. I remember during the WTO, I was walking home from work in the financial district when a car with Oregon plates pulled up, and some people with bats got out and demanded to know where The Bon Marche was. There was no way they were coming to protest unfair trade practices, so I gave them directions to the Kingdome.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on May 1, 2012 at 1:51 PM · Report this
pg13 43
KING5 has a loop of about fifteen seconds of violence that they're repeating over and over.
Posted by pg13 on May 1, 2012 at 1:52 PM · Report this
Scalpel 44
@38: "Meanwhile in Australia..."
Posted by Scalpel on May 1, 2012 at 1:53 PM · Report this
DOUG. 45
The moron on Channel 4 keeps calling The Fly guy a cop. Must be an SPD uniform change I wasn't aware of.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on May 1, 2012 at 1:54 PM · Report this
internet_jen 46
Fucking anarchists, want to live with out cops, with out banks, with out cell phones and where subsistence hunting and foraging are allowed? GET A FISHING BOAT AND MOVE TO ALASKA

Want to live with urban density? globalization is needed and therefore also capitalism.

Posted by internet_jen on May 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM · Report this
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@42 and now the Kingdome has been destroyed. I hope you're happy.
Posted by shanes on May 1, 2012 at 1:58 PM · Report this
Gern Blanston 48
I like how the reporters are dressing incognito because they're afraid they're going to be set upon by the protesters if they wear their station jackets.
Posted by Gern Blanston on May 1, 2012 at 1:58 PM · Report this
chinaski 49
I noticed all the people smashing windows were wearing hoodies...
Posted by chinaski on May 1, 2012 at 2:02 PM · Report this
JF 50
Balderdash - don't sit here and tell me that these acts of violence would have occurred without this mob. That's simply not true. That mob created the scene the afforded these assholes the ambiguity needed to destroy shit, so now the mob takes on some of the responsibility.
Posted by JF on May 1, 2012 at 2:03 PM · Report this
BostonFontSnob 51
Phoenix Jones is a menace!
Parker, get me some pictures! Miss Brant, get me some antacid!
Posted by BostonFontSnob on May 1, 2012 at 2:04 PM · Report this
52
@47 hee hee!
Posted by mhulot on May 1, 2012 at 2:06 PM · Report this
lukeiscool 53
Any staffers on the scene with Jones pictures? I sense another Newsweek cover.
Posted by lukeiscool on May 1, 2012 at 2:09 PM · Report this
chinaski 54
All of their flag/ smashing poles look brand new. The police should drop by city hardware and find out who cleaned them out on 5' lenths of dowel rod. Chances are they paid with a Wells Fargo credit card.
Posted by chinaski on May 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM · Report this
Baconcat 55
I was just going to take photos, too. Craziness!
Posted by Baconcat on May 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM · Report this
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There is something very Seattle about a costumed publicity hound imperiling strife-tourists.
Posted by gloomy gus on May 1, 2012 at 2:12 PM · Report this
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@39, Kinison wrote, "It doesnt matter, Occupy Seattle provided enough cover for them to operate under. Now half of them are mingled with the group at Westlake, its almost as if they are being protected."

Are you out of your mind? You are blaming peaceful demonstrators in a public park for providing cover to vandals.
Posted by Phil M http://https://twitter.com/pmocek on May 1, 2012 at 2:12 PM · Report this
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The parents of these idiots must be so proud ...
Posted by Amanda on May 1, 2012 at 2:13 PM · Report this
bleedingheartlibertarian 59
"I got pepper sprayed by Phoenix Jones" would make a great T-shirt.
Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on May 1, 2012 at 2:13 PM · Report this
Gurldoggie 60
The system is fucked. People are understandably pissed. Smashing a few windows owned by national and multi-national corporations seems like a pretty harmless way to let off some steam.
Posted by Gurldoggie http://gurldogg.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 2:14 PM · Report this
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Everyone hipster dressed in their usual basic black better be careful walking around downtown today.

Posted by bigyaz on May 1, 2012 at 2:18 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 62
I agree with Fnarf. Shoot Pheonix Jones in the knees.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on May 1, 2012 at 2:22 PM · Report this
dan10things 63
"The system is fucked. People are understandably pissed. Smashing a few windows owned by national and multi-national corporations seems like a pretty harmless way to let off some steam."

Smashing the windows of your fellow people seems incredibly lame and stupid.
Posted by dan10things http://10thingszine.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 2:23 PM · Report this
Hernandez 64
@60 Yeah, I'm sure the minimum wage retail workers cleaning up the broken glass and paint mess feel exactly the same way.
Posted by Hernandez http://hernandezlist.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 2:28 PM · Report this
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@60, That's kinda the point. It's a "feel-good, do nothing" measure for the black bloc, and it's just alienating them further from people who might be sympathetic.

It's the worst kind of protest-- not only is it ineffective, it's self-discrediting, negating the good parts of Occupy's message in an attempt to "blow off steam." Gotta have a long game, kids. Otherwise, you're just one cog on the problem flywheel.

Of course, people are going to go "OMG PLANTZ! FALSE FLAGSZ WE'D NEVER DO THAAAAAT", but that's horseshit. If places in the totalitarian Eastern Bloc (you wanna talk about false flags and agent provocateurs!) can have massively successful peaceful protests that actually work, there's no reason beyond the moronic anarchist purity cults that we can't do so as well.
Posted by FonsieScheme on May 1, 2012 at 2:28 PM · Report this
Baconcat 66
@61: Run, Victoria Beckham, run!
Posted by Baconcat on May 1, 2012 at 2:28 PM · Report this
Gurldoggie 67
I wish I could convince you @63. If only there was a song that talked about "Young people everywhere are gonna cook their goose. Lots of kids are working to get rid of these blues, cause everybody's sick of the American ruse..." But I guess you'll just never sympathize.
Posted by Gurldoggie http://gurldogg.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM · Report this
Wicked Virgin 68
So about those immigrants and their rights...
Posted by Wicked Virgin http://goo.gl/nBxVY on May 1, 2012 at 2:34 PM · Report this
Allyn 69
@60, 67
“seems like a pretty harmless way”

I’m not so sure the shop keepers and store employees feel that way. My friend J works at Nike. He did not feel it was so harmless. The guy inside the bank, how do you think he feels standing on the other side of glass that’s being pummeled? The woman inside American Apparel. Do you think the store employees wonder if the vandals will get bored of breaking glass and will want to move onto something meatier?
Posted by Allyn on May 1, 2012 at 2:36 PM · Report this
70
Everybody knows these vandals are cops in disguise who use these opportunities to lobby for more military equipment, right?
Posted by cliche on May 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM · Report this
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#57. Phil. Good for the peaceful dancing at Westlake (whatever that has to do with May Day). But let's all chant together now: "This is what diversity of tactics looks like". You thought maybe that official stance of Occupy meant that some kids would dance while others drummed?
Posted by Uhm, "diversity of tactics" anyone? on May 1, 2012 at 2:38 PM · Report this
Lose-Lose 72
Black Bloc = CORPORATE AGENTS.
What a bunch of fucks.
Thanks, Black Bloc, for destroying a movement and returning power to the corporatations!

Again, what a bunch of stupid fuckwads.
Posted by Lose-Lose on May 1, 2012 at 2:39 PM · Report this
Erin Resso 73
Oh, "Breaking News", I get it!
Posted by Erin Resso http://deejayres.tumblr.com on May 1, 2012 at 2:40 PM · Report this
lark 74
Breaking news? Bad pun after looking at the photos.

Yeah, Occupy et al is officially persona non grata with me These idiots just blew any chance of empathy for their cause. Absolute foolishness.
Posted by lark on May 1, 2012 at 2:40 PM · Report this
dan10things 75
@67 - I've protested and fucked shit up most of my life. But there's a difference between attacking the state and attacking your fellow protestor's and the working class' cars. There's a difference between smashing the window of a bank and smashing the window your fellow Seattleite's car, if you're too dumb to realize that, don't blame me. And don't whine the next time someone vandalizes or steals your personal stuff.
Posted by dan10things http://10thingszine.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 2:42 PM · Report this
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@70, like I said, then it's the organizer's fault for not being aware of that potential and working to diffuse it.

Read some of the dissident literature from the Eastern Bloc. Those guys KNEW they were being watched 24/7 and infiltrated, and yet organizations like Solidarnosc and VPN knew how to get a rally going in an effective non-violent manner.

