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2012 GOP: A Woman's Body Has Way to Prevent Pregnancy from a "Legitimate Rape"
Posted by Charles Mudede on Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM
This is so not a joke. The Republican nominee for Senate in Missouri, Todd Akin, actually, really said this. This is something he believes to be true. This is a man running for one of the highest political offices in the land. It boggles the mind...
"First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare... If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”Worst of all, some polls show Akin holding a significant lead over Sen. Claire McCaskill. Do women still live in that state?Akin said that even in the worst-case scenario — when the supposed natural protections against unwanted pregnancy fail — abortion should still not be a legal option for the rape victim.
“Let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work, or something,” Akin said. “I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.”
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For folks who would like to enquire -- politely, of course; why give them "hate" ammo? -- about his science behind "legitimate rape", Akin's numbers are 202-225-2561 and 314-590-0029.
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What part of 'Flyover Country' don't you understand? The problem is not whack-job political candidates, it's that the majority of those fried-butter-eating yokels actually elect them.
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This is turning into a GOP talking point -- these magic chemicals that are secreted when you are raped. Doctors think this is dangerous and stupid. People with functioning brains think Republicans are dangerous and stupid.
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And I'm guessing that his definition of illegitimate rape would be a woman who dressed too provocatively and was really asking for it.
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That a guy has his head buried so deeply up his own ass that he would utter such complete nonsense doesn't surprise me all that much.
That a guy who utters such bullshit might get elected to higher office by a majority of the public makes me weep for humanity.
PS: Wonkette, as expected, is on this. The post and comments are hilarious. Sometimes the snark on Wonkette is the only way I can deal with crap like this without going mad.
That a guy who utters such bullshit might get elected to higher office by a majority of the public makes me weep for humanity.
PS: Wonkette, as expected, is on this. The post and comments are hilarious. Sometimes the snark on Wonkette is the only way I can deal with crap like this without going mad.
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when you're against abortion, you can't admit there's any scenario is which it is acceptable. and when you approach it from the idea that the fetus = fully formed human being, then no, a child produced by a rape, being innocent of that crime, does not deserve death. now you have to figure a way to legislate your beliefs without going straight at roe v wade. hence the 'death by a 1000 cuts' restrictions we're seeing in every GOP-controlled state, hence these gymnastics over "legitimate" rape.
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Wasn't there recently a discussion on SLOG about how some of the poor whites in middle America vote against their economic self-interest? One side held the position that it was because they were under-educated.
The other side held that it was because they had different priorities.
I think that this statement by that politician from Missouri supports the "under-educated" claim.
Amazingly enough, that politician also voted against spending more money on education in Missouri.
The other side held that it was because they had different priorities.
I think that this statement by that politician from Missouri supports the "under-educated" claim.
Amazingly enough, that politician also voted against spending more money on education in Missouri.
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what @ 4 said. Maybe Americans adults who have a high school education need to start an outreach program for American adults who appear not to.
As long as all Americans share the same government, ignorance in the yokel states needs to be taken on.
Apparently the internet isn't reaching them.
As long as all Americans share the same government, ignorance in the yokel states needs to be taken on.
Apparently the internet isn't reaching them.
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A woman's right to an abortion is based on the right to Privacy. In essence, the Government or other persons cannot "enslave" her or coerce here into doing something against her will like carrying a pregnancy to term.
Yet, I posit -- what about doing harm to the baby. For example, would the mother drinking 100 martinis a day be something that a society should support? Or say, maliciously walking past an X-ray machine. Is that even legal...to knowingly try and harm a baby inside her?
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Seriously? WTF? "legitimate rape"?
Because my rapist used drugs, is that more on the legitimate side than say openly attacking and physically subduing a woman on the street? I guess I'm the stupid one, because to me, rape is rape. The only magical chemicals I encountered were the ones somehow slipped in my soda. Fuck the GOP and anyone who supports them.
Because my rapist used drugs, is that more on the legitimate side than say openly attacking and physically subduing a woman on the street? I guess I'm the stupid one, because to me, rape is rape. The only magical chemicals I encountered were the ones somehow slipped in my soda. Fuck the GOP and anyone who supports them.
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Was his doctor Newt Gingrich, who said that women shouldn't serve in foxholes because they are prone to "infections"?
