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Thursday, July 5, 2012

The Slippery Slope from Louise Bourgeois to Jerry Sandusky

Posted by on Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:34 AM

An email sent from an inflamed man in Issaquah. Enjoy! (Sic throughout.)


I am a Penn State graduate so forgive me if I am a little "sensitive" to child molesters and pedohiles these days. This has been a trying time for us all. So therefore I take great offense every time I take my family to the Park and have to see THIS damn monstrosity which is an open invitation to child molestation (just like the article says).

Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about!!! In all seriousness have you people no shame? HUH? I mean, you got your marriage, you got your "president" who says to hell with all tradition and values, nobody is bothering you, hell you're even in the **** ARMY now!!! Aren't you PROUD??? But there are LIMITS. Read the article. The "benefacotr" was "proudly gay" and wanted a statue with a naked GROWN man and a little boy, both of them showing their p*nis to denote some kind of "gay love" and "diversity". How young is enough, Dave? HUH? And don't give me any crap. YOU in the gay community are the ones who need to speak out. If you don't denounce this GARBAGE then you are endorsing it, and the overly gay tendencies of "The Stranger" (even the name is like an advertisement for "gay") show what side of things you are on. WRITE AN EDITORIAL SAYING EVEN WE HAVE SOME SHAME AND PEDO STATUES ARE TO MUCH! Or don't wonder when the local MORAL and CHRISTIAN values coalition take matters into our own hands. Your "rights" have come at a great cost. And enough children have suffered because you won't "out" gay-doms dirty little secret: half of all gays show interest in CHILDREN, and this is now when you're going to see people GET ANGRY. SINCERELY [Name redacted because this idiot asshole's relatives have clearly suffered enough.]

P.S. And what I MEANT to say was that when all values go out the window, then predators like Sandusky can feel innobled and think "well if it's ok for a could of "guys" to get married, why not me?" You need to think about what your "rights" have done t a larger population. You create a climate of perversion. "Without GOD all is permitted" remember??? You better believe I'm ticked off over this, buddy, and if you think you can just say "HATE SPEECH" and have me harass, then go for it buddy A MAN DIED ON THE CROSS 2000 YEARS AGO BECAUSE HE WAS NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK THE TRUTH!!! I WILL DO NO LESS NO MATTER WHAT IT COST!!!!


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The asshole doth protest too much.
Posted by DOUG. on July 5, 2012 at 10:43 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 2
I wish people could just keep their emotional immaturity to themselves.

Just because you can not separate art from porn, or see a nude body without thinking of illicit sex does not mean that the adults at the party can not.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on July 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM · Report this
The linked articles contain no image of the fountain. Here's a link for other non-Seattites who might be interested in seeing it.…
Posted by David from Chicago on July 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM · Report this
This is the crossover conflict between the dionysian carnival waterfront with its gimcracks and gewgaws attracting its share of know-nothing hicks, and the apollonian SAM/James Corner waterfront, with its high concept and its hoity and its toity. I adore that sculpture, and welcome the occasional WTF response from the booboisie.
Posted by gloomy gus on July 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM · Report this
bgk 5
Wait? How is a statue in the waterpark offensive?
Posted by bgk on July 5, 2012 at 10:49 AM · Report this
The emailer is an uninformed ass. Nothing more needs to be said about him.

That said, here's what I sort of don't get: Smailes, according to the article, only insisted upon the inclusion of a naked male. So why did the museum go ahead and commission a piece that has a naked boy in it? And FYI, I'm at work, and I'm not about to start searching for pics of the statue. So I'm reserving judgment as to whether it's in bad taste...but it does seem a bit odd on it's face to commission such a piece. While provoking conversation can be a good thing, gift wrapping a can of gasoline for homophobic assholes is a completely different tact.
Posted by dave1976 on July 5, 2012 at 10:52 AM · Report this
This fountain could be a distraction to Seattlites who need to be ready to run for cover during the next public spraying of bullets by gang holdouts who never received word that the wars are over.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on July 5, 2012 at 10:53 AM · Report this
Posted by Banna on July 5, 2012 at 10:58 AM · Report this
Everytime I pass by this statue, at least one of the figures is pretty much obscured by the fountain. Also, I see this fountain at least once a week for over a year, and all the sudden posts about it are in my facebook friend feed and the Stranger, which makes me feel like I'm caught in some sort of weird slow motion machine. Didn't this controversy sort of already happen? C'mon, folks, get with the picture!
Posted by Kumquat on July 5, 2012 at 10:59 AM · Report this
Posted by California on July 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM · Report this
very bad homo 12
It's somehow always about Jesus, isn't it?
Posted by very bad homo on July 5, 2012 at 11:05 AM · Report this
Sounds like the North American Minister/Boy Love Association revoked the guy's card and he's JUST NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Posted by Approaching 40 in LA on July 5, 2012 at 11:06 AM · Report this

I believe that was intentional; IIRC, the fountains are specifically programmed to always obscure one of the figures, while the other is visible - some sort of statement on the emotional distancing of fathers from their sons or what-not.
Posted by COMTE on July 5, 2012 at 11:06 AM · Report this
Yep, I remember, when Jesus saw the immorality of the world he wrote a poorly written letter with unnecessary capitalization to his Local Weekly Newspaper.