You wanna have a leader-less, open-to-all-even-the-cranks movement? Then you're also gonna have to reap what you sew when you're easily infiltrated, taken off message, or derailed by the extremist movement du jour.
Posted by FonsieScheme on May 1, 2012 at 2:43 PM · Report this
Sir Vic 77
@56 If he's lucky, his career will end with a fundraiser for his medical care. If he's not, it will be for a funeral. He's bringing a clit to a cockfight. Very Seattle.
Posted by Sir Vic on May 1, 2012 at 2:45 PM · Report this
78
Better take away those scurry flags.
Posted by suddenlyorcas on May 1, 2012 at 2:50 PM · Report this
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@67 - Whoa zine post sub reference for the kill shot! well played! hats off to you.
Posted by 10thingsheshouldhaveknown on May 1, 2012 at 2:51 PM · Report this
Zebes 80
"Grr! I'm so mad I'm gonna smash this here Nike store! That'll show them! Grr! Fuck you, Nike!"

'Ugh! Look at that guy! I'm so mad he's smashing up that there Nike store that I hope he gets shot in the stomach by the cops! It pisses me off so much!'
Posted by Zebes http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.html on May 1, 2012 at 2:52 PM · Report this
81
Figure out where the flag carrying vandalists came from and where they went. Figure out their names. Don't be surprised if they turn out to be cops.
Posted by thurs0513251 on May 1, 2012 at 2:53 PM · Report this
wilbur@work 82
Occupy Seattle -- the dumbest Occupy there is! Congrats on another day of ruinous stupidity and completely missing the point. DIAF.
Posted by wilbur@work on May 1, 2012 at 2:54 PM · Report this
83
Fuckers! Now this is the kind of protest that warrants tazers and pepper spray. Not people sitting peacefully.
Posted by Root on May 1, 2012 at 2:55 PM · Report this
pfffter 84
So the mayor is signing a blanket order giving police the authority to take anything from people on the streets that can be used as a weapon. I call bullshit on that.
Posted by pfffter on May 1, 2012 at 2:56 PM · Report this
blip 85
Wait, so now this is just about 'blowing off steam?' Or no, it's a bunch of undercover cops!

my. fucking. GOD. If these fucking retarded protests don't completely destroy my faith in humanity, reading these fucking retarded comments will surely do the trick.
Posted by blip on May 1, 2012 at 2:56 PM · Report this
ingopixel 86
What do you want to bet a bunch of the people smashing up the American Apparel widows were wearing AA clothes?
Posted by ingopixel on May 1, 2012 at 2:57 PM · Report this
pfffter 87
@86 One of the black bloc attacking nike was wearing nike shoes. HAHAHA.
Posted by pfffter on May 1, 2012 at 2:59 PM · Report this
Vince 88
People are angry and frustrated. We get it. But there are effective ways of expressing yourself that don't include violence and property damage. When they grow up they'll realize that. Sigh.
Posted by Vince on May 1, 2012 at 2:59 PM · Report this
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I'm inclined to dismiss the Black Blockers as douche bags of the relatively harmless variety. I suspect they are to cowardly to do anything that could get somebody hurt and land them in serious legal trouble.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on May 1, 2012 at 3:00 PM · Report this
r.chops 90
so are the "black-clad" anarchists with occupy or not?
Posted by r.chops on May 1, 2012 at 3:01 PM · Report this
91
Why's John Diaz dressed like a middle school gym teacher? Only in Seattle...
Posted by UberAlles on May 1, 2012 at 3:01 PM · Report this
92
This must be Phoenix Jones's favorite holiday.
Posted by lilHoss on May 1, 2012 at 3:02 PM · Report this
JonnoN 93
Fucking anarchists ruin everything. They're probably all from Oregon.
Posted by JonnoN http://www.backnine.org/ on May 1, 2012 at 3:02 PM · Report this
Fnarf 94
@47 FTW. Catalina, I hold you personally responsible (for the Kingdome).

@56 honorable mention.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on May 1, 2012 at 3:03 PM · Report this
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lmao @ the concept of "the man" caring enough about your so-called movement to fake being vandals
Posted by Reader01 on May 1, 2012 at 3:05 PM · Report this
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These "anarchists" are so predictable now because they are both infiltrated and instigated by the federal and local government. The reason the police and local government officials like McGinn can be so certain there will violence is because they are getting the information directly one or two steps removed from the people who are actually planning the violence.

Way to go Stranger, you are getting more and more status quo all the time! I'm sure you'll be getting rewarded with more NYT op ed opportunities soon.
Posted by cracked on May 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM · Report this
Kinison 97
My wife texted me and said the mayor is instructing the police to confiscate the poles the anarchists were using to smash windows. If this is true, mayor is toast. He wont survive the primaries.
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on May 1, 2012 at 3:08 PM · Report this
bleedingheartlibertarian 98
When sticks are outlawed, only outlaws will have sticks.

Or something.

Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on May 1, 2012 at 3:09 PM · Report this
99
Has anybody else heard that the Judkins march has departed early, heading toward downtown? That's what the security guard in our building was saying.
Posted by NotYourStrawMan on May 1, 2012 at 3:09 PM · Report this
dan10things 100
@86 One of the kids smashing the Nike windows was indeed wearing Nikes:
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt…

Which makes be tend to believe these aren't real anarchists. Real anarchists actually live by the ideals they preach as opposed to kids that play dress up like an anarchist and break windows.
Posted by dan10things http://10thingszine.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 3:10 PM · Report this
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"My wife texted me and said the mayor is instructing the police to confiscate the poles the anarchists were using to smash windows. If this is true, mayor is toast. He wont survive the primaries. "

Why? That would be the third thing he's done that would make me want to vote for him.
Posted by Reader01 on May 1, 2012 at 3:11 PM · Report this
pfffter 102
@101 Ah yes, destroying civil liberties. You must be a Republican, eh?
Posted by pfffter on May 1, 2012 at 3:13 PM · Report this
bitchery_bitcherton 103
"Proteltariatism" stupid fuckfaces. thanks for nothing.
Posted by bitchery_bitcherton on May 1, 2012 at 3:14 PM · Report this
104
What liberty is being destroyed by confiscating dowels, pray tell?
Posted by Reader01 on May 1, 2012 at 3:15 PM · Report this
105
"International Worker's Day" - the 'holiday' that's celebrated by cock sucking losers who are unemployable!
Posted by BetarayBilly2 on May 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM · Report this
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We have been indoctrinated with a belief that non-violent patient movements are the only successful tactic for change, fuck patience. Almost every true social movement has used force. These people are risking a arrest to show their frustration, they haven't injured anyone all they have done is destroy some property to make a point. "Power concedes nothing without a demand" - Fredrick Douglas.
Posted by FuckPatience on May 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM · Report this
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P.S. Wouldn't surprise me these days if Blackwater private army services, now called Academi, didn't provide violent anarchist services as an adjunct to comprehensive public relations campaigns by large corporate industry lobbying groups. The local police probably don't even have to involve themselves directly at all anymore in these large jurisdictions. It would surely give more return per dollar than a large multi-million dollar television campaign trying to tout the public benefits of a vibrant successful Wall Street trading industry.
Posted by cracked on May 1, 2012 at 3:17 PM · Report this
108
We have been indoctrinated with a belief that non-violent patient movements are the only successful tactic for change, fuck patience. Almost every true social movement has used force. These people are risking a arrest to show their frustration, they haven't injured anyone all they have done is destroy some property to make a point. "Power concedes nothing without a demand" - Fredrick Douglas.
Posted by fuckpatience on May 1, 2012 at 3:18 PM · Report this
109
#77 *hands you the 'Worst Simile in the History of Time' award*
Posted by pranagraphic on May 1, 2012 at 3:21 PM · Report this
pfffter 110
@104 A blanket order giving police discretion to confiscate citizens' private property that in their judgment can be used as a weapon. Yeah, I don't see how anything could possibly go wrong with that. Jackass.
Posted by pfffter on May 1, 2012 at 3:23 PM · Report this
chinaski 111
#108
an arrest. This is slog.
Posted by chinaski on May 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM · Report this
112
My sister works for at the Nordstrom corporate office, and she wrote me that the building was on lockdown because their office doors were smashed. Has anyone else heard or seen this?
Posted by Herbert on May 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM · Report this
113
@110 - ah yes, an order to confiscate poles is now an order to confiscate CITIZENS' PRIVATE PROPERTY AAARRRRGH!

Jackass.
Posted by Reader01 on May 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM · Report this
114
There’s a group of about 400 marching from Westlake toward the John Williams memorial site at Seattle Center right now, on 4th Avenue. There are 50 at the front of that crowd wearing gas masks, per police radio. They're at 4th and Lenora right now.
Posted by NotYourStrawMan on May 1, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report this
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@108: Violent revolutions have a lesser degree of initial success, and a higher degree of counterrevolution then their non-violent counterparts. Besides, you are a dumbass, and need to shower and get that paint and teargas off your body, before your mom notices.
Posted by General Strike=FAIL on May 1, 2012 at 3:30 PM · Report this
116
I guess this is why that survivalist in North Bend hunkered in his bunker.