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Fuck Akins up the ass with a broken bottle. If he bleeds, it's not legitimate rape, because if it were, his body wouldn't let him bleed. Same logic. Let's try it out and see if it works.
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Don't forget he's on the House Science Committee.
As for the polls, those were taken before this nonsense, so we'll see if they change any now.
As for the polls, those were taken before this nonsense, so we'll see if they change any now.
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@12: I think the problem is, the internet DOES reach them. Internet != factual information. The tin-foil hat brigade LOVES the internet.
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#5
Can't some women squeeze out the cum from their cootch after the dude blows his load?
I think that's what he's saying.
Can't some women squeeze out the cum from their cootch after the dude blows his load?
I think that's what he's saying.
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@20
Stupid teenagers think withdrawal is a good method of birth control, too. Or more accurately, poorly informed teenagers think that; adults who do would be the stupid ones.
Stupid teenagers think withdrawal is a good method of birth control, too. Or more accurately, poorly informed teenagers think that; adults who do would be the stupid ones.
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According to this study, rape is more likely than consensual sex to result in pregnancy.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/wp5c…
Not that this crowd has any interest in facts.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/wp5c…
Not that this crowd has any interest in facts.
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wait. what? is this guy saying that the only women who get pregnant from rape really actually "wanted" to be raped (ie, it was not "legitimate" rape if they get pregnant)?
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How about voting in some funding to help rape victims raise their unwanted children?
Nope?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Nope?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
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@13 "...to knowingly try and harm..."
What are you, 12?
Anyway, babies are a thing that has been born. You can't harm one when it doesn't exist. I didn't buy a dozen chickens at Safeway last night.
What are you, 12?
Anyway, babies are a thing that has been born. You can't harm one when it doesn't exist. I didn't buy a dozen chickens at Safeway last night.
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@20 The little fellers can swim, you know. There's like 100 million of them and it only takes one. Did they let you take biology in high school, or were you in the earth science class?
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@24,
At the risk of sounding as if I'm defending the nimrod, I think he was willing to acknowledge that at least some of the "legitimate" rapes would result in pregnancy, but that it was the exception rather than the norm.
@27,
Great analogy. A dozen chickens, indeed.
There's no fucking way this doesn't cost him the election.
At the risk of sounding as if I'm defending the nimrod, I think he was willing to acknowledge that at least some of the "legitimate" rapes would result in pregnancy, but that it was the exception rather than the norm.
@27,
Great analogy. A dozen chickens, indeed.
There's no fucking way this doesn't cost him the election.
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@20, etc. There is absolutely no defense to the candidate's statement. It's actually quite pathetic that you're trying. That statement of yours shows the incredible depth of your ignorance. You have the entire internet to educate you, yet you refuse to do so.
What I wonder is why the relatively intelligent conservatives have no shame in continuing to support their party. I'm a life-long liberal, and I certainly question my politics when I see so-called liberals act like idiots. I'm glad when the corrupt ones are prosecuted. Not so for the conservatives. No depravity is too low for them to continue to support their members. The idiotic statements coming from conservatives seem to happen on a weekly basis. I don't understand how any rational, intelligent person can continue to feel that the Republicans are of any value to anyone.
What I wonder is why the relatively intelligent conservatives have no shame in continuing to support their party. I'm a life-long liberal, and I certainly question my politics when I see so-called liberals act like idiots. I'm glad when the corrupt ones are prosecuted. Not so for the conservatives. No depravity is too low for them to continue to support their members. The idiotic statements coming from conservatives seem to happen on a weekly basis. I don't understand how any rational, intelligent person can continue to feel that the Republicans are of any value to anyone.
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I remember when, in 1995, Congressman Henry Aldridge (guess what party), said to the House Appropriations Committee, "The facts show that people who are raped - who are truly raped - the juices don't flow, the body functions don't work and they don't get pregnant." Then, a little later, he got this one in too: "To get pregnant, it takes a little cooperation. And there ain't much cooperation in a rape."
At least, I remember the occasion, and the gag-inducing word used. I did not remember the name, what office he held, and the circumstances under which he said it. Finding that information easy though; I just had to type into Google the words pregnant, rape, and juices. (And now I'm going to delete my search history so I need never see those words together again.)
And I discovered one from 1988 too. Courtesy of the Daily News:
This seems to be some sort of pro-lifer urban legend that just won't die.
