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Monday, October 29, 2012

Here's Mitt Romney Mocking Climate Change at the RNC

Posted by on Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Laugh it up, asshole.

Climate change isn't just a punchline to one of your jokes, or something you get to ignore during the debates. It's punching New York in the face right now.


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That article goes out of its way to stipulate that Sandy was *not* directly caused by global warming, and you should too, because we believe in intellectual honesty and they don't. Powerful hurricanes are not attributable to global warming; they only serve as an allegorical reminder that the planet is more powerful than our civilization.
Posted by khmer on October 29, 2012 at 6:51 PM · Report this
biffp 3
Slowing climate change and helping families are mutually exclusive? It's amazing how little government can do when you put a spoilt asshole in charge who has no interest in helping it succeed. As Bill Mahr said, elect this asshole and you get everyone he's pandered to in the past 7 years of campaigning.
Posted by biffp on October 29, 2012 at 7:34 PM · Report this

Yes, we have climate change to thank.

Because since 2004 all "hurricanes" hitting the US have become Tropical Storms or less on hitting where near hurricane force winds..unlike the IPCC IV predictions.

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on October 29, 2012 at 7:43 PM · Report this

Death Defying Image from Twitpix!!…

The tremendous force of nature, and what it can do..
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on October 29, 2012 at 7:49 PM · Report this
sperifera 7
@1 - Very well said.
Posted by sperifera on October 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM · Report this
dirac 8
Hey, it's Troll City tonight! The full moon must bring out all these basement-dwelling fappers.

But what @1 said. Constant, I love your movie and book reviews but Jesus can you please knock it off with the incessant, stupid tribalism for once in a Goddamn while? This is the kind of thing that makes pronouncements of "fact-based" (or logical, scientific, etc.) from so-called liberals utterly meaningless.

This is another example (in a long list with this issue) of the single cause fallacy. It's the same bullshit as Sean Hannity saying it's snowing a lot in DC, where's that global warming? har har
Posted by dirac on October 29, 2012 at 8:09 PM · Report this
NotSean 10
@6 way off topic here, and no offense intended, honest: Why does your pic look so scary? Do you have something more 'metaphysical', as one might expect from a supreme deity?
Posted by NotSean on October 29, 2012 at 8:18 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 11
Why does Komrade Mitt hate America so?
Posted by Will in Seattle on October 29, 2012 at 8:48 PM · Report this
NotSean 13
@12 Right on! Coal and oil cause no appreciable damage to the environment. We have never-ending supplies, right here at home too! It makes not a lick of sense to spend anything on so-called green energy. To hell with that crap.

Know what else? Solar power is from another celestial body. That makes it not only foreign; it's goddamned alien!


Posted by NotSean on October 29, 2012 at 9:40 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 14
You guys are wrong. Scientists have predicted one of the consequences of our current global climate change is more intense weather. Basically, humans are adding a lot of energy into a chaotic system. When you do that, you increase the chaos. The weather become less predictable, and there are more intense instances of extreme weather.

If there is any mistake here, it's that the global climate needs to be looked at globally. One storm, one season, one year is not enough to show a trend. But there is enough recorded history to know that, yes, the climate is changing, it's changing very rapidly, (far more rapid than any other climate change of record) and that human activity is a factor.

So Sandy is not the proof of the current global climate change. It is a consequence of it. The proof has been established beyond doubt.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on October 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM · Report this
@1, Paul didn't say that Sandy is directly due to climate change; yet, rising sea levels and warmer surface temperatures are contributing to greater storm surges, intensity of precipitation, etc So, the magnitude of several aspects of this extreme weather event are affected by climate change.
Posted by anon1256 on October 29, 2012 at 10:35 PM · Report this
Gay Dude for Romney 17
@14: I think you've well exceeded your allotted carbon credits for the day.
Posted by Gay Dude for Romney on October 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM · Report this
venomlash 18
@14: You have it right on the money.
Posted by venomlash on October 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 19
@17 It's always easy to make smart-ass remarks. It's more difficult to actually think about it. Especially when you're a programmed bot and have given up critical thinking. Nothing you say is original. It's all stuff I could find online or on Fox.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on October 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM · Report this
I remember that line. It's pretty good. Romney's speech, unfortunately for him, was loaded with snarky jokes, but was bereft of details or even a single mention of the troops fighting overseas.

I also pretty much agree with @14.
Posted by floater on October 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM · Report this
@5 and @7:

Well maybe Paul can dig up Romneys' FEMA should be axed quotes instead. He was perky over that idea too.

