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Tuesday, June 5, 2012

To All the Divisive Haters Trying to Drive a Wedge Between Racial Minorities and Gays

Posted by on Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:47 AM

It won't work:

NYT: National gay rights advocates plan to join other civil rights leaders on Tuesday in calling on Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg to end the Police Department’s current stop-and-frisk policy, which they argue constitutes harassment of young black and Latino men.

Back in March, the National Organization for Marriage released court filings that admitted it intended to "find, equip, energize and connect African American spokespeople for marriage... and to provoke the gay marriage base into responding by denouncing these spokesmen and women as bigots."

But the NAACP board voted to endorse same-sex marriage two weeks ago. And now the gays are holding their press conference—from the Stonewall Inn—to denounce New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's racist stop-and-frisk practices that ensnare hundreds of thousands of black and Latino men each year.

Nothing like a wedge to bring people together, eh?


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Soupytwist 1
This is the kind of alliance building that I have wanted to see from various groups for years. I'm so happy!
Posted by Soupytwist on June 5, 2012 at 8:53 AM · Report this
I hope this year's Seattle Pride chooses a theme that will help us counter that horrible right-wing talking point. Say, "The Many Faces of Pride", or something like that. They could do ads on the sides of buses with the theme, too, designed in a way to show off our many colors of the homo rainbow.

But they'll probably do a theme that just jumps on the gay-marriage bandwagon. That'd be easiest, and certainly popular. I wouldn't blame them.
Posted by gloomy gus on June 5, 2012 at 9:01 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 5
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. First of all, NYPD's policy wasn't racist. Secondly, they discontinued it over a year ago. Thirdly, the proposed changes will not decriminalize carrying pot; they'll only change it from a "crime" to a "violation." And finally, what the fuck does any of this have to do with gays?

Sorry. I guess I'm just living on a different planet than you are.

Thank God.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty on June 5, 2012 at 9:08 AM · Report this
@5, it's all a little tenuous sometimes, yeah, but we kibitz anyway. Don't get all King Canute on us.
Posted by gloomy gus on June 5, 2012 at 9:19 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 7
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty on June 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM · Report this
Keekee 8
King Canute, that'z rich!
Posted by Keekee on June 5, 2012 at 9:28 AM · Report this

Much as you'd like to blame these groups for the hesitation in approving Marriage Equality, again I have state that it's your own mainstream Democrats who are the biggest block in such an effort.

While the far left of course support it, the moderate to conservative Democrats are not making the transition from DP to ME...I would say charity begins in the home in this case and blaming all sorts of people because of your own failures to implement within your house is counter productive.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on June 5, 2012 at 9:30 AM · Report this
NaFun 10
@5 - Oh hey, you're back. Figured you'd have been all over the gun control comment threads from last week.

Anyway, you're wrong. Here are the stats from the stop and frisk program since 2002. You can see they're continuing apace in 2012:…

The change in policy would make the 'marijuana in public view' something that you can't get arrested for, which happened to over 50,000 New Yorkers a year under Stop and Frisk. You need to catch up. Go read Dom's post from yesterday:…

Posted by NaFun on June 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM · Report this
SpecialBrew 11
You know, I never felt like the so-called "black homophobia" ran very deep. Even during The Stranger's heyday of Prop 8 historonics. Yes, there was a cliche "God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" traditionalism in the African-American churchs but I never seemed to hear the sort of insideous "homosexual agenda" and "downfall of society" language from blacks who claimed to think gay marriage was wrong.
My guess is that African-American harbor no illusions about American Judeo-Christian Society circa 1958 being the pinnacle of happiness and success so antipathy toward gay people was just a mild "its not the way it is" as opposed to the white, Evangelical animus toward gays which (honestly) is more like anti-Semitism ("those people look down on decent working-class Christians!", "those people are infiltrating our schools!", "those people own the media!").
Posted by SpecialBrew on June 5, 2012 at 9:54 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 12
I avoid the gun control threads any more. There's nothing more to say. The battle has been won. 68% of Americans support the NRA and what we're doing (…), so it's a waste of time to argue about it.

As far as this issue is concerned, it would appear that you're the one who needs to do some reading. Don't have link(s) for you, but maybe I'll get lucky, come across one and add to this. Stay tuned.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty on June 5, 2012 at 9:56 AM · Report this
danindowntown 13
"ensares hundreds of thousands of black and Latino men each year."

I think your hyperbole got away with you there. Your post from yesterday cites 50,000 arrests a year. Which is it tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands?

Posted by danindowntown on June 5, 2012 at 9:58 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 14
Actually, the more I think about it, it was either yesterday's or today's NYT. I'm not going to run up against their paywall to try to find it for you, though.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty on June 5, 2012 at 10:02 AM · Report this
Vince 15
We've always been on the same side. I remember when Jesse Jackson ran for president we all supported him in the Castro. Keep hope alive!
Posted by Vince on June 5, 2012 at 10:07 AM · Report this
You ignore/minimize the deep anti-gay feelings within the African-American (and Latino) communities at your own peril. There's still a lot of work to be done there.
Posted by bigyaz on June 5, 2012 at 10:12 AM · Report this
blip 17
@14 Yesterday's. No paywall. You're welcome. (You're also wrong).

"The number of street stops from January through March 2012 rose to 203,500, from 183,326 during the same quarter of 2011."…
Posted by blip on June 5, 2012 at 10:14 AM · Report this
Dominic Holden 19
@13) Breathe deep, my friend. Yesterday's post referred to marijuana arrests and today's post refers to stop-and-frisks. Thanks for reading.
Posted by Dominic Holden on June 5, 2012 at 10:33 AM · Report this
Don't forget the original wedge between poor whites and colored folks. That one is still going strong.
Posted by CNNicholby on June 5, 2012 at 10:35 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 21
Oh, 5280 5280 5280..... a "favorable" opinion ≠ popular "approval" or "support" or "agree with." Why do you keep saying that it does?
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 5, 2012 at 10:55 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 22
Thanks, Dom. Yes, the number of stop-and-frisks is different from the number of marijuana arrests. The stop-and-frisks are going to continue regardless. I have my own opinion about that, but it's a different issue.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty on June 5, 2012 at 10:57 AM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 23
Well, if BillO thinks that this policy stops the "punks & wise guys," then I'm all for repealing it.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on June 5, 2012 at 11:29 AM · Report this
Keekee 25
Down with pubks & wise guys!
Posted by Keekee on June 6, 2012 at 11:23 AM · Report this

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