At least, I remember the occasion, and the gag-inducing word used. I did not remember the name, what office he held, and the circumstances under which he said it. Finding that information easy though; I just had to type into Google the words pregnant, rape, and juices. (And now I'm going to delete my search history so I need never see those words together again.)
And I discovered one from 1988 too. Courtesy of the Daily News:
HARRISBURG — The odds that a woman who is raped will get pregnant are "one in millions and millions and millions," said state Rep. Stephen Freind, R-Delaware County, the Legislature's leading abortion foe.
The reason, Freind said, is that the traumatic experience of rape causes a woman to "secrete a certain secretion" that tends to kill sperm.
Two Philadelphia doctors specializing in human reproduction characterized Freind's contention as scientifically baseless.
Freind made the statement on a central Pennsylvania radio interview program earlier this month.
This seems to be some sort of pro-lifer urban legend that just won't die.
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@12:
I'll go you one better. Henceforth, any GOP candidate elected to statewide office or higher is required to pass tests equivalent to an 8th grade level in the subjects of math, biology, U.S. and world history, social studies and science. Any GOP official unable to pass thses subjects will automatically be barred from serving in the office to which they were elected.
I'll go you one better. Henceforth, any GOP candidate elected to statewide office or higher is required to pass tests equivalent to an 8th grade level in the subjects of math, biology, U.S. and world history, social studies and science. Any GOP official unable to pass thses subjects will automatically be barred from serving in the office to which they were elected.
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@32 "This seems to be some sort of pro-lifer urban legend that just won't die"
It seems even worse than that. It must flow from a mindset of malignant misogyny and utter ignorance.
It seems even worse than that. It must flow from a mindset of malignant misogyny and utter ignorance.
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@31:
The Republican or Democratic parties don't inherently offer anyone any value. It's the other way around. The people offer value to the party; either people are involved with their political parties or they are not. Given that, the rhetoric and actions of bad politicians don't negate actions of positive things good politicians and other contributors do for their respective parties.
I don't understand how any rational, intelligent person can continue to feel that the Republicans are of any value to anyone.
The Republican or Democratic parties don't inherently offer anyone any value. It's the other way around. The people offer value to the party; either people are involved with their political parties or they are not. Given that, the rhetoric and actions of bad politicians don't negate actions of positive things good politicians and other contributors do for their respective parties.
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There are no unintended pregnancies. Jesus makes each and every baby on purpose. If Jesus decides to use rape to make one of His uterine vessels productive, well, who are we to question? He's just following Dad's example, right?
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I think that I remember that from a movie that they showed us in health class in high school. If I remember correctly the little cartoon sperm, after fighting his way through all the millions of weaker sperm finally approaches the egg. He doffs his hat and introduces himself. At that point the egg asks him if he is a legitimate sperm, coming from a loving and legally married man, or a criminal rapist sperm. She tells him that if he is rapist sperm he may as well just turn around and leave, because she just isn't that kind of girl.
But then, maybe I remembered the movie wrong. It's been a long time and I didn't really figure that the whole baby making business was something I needed to know anyway, being that I'm queer and all.
But then, maybe I remembered the movie wrong. It's been a long time and I didn't really figure that the whole baby making business was something I needed to know anyway, being that I'm queer and all.
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@4, @12: Damning everyone in "flyover country" throws away the lives of millions of women in a large part of the country, and gives a huge advantage to the conservatives in elections. The condescension you exhibit is a big part of why Democrats have lost the rural vote, and the Senate, to the Republicans.
The far right has figured out that they can use evangelical churches to mobilize large numbers of voters in primary elections, and have taken over the Republican Party, knowing full well that when people get frustrated with the economy and "throw the bums out" in the general election, that those far-righters get control of government in our two-party oligarchy. Paul Ryan is counting on that.
The Dems could easily take states like Missouri (which has a greater metropolitan population than does Washington State, after all), if they actually talked to people about issues of interest to rural areas like FDR did, e.g. "rural internetrification," or power lines to allow more wind generators to lease land on farms; as well as mobilizing voters in St. Louis and Kansas City.
And yeah....Akin is a tool. I'm curious as to how the female immune system recognizes "legitimate rape" molecules on sperm.