Still a poor survival strategy, just judging by results.

Posted by RonK, Seattle on May 1, 2012 at 3:31 PM · Report this
pfffter 117
No, idiot. Read the order. It's nowhere near as specific as poles. Is a cane a pole? How about a sign? Anything can be confiscated from anyone without reproach. CAN YOU READ YOU FUCKTARD?
Posted by pfffter on May 1, 2012 at 3:33 PM · Report this
118
LET ME KNOW HOW IT TURNS OUT YOU FUCKTARD!

pffffffft
Posted by Reader01 on May 1, 2012 at 3:37 PM · Report this
Fnarf 119
Sounds like Phoenix Jones has committed a number of assault-and-batteries. I hope they get him too.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on May 1, 2012 at 3:39 PM · Report this
120
Slog says "southbound" but those people appear to be headed north in the photo. So which is it?
Posted by Actionsquid on May 1, 2012 at 3:41 PM · Report this
michijo 121
It's not such a big deal. Those are wealthy businesses. They can afford to have their windows fixed. It merely looks bad and causes a scandal, but the damage is superficial.
Posted by michijo on May 1, 2012 at 3:41 PM · Report this
122
"Almost every true social movement has used force."

"Every true social movement", except for East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bolivia, Argentina, Thailand, Hungary, Bulgaria, Burma, etc. and every other democratizing movement of the last 30 years that has succeeded, not to mention the Women's Rights, Civil Rights, the Prohibition movement (and the movement to repeal it), and the Gay Rights movement in this country. I guess those don't count or something?

You don't upset entrenched power sources by attacking their strengths. You attack their weaknesses and their legitimacy. It's pretty simple.

From Dictatorship to Democracy is available free online; read it. It's led to more successful democratic revolutions than I bet you have IQ points.
Posted by for crying out loud on May 1, 2012 at 3:43 PM · Report this
Gurldoggie 123
I think all of you are looking at this day, this movement, this moment in history through an embarrassingly reactionary lens. There are many people out there who are completely shut out of the system and the number is growing rapidly. They don't read your comments and they don't share your goals of gentle protest or affecting peaceful change or "fixing the system." It's over. These are the end times and the only thing left to do is FUCK SHIT UP. Deal with it how you must - plant a garden, throw a rock or just keep your head down - but you can't avoid the tide of history by wishing it away.
Posted by Gurldoggie http://gurldogg.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 3:49 PM · Report this
dan10things 124
@121- How do you know the tourist from Canada who got his windows smashed can afford it? Tell me where you live and I'll smash your shit in protest and then tell me how the damage is superficial. There's a difference between smashing targeted business windows and drunken fratboy car destruction, anarchists should be smart enough to not fall into the latter category. And they should be smart enough to not wear Nikes when they protest Nike and not wear American Apparel when they protest American Apparel. It's really hard to justify or defend being that stupid.
Posted by dan10things http://10thingszine.blogspot.com on May 1, 2012 at 3:52 PM · Report this
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WAIT! - The Mayor just said police can confiscate anything that can be used as a weapon. What can't be used as a weapon? Can they search people bags and cars? Did we just lose some constitutionally protected rights over a few broken windows? What's going to happen when it's not just some broken windows and spray paint?
Posted by flounder on May 1, 2012 at 3:53 PM · Report this
wisepunk 126
@111 THIS....IS....SPARTA!!!
Posted by wisepunk on May 1, 2012 at 3:54 PM · Report this
127
@120, Evidently, the reporter meant northbound. Changing it now.
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle on May 1, 2012 at 3:54 PM · Report this
128
Well that makes more sense, thanks!
Posted by Actionsquid on May 1, 2012 at 3:55 PM · Report this
129
they look like Teenage Mutant Ninja fanclub members...for people interested in some gesture of righting-the-wrong...i'm going to buy a couple of shirts at American Ap tomorrow. Maybe something from Nike too.

I know, it doesnt really make a difference in the big picture, but if a few people did that....hmm.

can the hobo's, i mean, anachists go back to Eugene PUH-LEASE?
Posted by Cassette tape fan on May 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM · Report this
130
I understand the desire for protest porn, but is it possible to maybe leave that to the mainstream media? Instead maybe you could cover the fact that there was an immigrant rights march to Wells Fargo today, that there were people who gave speeches and not just shouted slogans, and that today is supposed to have something to do with workers' rights?
Posted by Trevor on May 1, 2012 at 4:00 PM · Report this
Michael of the Green 131
I do wish that the decent, right-minded Occupiers would make at least SOME gesture demonstrating the distinction between them and the vandals -- preferably in front of the frothy-mouthed cameras. Would it kill them to take a lesson from the anarchists and understand that what makes the news is the stuff that makes a titillating narrative? How about some citizen's arrests?
Posted by Michael of the Green on May 1, 2012 at 4:07 PM · Report this
132
Being anti-establishment is SO 1999. Now anti-anti-establishment, that's cool!
Posted by NancyBalls on May 1, 2012 at 4:08 PM · Report this
133
I thought the courthouse at Sixth and Spring wasn't even in use as a courthouse anymore.
Posted by UnoriginalAndrew on May 1, 2012 at 4:08 PM · Report this
134
How many of the protestors were wearing Nikes?
Posted by Casual_Observer on May 1, 2012 at 4:14 PM · Report this
135
@80: I'm with you. I see shit like this, and reactions like this, and I can't help but imagine a fat guy in a top hat and monocle, laughing so hard he almost tips over and rolls down his huge pile of money.
Posted by Ben on May 1, 2012 at 4:15 PM · Report this
JF 136
"No Boarders, One Nation" Here that Canada? We're coming for your health care.
Posted by JF on May 1, 2012 at 4:15 PM · Report this
137
@123: You know that people have been claiming that it's the endtimes since the beginning of people claiming things at all, right?

@107: Ooo, yay, a conspiracy theorist. How often does *that* ideology pan out for you?

@108: Methinks you're wrong. Gandhi and King taught you nothing, I see. More violence does not beget peace. This vandalism is wrong for the same reason the War on Iraq was wrong. Just casualties... most of whom had nothing to do with anything.
Posted by pheeeew!crack!boom! on May 1, 2012 at 4:16 PM · Report this
138
Can someone tell me why you would break American Apparel windows? I get Nike but...
Posted by ryanisinallofus on May 1, 2012 at 4:28 PM · Report this
139
@136 - why are you against people renting out rooms in their homes and cooking them meals?
Posted by Reader01 on May 1, 2012 at 4:28 PM · Report this
JF 140
@139 I didn't know I was... What I do know is I need to proof read my posts.
Posted by JF on May 1, 2012 at 4:33 PM · Report this
Scalpel 141
@138: Because they make horrible, ugly clothes for horrible, ugly people. Silver lame' leggings are a privilege, not a right.
Posted by Scalpel on May 1, 2012 at 4:37 PM · Report this
tainte 142
ah, so nice and peaceful out here in issaquah. think i'll go crack open a cold one and soak my feet in the creek.
Posted by tainte on May 1, 2012 at 4:40 PM · Report this
143
People running around busting up businesses and cars while terrorizing people just trying to go about their lives are not protesters. They are criminals and vandals who need to be arrested. Please, news people, stop calling them what they aren't and start calling them what they are.

To the protesters (the legit ones who aren't into violence): please separate yourselves from these people. You are being associated with them and whatever point you wanted to make is being muddled by those who would believe that breaking things can solve problems. They're doing it in the name of "stirring up a national discourse" which would be funny if they didn't seriously believe it's true. You don't want to be a part of that kind of sick joke.

