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Sunday, October 14, 2012

So I Watched a Couple of Episodes of Revolution on Hulu

Posted by on Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM

So... everyone in NBC's post-power dystopian future is pretty buff, for all the starving they're doing. And the power is off but the hair product still flows. And it's good to know that, even when people are struggling to survive, they still make time to pluck their eyebrows. Those are the kinds of details that restore your faith in humanity. And good on the producers for bringing a little much-needed visibility for the gorgeous asthmatic young blond community. The GAYB community has wheezed in near-silence for too long.

 

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Meh,he does nothing for me. Bella Swan's dad is way hotter.
Posted by arachnar on October 14, 2012 at 1:06 PM · Report this
rara avis 2
Read the Emberverse series instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emberve… (initially set in Oregon!)

Ren faire enthusiasts and Wiccans inherit the Earth.
Posted by rara avis on October 14, 2012 at 1:15 PM · Report this
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Looks like cosmetic dentistry is a crucial part of this post-apocalyptic landscape.
Posted by gloomy gus on October 14, 2012 at 1:19 PM · Report this
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I have a client that lives in his car with his girlfriend and their dog. He still comes in once every 2 weeks for a haircut.
Posted by spokevin on October 14, 2012 at 1:23 PM · Report this
brandon 5
This show looks terrible.

And why is there never any gay leads in these sci-fi/action shows? Not a token lesbian, but an actual gay dude.
Posted by brandon on October 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM · Report this
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The trailer for the show, a few months ago, made it look like reasonably enjoyable apocalyptic science fiction, with all the TV-friendly ridiculous flaws you point out. And JJ Abrams has a good track record when it comes to reasonably enjoyable science fiction on the TV, with all the TV-friendly ridiculous flaws you point out. But the trailer also makes it clear that some event has changed the laws of physics such that electrons no longer flow properly or some such, which I've heard is indeed the case in the first episode or two. This should mean that life is impossible, and is so absurd as to be a dealbreaker for me. I'm willing to accept nonsensical magical notions like transporters and warp drive in my entertainment, but this is too much.
Posted by Warren Terra on October 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM · Report this
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There are so many, many absurdities in this show. We should all just pick three: magic electricity off switch doesn't count.
I choose: 1) surviving winter. 2) No shortage of new shoes which fit. 3) iphone battery still holds charge after 8 years.
C'mon, who's next?
Posted by Xtoph on October 14, 2012 at 1:44 PM · Report this
pdonahue 8
1 matching uniforms of monroe's army(cloths made by hand are never the same) 2 fabulous under garment support for well endowed ladies 3 everyone's too clean for a world without indoor plumbing and disposable razors.
Posted by pdonahue on October 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM · Report this
Teslick 9
Yes, as the other here have said, I'm willing to go with *some* suspension of disbelief, but this is too much...
Posted by Teslick on October 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM · Report this
Ipso Facto 10
It's interesting that a show called Revolution premiered on the first anniversary of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

I was suspicious that the show might be a propaganda tactic to present the idea that an actual popular revolution would inevitably result in a grueling dystopia, and so instill fear in the populace of ever actually rising up.

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch this show yet, so I have no idea if there are actually any elements of that in the show. Can anyone confirm or deny? Is the event that "shut off the electricity" presented as some kind of sabotage by "revolutionaries"?

@7: How about the absurdity of planes falling from the sky like spinning leaves, instead of continuing forward with their momentum and gliding like, well, gliders?
Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on October 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 11
I'll pass. I need comedy. The intentional kind.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on October 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM · Report this
Michael of the Green 12
Featuring beautiful, plucked people on television, regardless of their circumstances (e.g. Lost), is a convention requiring a suspension of disbelief that we have come to accept, and we should stop bitching about. Pretty people are nice to look at, and the reality is that it increases viewership. They make a bad show (e.g. Revolution) a little more bearable.