The far right has figured out that they can use evangelical churches to mobilize large numbers of voters in primary elections, and have taken over the Republican Party, knowing full well that when people get frustrated with the economy and "throw the bums out" in the general election, that those far-righters get control of government in our two-party oligarchy. Paul Ryan is counting on that.
The Dems could easily take states like Missouri (which has a greater metropolitan population than does Washington State, after all), if they actually talked to people about issues of interest to rural areas like FDR did, e.g. "rural internetrification," or power lines to allow more wind generators to lease land on farms; as well as mobilizing voters in St. Louis and Kansas City.
And yeah....Akin is a tool. I'm curious as to how the female immune system recognizes "legitimate rape" molecules on sperm.
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And @35: If the party offers no value, why do you continue to support it? There are certainly corrupt politicians in both parties, but only the Republican party today offers a plurality if not majority of politicians who outright deny basic scientific facts - evolution, global warming, "trickle-down economics" that even its inventor (David Stockman) says doesn't work, efficacy of comprehensive sex ed and modern contraceptive techniques, the fruitlessness of outlawing pot, and on and on. The party has gone from being the conclave of Eisenhower (the most pro-science president since Jefferson) to being an intellectual joke. What positive things does it offer that you think people should support?
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@33; Should be both parties tested (Repubs not always the special party...I'm old enough to remember that) but then there'd be a call to make the testing fair when a higher percentage of one party failed the test more and they'd add questions on young earth and whether Dinosaurs were wiped out by the flood..... nice thought but It might make things worse.
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@35
"Given that, the rhetoric and actions of bad politicians don't negate actions of positive things good politicians and other contributors do for their respective parties."
And yet, just the other day, you were claiming that people like Akin were not "under-educated". You claimed that they just had different priorities.
As did the people who voted for them.
I'm going to say that you are wrong.
They're voting based upon their ignorance (chosen ignorance in many cases) that they use to justify their beliefs.
Like you, there is no way to have a rational discussion with them until they learn enough to join in.
Just as you defend racists and bigots because that is the kind of life you have.
"Given that, the rhetoric and actions of bad politicians don't negate actions of positive things good politicians and other contributors do for their respective parties."
And yet, just the other day, you were claiming that people like Akin were not "under-educated". You claimed that they just had different priorities.
As did the people who voted for them.
I'm going to say that you are wrong.
They're voting based upon their ignorance (chosen ignorance in many cases) that they use to justify their beliefs.
Like you, there is no way to have a rational discussion with them until they learn enough to join in.
Just as you defend racists and bigots because that is the kind of life you have.
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@13, They need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys. becuse these babby cant frigth back?
Seriously, man, edit yourself.
Seriously, man, edit yourself.
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@24 yes. He and others who say such things cause raped women to believe that if they get pregnant, then they were not legitimately raped. We must have somehow wanted it, or enjoyed it, or something.
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@43: The other day we were talking about poor whites and most of us had never even heard of Akin -- so how you construe my saying 'people like Akin' is incredibly byzantine in its contortion.
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And the best thing we can do is not to fulminate long chat threads of righteous indignation, as good as that might make us feel.
The best thing we can do is go donate some cash to the campaign of his opponent, Claire McCaskill, and send Akin home on November 6 with a box of Rice-A-Roni.
#ThanksForPlaying
The best thing we can do is go donate some cash to the campaign of his opponent, Claire McCaskill, and send Akin home on November 6 with a box of Rice-A-Roni.
#ThanksForPlaying
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Fred Clark over at Balloon Juice has a pretty good piece on how there is nothing more immoral than a moralist Republican:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist…
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist…
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Them there Bible Belters need to be reminded that God frequently was smitin' them there chilluns in the Old Testament, and what was good enough for Yahweh oughta be good enough for dem dere Missourah (or is it Misery, I forget) GOP, amirite?
In all seriousness, Claire McCaskill HOPED Akin would win the Missouri GOP Senate Primary, and he's helping her out (or is that in, as in into the Senate) with his ignorance.
In all seriousness, Claire McCaskill HOPED Akin would win the Missouri GOP Senate Primary, and he's helping her out (or is that in, as in into the Senate) with his ignorance.
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Given Republicans penchant of trying to ban hormonal birth control of late, legitimate rape could be the new form of legitimate birth control.