To the deluded who think this violence will somehow *not* alienate you from the vast majority of society and instead bring people together to support your cause:
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Posted by Midhir on May 1, 2012 at 4:41 PM · Report this
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This is all amazing to me. I'd love to see this crap get attempted over on this coast, maybe Boston or Worcester. About the time they start smashing people's windows, they'd find themselves getting smashed back. What a bunch of ass clowns. Occupy is done. All they're doing is pissing on their own corpse.
Posted by NateMan on May 1, 2012 at 4:44 PM · Report this
145
Anyone know if the buses are running through downtown on 3rd and whatnot with any regularity?
Posted by Commuter on May 1, 2012 at 4:45 PM · Report this
gunmmoontree 146
Why American Apparel?
Posted by gunmmoontree on May 1, 2012 at 4:49 PM · Report this
147
Time 0:37, smashing the Nike Store... wearing Nikes.
From http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/more-k…
"attack Niketown" video.
Posted by J.T.Moon1979 on May 1, 2012 at 4:51 PM · Report this
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LOLOLOLOL
Time 0:37, smashing the Nike Store... wearing Nikes.
From http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/more-k…
"attack Niketown" video.
Posted by J.T.Moon1979 on May 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM · Report this
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@131: Big, peaceful, rally at Westlake where people are oblivious to the vandalism blocks away isn't enough of a statement for you?
Posted by Phil M http://https://twitter.com/pmocek on May 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 150
I for one am glad the Mayor banned all cars. Those things are dangerous!
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on May 1, 2012 at 4:58 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 151
but this does prove what I said about Taggers Being Dangerous Animals ...
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on May 1, 2012 at 5:00 PM · Report this
curtisp 152
Stupid protesters...you are NOT supposed to get close to a cop. If they allow it and someone grabs a gun then opens fire stupid protesters you will blame the cops. Get it. They are there to protect public safety. Not get along with your stupid ass. We don't pay them to get along with your stupid ass. Don't protest if you are too dumb to figure this out. Back off or grow up and prepare to be arrested.
Posted by curtisp on May 1, 2012 at 5:15 PM · Report this
153
fuck the spd
Posted by Swearengen on May 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM · Report this
154
@144 Down in LA, Korean grocers have been know to kill a person over a stolen bottle of orange juice. Think what would happen if some of those black block pussies busted one of their shop windows.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on May 1, 2012 at 5:23 PM · Report this
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Christopher: You changed the headline to say that "violence erupts". That's a bit misleading. Has anyone been harmed? Do count breaking inanimate objects as violence?
Posted by Phil M http://https://twitter.com/pmocek on May 1, 2012 at 5:25 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 156
Pepper spraying a Slog commenter is not illegal, people. This is still America, you know.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on May 1, 2012 at 5:26 PM · Report this
157
It's so depressing that cowardly anarchists have hijacked any form of liberal protests. These creeps are an embarrassment and keep people (like me) from taking part in events like this one. Whatever your feelings about cops, they don't deserve a day of violence against them.
Posted by mitten on May 1, 2012 at 5:29 PM · Report this
Michael of the Green 158
@149 Let's see which makes the evening news, shall we?
Posted by Michael of the Green on May 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM · Report this
Erin Resso 159
Hahaha, KIRO just broadcast a solid 30 seconds of "Fuck the Police" being chanted.
Posted by Erin Resso http://deejayres.tumblr.com on May 1, 2012 at 5:33 PM · Report this
StellaLuna 160
Breaking windows, lobbing rocks, and setting fires outside stores when people are inside is violent. If someone broke out my windows I would consider it an act of violence.
Posted by StellaLuna on May 1, 2012 at 5:33 PM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 161
All this violence and destruction is so NOT the 99%. They do not speak for me, NOT IN MY NAME AS AN AMERICAN.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on May 1, 2012 at 5:40 PM · Report this
162
These are McGinn's people. What did anyone expect?
Posted by Mister G on May 1, 2012 at 5:46 PM · Report this
164
Somehow, the police never manage to arrest the guys who all arrive dressed in black, wearing hoods, looking completely unlike the protesters. The pepper-spray the crowd behaving themselves appropriately and never catch their agents provocateurs, who are in there only to give the protesters a bad name and the police a rationalization for violence.
Posted by shambhaladawa on May 1, 2012 at 5:58 PM · Report this
165
Quick shambhaladawa and others, quickly answer a few questions for us

1. Who planned and executed 9/11?
2. Do vaccines cause autism?
3. Do you believe in chemtrails?
Posted by Reader01 on May 1, 2012 at 5:59 PM · Report this
166
164 is missing a word in the second sentence. Correction: The police pepper-spray the crowd ...
Posted by shambhaladawa on May 1, 2012 at 6:00 PM · Report this
167
@164 And some how Occupy can't figure out how to stop this shit from happening either. They either want it to happen or are too unimaginative to figure out a solution.

C'mon guys, it's not like this is something new.
Posted by FonsieScheme on May 1, 2012 at 6:11 PM · Report this
TVDinner 168
Pepper spraying 156 might not be a crime, but pepper spraying Baconcat is a federal offense. Bacon and all its derivatives have long enjoyed inviolability under federal statutes.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on May 1, 2012 at 6:25 PM · Report this
blackhook 169
Smashing windows ...what a bold statement!
Posted by blackhook on May 1, 2012 at 6:25 PM · Report this
Kinison 170
What the hell? Why didnt the police arrest people smashing windows right in front of them? Should be 20 people arrested by now.
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on May 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM · Report this
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Anarchists. They drive cars (supporting the oil industry) on roads (made possible by government), and eat food and wear clothing they didn't produce on their own little co-op farms. What a bunch of whiny-assed cliche punks. Cops should be clubbing them just on priciple.
Posted by Karina on May 1, 2012 at 6:44 PM · Report this
Lew Siffer 172
I'd be nice if the main crowd stomped those shitstains into the cement. The smashers are deluded fools.
Posted by Lew Siffer on May 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM · Report this
Michael of the Green 173
"Violence is Erupting!", and only 8 arrests all day? What's missing here?
Posted by Michael of the Green on May 1, 2012 at 7:03 PM · Report this
Fnarf 174
This is all so scripted, and so ineffectual. The violent ones, and the peaceful ones -- they all damage their cause. I saw a guy, perfectly peaceable, just ambling down the street with a sign that said "LEGALIZE IT". That sign makes legalizing it LESS likely. The immigration rights people -- I'm a big supporter of immigrant rights -- they're maybe making themselves feel better, but they're doing nothing, nothing for immigration rights. "WE ARE THE 99%" is a message guaranteed to turn the 99% against you.

Clusterfuck. God bless the SPD, and best of luck to you all. The best possible outcome of this is that Phoenix Jones accidentally sets himself on fire and dies in it.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on May 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM · Report this
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Gosh, Goldy must be so happy! And Charles!!
Posted by galena on May 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM · Report this
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It seems to me this would have been a grand opportunity to register new voters. Change from within and all.
Posted by FranFW on May 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM · Report this
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"VIOLENCE ERUPTS!"

...in one or two incidents that lasted a scant few minutes and involved MAYBE a dozen people doing damage to windows!

Oh yah, and then PEACE CARRIED THE REST OF THE DAY for the literally THOUSANDS of other people participating.

But you know, we'll go ahead and run the "VIOLENCE ERUPTS!!!!" headline.

Cuz that's just the kind of honorable, objective, not-at-all-sensationalistic journalism you've come to expect from SLAG!!
Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on May 1, 2012 at 7:59 PM · Report this
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Just how could Occupy (or anyone) keep the anarchists from showing up? That's a ridiculous claim.
Posted by sarah70 on May 1, 2012 at 8:15 PM · Report this
michijo 179
@124 If you want to smash anything of mine, you would be hard-pressed, as I own little. I don't own a car for instance or a house. So you would have to smash something communal, like a public bus. I dont even own a TV. There is my computer though....:) Frankly, most Canadians hate Americans anyway. I've even talked to one who didn't like Americans moving to Canada to get away from the USA. The tourists come over the border and buy stuff at the American mall, then return home to their universal healthcare and Harper dictatorship.
Posted by michijo on May 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM · Report this
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Don't all the people remember the elections of '68 and '72? These kinds of protests put their enemies in office and they will again.
Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces on May 1, 2012 at 8:51 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 181
Fnarf dear, you know I adore you, and I suppose you are right, but I do have to ask: what are people who want to express their dissatisfaction supposed to do? I agree with Our FranFW that voting is the most important thing you can do, but do you think public protest is a lost cause, or is it our particular type of inane/crypto-sociopathic NW protesting?

Don't get tense and brusque, dear. I am both nonplussed, and sincerely interested in your opinion. Also, remember that I am an invalid. At least for the next eleven hours.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on May 1, 2012 at 9:02 PM · Report this
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@179, I wouldn't say we hate you, it's just that most of us (Canadians) have our head up our asses and look down at the states while ignoring whats going on in our own country.

Also why can't police come up with tatics to stop this kind of stuff? Same thing happened in toronto and vancouver last year. How hard is it to arrest the people that are smashing shit? I mean I'm glad the police are out there and 90% of the time I'm on their side but you think they could come up with some tatic to stop jackass thugs from smashing shit. I was at westlake park this morning waiting for the bus and about 10 people there looked sketchy with black hoodies hidden behind their jackets and scarfs around their neck. There was about three police officers standing near by and I didn't see one go up and be like so whats going on with that scarf. You think they'd be on the look out for people dressed in black bloc outfits...
Posted by j2patter on May 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM · Report this
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@180 - no, I don't think they remember that.
Posted by spock on May 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM · Report this
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@180

It might be a little unreasonable to expect anyone under 45 years old to remember the elections of '68 and '72.
Posted by robotslave on May 1, 2012 at 9:11 PM · Report this
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@182

The whole point of the "tactic that is called black bloc" is to evade the cops. Hence, it shouldn't be entirely surprising that the police have trouble arresting Smashists who use this tactic; who mingle into large crowds, slip on concealing hoods and scarves for their Smashist actions, and then melt back into the crowd.