More notable, re: Revolution, is the ominous references to the dangers of gun control. And there's an undertone of Ann Rand that is truly unsettling.
Posted by Michael of the Green on October 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM · Report this
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My favorite character is Evil Obama.
Posted by Evil(tm) Evolutionist on October 14, 2012 at 2:43 PM · Report this
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I couldn't get through half of the trailer, let alone one whole stupid episode. Armed citizen militias with people shooting each other? A collapsed central government? A return to pre-modern times times? The local militia warlord looks like Obama? Stupid television cliches? This is so much ridiculous Tea Party garbage. I'd rather watch some dumb reality show that doesn't pretend to be smarter than it is.
Posted by floater on October 14, 2012 at 2:44 PM · Report this
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The show's title seems to revolve around the ad-hoc military government that has filled the power vacuum resulting from the loss of ... power.

That's not a revolution, though. It's just anarchy.
Posted by K on October 14, 2012 at 3:03 PM · Report this
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story structure looks terrible. let me guess, 5 years from now we'll find out the power was turned off by cyborg aliens disrupting the space time continuum?
Posted by bleepinbleep on October 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM · Report this
Bauhaus I 17
You know, I know everyone can't afford HBO, Showtime, some of the basic cable channels. Hell, I barely can, but I have to say that when you watch something produced with such artistry such as Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, Tremé, and Breaking Bad - well, it spoils you. I can barely stand network TV anymore save for maybe one or two shows where maybe a character not being able to say, "Fuck that shit," isn't all that important. But oh baby please...when "Fuck that shit" will only do and the character says, "oh, phooey!" and I feel like I'm trapped in Disneyland? Or when I watch a comedy that IS NOT FUNNY and the live audience is roaring? And by the way, how much funnier is Modern Family (whose tide, IMHO, is beginning to ebb) without a laugh track?

It's frustrating because a few tight-asses ruin it for everybody in this country. I guess that's their claim to fame. Maybe that's what they want on their tombstone.

Oh yes, the point of this post: those of you who don't have cable or satellite - go get the DVDs and you'll have the great advantage of seeing as many episodes as you want in one sitting and won't be tortured with the weekly wait for the next one.
Posted by Bauhaus I on October 14, 2012 at 3:23 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 18
@17 I despise cable. I won't spend one penny supporting Murdoch or his evil, lying, simian brained Fux News. Besides, why spend that kind of money when there's so much entertainment for just pennies?
Posted by Pope Peabrain on October 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM · Report this
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My main beef is that many post-apocalyptic stories completely discount the fact that there's a few smart people out there that built all this stuff in the first place. Those same engineers (and other problem solvers!) would have absolutely no problem with finding new solutions to new problems. No electricity? Well, what *does* work? Instead, the writers just barge merrily into the complete collapse of all society and the standard end-of-the-world trope.

Noone in the Army for example, would find solutions to the problems they now face with communications and logistics. Nevermind that the army, navy, and national guard have bases at or near most cities in the US, and would have large numbers of people available in the event of massive civil unrest.

There have been many examples of civilizations and societies that have survived enormous and widespread disasters, and part of the reason why is because the society existed in the first place. There was an organization and structure in place, and people got on with their lives and worked together to find solutions to problems. We don't always just completely lose our heads and even when we do, we eventually come to our senses and start to think logically, even as a group. Someone has to get the sewers running and food on the table, after all.
Posted by gromm on October 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 20
I watched this and just prayed to anything that Daleks or Borg or an Imperial Death Star comes and blasts Earth from the stars
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on October 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM · Report this
NaFun 21
So wait, do fires still burn? Cuz if so you have internal combustion and steam power, aka the 1800s. This is retarded on its face.
Posted by NaFun http://www.dancesafe.org on October 14, 2012 at 4:20 PM · Report this
Big Sven 22
What NaFun said. Also, modern high strength steels don't require high tech, just careful manufacture by metallurgists. Man, after a techpocalypse owning a foundary would be the closest thing to a money tree (well, that and oil refineries...)
Posted by Big Sven http://onedatapoint.blogspot.com/ on October 14, 2012 at 4:44 PM · Report this
pdonahue 23
I think the main premise is that the continental US is not prepared for a game changing shift in energy distribution systems. Our entire electrical grid is based on a petroleum based platform from which to operate. I've been using this show to have discussions with my teenaged sons about peak oil production and a post-scarcity economy, with limited results. We get hung up in the plot holes like anyone else.
The concept of revolution is not so much in the tea party militia sense, the War Lords who run the story line enforce a strict gun control policy, but in a complete reboot of all political and technological structures as they currently exist. I have yet to identify any of the new structures as anarchist, Aynn Rand distopias, or the like.
Posted by pdonahue on October 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 24
"Rendezvous in Corvallis", this is a rip off of the series of books. A real bad rip off. If you like Central Oregon read the books.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on October 14, 2012 at 5:14 PM · Report this
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#13. Thank you. The similarity wasn't lost on me either.