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@32: ugh, damn you for reminding me of Stephen Friend's existence. A bigger waste of protoplasm has not been seen before or since in the Pennsylvania legislature, and that as you might well imagine is saying something.
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The Wonkette article says there are 32,000 rapes that result in pregnancy every year. If there is a 1 in a million chance of this happening, as the quote in @32 suggests, that means there are 32 billion rapes a year in the US. Since there are about 150 million women in the US, that means there are 213 rapes per woman per year. So, each American woman is raped an average of just over 4 times a week. Yikes! In other news, that man is a dangerous moron.
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@46
"The other day we were talking about poor whites and most of us had never even heard of Akin ..."
Take a look at the average income of the people in Akin's district.
Yep, they seem to be "poor whites".
So either the statements you made about "poor whites" back then apply to the people in Akin's district ... or you're an idiot.
Meanwhile, the statements that you opposed DO seem to apply to the people in Akin's district. They have voted based upon their lack of education which resulted in them voting against their economic self-interest.
"The other day we were talking about poor whites and most of us had never even heard of Akin ..."
Take a look at the average income of the people in Akin's district.
Yep, they seem to be "poor whites".
So either the statements you made about "poor whites" back then apply to the people in Akin's district ... or you're an idiot.
Meanwhile, the statements that you opposed DO seem to apply to the people in Akin's district. They have voted based upon their lack of education which resulted in them voting against their economic self-interest.
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Is someone going to tell Chuckie female genital mutilation isn't cool either, or does he get a pass under "cultural relativism"?
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#55 is, as usual, a stone moron who can't be bothered to find the first google hit for "Mudede female circumcision".
I'm no huge fan of Charles, but I'm pretty sure that if the Stranger, en masse, had a collective worst nightmare, it'd be someone a hell of a lot more competent at trolling than you. Go back to 4chan, spend a few years getting smacked around by the feral autistic 14-year-olds there, then come back when you've got some game.
I'm no huge fan of Charles, but I'm pretty sure that if the Stranger, en masse, had a collective worst nightmare, it'd be someone a hell of a lot more competent at trolling than you. Go back to 4chan, spend a few years getting smacked around by the feral autistic 14-year-olds there, then come back when you've got some game.
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@53: fairly.unbalanced:
I hereby agree with everything you're saying, everything you have said, and everything you will ever say.
I hereby agree with everything you're saying, everything you have said, and everything you will ever say.
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duh... it's called prayer. If prayer doesn't make her not pregnant after the "legitimate rape" then the little baby Jesus was meant to be, like a mischevious badger.
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@57 - Finally. Does that mean you've decided to stop posting, as doing so would be redundant? I only ask because fairly.unbalanced told me you should.
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Nobody thought you were joking ever, Will, as you've not once said anything even the slightest bit funny.
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I'm confused... what he said is true. Its the same stuff that helps a woman with multiple partners get pregnant from the man of her choice. FYI many animals have this.
Key word is "helps" because its not guaranteed. Which is the problem with what he said. Theres no reasonable way to test or prove it... plus it implies that in all rapes a woman's main concern would be not getting pregnant, which is stupid and simplistic.
From an enforceable policy standpoint its retarded. But scientifically speaking, its a fact of life.
Key word is "helps" because its not guaranteed. Which is the problem with what he said. Theres no reasonable way to test or prove it... plus it implies that in all rapes a woman's main concern would be not getting pregnant, which is stupid and simplistic.
From an enforceable policy standpoint its retarded. But scientifically speaking, its a fact of life.
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I agree with your last question, Charles. What woman would vote for such a sexist idiot? Oh wait, I guess a T'Bagger woman would be okay with his logic. After all, only sluts actually get pregnant after being raped -- after all, sluts cannot be "legitimately raped".
All those Southern slaves impregnated by their masters were sluts I guess.
All those Southern slaves impregnated by their masters were sluts I guess.
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There's a whole lot of evil intent packed in Teh Crazy here. I'll take a whack at it:
1. Pregnancy is a woman's fault. Men are not responsible.
2. If a woman gets pregnant, it wasn't rape. This reminds me of the water test for witches; if she sank, she was innocent. But dead.
3. There is no legitimate justification for a "rape or incest" exception in abortion law--because clearly no pregnancy would ever result from such activity.
