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Organization Fighting to Ban Same-Sex Marriage in Minnesota Posts Bible Verse Calling for Gay People to Be Put to Death

Posted by on Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Good As You:


Alert John Mac! Someone on his side is citing Levitical laws! And the Old Testament isn't germane!

Sign, once again:

Sorry, John Mac, but the Old Testament is germane. Anti-gay Christian hypocrites—and not all Christians are anti-gay; not all Christians are hypocrites—are constantly citing passages in the Old Testament to justify the persecution of LGBT people. We are far likelier to hear about Leviticus 20:13 and Sodom & Gomorrah in an anti-gay sermon than we are to hear about Corinthians or Timothy. And when conservative Christians toss Leviticus 20:13 in our faces—or get it tattooed on themselves (in violation of Leviticus 19:28)—we have a right to confront them about everything in the Old Testament that they choose to ignore, from the "abomination" of eating of shellfish to God giving dads the okay to sell their daughters into slavery. ("Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" is a popular an Old Testament reference too.)

But it's only when gay people bring up a passage like Deuteronomy 22:20-21 that you hear anyone say, "Oh, that stuff about stoning daughters to death on their wedding nights if they're not virgins is in the Old Testament, you goof! That's not in the New Testament!" If it's out-of-bounds—totally not kosher—for gay people to bring up what the Old Testament says about clams and farming and personal grooming and tattoos and menstruation and virginity and adultery, then it shouldn't be kosher for conservative Christians to bring up Leviticus and Sodom & Gomorrah. Which they do. Constantly. And it's not like they have to: there are, courtesy of Paul, plenty of anti-gay verses in the New Testament. But those verses aren't anywhere near as hateful or murderous as what you'll find in Leviticus, of course, which is why they're nowhere near as popular with anti-gay bigots who call themselves Christians.

And now here we are. They say they're fighting to defend marriage from the gays. They would also like to see us dead. Because Jesus. And remember, LGBT people: we must be unerringly polite at all times to "people of faith" who run around claiming we're sick and sinful and perverse and a threat to the survival of humanity and who call for our deaths. Because Jesus.


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Delishuss 1
They're saying they were hacked, but they're leaving the quote up.
Posted by Delishuss on June 27, 2012 at 8:52 AM · Report this
The gall of them, to think that other people should have to follow their cherry-picked beliefs.
Posted by suddenlyorcas on June 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM · Report this
Like most Cindy bigots, it's obvious they haven't read their book of fairy tales either.
Posted by mubhappy on June 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM · Report this
"Cindy bigots"?!

Fuck you, autocorrect.
Posted by mubhappy on June 27, 2012 at 8:56 AM · Report this
I for one, hate the Cindy bigots the most, @4.

Also, love their shout out to David about "reading the Bible, cause then you wouldn't say such silly things." The willfully ignorant are the hardest to beat.
Posted by weatherwax on June 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 6
Not all Christains? How comforting. That's like saying not all broken legs are bad.

Posted by Pope Peabrain on June 27, 2012 at 9:01 AM · Report this
onion 7
again, they are claiming they were hacked.
the most recent post:
"Last night our Deputy Campaign Manager, Andy Parrish's personal email, Facebook, and Twitter accounts were hacked by an individual who posted the Leviticus verse below. We are currently working with Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, and Apple to see who hacked Andy's account and who posted this message. Clearly we would never advocate for anyone to be put to death - We strongly believe that people are entitled to love whomever they choose, but they are not entitled to redefine marriage for all of society."
Posted by onion on June 27, 2012 at 9:07 AM · Report this
The bible makes it CLEAR that both testaments apply. Anyone that self-identifies as christian is a danger to themselves and others.