And what's he doing? He's working for a dictator who has taken away your freedom. And he WANTS TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS. And the American flag is illegal.

I love science fiction. I was willing to suspend disbelief on the absurd conceit that electricity doesn't work, but there are still sparks for guns, and fires will still light, and people are still alive, and electrons are clearly still moving. And I accept that a lot of science fiction is a bit on the right-wing side.

But I got two episodes into this, and couldn't watch any more (we're up to episode 3 in Australia now). There's a big-government conspiracy to destroy my way of life? The worst thing about the future is that we're not allowed guns and we can't wave an American flag? Someone who looks suspiciously like Obama is responsible for much of this, although he is working for The Man.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen such right-wing propaganda in sci-fi. Having given up at episode 2, I really shudder to think where this series is going to go. Is the electricity switching off all the result of a UN socialist-environmentalist plot enabled by US liberals? One would suspect so.
Posted by sh1331 on October 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM · Report this
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Revolution isn't the only post-apocalyptic world where people somehow maintain perfectly manicured eyebrows. Check out the ladies in the Walking Dead. I don't know how they find the time to pluck them with all the zombie killing, but somehow, they do.
Posted by SherBee on October 14, 2012 at 5:54 PM · Report this
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@21:

Actually, all gasoline engines require electricity to run the spark plugs. (nevermind electronic fuel injection and the computers that run the engines of any vehicles produced since about 1990) Diesel engines don't have this problem, but starting them without an electric motor is really hard.

But you're spot on about all steam engines. Jet turbines too. But what I said about how writers like to just toss out reason and go straight for the post-apocalyptic trope without much real explanation at all rings true anyway.
Posted by gromm on October 14, 2012 at 6:42 PM · Report this
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@26: at the very least, their hair isn't perfectly coiffed. At all.
Posted by gromm on October 14, 2012 at 6:44 PM · Report this
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@23: Sorry, but actually it's mostly coal and nuclear. The US dropped oil as a fuel for electricity with the oil shocks of the 70's. It now accounts for about 1% of all electrical generation.

What it's really about is how we just can't deal with no electricity.
Posted by gromm on October 14, 2012 at 6:47 PM · Report this
pdonahue 30
Still need a oil based industry to maintain a grid, never mind how you boil water for the turbins
Posted by pdonahue on October 14, 2012 at 7:14 PM · Report this
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I can't believe I defend anything in the premise but over the years more and more critical systems in planes are electrical.

In a modern large plane with no electricity there is little in the way of control.

Posted by david on October 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM · Report this
rob! 32
Did somebody on Slog link this just the udder day? Or did I stumble across it all by my lonesome? Anyway, it's relevant in some ways (read through to the dénouement).

The rest of that site will keep you away from the TeeVee for a while too.
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on October 14, 2012 at 7:24 PM · Report this
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I'll stick to the ninja-zombies on Walking Dead: swift, silent, odorless, and capable of surprise tactics.
Either that or the characters (and producers) of Walking Dead are really, really dumb.
Posted by Drew2u on October 14, 2012 at 7:31 PM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 34
This kind of reminds me of me and my friends watching Excalibur and cracking jokes about the Queen wearing gold lamé.