The police can't arrest someone for wearing a scarf or a hoodie; they have to catch the Smashist in the act to make an arrest.
Posted by robotslave on May 1, 2012 at 9:25 PM · Report this
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@185, it's not that hard to pick out the sketchy people with hoodies hidden under their clothes and ski masks/scars around their neck and keep an eye on them. Like I said, there was about 10 people that the cops could have at least talked to/kept an eye on this morning at westlake, but they seem completely indifferent to them. You don't have to arrest them, but you can walk up and be like hey, I see that ski mask and I've got my eye on you. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy the cops are in good spirits/friendly most of the time in seattle, I just would've expected them to be more alert/agressive today considering the noise the mayors office was making.
Posted by j2patter on May 1, 2012 at 9:35 PM · Report this
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And in the video of the people smashing nikie town, you can see the cowardly thugs run in the opposite direction as soon as the bike cops come. Why wasn't there plain clothes officers in that direction ready to intercept them? But my point is bigger, this isn't just an issue with the SPD but with all police forces. It seems they have two responses: a) hands off and b) smash in heads/tear gas everyone. The same thing happened in toronto. There's got to be a much better way of dealing with the trouble makers.
Posted by j2patter on May 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM · Report this
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@182


There was about three police officers standing near by and I didn't see one go up and be like so whats going on with that scarf. You think they'd be on the look out for people dressed in black bloc outfits...


Yes. Also, Muslims.

"Profiling"? What's that?
Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on May 1, 2012 at 9:54 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 189

I was going to check out what American Apparel is all about, but I stopped with the slide presentation for "Lola"

http://www.americanapparel.net/

I did see a mention on the site they were "Sweatshop Free".

Seems like a low cost clothing store for hot females.

Why them?

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on May 1, 2012 at 10:01 PM · Report this
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@189

Because they've got "American" in the name? Because the CEO is a notorious sexist shit? Because they're somehow emblematic of hipsterism? Who knows?

Smashists aren't terribly picky, once they get going.
Posted by robotslave on May 1, 2012 at 10:15 PM · Report this
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Anyone who was a witness to this police action @ http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/confro… - on May Day where the young man was pinned to the ground by several police officers (and was later taken to Harborview Med Center (where he remains @ 9;30 p.m. without contact with his parents...or information about his medical condition - post significant cervical surgery several weeks .))

He is not an anarchist, not a member of a group, but more probably in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am his godmother.

PLEASE email me @ lharris@campicheblue.com and give a description and contact information for follow-up. Did you see or photograph with a smart phone? Please send photos. Did you get/see a badge number? What did you see? What did you hear? Who were you there with?

Trying to figure out the facts here.

Thank you in advance.

lharris@campicheblue.com

Posted by leslie123 on May 1, 2012 at 10:15 PM · Report this
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@188, if you think a muslim scarf looks like a black block scarf, you need a reality check. If you think a cop talking to someone who looks sketchy in all black clothing hidden under normal clothing with a mask/scarf around their neck at a place where police suspect black bloc tatics are are going to be used is the same thing as cop harrashing your average muslim person for being a muslim, you're an idiot.
Posted by j2patter on May 1, 2012 at 10:27 PM · Report this
COMTE 193
Jesuz Henry Fucking Christ on a Crutch, does it really only take a few shattered panes of glass to turn SLOG into the Northwest branch of Free Republic?
Posted by COMTE on May 1, 2012 at 10:28 PM · Report this
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Most of the comments I just read here are inane, insipid, devoid of any historical context, idiotic parroting of the shit forcefed to them by the corporate media, the corporate marketing geniuses, the military industrial complex, etc. What is the cost of a few (insured) broken windows vs the trillions gambled away by wall st on credit default swaps, or by bush on the completely illegiate iraq and afghan wars? We have become orwell's 1984. Big brother is here. Oh well. I support the police state. Just give me my prozac and I'll shut up peacefully.
Posted by Jim M67itchell on May 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM · Report this
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Do these people realize that the meaning of thier protest is lost when all control is lost. I believe in everyone's rights to protest all they want but people don't realize that there are alot of people that don't know what the protest is about due to all the other stuff that happens in the protests.
Posted by aberdeen mom on May 1, 2012 at 10:43 PM · Report this
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@194

OK, fair enough, but could you please explain to us sheeples how real work is being done on those real issues when someone breaks a bit of insured plate glass?
Posted by robotslave on May 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM · Report this
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Interesting point, 194. A broken window at a clothing store will show those military industrial complex monsters of depravity who is really in control!
Posted by Karina on May 1, 2012 at 10:48 PM · Report this
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@164 you are so right. We never see a big arrest of any of these "anarchist" vandal groups followed by a high profile conspiracy trial. Never. It isn't because they are too sophisticated to be busted. It is because their leadership is working with law enforcement. We know that law enforcement infiltrates these groups, but they never go for the big conspiracy to commit terrorism prosecution, because the pro-establishment public relations generated by the violence is too useful.

The people who get prosecuted are almost always truly peaceful protesters who are busted under the most ridiculous circumstances, such a being corralled into an enclosed space, peppers sprayed, and then arrested for resisting arrest
Posted by cracked on May 1, 2012 at 10:49 PM · Report this
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P.S. Also, these violent "anarchists" (who never get busted under the RICO statutes because they are working for/with law enforcement) help set up and legitimize the use of violent excessive force against PEOPLE by police if protests get big enough to scare the establishment.
Posted by cracked on May 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM · Report this
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How did jimi hendrix lighting his guitar on fire change anything? Was kurt cobain pragmatic when he blew his head off? Why didn't hemmingway join alcoholics anonymous? Why didn't jesus christ just be a good citizen of the empire? Why was solzhenitsyn in siberia when he could have been a captain in the army of the soviets?
Posted by Jim M67itchell on May 1, 2012 at 10:54 PM · Report this
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@187 The don't have a tactic to make arrests against the "black bloc" because they don't want to make arrests. They like the destructive violence against property because it helps them justify all actions they might take in the future against all the other protesters and marchers, like the person put in Harborview by the cops whose godmother was asking about him @191.
Posted by cracked on May 1, 2012 at 11:02 PM · Report this
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Mayor mcginn is worried about a few insured windows and we're changing the earth's climate with rampant consumerism? We can't change this system with polite objections. The military industrial complex can destroy life on earth, and we're going to treat it respectfully? The wealthy own obscene shares of wealth. Factory farms feed the obese. Euthanasia is outlawed. Contraception is made difficult to obtain in the third world. Prisons overflow in the us with non-violent drug offenders. And we're supposed to believe ther's a chance to changr all this pragmatically and peacefully? Human nature is selfish and destroying the planet as a cancer upon it. Might as well break a couple fucking windows, no?
Posted by Jim M67itchell on May 1, 2012 at 11:08 PM · Report this
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@200

OK, I think I get it now. Breaking insured plate-glass windows is like being the Jimi Hendrix of destroying capitalism?

Did you know that "grandiosity" isn't in the dictionary?
Posted by robotslave on May 1, 2012 at 11:23 PM · Report this
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@185 @186

Damn, Zimmerman should use today's shenanigans in his defense. "Well look at those black bloc guys with their hoodies and nikes and whatnot, what was I supposed to do?"
Posted by lindy_baconcat on May 1, 2012 at 11:34 PM · Report this
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Phoenix Jones didn't spray anyone in the face directly. A pepper bomb went off. Jones was also a victim of the pepper bomb. They were protecting the courthouse and did a damn fine job if I remember correctly. Your friend at the Slog is either lying or crazy.

Source: I was there.
Posted by Suloren on May 1, 2012 at 11:35 PM · Report this
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@194 I guess all the people whose cars who got trashed and now have to pay insurance deductibles or buy new tires should be thanking you right?
Posted by Lew Siffer on May 1, 2012 at 11:41 PM · Report this
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Mayor mcginn is worried about a few insured windows and we're changing the earth's climate with rampant consumerism? We can't change this system with polite objections. The military industrial complex can destroy life on earth, and we're going to treat it respectfully? The wealthy own obscene shares of wealth. Factory farms feed the obese. Euthanasia is outlawed. Contraception is made difficult to obtain in the third world. Prisons overflow in the us with non-violent drug offenders. And we're supposed to believe ther's a chance to changr all this pragmatically and peacefully? Human nature is selfish and destroying the planet as a cancer upon it. Might as well break a couple fucking windows, no?