When are people going to realize that when you use caps to stress a point, you are literally putting a sign on your writing that says, i'm shitty at getting across my point so I don't know what else to do but make it as big and in your face as possible.

Posted by michael bell on July 5, 2012 at 11:08 AM · Report this
TheMisanthrope 16
LOL. Been done. Like 5 years ago. Personally, I think the first was better because it sounds less 'net trollish than this one.…
Posted by TheMisanthrope on July 5, 2012 at 11:15 AM · Report this
what a great day for the religious. The "God" particle tweets, the Louisiana charter school clusterfuck and now this screed. wow.
Posted by longball on July 5, 2012 at 11:16 AM · Report this
The LW is barely literate. The more important questions the letter brings up are: did he actually attend Penn State; and if so, what does that say about the failure of its basic education requirements?
Posted by pablissima on July 5, 2012 at 11:22 AM · Report this
Knat 19
TL;DR. Too many all-caps phrases, too many bolded phrases, and overuse of punctuation. It's like reading a sgt_doom post.
Posted by Knat on July 5, 2012 at 11:27 AM · Report this
Laurence Ballard 20
May this poor, prurient, fellow never cast his eyes upon the Fountain of Charity in Copenhagen.

Penis, nipples, squirting, oh my!
Posted by Laurence Ballard on July 5, 2012 at 11:27 AM · Report this
@7 The respected nonagenarian sculptor, Louise Bourgeois, rather than just have a naked male standing around, went for a riff on the classic "Mother and Child" with "Father and Son." It's a high-concept piece, and something of a Rorschach test for low-brows with dirty minds.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on July 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 22
Oh, well, if John Carlson says it's an homage to pedophilia, then who are we lesser-informed mortals to say otherwise? Right wing radio talk show hosts have all the knowledge Americans will ever need. Science has proved it & it's in the Bible as well.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on July 5, 2012 at 11:29 AM · Report this
Tracy 23
But I'm glad to see others also recognizing DAVE as the arbiter of all things gay and potentially pedophilic. Your loyal followers, Mr. Schmader, await your pronouncement regarding "How young is enough" We also kindly wish that you give us no crap. *waits patiently*
Posted by Tracy on July 5, 2012 at 11:32 AM · Report this
I have a husband. I have an 8 year old son. Occasionally they are the same vicinity while naked. I hope this Issaquah dude doesn't find out.
Posted by alexandria on July 5, 2012 at 11:32 AM · Report this
seatackled 25

I remember that. Loved that show back when it started out.
Posted by seatackled on July 5, 2012 at 11:35 AM · Report this
scary tyler moore 26
spam on aisle 6!!!
Posted by scary tyler moore on July 5, 2012 at 11:35 AM · Report this
Andy 27
I refuse to believe this person has graduated from college. Even Penn State.
Posted by Andy on July 5, 2012 at 11:36 AM · Report this
I lol'd at this:

"The Stranger" (even the name is like an advertisement for "gay")

Clearly we have a contender for the next Stranger masthead tagline.
Posted by I Got Nuthin' on July 5, 2012 at 11:37 AM · Report this
prompt 29
@14 Really? That's kinda cool. Sad but cool.
Posted by prompt on July 5, 2012 at 11:45 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 30
Among so many other things, this thought bubbles up to the top: People who identify that closely with their Alma Mater are usually morons. This letter confirms that.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on July 5, 2012 at 11:48 AM · Report this
Sir Vic 31
@16 I thought I remembered that letter, with the same trope of "I have to take my kids to that park!", as though the fuckwad from Kapowsin even knows where the Waterfront is. He just updated it with the gay marriage & Sandusky references.

David, was it Daniel Robert Creighton again?
Posted by Sir Vic on July 5, 2012 at 11:52 AM · Report this
unknown_entity 32…

I have to agree with people who say "this is kind of creepy."
Posted by unknown_entity on July 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM · Report this
David Schmader 33
Art is allowed to be creepy.
Posted by David Schmader on July 5, 2012 at 12:02 PM · Report this
seatackled 34
@14, @29

Actually, one of the two is often obscured, but I'm pretty sure I've seen both sculptures fully visible frequently. You just have to view it for a few minutes.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I seem to recall some point being made that SAM commissioned a sculpture with a man and a boy precisely because it was trying to avoid anything that was overtly sexual--that is, it's supposed to be more about nudity (as required by the grant) than about sexuality.