Posted by david on October 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM · Report this
Gay Dude for Romney 22
@19: Critical thinking? You act like climate change is something new? It is not. CO2 levels are rising, but the science is only partial on the ability for humans to change it in any significant way. Moreover, it appears you scan articles without fully reading them. We're all guilty of that from time to time so I won't fault you there.
FOX? It's the highest rated news network in the country, I do try to keep up with MSNBC, but they play prison documentaries and old repeats of 'To Catch a Predator' to often to be reliable. Why doesn't George Soros buy the old hulk?
You and I spread hyperbole like marmalade on a buttery English muffin. But we should really start to watch our weight.

Posted by Gay Dude for Romney on October 29, 2012 at 11:57 PM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 23
Constant needs to chang his name to "Screaming Mimi." Because that's all he seems to do these days. He hasn't been rational for years now.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty on October 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 24
@22 - False equivalency, as your hyperbole is equivalent to untreated sewage and not marmalade.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on October 30, 2012 at 12:13 AM · Report this
dirac 25
"It's punching New York in the face right now."

What about this is not directly equating Sandy with climate change? Yes, @14, you're right for the most part. Paul wasn't that nuanced though, so he deserves the criticism he gets. It's also worth noting that there is debate on the current intensity of the "global warming signal."
Posted by dirac on October 30, 2012 at 12:18 AM · Report this
Life was so much simpler when we were just saving rainforests 20 years ago. I miss those days.
Posted by Chali2Na on October 30, 2012 at 12:20 AM · Report this
@22, What gobbledygook, which I won't bother refuting except for your peculiar reading of the article linked by Paul. Klein basically says there is no doubt that climate change is making Sandy worse so wtf are you arguing about?
Posted by anon1256 on October 30, 2012 at 12:31 AM · Report this
Paul missed the point that winter storms rarely interact fall hurricanes. The warmer than average springs in the arctic are forcing the normal cold winds down to then south quicker than usual. That's why this storm is unusual.
@22 I'd suggest reading. Just watching TV makes you pretty stupid. Remember the founding fathers never watched TV. Hold yourself to better standards.
Posted by CbytheSea on October 30, 2012 at 3:26 AM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 29
I'm sure glad that while people are dying Paul has made time to take some political hits on brain dead Romney.

I mean I get the GOP is a bunch of classless thugs but I can see some of the Obama supporters are right there with them.

Keep it classy Paul. And why don't you post a link to the ARC and other groups that are going to be working with FEMA over the next few weeks helping the victims?
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on October 30, 2012 at 3:38 AM · Report this
Ipso Facto 30
@OP: "Climate change isn't just a punchline to one of your jokes, or something you get to ignore during the debates."

Obama also ignored climate change during the debates.
Posted by Ipso Facto on October 30, 2012 at 5:13 AM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 33
Jeezus keerist, Gay Dude. Highest rated does not mean best.

If it did, then 'Here Comes Honey Boo Boo' would be winning Emmys. Or Golden Globes. Or anything besides scorn, unlike you.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on October 30, 2012 at 6:05 AM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 34
@29 - Clutch your pearls tighter.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on October 30, 2012 at 6:39 AM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 35
@34, so you've donated to help the victims of Sandy already? As they say put up or shut up dear.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on October 30, 2012 at 7:07 AM · Report this
Catherwood 36
Donations to the Red Cross will be very helpful. As George Takei points out, one option is to text REDCROSS to 90999. But do whatever your conscience demands.
Posted by Catherwood on October 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM · Report this
Rotten666 37

This is a weak hurricane that merged with a noreaster and hit land at high tide during a full moon.

If it was a category 5, maybe you can say something.

But Global Warming? Use you fucking brains.

Posted by Rotten666 on October 30, 2012 at 8:33 AM · Report this
McJulie 38

"CO2 levels are rising, but the science is only partial on the ability for humans to change it in any significant way."

I can't follow this sentence. Do you mean that humans are not responsible for rising CO2 levels, or that humans have no options for slowing/halting/reversing rising CO2 levels?

Which is the typical right wing line on climate change. 1. It's not happening. 2. Even if it is happening, it's not caused by human activity. 3. Even if it is caused by human activity, there's nothing we can do about it.

