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Tuesday, October 16, 2012

LiveSlogging the Second Presidential Debate

Posted by on Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Click on the big gray door below to dive into the The Stranger's river of reaction—pristine, of course!—to tonight's debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. You can join the conversation by Tweeting at any of us, or all of us. OR, you can jump right in via that comment window below. Only 20 days left until election day!

 

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The Stranger must be heavily moderating the comments in the live Slog. I tried to comment a couple of times and my comments were not posted. I give up!
Posted by WestSeven on October 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM · Report this
Norbeck 2
@1, Yeah, me too! I must be doing it wrong... sulk...
Posted by Norbeck on October 16, 2012 at 6:52 PM · Report this
The_Shaved_Bear 3
Does Barack have the flu? He's looking a bit peekid. I mean, it REALLY looks like he's SUCKING IT UP out there right now.
Posted by The_Shaved_Bear on October 16, 2012 at 6:55 PM · Report this
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@1: Critical thinking and even the slightest limp-wristed criticism of Obama will not be tolerated here!
Posted by Spindles on October 16, 2012 at 7:12 PM · Report this
5
POTUS is kicking ass and eating Romney's lunch. LIke night and day compared to last debate
Posted by mighty vinyl on October 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 6
Dan, your Charles in Charge tweets are fucking stupid. Just so you know.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM · Report this
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SWEEP THE LEG!
Posted by navels on October 16, 2012 at 7:34 PM · Report this
Geni 8
Yeah, my live-Slog comments don't ever go through either. But I don't think they're censored, I think their server's overloaded.
Posted by Geni on October 16, 2012 at 7:44 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 9
@1,

They've always only approved a tiny fraction of the comments they get. Just tonight, I probably submitted ten, and only one showed up.
Posted by keshmeshi on October 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 10
I got one or two comments through. They used to grant the ability to comment without moderation pretty fast (at least to established Sloggers) but judging from all the purple-text comments, they didn't do that for anyone.
Posted by Matt from Denver on October 16, 2012 at 7:46 PM · Report this
stinkbug 11
I hate how the fact checkers feel the need to ping pong between the two sides without focusing on who overall told the most untruths.
Posted by stinkbug on October 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM · Report this
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Not sure I can look at McKenna and his smug smirk after 90 minutes of Rmoney being a dick. Perhaps I'll have to watch UT news and see how they spin Rmoney's performance.
Posted by StuckInUtah on October 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM · Report this
sirkowski 13
Obama killed.
Posted by sirkowski http://www.missdynamite.com on October 16, 2012 at 8:01 PM · Report this
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The Seattle Times should be on for another Pulitzer:

"Obama, Romney disagree in debate"
Posted by Foonken2 on October 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM · Report this
Posted by doubtroub on October 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM · Report this
Pick1 16
Romney slip up at the end was my favorite moment.

"Sweet I've made it through the 2 most watched debates without getting slammed on my gaffs...let's talk about me caring for 100% of America and allude to the 47% video that was probably my most damning stumble of the campaign. I'm sure Obama won't capitalize on it."
Posted by Pick1 on October 16, 2012 at 8:14 PM · Report this
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Love how at the end Moneybags surrounded himself with family while the Obamas got out there and started talking with people in the audience.
Posted by Calpete on October 16, 2012 at 8:27 PM · Report this
sperifera 18
George Romney was sunk by "brainwashed". Mitt was sunk by "binders full of women".

Game over.
Posted by sperifera on October 16, 2012 at 9:16 PM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 19
When is Romney's new single "Bitchez in Binderz" dropping anyway?
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 17, 2012 at 6:06 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 20
To all the people complaining about being "censored," keep in mind that the first comment was posted about 30 minutes after the debate started, which pretty much means that the server has having problems, and no one's early comments were being posted.

People criticize Obama all day here, and no one gets censored, unless they are spamming. Get over the victim complex, geezy.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 17, 2012 at 6:58 AM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 21
None of my comments were allowed in either. But any mention of Obama's execution of American's without due process or his secret kill list or the increase of going after whistleblowers during his administration will not be tolerated by The Stranger.

Drink the Kool Aid or you can't play.

Oh and "the server" excuse? I call BS on. They did it during the past two debates...not just this one.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on October 17, 2012 at 7:19 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 22
@21: Except that people comment about those all the time. Including you. Right here and right now. The fact that your comment exists proves that you are wrong.

If you really think your lame arguments and paranoid theories concern anyone enough to censor you, you are way too far up your own ass, or in the clouds. No one cares about you.

You seem to be drinking the bitter Kool-Aid of your own making.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 17, 2012 at 8:16 AM · Report this
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 23
Mr. Obama LIED about Benghazi, and it’s a lie that’s going to catch up with him (if the press does its job at all). He did NOT call the Benghazi massacre and assassination of Ambassador Stevens an “act of terror” on 9/12/12 as he claimed last night and anyone who has been following the Benghazi cover-up knows it.