Anyway, it's people like the LW that helps us understand why the security guards there are necessary.
Posted by seatackled on July 5, 2012 at 12:08 PM · Report this
ArtBasketSara 35
He's right! P*nises!! In public! GAY AGENDA you win again...because of your demand for equal rights this poor fellow is all in a fluster. In this climate of PERVERSION all is permitted! How will he fight those deep and bothersome longings for COCK...sorry, P*NIS..

(P*nises are so GAY and it feels so naughty/sinful to even type the word! I'm glad I don't like them and thank goodness for the asterisk!)
Posted by ArtBasketSara on July 5, 2012 at 12:13 PM · Report this
Zebes 36
Nobody is ever naked unless they're going to start having sexy sex sex with all the other naked people around them. That's why Jesus was wearing bible-briefs when he was on the cross, otherwise things would have turned into some kind of crazy orgy. Dude would be handing out stigmata-jobs left and right.
Posted by Zebes on July 5, 2012 at 12:17 PM · Report this
balderdash 37
Posted by balderdash on July 5, 2012 at 12:20 PM · Report this
good to see that Penn State is graduating articulate and good writers. Gosh, imagine what his prose would be like had he not gone to college....
Posted by nador on July 5, 2012 at 12:32 PM · Report this
Daddy Love 39
And what about Miley Cyrus and her dad!?!?
Posted by Daddy Love on July 5, 2012 at 12:55 PM · Report this
Daddy Love 40
But can we put this guy on a cross already? He appears to be asking for it. After he pays his individual mandate tax, that is.
Posted by Daddy Love on July 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM · Report this
@32 @33 Art is allowed to be creepy, but how is this piece creepy? I've never seen anything here but dad and son, or evolution of boy to man. There's nothing creepy in their facial expressions or gestures. Granted I have never read Bourgeois' statement about the piece (is it supposed to be sexual?) but would anyone have argued that this piece was about pedophilia if some nice old straight family commissioned it? Any creepy factor comes from what the homophobes have projected and want you to feel.
Posted by mitten on July 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM · Report this
Canadian Nurse 42
@30: That makes me sad. I identify strongly with the school where I did my undergrad (not so much where I did my master's). They were at the forefront of a new way of teaching nursing and I really think I'm a different professional than I would have been if I went somewhere else.
Posted by Canadian Nurse on July 5, 2012 at 1:19 PM · Report this
Chelydra_serpentina 43
Did you gently remind the emailer that gay people have sex with age-appropriate, consenting members of the same sex, while pedophiles have sex with young children, often with no gender preference; that Jerry Sandusky is the latter and not the former; and even under the perviest, child-molestingest possible interpretation, the statue has nothing to do with gay people or gay marriage?

Or did you consider it a lost cause and go on with your day?
Posted by Chelydra_serpentina on July 5, 2012 at 1:49 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 44
Nurse dear, I think there's a difference between valuing the education you got there, or the experiences you had while attending, versuses just being a blind sort of booster club rah rah type. I probably should have made that clearer.

I went to the University of Iowa, and I loved it. I also loved Iowa City. But if a similar scandal were to break out there, I wouldn't feel the need to blindly defend it. And trying to tie that hypothetical UI scandal to a piece of public art in a city 2,500 miles away would be idiotic.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on July 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM · Report this
Poor Penn State. First the Sandusky thing and now this guy claiming to be one of their graduates. What the hell is going on at that school?

There but by the grace of hopefully-quite-a-bit goes my alma mater.
Posted by stating the obvious on July 5, 2012 at 1:55 PM · Report this
Fenrox 46
Hey now! I think this guy is going to crucify himself. Don't do it dude! It gets better for bigots! WAY BETTER!
Posted by Fenrox on July 5, 2012 at 2:05 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 47
i remember an essay where a dad wrote about taking his young (3-4 year old) son on a walk in the woods. when he got back to his car, the cops were waiting. someone had reported him as a possible child molestor.

dads have sons. both have bodies. those bodies have penises. stop projecting your neuroses, christians.
Posted by Max Solomon on July 5, 2012 at 2:53 PM · Report this
I turned all the capped words into a nice poem. I did take liberty in fixing a grammatical error or two.

