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Sunday, July 15, 2012

Slog Bible Study: Isaiah 45:7

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Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


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dlauri 1
Makes sense. Even if God was off someplace else while God's minions were doing the grunt work, God's responsible if God's omnipotent and all that (or if God was the sole shareholder and still listed on the SEC filings as CEO).
Posted by dlauri http://www.davidlauri.com on July 15, 2012 at 7:41 AM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 2
Like a giant, immature toddler.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on July 15, 2012 at 7:41 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 3
Yeah, right. But he/she/it can't make a decent bagel.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on July 15, 2012 at 7:51 AM · Report this
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@dlauri FTW
Posted by Transient Gadfly on July 15, 2012 at 7:54 AM · Report this
5
So, context...

This whole chapter, as well as a couple chapters on either side, is all about the author touting how freaking awesome his God is while claiming that Cyrus has been blessed/chosen by this same God.

The section you chose, Is. 45 is in the second half of the book, which many biblical scholars argue was written 40-100 years after the first 39 chapters. The second section (deutero-Isaiah) was likely written after the Jews had been captive in Babylon for a generation or two.

Word came that Cyrus was going to send the exiles home, and many Jews at the time began seeing Cyrus in the prophecies of a Messiah from the first part of Isaiah. The author of Duetero-Isaiah seems to be trying to both claim Cyrus as a major leader/Mesaiah/Whatever and puff up Jehovah so that Cyrus takes notice of him too. The chapters start with "The Lord said to Cyrus his anointed..."

Chap 44 and 45 are all lists of God's power, ability, potence, etc.

This statement is basically a bit of PR trying to take the other god's main guy away.
Posted by Queerly Yours on July 15, 2012 at 8:27 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 6
This was where my faith failed. I think most people falter at the hypocrisy of the religious, but there wasn't any at my church (that I could perceive - I'm sure it was really as rife with it as any other).

I could never square this with the idea that we were deserving of an eternity in Hell for something that was, at the end of the day, God's fault. What the hell is that.
Posted by Matt from Denver on July 15, 2012 at 8:28 AM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 8
I just LOVE Sunday morning Bible study. Can we all hold hands now? JUST and only my hand you pervs....
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on July 15, 2012 at 8:53 AM · Report this
Estey 9
Queerly Yours, you are a totally awesome person and a lot of people (including myself) really appreciate your edification here. Thanks for participating with posts based in study, critical thinking, and compassionate discernment. Your presence is very much respected and appreciated. Please keep contributing; you've taught me so much and made me think a lot more about scripture and its history.
Posted by Estey on July 15, 2012 at 9:21 AM · Report this
10
I imagine God saying this in his best Tom Hanks from Castaway voice.
Posted by giffy on July 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM · Report this
11
God has potential for middle management.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on July 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM · Report this
12
I read on Christian websites that this passage is translated differently in different Bibles, and that it actually refers to "calamity or disaster", namely natural disasters and stuff like that. So I guess the apologetics are saying that God didn't create moral evil; he just does morally evil things, like send earthquakes to Haiti.
Posted by AndyM on July 15, 2012 at 9:42 AM · Report this
Note To Self 13
@12, sounds like their translation argument is that the LORD character is not that kind of asshole, he's this other kind of asshole.
Posted by Note To Self on July 15, 2012 at 10:07 AM · Report this
MacCrocodile 15
To get the real meaning, you need to read the MacCrocodilian Vulgate:

"I, the Lord, thy God, can beat up your dad, and I can run faster than a cheetah, for real, I just don't want to right now because it would make you be all 'Woah!' and your face would explode, and I can lift a bajillion-pounds rock and throw it into the sun."
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on July 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM · Report this
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Either it's a dualistic cosmology, with the opposing forces of good and evil more or less evenly matched (meaning God and the Adversary are of roughly equal power) or it isn't, in which case God is the architect of bad things as well as good things. This passage seems to indicate that the latter view sometimes prevailed. Consistent with the Book of Job, where the Adversary is depicted as operating with God's approval.
Posted by Proteus on July 15, 2012 at 1:31 PM · Report this
blackhook 17
God creates evil because it's good for the God business.
Posted by blackhook on July 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM · Report this
vooodooo84 18
@14 The LORD created spam
Posted by vooodooo84 on July 15, 2012 at 3:22 PM · Report this
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The LORD works in mysterious ways, and He's not going to spoil It by disclosing His tax returns either.
Posted by RonK, Seattle on July 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 20
That's why he gives babies in Africa AIDS then.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on July 15, 2012 at 5:06 PM · Report this
Goldy 22
@7 Oh. The translation thing. I'm quoting the King Fucking James Bible this week. That may or may not be an accurate translation, but it's the one that informs much of English speaking Christianity.
Posted by Goldy on July 15, 2012 at 7:35 PM · Report this

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