The premise would have some appeal if it were done seriously, since the energy crisis and the rising cost of gas have got people worried these days. Carrying such fears to an extreme (what if one day the oil ran out completely, or if an Electro-Magnetic Pulse wiped out all the elctricity?) would make an excellent plotline.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on October 14, 2012 at 7:46 PM · Report this
Teslick 35
34: But the problem with Revolution is that for the premise to work, physical laws have to stop working. Which reminds me - has there been a thunderstorm during the show? Has someone found a bag of balloons, blown one up, rubbed it on their hair and stuck the balloon to the wall?
Posted by Teslick on October 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM · Report this
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The electromagnetic pulse thing has been done at least once on network TV and heck it was even set in Seattle.
Posted by david on October 14, 2012 at 9:11 PM · Report this
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Even though there are obvious flaws—definitely some of which you mention—I think that Revolution is bound to be a hit for multiple seasons. The only thing we need to worry about, like some of my coworkers at DISH mentioned to me yesterday, is Abrams deploying too many mysteries into the show, too quickly. I’ll continue watching because I’m a giant nerd for sci-fi and the idea of dystopian story lines. I don’t even have to remember to set the timer for the show, because my Hopper DVR auto-records the big 4 channels during their PrimeTime hours. The PrimeTime Anytime feature has helped me to not have to worry about forgetting timers, and I’ve even discovered a couple of new shows. As long as I don’t become lost like I did with LOST, I’ll be a fan of the show.
Posted by WWW on October 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM · Report this
BEG 38
I dunno, I see all the objections (yep yep yep and yep) others have made here, but so far I'm enjoying the show. I also wonder about steam power :-P

I do think if it were done properly, realistically, no one would want to watch the show.

I do wanna see what they do in Illinois winter with those tank tops, though o.O
Posted by BEG http://twitter.com/#!/browneyedgirl65 on October 14, 2012 at 9:48 PM · Report this
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@34: The "if the world runs out of oil" plot was done in The Road Warrior movies. I think they were trying to be original

@30: No, you don't *need* an oil-based industry to make electricity, but it helps. For example, here in BC most of our electricity comes from hydro dams. Want to run it entirely on coal? Sure, you can do that if you use steam locomotives to take coal from mines to power plants (or put the power plants next to the mines, which... they already do). And yes, you can run the mines on steam engines. It's kind of the way the world worked for near 100 years before the advent of oil.
Posted by gromm on October 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM · Report this
pdonahue 40
#39 yeah fine except you need diesel trucks with rubber tires to maintain the miles of lines, a supply chain that includes food and medicine that is completely dependent on cheap oil. I don't care how cheap it is to produce your electricity, if you don't have a blast furnace to produce titanium turbine blades to fix it once in a while, you're toast. http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/04/unthink…
Posted by pdonahue on October 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM · Report this
Ipso Facto 41
@31: Sure, if we magically turn off the electricity in a flying jet, all the control systems would be useless, and maybe the engines would shut off (wait, why would the engines shut off?), but even given all of that, the flying jet has a load of momentum carrying it forward, and its wings will provide a diminishing amount of lift.

I would expect the jet to glide forward just like a paper plane. But in the trailer we see the jets somehow spinning like shuriken and damn near plummeting straight down. Bogus.
Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on October 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM · Report this
BEG 42
Actually I take back my comments about steam after thinking about it some more. I bet without our present infrastructure you can no longer extract and process much coal (not to mention having depleted the easy sources by now). And what did we burn the most of for steam power? Yep. What else? How much wood can you burn before deforesting everything? Hm, peat? Pretty region specific and you won't be getting any from Britain ;). Natural gas? I bet the same problems exist with extracting any that's left now as with coal.

Now whether or not they'll be enough on the ball to explain why we haven't fallen back on coal, etc, that remains to be seen.

I wonder if this extends to wiping out lightning and other natural electrical phenomena (static electricity, anyone)? (Can't remember if the tornado had any lightning, but it did have thunder...)

I also wondered whether or not global warming would be touched on here. If we have passed a tipping point as some think, then the process may be continuing anyway even after Revolution's "lights out".

Anyway, I'm interested enough to keep following it. And the leads are cute enough for the eye candy.
Posted by BEG http://twitter.com/#!/browneyedgirl65 on October 14, 2012 at 10:41 PM · Report this
Ipso Facto 43
Hah! Look at the jet falling at 0:40... it still has its lights on as it falls straight down like a spinning plate. Why the fuck is it spinning??