Geez, I hope you're at least cute enough to fuck.
Posted by Mister G on May 1, 2012 at 11:48 PM · Report this
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@192

Here is the point that you have dismally failed to comprehend thus far:

A person's appearance nor choice of dress does not provide evidence that they have committed or are about to commit a crime.

When police suspect persons of criminal activity based on appearance or choice of dress they infringe on those persons' civil liberties. Such profiling based on one's appearance poses the danger that citizens may incur police scrutiny and targeting based on subjective interpretations of dress, skin tone, phenotype, etc.

This can have dire consequences. Perhaps you have heard of a young man named Trayvon Martin?

Further, I never suggested nor implied that "a Muslim scarf looks like a black bloc scarf" (which is of course a moronic interpretation of what I said).

But your very suggestion of this reveals the many flaws in your feeble logic:

What is a "black bloc scarf"? What is a "Muslim scarf"? What does "sketchy" look like? Who gets to decide which scarfs are "black bloc scarfs", which are "Muslim scarfs", and which are "normal scarfs" (or even, I dunno, "hipster scarfs")? You? Officer Joe Schmoe?

Starting to get the picture here?

Good. Please do try to put a little more thought into your posts in the future, m'kay?
Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on May 2, 2012 at 12:10 AM · Report this
Will in Seattle 209
According to multiple MSM news sources, including Bloomberg, Seattle's SPD had undercover cops in the Black Bloc group.

Which leads one to ask - were they encouraged to act or not?
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on May 2, 2012 at 12:37 AM · Report this
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@205 what's a ”pepper bomb?”
Posted by I don't think that's a real thing on May 2, 2012 at 12:43 AM · Report this
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American Apparel is only slightly less evil than Nike (seriously, Dov Charney and Phil Knight both have a special seat reserved at Hell's bottle service booth). That said, neither one of them deserves to have their windows smashed out by a bunch of unfocused folks who have no relevant means of discourse aside from violence.
Posted by Casual_Observer on May 2, 2012 at 12:51 AM · Report this
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@209

It does not lead "one" to ask, it leads you to ask. If you want to tell us you think the Seattle police are using plainclothes officers to incite violence, then just say so directly, don't hide behind semantic tomfoolerly like that.

@210

Just what it sounds like. It's like a tear gas grenade or canister, except it releases aerosolised capsaicin, the active ingredient in pepper spray.
Posted by robotslave on May 2, 2012 at 12:58 AM · Report this
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208 -- Police are allowed to approach people and ask questions, especially in an area where anarchist riots and vandalism are expected to break out. They are also permitted to use their own discretion in identifying which people to approach -- these are both basic aspects of their job. It's possible to ask a question or engage people in conversation without gunning anyone down, George Zimmerman-style. You're probably right though. It's better that the police hung back and didn't try to talk to anyone wearing a ski mask around their neck. That could have led to someone feeling that their civil liberties were being violated. What happened instead was way better.
Posted by Amanda on May 2, 2012 at 1:37 AM · Report this
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@213

...and any person so approached has the right to refuse to answer questions. The police in the US can't even demand identification without "reasonable and articulable" suspicion that the person is already involved in criminal activity. The police here in Washington State can't even ask for ID based on such suspicion, as WAia doesn't have a Stop and Identify Law.
Posted by robotslave on May 2, 2012 at 2:15 AM · Report this
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@213

Sure, police may approach people and ask them questions. And those people are are free to walk away without consequence if they are not being lawfully detained*. (In practice you should probably inquire if you are "free to leave" first.)

In fact police are bound by specific rules when making a "Terry stop", that is detaining someone without placing them under arrest:


In the United States, a Terry stop is a brief detention of a person by police[1] on reasonable suspicion of involvement in criminal activity but short of probable cause to arrest.

The name derives from Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968),[2] in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that police may briefly detain a person who they reasonably suspect is involved in criminal activity;[3] the Court also held that police may do a limited search of the suspect’s outer garments for weapons if they have a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the person detained may be “armed and dangerous”.[4] When a search for weapons is authorized, the procedure is known as a “stop and frisk”.

To have reasonable suspicion that would justify a stop, police must be able to point to “specific and articulable facts” that would indicate to a reasonable person that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed.[5] Reasonable suspicion depends on the “totality of the circumstances”,[6] and can result from a combination of facts, each of which is by itself innocuous.[7]


Choice of fashion accessories does not indicate "that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed". Not even during a protest. (Lot's of people wear black clothing and scarves -- even those who have no interest in anarchy or black bloc. And you might even find black-clad, self-avowed anarchists who -- just imagine! -- don't commit vandalism.)

As someone who has been stopped and frisked on multiple occasions while minding my own business, I can tell you it is a deeply degrading and intimidating experience.

Even with the requisites imposed by the Terry stop rules, we still see tremendous numbers of questionable or outright wrongful stop and frisk procedures.

Protection of civil liberties is essential to maintaining a healthy society and respecting the dignity and rights of all individuals.

P.S. How does someone wear a ski mask "around their neck"?

*I'm not a lawyer, do your own research.
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Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on May 2, 2012 at 3:50 AM · Report this
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@214

Sadly police don't always follow their own regulations (whoda thunk it, eh?).

Once, while walking along a road, a cop stopped me, frisked me (more like a sudden, violent groping), and demanded ID.

I refused at first. The cop declared if I didn't provide my license he would call for a K9 unit to sniff search me (for what, who knows?).

I eventually complied because it seemed like the easiest way to end the encounter.
Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on May 2, 2012 at 4:09 AM · Report this
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@216

And you were convicted of..?

When a cop doesn't follow procedure, and if you actually get arrested (you didn't!) then any public defender will be able to get you acquitted easily. And if they call in the dogs, you'll probably be able to take them to civil court for damages, too.

There's a reason it's called a justice system. Try thinking for a few minutes about what contemporary anarchists want to replace it with: no cops, no laws, no fixed penalties, restorative justice for grievous harm administered solely by General Assembly.
Posted by robotslave on May 2, 2012 at 4:25 AM · Report this
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It was a good show. Nobody died. A blip on the arc of inevitable human sel-destruction by means of greed, ego. We show ourselves to be absurd and irrational animals by accepting the paternal scolding of the administrative and media arms of the same system that brings us hundreds of thousands of dead iraqi and afghan civilians and trillions of worthless credit default swaps created out of thin air by ivy league educated bored fat cat wall street cokeheads. This is another sad commentary on theincreasingly obvious conclusion that in the absence of God in a chaotic universe, the only rational act of the will is for sisyphus to continue rolling the rock up the hill, or better yet to shoot himself like kurt cobain.
Posted by Jim M67itchell on May 2, 2012 at 6:34 AM · Report this
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Maybe this will finally get senators out of the pocket of Big Coffee and Big American Apparel.
Posted by adamsass on May 2, 2012 at 7:25 AM · Report this
WFM 220
"A Contingency of Unicorns".

That's the title of the Great American Novel I am about to commence writing.
Posted by WFM on May 2, 2012 at 8:01 AM · Report this
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Thw Indians weren't massacred non-violently. Blacks were not brought over to build the empire without bloodshed. Nazis wouldn't have listened to polite, reasoned arguments. Why must the left apologize for showing one bit of red faced temper at the obscene excesses of the western right? Prefuckingposterous. The windows will be replaced in a week. The lives of dead iraqis and afghans sacrificed for Big Oil will not. Starbucks and textile stylists could not exist without cheap energy safeguarded by the military industrial complex. The debt incurred by offering tax cuts to the wealthy will not go away as quickly as this mess will. You people are mostly zombie citizens of the latest empire to occupy the dubious honor of top dog on the shit pile of human civilization. Good day to you!
Posted by Jim M67itchell on May 2, 2012 at 8:30 AM · Report this
michijo 222
@182 Canadians are swine for thinking they are more European than Americans. Clearly Northern Europe has chosen the USA to carry out its Imperialist activities. You simply werent "the chosen". BTW, thanks for the coming supply of toxic waste you are sending me:

http://www.newmainetimes.org/articles/20…

I have a black hoodie myself. I am not sure why they are criminalized. Black is a warm color, and a hood keeps neck and head warm.
Posted by michijo on May 2, 2012 at 9:18 AM · Report this
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@217: Right...because cops never falsify police reports, do they?
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on May 2, 2012 at 9:34 AM · Report this
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@216 if you don't want people to misinterpreted your comments try posting more then a 4 word sentence as a follow up. People that respond with one sentence then follow it up with a paragraph about how their comment was misinterpreted are douchy trolls.