On 9/12/12 he called the Benghazi massacre and assassination of Ambassador Stevens “an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi” and an “outrageous and shocking attack” and referred to the attackers as “killers”. He then went on to allude to the YouTube video as the “justification” (cause) of the attack saying “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence” and continued on to refer to the attack as “brutal acts” by “attackers”. He then eulogized Ambassador Stevens and then reflected on the anniversary of 9/11/01 and eulogized the victims of that attack, and the soldiers lost in its aftermath, and in conjunction with those reflections said “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for” (referring back to his earlier statement that “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others “ before pivoting back to 9/12/12 by saying “Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.” He then, again, referred to the perpetrators of the attack as “attackers”.

So, to recap, he called the Benghazi massacre and assassination of Ambassador Stevens “an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi,” an “outrageous and shocking attack,” “brutal acts,” and a “terrible act” and called its perpetrators “killers” and “attackers” but never, and nowhere, did he call the Benghazi massacre and assassination of Ambassador Stevens “act of terror” (as he claimed last night) or refer to its perpetrators as “terrorists”. HE LIED AND CANDY COVERED FOR HIM BY REPEATING HIS LIE.

The transcript of the speech can be found here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-offi…

I am sure it’s unnecessary at this time for me to recap the many statements made after 9/12/12 by the Ambassador to UN and the President where they both tied the attack directly to the YouTube video and a fictional mob of protesters or the multiple times the President and his Press Secretary were asked directly if the Benghazi massacre and assassination of Ambassador Stevens was an act of terror and they refused to call it such.
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Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on October 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 24
@23:

"No acts of terror [emphasis mine] will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America."

You are the liar. He did not flatly say "this was a terrorist attack" but keep in mind that the facts were not in and it does not behoove the president to talk out of turn about things that have not been determined.

But furthermore, your statement: "but never, and nowhere, did he call the Benghazi massacre and assassination of Ambassador Stevens “act of terror”" is actually the lie, as the link you provide shows. Thanks!

Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM · Report this
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 25
@24

If he believed then that it was an act of terror, why did he call the perpetrators "killers" and "attackers" instead of terrorists?

Why did he refuse to call it an act of terror on The View and Letterman when they asked him if it was an act of terror?

Why didn't he label it as such in his UN speech?

I call bullshit
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on October 17, 2012 at 11:54 AM · Report this
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 26
@24

In that passage he was CLEARLY talking abour 9/11/01 not 9/11/12.
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on October 17, 2012 at 11:56 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 27
@26: No, the last mention of 9/11 was two paragraphs earlier, whereas he mentioned the attacks in Bhengazi in the very next breath.

I know you guys have real problems with context, but this one is really obvious.

As for your "killers vs. terrorists" line, you have to keep in mind that things exist called "synonyms." When people are speaking on a topic, they often use them as to vary their speech. Sounds better. Were they not killers? Were they not attackers?

But also, why does his word choice even matter? Because you are desperately grasping at straws, as your candidate has zero to offer. But why am I even bothering? You don't care about reality or facts, you are just a lying troll. You know you are wrong.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM · Report this
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So. You Gotta Be Kidding Me, hows that search for WMD in Iraq going?
Posted by tkc on October 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM · Report this
You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me 29
@27

If he had called the attack an act of terror in the rose garden on 9/12/12, don’t you think someone somewhere would have reported such a statement?

Where is the headline from 9/13/12 saying “Obama: ‘Ambassador killed in terrorist attack’” or anything in that vein?

Please point to any article anywhere on 9/12 or 9/13 that says he called it an act of terror in his speech on 9/12. Surly the Stranger would have mentioned such a thing…

Hell, I called it an act of terror in slog comments on October 10th and got shouted down for doing so...

Obama either lied last night, or (worse) he’s an abject failure at communicating basic facts to the American people in a time of crises.
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me on October 17, 2012 at 2:09 PM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 30
@29: So you believe that even if things are proven to have happened, in text and on camera, it actually did not happen unless it is a headline somewhere?

That may be the stupidest argument I have seen in a very long time.

You know, I have not seen any headlines today that you made any comments on this thread, so I guess you believe that you have not made any comments on this thread?

Please show me a news story that proves you have made comments on this thread, or I guess I can not believe you.
Posted by Theodore Gorath on October 18, 2012 at 8:05 AM · Report this
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So what if Obama lied? So what? You weren't going to vote for him anyway. You vote for liars all the time. You're going to vote for Romney - he lies. You voted for Bush. Man, did that moron lie.

If you're such a truth teller please tell us about George W. Bush's lies that led this country into a disastrous moral war of aggression. A war which caused the senseless deaths - of not just a handful of people - but HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent people. Including women and children.

Surely you must be INFINITELY more upset about that? Right?

Riiiiiight?
Posted by tkc on October 18, 2012 at 1:21 PM · Report this

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