Posted by Ipso Facto http://therealnews.com on October 14, 2012 at 10:42 PM · Report this
KingofQueenAnne 44
It's a very disneyfied apocalypse
Posted by KingofQueenAnne http://blingeejesus.blogspot.com on October 14, 2012 at 11:18 PM · Report this
mikethehammer 45
Looks like a pretty elaborate & overdone excuse to present CGI'd visions of seemingly familiar landscapes overgrown by shrubbery.
Posted by mikethehammer on October 14, 2012 at 11:48 PM · Report this
TreGibbs 46
Soooo glad I got rid of television back in 2010
Posted by TreGibbs on October 15, 2012 at 12:09 AM · Report this
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@23: No, the Monroe Republic isn't anarchIST, nor is the village, but the existence of both systems are thanks to the state of anarchy that apparently occurred overnight.

The Monroe Republic apparently extends from Wisconsin to Indiana and possibly Georgia. That's a hell of a lot of territory for one whack job. Apparently no one else has guns.

I have to say it's damned convenient that the change to to the laws of physics means not only that electrons don't flow through metal anymore -- by the way, does anyone have a magnet and a length of wire? -- but also that planes no longer get lift from their wings... however, guns work fine!

Oh, also, you don't faint from blood loss, and you die even after your blood loss has been stopped. Pretty sure that don't happen. Blood isn't fuel; you don't use it up and then die. Of course, if "the laws of physics changed", then maybe the laws of biology did too. Who knows. Everything goes as long as it gives the writers something to write about. Just as long as guns still work.

(Also if the woman had lost so much blood as to die, the others ought to be swimming in puddles of it. Yet there's no blood to be seen.)
Posted by K on October 15, 2012 at 1:40 AM · Report this
saxfanatic 48
So lemme get this straight: Society collapses when the laws of chemistry are suspended. The Ladies' Man tries to seize power and only the Amish can stand up to him.

Yay! I'll be watching!
Posted by saxfanatic on October 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 49
39,

Yes, well, the RW series suffered from two major flaws 1) they were made in the 1980's. and 2) Mel Gibson.

35,

Since when is Hollywood or television bound by the laws of physics? This isn't Carl Sagan's Cosmos here. Of you applied the same standard to True Blood or the Walking Dead, we'd be watching shows about Cajuns giving each other hickies and college students the morning after a dorm party.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on October 15, 2012 at 6:48 AM · Report this
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Yeah, when this was run as an actual experiment called "The Colony," on Discovery IIRC, it was dirtier but more interesting, and ultimately horrendously depressing. Couldn't finish it then, and I'm not watching the pretty version now.

I did sit through the pilot, to be fair, and not one thing about it made me want to return for more. There's too much decent TV to watch to waste time on this. And by "decent" I include "the cartoon based on 'How to Train Your Dragon,' which is slightly more realistic in how it treats the laws of physics."
Posted by Action Kate on October 15, 2012 at 7:02 AM · Report this
Rotten666 51
@50 With all due respect, the colony wasn't an experiment, it was shitty reality show that was laughably retarded.

And yes the first thing I though of when I saw the commercial for Revolution was why didn't steam power work?
Posted by Rotten666 on October 15, 2012 at 7:12 AM · Report this
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Heh. The lead character does nothing but whine, look mournful and occasionally shoot something. It's like the Joy Luck Club but with blondes.
Posted by DRF on October 15, 2012 at 7:31 AM · Report this
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Yeah, if electrons can't function anymore, human brain along with all the animals would cease to function too.

Absurd premise indeed for any elementary school educated person.
Posted by Falcor on October 15, 2012 at 8:09 AM · Report this
Joe Szilagyi 54
You all need to read One Second After. It's a more realistic take on what happens if you lose all power in the USA in one go -- it requires multiple high level nuke bursts to EMP the continent and is scientifically plausible, and also horrific.