Also a police office has the right/responsibility to talk to people they think are suspicious. If there are known thugs that conceal black goodies under normal cloths and masks around their neck, the cops aren't doing anything wrong by talking to them. There is such a thing as prevent a crime before it happens, and despite what you think this can be done constitutionally.

Also to equant the travyon case to this is a strawman and a douche argument. In one there was no reason to suspect travyon and the use of force was uncalled for. Honestly just tossing out travyon martin to win an argument is douchy and disrespectful.
Posted by j2patter on May 2, 2012 at 10:07 AM · Report this
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@223 -- Is your point that not having police would be better?
Posted by Amanda on May 2, 2012 at 10:12 AM · Report this
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You apologists for the police and the existing power structure might want to check out "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander. Just a suggestion...

I personally have spent 45 days in jail and found the food to be quite nutritious, the showers hot, the beds warm and comfy. I got a lot of reading done, and met some interesting people.

The police state does not change minds through enforcement of unjust laws implemented by the power structure to protect the wealth and status of the elites.

Smashing windows calls attention more effectively than polite protest marches down State-sanctioned parade routes.

Fight the Power!
Posted by jim m67itchell on May 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM · Report this
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Society
Jerry Hannan
Performed by Eddie Vedder

It's a mystery to me
We have a greed with which we have agreed
And you think you have to want more than you need
Until you have it all, you won't be free

Society, you're a crazy breed
I hope you're not lonely without me

When you want more than you have, you think you need
And when you think more than you want, your thoughts begin to bleed
I think I need to find a bigger place
Cause when you have more than you think, you need more space

Society, you're a crazy breed
I hope you're not lonely without me
Society, crazy indeed
Hope you're not lonely without me

There's those thinking more or less, less is more
But if less is more, how you keepin score?
Means for every point you make your level drops
Kinda like you're startin' from the top
And you can't do that

Society, you're a crazy breed
I hope you're not lonely without me
Society, crazy indeed
I hope you're not lonely without me
Society, have mercy on me
I hope you're not angry if I disagree
Society, you're crazy indeed
I hope you're not lonely without me
Posted by jim m67itchell on May 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM · Report this
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@226

And all the buttsex you wanted and then some. Those inmates should have fucked you harder.
Posted by Mitt Romney's pooper scooper on May 2, 2012 at 11:36 AM · Report this
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@226 Good one! Hardy-har-har. You should take that comedy shit on the road! "Is this an audience or an oil painting (tapping mic)...? Good night, Ladies and Germs..."
Posted by jim m67itchell on May 2, 2012 at 11:49 AM · Report this
Lew Siffer 230
Jim m67itchell's of the world, unite and smear your feces on your face, pick your nose and drool.
Posted by Lew Siffer on May 2, 2012 at 12:28 PM · Report this
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I don't follow your line of reasoning, Lew, buddy - because I speak truth to power, and you suck its cock, you resort to ad hominem jr. high school taunts?

You should let Dick Cheney use you as his boytoy. Or worse, Condy Rice's loveslave.

Piece of shit losers. Go back to Nazi Germany where you'd feel right at home gassing jews, or the Roman Empire crucifying Christ, or, well, you don't get the point, do you, you pansy ass piece of shit.
Posted by jim m67itchell on May 2, 2012 at 12:38 PM · Report this
Hot Hot 232
Did anyone finish off the Urban Outfitters window? Just sayin, half the work is done.
Posted by Hot Hot on May 2, 2012 at 2:26 PM · Report this
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@224 (the numbskull) says:


Also to equant the travyon case to this is a strawman and a douche argument.


Hmm, false. (And an embarrassing misuse of the word "strawman".) I did not "equant the travyon case to this".

In fact, I made an appropriate and correct application of germane real-world events to a discussion on the practice of appearance-based profiling and its consequences.

Also a police office has the right/responsibility to talk to people they think are suspicious.


What exactly are you having difficulty with here? The English language?

To repeat the requirements of a Terry stop:

To have reasonable suspicion that would justify a stop, police must be able to point to “specific and articulable facts” that would indicate to a reasonable person that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed.


"He looked suspicious" and "he was wearing a 'black bloc scarf'" are not "specific and articulable facts" that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed.

There is such a thing as prevent a crime before it happens, and despite what you think this can be done constitutionally.


Sorry, I deal in verifiable assertions and valid logical arguments, not unsubstantiated proclamations.

But if you feel strongly about this you might be keen on the precrime policing of Minority Report and the "pre-emptive war" doctrine of George W. Bush against Iraq (and potentially Obama and Isreal against Iran).
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Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on May 2, 2012 at 2:57 PM · Report this
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"This is another sad commentary on theincreasingly obvious conclusion that in the absence of God in a chaotic universe, the only rational act of the will is for sisyphus to continue rolling the rock up the hill, or better yet to shoot himself like kurt cobain."

Or you could grow up and get a job son.
Posted by Jim's dad on May 2, 2012 at 4:03 PM · Report this
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@Ipso Facto

People walking around in what appears to be black bloc clothing -- in an area where black bloc riots are expected to break out -- would absolutely meet the requirement of "specific and articulable facts" as outlined by the Terry stop law. All the police need is reasonable suspicion. Again, no one has said these people should have been gunned down like Trayvon Martin. You're digging your heels in and being ridiculous.
Posted by Amanda on May 2, 2012 at 4:55 PM · Report this
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@234. My income is about $125k this year. Is that enough, or should I grow up some more, Daddy? You fucking TOOL.

Posted by jim m67itchell on May 2, 2012 at 5:49 PM · Report this
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@Jim's Dad: Your suggestion that your son "grow-up and get a job" is already incorporated in his first option to "continue rolling the rock up the hill". That you appended the word "Or" to the beginning of your redundant proposal reveals that you haven't been listening to him, or perhaps that you are unfamiliar with Greek mythology or existentialists.
Posted by Jim's brother on May 2, 2012 at 5:53 PM · Report this
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@235

Please read what I posted in @215:


Choice of fashion accessories does not indicate "that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed". Not even during a protest. (Lot's of people wear black clothing and scarves -- even those who have no interest in anarchy or black bloc. And you might even find black-clad, self-avowed anarchists who -- just imagine! -- don't commit vandalism.)


The condition that you and j2patter keep citing -- your subjective notion of "black bloc clothing" -- is NOT SUFFICIENT grounds for detention by police.

In the absence of “specific and articulable facts that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed", there would be no justification for a Terry stop of someone wearing black clothing at a protest.
Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on May 2, 2012 at 7:10 PM · Report this
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@223: Uh, no. Yours is an odd conclusion to make. My point to the naive poster @217 was that the justice system is rigged toward the police, unless you have the money and/or time to pose a defense.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on May 2, 2012 at 7:25 PM · Report this
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@239

And yet it's a justice system. Falsified police evidence can be, and is, successfully fought. And often not, true enough. The present system is, I'd agree, far too biased in favor of "one innocent man convicted" rather than "one guilty man goes free." And that really sucks.

Now please (please!) convince me how that particular problem wouldn't be (much!) worse under a system of no-fixed-law, no-fixed-penalty justice administered solely by borderless, antirepresentational, supermajority consensus-process direct-democracy gatherings of autonomous, interested individuals: e.g. Occupy's system of General Assembly.

And if you don't think one of those adjectives applies, please do object; My perception is that each is a bedrock principle for some securely large voting block of core Occupy participants.
Posted by robotslave on May 3, 2012 at 1:30 AM · Report this
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@240: You're so caught up in the minutiae of a system you think you know something about by reading more about it than some, but nevercan any individual's ego-based intellectual pursuit be sufficient sans humility and audacious creativity. Laws are written by politicians. Constitutions are written by empowered groups based on the latest advances insocio-economic political philosophy. Society is organized by groups of intelligent animals, still balancing their lizard brainstems against their emotional hippocampus. As human beings, we do not live solely in the cerebal cortex as your handle tips us you would find preferable to a humanistic existence that we in fact are resigned to occupy. You are conservative at core, and rooted in the world you see, not the dynamic chaotic supra-human universe that is and will always be. Godless Christian! Spiritless, pessimistic head in the sand police-state supporting sad person! Throwing a few stones is a work of symbolic performance art, necessary to stir the imagination of a media soaked and ultra-jaded mass culture. Reacting in a hysterical, uncool,pathetically humorless way that mayou mcginn did, a fucking 'environmentalist' is sickening. But, what the fuck, nobody died. Admit it was a good show. Never support the status qou. It's boring, unsatisfying, and cruelly ignorant.
Posted by Jim M67itchell on May 3, 2012 at 7:22 AM · Report this
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Jim, my gun is is still in my drawer if you need it. Mom is tired of your rants over the Cocopuffs every morning.
Posted by Jim's Dad on May 3, 2012 at 7:35 AM · Report this
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@239: I don't believe in anarachy. Or a police state. Crazy, I know.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on May 3, 2012 at 8:45 AM · Report this
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April 29, 1992

I don't know if you can,
but can you get an owner for Ons,
that's O-N-S,Junior Market,
the address is 1934 East Aneheim,
all the windows are busted out,
and it's like a free-for-all in here
and uh the owner shouldat least come
down here and see if he can secure his business,
if he wants to...