This, Huh?
Army, Proud limits grown
Huh? You.
Write and editorial,
Saying even we have some shame,
And pedo statues are too much!
Christian Children, Get angry sincerely!
I meant, God hate speech,
A man died on the cross,
Years ago, because he was not afraid to speak the truth.
I will do no less no matter what the cost!
Posted by michael bell on July 5, 2012 at 3:48 PM · Report this
femwanderluster 49
Wow, this guy should never go to the Vigeland Sculpture Park in Oslo, Norway. Which is a shame, really, cuz that park is effing amazing and I loved every bit of it when I was lucky enough to be there:…
Posted by femwanderluster on July 5, 2012 at 3:58 PM · Report this
Canadian Nurse 51
@44: Oh well if that's all you mean, Catalina, my connection with my Alma Mater is pretty much the opposite of this. They have standards to uphold, and receive politely disappointed letters whenever they even partner with shady research firms. A child molestation scandal would receive no defense from me.
Posted by Canadian Nurse on July 5, 2012 at 6:01 PM · Report this
Canadian Nurse 52
@48: Michael, that's beautiful
Posted by Canadian Nurse on July 5, 2012 at 6:04 PM · Report this
Lissa 53
@37: Oh balderdash, how I love thee.
Posted by Lissa on July 5, 2012 at 8:21 PM · Report this
Rhett Oracle 54
A committee member comments on this - shall we say - overexposed (and misunderstood) decision:

As a member of the fountain committee that chose Ms. Bourgeois’ entry titled “Father and Son,” I feel compelled to speak out on the subject. First of all, note that the father is reaching down for his son and the son is reaching upward toward his father. They are a good distance apart, and they are always supposed to be shown with one covered with water rising up over him. Only at the hour, which is struck on a nearby bell, does the water reverse and for a very short period of time one can see each reaching out toward the other. That was the artist’s intention: to demonstrate the difficulties faced by fathers and sons in connecting. It was a lifelong theme in her work. Sometimes the water has to be turned off in especially windy weather or for repairs and thus one may see both figures clearly, but it was the artist’s intention that they both not be revealed except at the hourly exchange.

Stu, the benefactor, only requested that a fountain be created using a lifelike form of a man; he made no mention of a child. I happen to believe he required an anatomically correct male to tweak the powers that be in Seattle because there was once a statue near the Opera House that had an anatomically correct male and it got so many complaints that the City fathers had it removed and Stu was deeply distressed at this provincialism; at least that’s how I recall hearing it. In my opinion, Stu would have probably preferred another of the offered options: one had a statue of a man who was to stand out in the bay and ejaculate water through his penis in regular spurts. The Seattle Museum person in charge was not amused by this entry and swore she would never use that artist again. Those of us on the committee thought it was outrageous but quite funny and we knew Stu would have loved the idea! Just as he would love the reaction of this poor, misdirected soul who chooses to see something that was never present. We are very lucky to have the only Louise Bourgeois sculpture piece on the West Coast and one of only two fountains she every designed. There is a plaque near the fountain; it would serve all who are curious to go over and read what it says so they don’t misinterpret a great artist’s work and belittle it with what they make up.
Posted by Rhett Oracle on July 5, 2012 at 9:35 PM · Report this
Fred Casely 55
He seems angry.
Posted by Fred Casely on July 5, 2012 at 11:13 PM · Report this
Does the LW realize that Sandusky is hetero (or at the very least married to a woman) at the time he raped little boys. Sandusky's crimes have nothing to do with homosexuality or marriage equality?

And why is the word president in quotes?

The dude needs to take his meds and learn how to spell.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on July 6, 2012 at 4:13 AM · Report this
@49: Oh holy crap! Now I have to put going there on my bucket list, that looks awesome!

But yeah, here in Scandinavia we have a very different attitude towards nudity than other western nations, several holidays and traditions over here involve extended families getting together to sauna (naked) and go skinny-dipping, so a parent and child is probably what most people here would think when seeing a statue of a child and adult naked, because being naked with your children is very common.
Posted by Friendstastegood on July 6, 2012 at 4:17 AM · Report this
@48- Very Creative, and just as concise as the original letter.

Personally I think the sculpture is a little boring. Was a little color to much to ask?
Posted by DanFan503 on July 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM · Report this
LogopolisMike 59
@58 -- A little color? You Obama lovers would like that, wouldn't you?
Posted by LogopolisMike on July 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM · Report this
Wait, so any time a man and a boy are naked around each other and water, it's pedophilia? Someone notify the public pools and schools with changing rooms!!!
Posted by MemeGene on July 7, 2012 at 6:28 AM · Report this
Also: Man + Boy + Water - Clothes = NAMBLA.
Posted by MemeGene on July 7, 2012 at 6:32 AM · Report this
mtnlion 62
When you use ALL CAPS more than once, I stop reading. It's very simple.

As for the statue? I really don't give a fuck; this type of thing is not the cause, advocation, or perpetuation of any real abuse that happens in the real world.

Nobody's going to look at it and say "oh hey I never thought about raping kids, I think I should get on that."
Posted by mtnlion on July 7, 2012 at 8:47 AM · Report this
Penn State stats class: "half of all gays show interest in CHILDREN."
Posted by PMer on July 7, 2012 at 10:10 AM · Report this
Tracy 64
@48 *Cue Bette Midler singing the line "did you ever know that you're my hero..."
Posted by Tracy on July 24, 2012 at 4:25 PM · Report this

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