The McGuffin of this show is that some 'force' is keeping the power off, magically in some way, and they make absolutely no secret that it's absurd or supernatural or something mystic-y by the third episode. The guy who is stated repeatedly (usually by him in his charmingly self-deprecating crazy egocentricity) to be a former old-world tech whiz billionaire is dumbfounded and astonished by a little trinket allowing or causing power to flow to multiple devices in a home, to the point of fully charging--instantly--cell phones. But as soon as the magic device 'powers down' it blocks the devices, including the clearly fully charged iphone, from working again.

That shit is magic, yo. It pushes Revolution from science fiction to science fantasy, and makes it a lot easier to sock up.

For a more visually "realistic" apocalyptic story: watch The Walking Dead.
Posted by Joe Szilagyi http://www.zombo.com on October 15, 2012 at 8:33 AM · Report this
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Dan: you're spot on most of the time, but angry and critical. is there no way you can provide some constructive criticism?
Posted by PinkieB on October 15, 2012 at 8:37 AM · Report this
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1) Everyone's a ninja expert at machete-fighting. 2) The plucky, brave band of ragtag rebels can't think of anything better than making everything exactly the way it to be so they can use their (product placement!) iPhones. 3) It's been 15 years and nobody seems to be growing food or building anything.
Posted by pox on October 15, 2012 at 9:14 AM · Report this
Fortunate 57
"I dunno, I see all the objections (yep yep yep and yep) others have made here, but so far I'm enjoying the show. I also wonder about steam power :-P"

I agree. It's just a TV show. They haven't even given an explanation for why electricity stopped working, so arguing about how their explanation isn't possible doesn't make sense yet. But so far it is a fun show. And being an archery fan I like the large number of shows and movies recently incorporating archery.

People seen to have no problem with the impossibilities of Star Trek. Transporters wouldn't work due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. So what did the writers of Star Trek do? They make up something called a Heisenberg Compensator. How does it work? They never say. It is no different than saying "and they did magic and the transporters work". And people seen to have no problem with the impossibility of transporters, yet they can't accept that there is some explanation why electricity might stop working in some instances and not others.

As for the steam, perhaps everyone but me missed the trailers for tonights episode which cleary features a steam powered train. Yes, steam engines still work and exist in this world. And apparently the militia pretty much controls them. Not hard to do when they require tracks to run on and can't devaite from a few set courses.

It's not the greatest show in the world, true, but lighten up people. I don't know the politics of the people making it, but it's fantasy. It's like getting upset over all the religous / Mormon propaganda in the revamped Battlestar Galactica. Sure, it's there. But it is easier to stomach if you keep in mind that he whole show is a fantasy.

Posted by Fortunate on October 15, 2012 at 9:39 AM · Report this
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What I don't understand is what happened to all the firearms? Currently somewhere between 40-50% of all US households have at least one firearm and there is nearly one firearm per person (possibly much more) in the US, how can the Militia magically control all guns?
Posted by randoma on October 15, 2012 at 10:03 AM · Report this
Fortunate 59
Because the guys who started the militia were military. They initially had access to better guns, and they organized. They eventually rounded up most of the guns. They didn't get all of them, and there are still guns out there in the world of the show, but with the penalty for possessing a gun being death, and the militia able and willing to carry out that sentence, many people would rather give up their guns than take the risk. At least in the early stages before anyone else could organize.

If there is any message to this show it is that the getting organized first gives you huge advantage.
Posted by Fortunate on October 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM · Report this
dwightmoodyforgetsthings 60
@24- It's "A Meeting in Corvalis" and the first book was "Dies the Fire" and the series is called "Emberverse" and the first three were awesome but the author is just milking it now but I'm still on the hold list for the most recent one anyway. It seems to be ripping off the Emberverse but I understand there was a young adult book written in the 80s with a similar premise so...
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceclop on October 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM · Report this
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@59 - I'm still not seeing that. Maybe in big cities, but I live in a very rural area - everyone and their kid sister has a gun. There is no way you could possibly round up all the firearms without suffering huge casualties.