Matthew 11:13 law prophesied till John,
Luke 16:16 law and prophets until John then gospel of the kingdom,
Matthew 22:37 Love God with all your heart with all your soul etc-love your neighbor-these two ARE the whole law and prophets,
John 1:17 law through Moses Grace and truth through Jesus,
John 7:23 circumcision a must to keep the law,
Acts 13:39 not justified by law,
Acts 15:5-20 observe law? Saved through faith,
Acts 18:13 these men want us to worship contrary to the law,
Acts 21:21 you teach to forsake Moses,
Romans 3:19 want the law says it says to those who are under the law, Romans 3:21 apart from the law is righteousness manifested,
Romans 3:27 the law of faith,
Romans 3:28 saved by faith apart from the law,
Romans 4:1-16 faith not law,
Romans 6:14 we are not under the law but under Grace,
Romans 7:4 we are dead to the law,
Romans 7:6 we are released from the law,
Romans 8:3-4 the law is fulfilled,
Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law,
Romans 13:8, 10 love fulfills the law,
1st Corinthians 9:20 not being under the law,
Galatians 2:16 we are not justified by the law,
Galatians 2:21 if righteousness is through the law Christ died in vain, Galatians 3:2 does the spirit comes by the law or faith,
Galatians 3:5 are miracles by law?,
Galatians 3:10 if you're under the law your under a curse,
Galatians 3:11 were not justified by law,
Galatians 3:13 we are redeemed from a curse,
Galatians 3:17-29 not by law but by faith we are linked to Abraham's blessings,
Galatians 5:3-4 we are severed from Christ if we keep the law,
Galatians 5:14 law fulfilled by love,
Galatians 5:18 we are led by the spirit thus not under the law,
Galatians 6:2 law of Christ,
Philippines 3:9 we are made right by faith not by law,
1st Timothy 1:9 law is not for righteous,
Hebrew 7:12 priesthood has changed and is necessary to change the law,
Hebrew 7:28 after the law comes the son,
Hebrew 8:6 we're under a better covenant,
Hebrew's 8:7 after the first; there is the second,
Hebrew's 8:13 the 1st has become obsolete and is ready to disappear,
Hebrews 9-10 describes the first being the law and the second being faith
Posted by Kylere on June 27, 2012 at 9:09 AM · Report this
prompt 10
Who the fuck hacks an anti-gay page to put up anti-gay quotes? Sounds legit guys.
Posted by prompt on June 27, 2012 at 9:13 AM · Report this
"we must be unerringly polite at all times" -fuck jesus and his cindy bigots with a fucking chain saw.
Posted by Jersey on June 27, 2012 at 9:14 AM · Report this
prompt 12
Obvious answer is they gave access to the site to one too many people in their organization who didn't get the memo that they shouldn't post that.
Posted by prompt on June 27, 2012 at 9:14 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 13
How horrible that they were hacked and someone put what they consider to be the unchangeable and perfect word of their unchangeable and perfect god on their webpage.

Why are they upset? Are they not bound by their own beliefs to claim that this is the virtuous word of a perfect god?

How are they being misrepresented? If someone can do damage to your organization by telling people what you believe, then perhaps you should not belong to that organization.

Also, if obvious morality that a child can grasp is more moral that your perfect being...well maybe you were wrong about the whole god thing.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on June 27, 2012 at 9:16 AM · Report this
MacCrocodile 14
"Cindy bigots" is my new favorite phrase. God bless you, autocorrect.
Posted by MacCrocodile on June 27, 2012 at 9:18 AM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 15
Religion is a snake eating its own tail
Posted by Urgutha Forka on June 27, 2012 at 9:23 AM · Report this
onion 16
yeah the hacking sounds a bit implausible...but look at how the post makes them look like astounding hypocrites (the bible = word of god = truth, er wait, but not for this facebook post...). if it is hacking, it is rather effective at making the hypocrisy point.
Posted by onion on June 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM · Report this
Jenny from the Block 18
Cindy bigots, ftw.
Posted by Jenny from the Block on June 27, 2012 at 9:39 AM · Report this
Can I focus on the people below "David" who tell him he really should go read the Bible after he cites a bunch of stuff that is, you know, actually in the Bible?
Posted by IPJ on June 27, 2012 at 9:48 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 20
What about a gay fetus? Is this pro-life until you're born? Oh, that's right. Stand your ground gun culture pro-life Christians murder people.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on June 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM · Report this
Ziggity 21
I think I went to high school with someone named Cindy Bigots.
Posted by Ziggity on June 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM · Report this
Today we are all Cindy Bigots.
Posted by butterw on June 27, 2012 at 10:19 AM · Report this
I don't like these people, but hacking seems pretty plausible to me; these organisations are generally pretty careful to protect their public image, and this is clearly WAY off-message. I'm very happy for them to look bad, but don't really feel the need to join in their games of Bearing False Witness when actually their story is pretty plausible.