April 26th, 1992,
there was a riot on the streets,
tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV,
while I was paticipatin' in some anarchy.

First spot we hit it was my liqour store.
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford.
With red lights flashin' time to retire,
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire.

Next stop we hit it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make that window drop.
Finally we got our own p.a.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
Hey!

(call fire, respond mobil station.
alamidos in Anahiem,
its uhh flamin up good.
10-4 Alamidos in Anaheim)

Never doin no time

When we returned to the pad to unload everything,
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings.
So once again we filled the van until it was full,
since that day my livin' room's been more comfortable.

Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here,
It's getting harder and harder and harder each and every year.

Some kids went in a store with thier mother,
I saw her when she came out she was gettin some pampers.

They said it was for the black man,
they said it was for the mexican,
and not for the white man.

But if you look at the streets it wasn't about Rodney King,
It's bout this fucked up situation and these fucked up police.
It's about coming up and staying on top
and screamin' 187 on a mother fuckin' cop.
It's not written on the paper it's on the wall.
National guard??!
Smoke from all around,

bo! bo! bo!

(units, units be advised there is an attempt 211 to arrest now at 938 temple,
938 temple... 30 subjects with bags.. tryin to get inside the cb's house)

(as long as I'm alive, I'mma live illegal)

Let it burn, wanna let it burn,
wanna let it burn, wanna wanna let it burn

(I'm feelin' Sad and Blue)

Riots on the streets of Miami,
oh, Riots on the streets of Chicago,
oh, on the streets of Long Beach,
mmm, and San Francisco (Boise Idaho),
Riots on the streets of Kansas City
(Salt Lake, Hunnington Beach, CA),
Tuscaloosa Alabama (Arcada Clarkston Michigan),
Cleveland Ohio,
Fountain Valley (Texas, Barstow - Let's do this every year),
Bear Mountain, Vista View (Twice a Year),
Eugene OR, Eureka CA (Let it burn, let it burn),
Hesperia (Oh, ya let it burn, wont'cha wont'cha let it burn),
Santa Barbara,Cuyamca, Nevada, (let it burn)
Phoenix Arizona,
San Diego, Lakewood Florida, (let it burn)
fuckin...Dreadnaught punks!(wontcha let it burn)

any units assist 334 willow,
structure fire, and numerous subjects looting

10-15 to get rid of this looter..

10-4
More...
Posted by jim m67itchell on May 3, 2012 at 10:22 AM · Report this
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By the way, it's a false dichotomy between anarchy and police state. Don't label a few spirited protesters as "anarchists" in order to demonize them. Those are George W Bush's Republican Party tactics - label and demonize the opposition as "terrorists", "socialists", "wimps", "fags", "losers", etc...

Nobody was violently attacked. Windows are ensured. A little disruption is good for the education of the citizenry to larger issues than the day to day maintenance of a system that is fundamentally flawed and headed off the cliff of climate change, nuclear holocaust, or just plain old fashioned greed and ego at the expense of beauty and sympathy.

It's a balancing act. A little spontaneous performance art created out of whole cloth by some vital young people is necessary to offset the complacency of the anti-depressant drugged Soccer Mom led middle classes.

Posted by jim m67itchell on May 3, 2012 at 10:50 AM · Report this
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"Nobody was violently attacked. Windows are ensured."

No Jimmy, your grandma is Ensured, those windows had humans standing behind them working.

Btw Gran wants to know if you got your birthday check.
Posted by Little Jimmy's Dad on May 3, 2012 at 12:40 PM · Report this
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"plain old fashioned greed"

Now jimmy, as your mom and I have repeatedly told you, you're free to give away part or all of that upper middle class income of $125,000 a year you told everyone you make at last years Thanksgiving (btw mom told you not to open that 2nd Beaujolais).

I mean, if you're in the top 15% of income earners, why not give it to the poor?

See u at the summer house?
Posted by Little Jimmy's Dad on May 3, 2012 at 12:51 PM · Report this
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@241, @244 ("jim m67mitchell")

I can't say you've swayed me on the justification of vandalism, but you do offer some stimulating ideas.

I've sung those very Sublime lyrics countless times when I was younger. I honestly never recognized their political significance until this moment. I guess I took it more as a vicarious "wilin' out" song.

Thank you for that!

Bradley Nowell was a brilliant artist of the people. We lost an enormous talent when he passed. Suddenly I have to wonder how natural his death was.

Kurt Cobain, Bradley Nowell, Tupac, Biggie... wow. What might the world have been if they were still with us?
Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on May 3, 2012 at 4:45 PM · Report this
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@243

Well then, what do you believe in? There's plenty of middle ground there; which part of it do you stand on? How would your ideal justice system avoid being "rigged toward the police?"
Posted by robotslave on May 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM · Report this
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@93 Oregon seems "geil" as they say in Germany.
Posted by michijo on May 3, 2012 at 5:07 PM · Report this
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Wait, so its illegal to have flags if they;re attached to wooden posts? how do I let people know what i think? my arms are too small to raise my message above the masses :(

grrr.....angryyy....SMASHY SMASH....>!!!!!!!!!

Martial Law is here
Posted by activefolklore on May 4, 2012 at 12:03 AM · Report this
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Dear Jim,

I am so sorry that your father is a no good, two-timing, abusive, alcoholic creep. (...But even I never realized that he might be ...a Republican.)

I hope you can forgive me for leaving as I did, and that you understand that he would have killed me if I stayed, and if I had take you with me, he would have followed us and killed us both.

If it's any consolation, I want you to know that he is not your real father. By the time you were conceived, he had been shooting blanks for years (when he was able to shoot at all). The booze and syphilis ravaged his genitals long before it inevitably rotted his brain.

Your real father was a good man, a REAL man, a man who didn't need to use facile cynicism to compensate for a tiny, shriveled, useless prick. (...and believe me, he wasn't no damned Republican!)

With all my love,
Mom
Posted by Jim's mom on May 4, 2012 at 5:41 AM · Report this
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Actually, Mom, it was far wors than you imagine. My 'Dad' abused me from the time I was 4 or 5. He would return from his pathetic job at the factory where he, as you remember, was a low level supervisor, and he was so humilated he would dress in stockings and then parade around with a big buttplug in his ass. He would drink and start singing the fight song of his wsu fraternity, the last 'good' times he ever remembers, sleeping with the freshmen brothers secretly when the other guys were out partying. He loved the comraderie of the military, but he hated that he had to hide his cocksucking of the officers. Poor guy, he tried so hard to fit into the paternal hierarchy at ibm, but they just ridiculed him for his girly mannerisms. Finally he wound up becoming addicted to meth, walking aurora at night, and working in the factory. Even the republicans at the caucus laughed at him and refused to elect him their delegate.
Posted by Jim M67itchell on May 4, 2012 at 7:27 AM · Report this
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Like father, like son, Little Jimmy. Like father, like son. 

By the way, if your mama hadn't been suckling your cock since age 4, you might have turned out as half a man instead of what you are today.

Don't forget to thank Grannie for the $25 birthday check and let us know how much of your fabulous $125,000 a year income you give to the po', as you like to call them. That one always give mom and I a REALLY good laugh.

By the way, why do you hate homosexuals so much? I thought people like you embraced my lifestyle.
Posted by Little Jimmy's Dad on May 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM · Report this
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@251

Under everyday law, it is of course perfectly legal to carry around bats, truncheons, clubs, smoke bombs, and other skull-cracking and property-burning paraphernalia. All perfectly legal! You can even drape flags over them, totally legally!

But yeah, the Evil Mayor did issue a Martial Law injunction saying it was OK for the police to confiscate smashist equipment away from the Neo-Smashists.

So, like, that's totally oppressive! Neo-nazis totally have the right to burn crosses when they march! Government oppression! Rally to us the clear and unquestionable sympathies of the proletariat! MAY DAY VICTORY!!!!

Or, alternately...
Posted by robotslave on May 5, 2012 at 2:14 AM · Report this
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It was a necessary display. It 'helped' to the extent anything is or can be helpful. To the idiot whocalls himself my 'dad', whatever, man, it's all an absurd joke, and thanks for the laugh. It's alright, pa, I'm only bleeding...
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