I'm also not seeing 'access to better guns' - tanks, rocket launchers, grenades..etc, maybe, but I don't think there is a clear winner between a guy with an M16 and a guy with an AR15 (or other 'citizen legal' firearm).
Posted by randoma on October 15, 2012 at 11:40 AM · Report this
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I hope Dan is getting money for advertising this show, because him posting this trailer up on his site actually will probably boost this show`s ratings :D
Posted by ReepCheep on October 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 63
Aloe grows pretty well. And solar water heat doesn't care about electricity, quite frankly.

@61 both have plastic shell bodies which will become brittle over time. Wood stock rifles are more likely to survive long term, if properly oiled.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 15, 2012 at 12:54 PM · Report this
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@59
I'm going to go with #61 on this.
Not to mention the military being composed of people who came from exactly those towns and cities that they have supposedly gone pro-gun-control on.
Don't forget that automatic fire eats up ammo a LOT faster than semi-automatic fire.
And without electricity the militia is going to have to cart around that extra ammo by hand (or with animal power).
But that's just that issue.

Bandits and raiders from the political division next door are another issue.
Without guns, the citizens of Monroe that are close to the border will be easy targets for raiders.
Which means that Monroe's borders should be shrinking inwards as border towns are deserted.

So the choice becomes own a gun and face death from the Monroe government or don't own a gun and a raider will take your supplies and you'll die come Winter.

And that isn't even addressing the issue of other predators (wolves / coyotes / etc) killing and eating the livestock.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on October 15, 2012 at 1:00 PM · Report this
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Yeah I gotta say the super clean people with the fancy cloths ruined this show by about 10 minutes in. Why no wide spread steam, how is that guy still fat, ect. are also good questions. The characters are flat and boring so far but might get better with more episodes. No idea about the plot yet. Probably not going to watch just because of the cleanliness.

I also don't like the idea that they are going to try to explain the reason that everything shut off. The complete loss of electricity just doesn't work scientifically. Now if they just didn't ever explain WTH happened and actually made note of how silly it is that electricity stopped working but lightning still happens and people are still alive in show I would be on board.

Dies the Fire does this really well. It sets up the premise that everything has stopped working (electricity, steam power, explosives) and then doesn't explain itself (at least not in the first series, I think the second series just says magic gods did it to fuck with us, dunno haven't read it). This works great, sure the question is always there but it's just something you can't do anything about. The series isn't about how it happened but about what people do next.
Posted by wachow on October 15, 2012 at 1:52 PM · Report this
Fortunate 66
"There is no way you could possibly round up all the firearms without suffering huge casualties."

From what has been suggested in the show so far it seems like the premise is that a whole lot of people died pretty quick. Not just from starvation and disease, but bandits and community squabbling.

The idea being that everyone was in disarray, except the militia.

And I don't get why everyone things everyone in the show should be starving and in rags. People starved initially, particularly in the cities. However once the militia took over and squelched the bandits people settled into communities where they could grow crops and hunt or raise livestock. While some people clearly have a hard time of it there is nothing to suggest that at the time of the main storyline of the show that starvation and deprivation are widespread much less universal.

There are plenty of holes in the show, certainly. But really, not any more than in Star Trek, or Babylon 5, or Lost, or Heroes, or any number of other similar shows with fantastical premises and lots of convoluted story lines.

I think the problem people have with suspension of disbelief with this show is because it isn't fantastical enough. Aliens are so far fetched that the fact that they almost always seem to have two arms, two legs, two eyes, two ears, one mouth and a nose doesn't make us scream bullshit, and phasers and deflector shields, transporters, warp drives, replicators, travel through singularities and the like seem acceptable.

But because this show is set in a world very close to ours the idea that when the power goes out a well armed militia can round up most of the guns seems like an unacceptable contrivance, even though that is far more likely to happen than transporters or aliens that evolved on vastly different planets and environments that look almost exactly like humans with just an wrinkly nose or pointed ears.
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Posted by Fortunate on October 15, 2012 at 3:07 PM · Report this
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Oh, and if we really want to be accurate if the power went out the earth would pretty much become uninhabitable quickly. There was a documentary I saw based on the premise of what would happen if humans just disappeared off the earth, but many of the things would equally apply to the electricity going off.

Pretty much all the nuclear reactors would melt down once the pumps stopped supplying water to keep the fuel rods cool covering most of North America and Europe, Japan and large parts of the rest of the world in a radioactive cloud.