10: Anyone who wants their hacking to be remotely effective? A thought experiment: if the post had been "We <3 Gay Sex!", how many blogs would be covering this story now? I'm guessing none. Effective hacking is when it makes people actually believe something about the person or organisation hacked.
Posted by Tag on June 27, 2012 at 10:34 AM · Report this
Skye Blu 24
I am so naming my next Indie-grunge band Cindy Bigots
Posted by Skye Blu on June 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM · Report this
Helix 25
I love the poster then saying "yeah, read your bible, none of that is in there!" to the guy bringing up stoning, slavery, etc.

Spoiler alert: all of that is in there. In the same book as the stuff about gay people!
Posted by Helix on June 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM · Report this
Good God. How in the world have these people managed to convince themselves that any of the rest of us should give a shit about what the(ir interpretation of) bible says?

I know a lot of really "christian" people, some of whom are religious, some of whom aren't. None of them would ever dare to try to impose the beliefs by which they choose to live their own lives onto anyone else.

Posted by Global Traveler on June 27, 2012 at 10:57 AM · Report this
bedipped 27
I thank all you Cindy Bigots for leading me to Susan Olsen's Fluffart. My My My Poker Fluff, Sgt. Fluffer. Don't hate, Fluff!
Posted by bedipped on June 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM · Report this
aureolaborealis 28
Hey guys, my new band, Jeebus and the Cindy Bigots, has a big gig at the open mike at the coffee shop tonight. You should all come.
Posted by aureolaborealis on June 27, 2012 at 11:06 AM · Report this
aureolaborealis 29
@24: took me too long to hit send. didn't mean to jump your train.
Posted by aureolaborealis on June 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM · Report this
aureolaborealis 30
@26: Um, because they've convinced themselves that they possess the only true knowledge. And because evangelical Cindys are operating on the used car lot paradigm -- mediocre product, insanely aggressive sales.
Posted by aureolaborealis on June 27, 2012 at 11:17 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 31
Mary and Molly were shot in a park by Christians. Mary died. Victims of pro-life, gay haters.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on June 27, 2012 at 11:19 AM · Report this
Hacked or not, it brought out the crazy in the comments, and I think they, at least, are real.
Posted by Tor on June 27, 2012 at 11:24 AM · Report this
debug 33
I'll admit it, I did it. The password "closetcase" wasn't too hard to guess.
Posted by debug on June 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM · Report this
despicable me 34
The post was "Liked" on Facebook a couple dozen times before being taken down. Were those fake too?
Posted by despicable me on June 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM · Report this
long-time reader 35
OK, I'll bite: What was "Cindy" supposed to be instead?
Posted by long-time reader on June 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM · Report this
prompt 36
@26 You know, I think the same thing, but then the polling results come back and I realize that there are clearly some Christians out there that I don't know.
Posted by prompt on June 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM · Report this
MacCrocodile 37
@35 - My guess is "fundy", but it doesn't really matter now, does it?
Posted by MacCrocodile on June 27, 2012 at 12:52 PM · Report this
No Church, No Hell.
Posted by tfg415 on June 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM · Report this
balderdash 39
"The longer it is, the more convoluted the language, the more likely we are to just scroll to the bottom and click 'I Agree'; y'know, like iTunes' licensing agreement, or the Bible."
Posted by balderdash on June 27, 2012 at 1:26 PM · Report this
As someone who's read the Bible moderately extensively, I don't know what those other posters are trying to say about David. The Bible does mention those very things. It ALSO has a lot of great stuff about how people should be freakin' nice to each other. This Leviticus and stoning bit is like handing someone the complete works of Shakespeare and they only ever want to reenact the dog pee speech from Two Gentlemen of Verona.