Of course, this all makes sense if our secret overlords are dinosaurs in disguise. Take all that carbon out of the ground and put it back into the atmosphere and we'll be back to the conditions when DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH. Suck it, mammals.
Posted by McJulie on October 30, 2012 at 8:57 AM · Report this
Gay Dude for Romney 39
@28: Oh I do read, a lot. I often read Salon, Mother Jones, The Nation, Huffington Post, Daily Kos, AmericaBlog, Daily Beast, Politico, you name it. I always try to read Paul Krugman's NYT columns.
Why? Because I'd really like to read something that would make me want to become a liberal. I mean, after all, it's hard being a minority within a minority. It would make it easier at parties in Seattle. I just have to keep silent unless I want to make a point and aggravate my friends.
But nothing is worked so far.
If any of you have better suggestions and links, I'd love to read them.
Posted by Gay Dude for Romney on October 30, 2012 at 9:02 AM · Report this
Knat 40
@39: You read both Daily Kos and The Nation and still proudly regurgitate Fox talking points? Then you must have missed both of these articles discussing how a study proved watching Fox actually makes you less informed than if you didn't keep up with current events at all. No two ways to read a title like "Study: Watching Fox News Actually Makes You Stupid" (that one's from Rolling Stone) unless you're actually working to be obtuse.

And it's not like those are the only sources. That study was gleefully discussed all over television and the Internet, by people only too happy to have a study to point to whenever one of their dickhead conservative relatives or acquaintances feels the need to spout some bullshit they heard of Fox. So if you keep up with any current media, or regularly chat with anyone that does, you would have heard about it. But then, it seems like you willfully ignore lots of unpleasant things you encounter in your life. Like your conservative candidate considering you less than human, for instance.
Posted by Knat on October 30, 2012 at 11:29 AM · Report this
@37, Actually, my "fucking brains" tell me that higher sea level and warmer oceans cause higher storm surges, and more intense cyclones and a longer hurricane season that increase the probability of a cyclone merging with a nor'easter.
Posted by anon1256 on October 30, 2012 at 11:30 AM · Report this
NotSean 42
@39 You like to find and call bullshit. We all do. It's a fun game.

You read 'liberal' stuff, and find some quantity of BS, and say to yourself 'I knew it! BS right there. F'ing liberals.'
OK fine. Try turning that skill onto your conservative party. See how much BS you find there. Be honest - there's truckloads.

I still find one party to, at least, have a recurring theme of compassion (to a fault), and the other without (to a greater fault).
All else being relatively equal, that difference is how I choose my affiliations.
I think it makes all the difference in the world.
Posted by NotSean on October 30, 2012 at 11:34 AM · Report this
Climate change is happening - look at NYC!!! Science can only deal in probabilities, but its time powerful people like Romney looked at the massive evidence, the trends and the global patterns of warming and realized climate change is real even if its only measurable in probabilities!!!
Posted by amanda1303 on October 30, 2012 at 11:59 AM · Report this
Rotten666 44

There is nothing that unusual about a hurricane blowing into the mid Atlantic in late October (11 times since 1950). The only game changer was the cold air from the north blowing it inland. Couple this with uncanny bad timing (tides) and you get an unprecedented storm surge.

Here are some facts about October Storms...…

Once again, if it was a category 5 (shit, I'll give you a cat 4) hurricane this time of year, then you should feel free to scream that the sky is falling.

If you cry "climate change", and "global warming" at every severe weather event you wind up sounding like the boy who cried wolf.

Posted by Rotten666 on October 30, 2012 at 12:17 PM · Report this
@44, It's not my fault that you need the cataclysm caused by a CAT5 hitting the major met area in the US to understand that both theory and data show global warming fuels extreme weather.
Posted by anon1256 on October 30, 2012 at 1:09 PM · Report this
Rotten666 46

Posted by Rotten666 on October 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM · Report this
yeah sure, after the chicken little imagery, "facepalm" ought to be enough to dismiss the link between climate change and having yet another 100-year event.
Posted by anon1256 on October 30, 2012 at 2:06 PM · Report this
Rotten666 48
Actually, a 60 year event. The last time an October hurricane merged with a cold Canadian front to become an extra-tropical storm it killed 200 people in North America and caused historic flooding in the Carolinas. Hurricane Hazel, 1954. But that was global warming also, right?

Or could it be that while global warming and climate change are real, some storms are just storms? That sometimes a shitty category 1 October storm that hits on average every 6 years happens, through sheer bad luck and coincidence, to become what Sandy became.

Naw, that's not possible, right?
Posted by Rotten666 on October 30, 2012 at 2:29 PM · Report this
100-year recurrence interval is an average, which means one could have 2,3 or no 100-year events in a 100 year period. It is to be seen as the probability that any event will match the magnitude of an event that has 1% chance of occurring in any year.

Pretty much impossible since there is almost no doubt that global warming contributed to Sandy. Although, we don't know exactly how different Sandy would have been without global warming, rise in sea level and sea surface temperature (near record high in the Atlantic this season) increased the height of the storm surge, the amount of rainfall, the breadth of storm front, etc. None of this is speculative.
Posted by anon1256 on October 30, 2012 at 3:28 PM · Report this

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