The millions of gallons of toxic chemicals that need to be maintained in temperature controlled storage containers would eventually heat up and explode, covering large areas with deadly toxic gases.

Modern construction apparently doesn't hold up well without constant maintenance. Buildings would begin to crumble and fall in a couple of decades as the lack of environmental control in them causes pressure differences that pop out the windows allowing the elements to enter and a weaken the structures.

So really, most post apocalyptic storyscapes are complete fantasy no matter the scenario.
Posted by Fortunate on October 15, 2012 at 3:15 PM · Report this
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The funny thing was a couple weeks ago my neighborhood had a 6 hour cable outage. But, stuff you record on Tivo still plays. So I check and see I set up a season pass and recorded it.
So, in my personal, primitive world of no cable or internet, I watched the first 2 episodes.
Meh ---was okay. I agree with all comments.
Isn't this the same thing like Falling Skies without the giant alien bugs?
Posted by delk on October 15, 2012 at 3:16 PM · Report this
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@66: Nice critique of B5. Too bad it's wrong. :)

In Babylon 5, there were plenty of aliens that were completely... alien. With differing atmospheres, biologies, and numbers of legs. Some of them you didn't even know what they looked like because they were always wearing what amounted to space suits.

The physics also made sense, mostly. The Earth Alliance light fighter ships have even been adopted by NASA as the kind of fighters that they would build, if they were tasked to build them.
Posted by gromm on October 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM · Report this
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@69

Menbari - two legs, two arms, two eyes, two ears a nose and mouth.
Centari - two legs, two arms, two eyes, two ears a nose and mouth.
Narn - two legs, two arms, two eyes two ears a nose and mouth.
Dilgar - two legs, two arms, two eyes, two ears a nose and a mouth.
Drazi - two legs, two arms, two eyes, two ears a nose and a mouth.
Pak'ma'ra - two legs, two arms, two eyes two ears a nose and a mouth.

I could go on. Randomly choosing a few to breath a different atmosphere, and having the occasional alien be non humanoid, doest change the fact that it is still pretty much impossible for that many aliens to evolve independently on different planets and have them all basically end up looking like humans in makeup.

As for the physics, not that well done. They did try, but the physics of simulating gravity by revolving the station would only work so long as items were in contact with the ground. If you were to jump high you should float up, but that didn't happen. They did address it in one episode where the captain jumps from the monorail and starts to float down. It is mentioned that although he should just float down at the same rate he would still get squashed because the floor is moving too fast. Yet in all other situations gravity on the station acts and reacts as if they were in an actual gravity well of a massive object an not in a spinning tube.

And again, they solved the issue of faster than light travel with what basically amounts to magic. They just call the magic "jump gates".
Posted by Fortunate on October 15, 2012 at 8:01 PM · Report this
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@5: Watch Captain Jack from Torchwood. Series 1 episode 12. Best time travel gay kiss story ever.
Posted by sffan on October 15, 2012 at 11:30 PM · Report this
OutInBumF 72
Not a single commenter mentions the gal with the FUNCTIONING, NETWORKED COMPUTER IN HER BASEMENT/CAVE? Lost interest at that one....
Posted by OutInBumF on October 16, 2012 at 12:02 AM · Report this
fannerz 73
And they all looked recently showered, with store bought clothes. Ergh
Posted by fannerz on October 16, 2012 at 6:08 AM · Report this
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If electrons no longer flow... no one could move, or eat, or breathe.... or anything. Energy would cease to be converted. Heat death of Earth would shortly ensue. Wtf, I hate stupid science like this.
Posted by fannerz on October 16, 2012 at 6:11 AM · Report this
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I think they could sell all the fantastical plot devices they wanted if the acting wasn't so shitty, the writing wasn't completely hacky and un-original, and there was some imaginative art direction. But he show is shit de-spite it's silly plot.
Posted by tkc on October 16, 2012 at 1:44 PM · Report this
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@25: Did you somehow (enviably) avoid Orson Scott Card?
Posted by John Horstman on October 17, 2012 at 7:27 AM · Report this

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