I think that people should be polite period, but I wouldn't object to LGBT people or anyone else reserving their polite points for people who are polite to them.
Posted by DRF on June 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM · Report this
They finally took it down this afternoon - after all the "omgwegothackedwaaaaaaaaah!" hubbub, I guess they finally realized that nobody believed their crap.
Posted by serabelle on June 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM · Report this
There is hope. The biggest Cindy bigot's heart grew three sizes after he left his cave.
Posted by mubhappy on June 27, 2012 at 4:05 PM · Report this
venomlash 43
@15: You're thinking of an ouroboros.
Posted by venomlash on June 27, 2012 at 4:17 PM · Report this
I love how these Cindy bigots own up to their post by lying about having put it there it in the first place. Typical Christians of today.
When I was your age, the biggest asshole Christians were the sanctimonious born-agains who were drunks, or they had taken too many drugs and had to dig their way out by getting saved. They all had weird foreheads and scary eyes.
These days, they're worse and there's a lot more of them. They all say you have to believe. Be one of the believers... They're great believers, but they can't be bothered to read/understand and therefore BELIEVE basic information about science, evolution, the physical world, and human sexuality. If your car breaks down, you don't pray over it and expect it to heal, for fuck's sake. That just doesn't make any sense. Why would it work for anything else? And why bother, when there is something called "reality" that you can use to find a mechanic who hopefully won't charge you and arm and a leg...
Posted by issa on June 27, 2012 at 4:35 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 45
Dan, I understand why we have to be more polite, more honorable, more disciplined in our approach when we deal with the fuckwads. It's not because of Jesus, but because of power. They historically have had more money, more access to power than we do. This is common to any oppressed group. All the crap they pull, they project onto us. (and yes, I'm identifying myself as an oppressed group. I'm white, male, and I also have clues and want the best for everyone. those in power hate people like me, they always have, and they've always made me aware of it.) We're the bullies, we're the intolerant, we're the ones preventing society from being perfect, which they will continue to yell at us when they pepper spray us, beat us and imprison us. The sad fact is, we have to take it. We have to show them that they are the fuckwads by not responding in kind. To paraphrase Lennon, once you act like they do, they've got you. Because you're now playing their game.

Which doesn't mean you shouldn't call out GOProud as the idiot faggots that they are, or describe the Bible as bullshit, or whatever umbrage du jour they order up. It does mean that you have to act like you want to be treated: w/ decency, w/ respect, w/ politeness. When you do that, you expose them for the horrible shitbag hypocrites they are, worshiping a supposed god of love while all the time hating.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on June 27, 2012 at 5:00 PM · Report this
Geni 46
I love people who scream that Leviticus doesn't apply on a post that originated with, um, a quote from Leviticus.

I had a pastor (not a fundy fruitbat) once tell me that if everyone followed Leviticus, we'd basically all be standing around stoning one another. There'd be no one left standing.
Posted by Geni on June 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM · Report this
Another case of cowardly hiding hate behind religion. I don't get why deliberately misquoting bible passages out of context proves anything? Its just a broken record and a big shortcut for thinking. If you repeat something enough does it become a fact? The bible is not an owners manual, it should be understood in light of human experience not a vacuum. How do you reconcile the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" with this passage? Doesn't it present a dilemma? And that's the point.
Posted by ndattn on June 27, 2012 at 5:20 PM · Report this
I could easily believe that they planted an operative in a pro-equality group to "hack" them. Easily done. And it's not the sort of thing that works in reverse.
Posted by vennominon on June 27, 2012 at 7:15 PM · Report this
I remember reading somewhere that that verse was actually referring to certain pagan rituals for Baal or whatever. So basically it was saying, "Dudes, don't screw each other to give praise to Baal, because like, I'm not down with Baal. Rival god and stuff. So yeah, don't worship him."
Posted by GlassMoon on June 27, 2012 at 8:39 PM · Report this
Seriously, if you REALLY want to use biblical justifications to take away my rights, just let this one go and pick one of the other five verses that vaguely deal with gay acts. Unless I should be put to death. In which case, I may start considering any recitation of this verse I hear a direct threat on my life and call the police on you. Partly out of a desire to be a douche, mostly out of a desire for people to start thinking and cut this shit out.
Posted by geglash on June 29, 2012 at 10:03 AM · Report this
There are two really interesting parts to this. One, the poster who said "maybe tone it back a little," who may have been in support of the marriage ban, and someone accused him of being ashamed. Then you have the guy telling another responder to "read his Bible," when he was accurately quoting Leviticus laws.
Posted by MinnySota on June 29, 2012 at 11:37 AM · Report this
Oh, and it was hacked, but that picture has three "shares" on it. Which means the post lives on.
Posted by MinnySota on June 29, 2012 at 11:43 AM · Report this
mtnlion 53
Laughed for several minutes reading through all the "Cindy bigots" stuff.

I'm using that now. I hope I hear someone else around me use it colloquially as well.
Posted by mtnlion on June 30, 2012 at 8:39 PM · Report this

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