4. The only women requesting abortions are Slutty McSlutterson "Give it to me like a stallion, big boy!" types who should be punished for doing it and liking it.
The GOP War on Science and Evolution has payoffs everywhere, we're discovering. When you can make up your biology, anything is possible.
1. Pregnancy is a woman's fault. Men are not responsible.
2. If a woman gets pregnant, it wasn't rape. This reminds me of the water test for witches; if she sank, she was innocent. But dead.
3. There is no legitimate justification for a "rape or incest" exception in abortion law--because clearly no pregnancy would ever result from such activity.
4. The only women requesting abortions are Slutty McSlutterson "Give it to me like a stallion, big boy!" types who should be punished for doing it and liking it.
The GOP War on Science and Evolution has payoffs everywhere, we're discovering. When you can make up your biology, anything is possible.
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@40: i believe the dems lost the rural vote when they supported the civil rights act. LBJ lost it. urban voters have always looked down on the rural.
"the republicans are for the rich man, the democrats are for the niggers. who's for me?" the only thing about rural whites that's changed is wedge issues.
"the republicans are for the rich man, the democrats are for the niggers. who's for me?" the only thing about rural whites that's changed is wedge issues.
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Guess I wasn't legitimately raped all those years ago because the bastard used a condom. But maybe I was because I didn't get pregnant? Clarification here, please.
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How much do you want to bet that this asshole was either home schooled or else subjected to abstinence only "sex education".
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@39 oh ya! I remember. All true...or at least the part about sperms wearing hats. Though the type of hat varies upon region and ethnicity.
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Sperms are also like the classic vampire....they have to be invited in before they can enter your home (egg).
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@57
Did I hurt the feelings of a troll?
You can argue all you want about generalizations.
But you are wrong.
Akin and his supporters are a great example of being "under-educated".
Did I hurt the feelings of a troll?
You can argue all you want about generalizations.
But you are wrong.
Akin and his supporters are a great example of being "under-educated".
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@62, There are some insects and sea creatures that can store sperm and impregnate from the one of their choice but I'm unaware of any mammals that can do it. Humans certainly do not have this ability.
Here's a good rule of thumb. If "Theres no reasonable way to test or prove it" then it's probably not true so you shouldn't go spreading that bullshit.
Here's a good rule of thumb. If "Theres no reasonable way to test or prove it" then it's probably not true so you shouldn't go spreading that bullshit.
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@62: Are you insane? Women with multiple partners can't choose who they get pregnant with. Unless you mean that they can choose timing and use/non-use of birth control.
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What 62 means is that since troglodytes like itself can selectively reproduce that we supposedly "higher mammals" should have the same abilities. It is jealousy delivered with disingenuous aplomb.
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hey hold on people. @62 is right. there is a large, fascinating and well-supported literature on "post-copulatory female mate choice", "cryptic female choice" or just plain old "post-copulatory sexual selection." There are many species of animals of many taxa in which females can influence which sperm from which male are more likely to reach her egg(s). or species in which females can simply decline to allow any sperm to reach egg. the female reproductive tract and female body is capable of some really unbelievable shit. there are also studies of pregnant mammals which show that stress causes abortions (primates).
HOWEVER, just because this crap that Akin is spewing has some biological plausibility (and it may not, not in humans), it does NOT mean that it should dictate human behavior or be applied to humans.
after all, human females have a very powerful post-copulatory mate choice option. it is called ABORTION.
but stop piling on 62 for having the guts to point out truth? just because someone has described this phenomenon in other animals species doesn't mean that it has to be applied to humans.
and read up on those terms. it's really amazing what those animals can do.
HOWEVER, just because this crap that Akin is spewing has some biological plausibility (and it may not, not in humans), it does NOT mean that it should dictate human behavior or be applied to humans.
after all, human females have a very powerful post-copulatory mate choice option. it is called ABORTION.
but stop piling on 62 for having the guts to point out truth? just because someone has described this phenomenon in other animals species doesn't mean that it has to be applied to humans.
and read up on those terms. it's really amazing what those animals can do.
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ok 62 is somewhat right. it post-copulatory female mate choice has been proven to happen in non-human animals. but not in humans. so if 62 is suggesting that it is likely to happening in humans...well, that insinuation should be walked back a bit.
but it DOES have biological plausibility at least.
but it DOES have biological plausibility at least.
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