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Wednesday, November 7, 2012

NOM's Sad Silver Lining

Posted by on Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:00 AM

The National Organization for Marriage got its hateful, bigoted ass handed to it last night—NOM spent millions and in a tweet that has since been disappeared NOM's president Brian Brown predicted that they would win all four marriage measures—but Brown is claiming a silver lining: the defeat of two pro-gay-marriage GOP state senators in New York state. Both lost to Democrats and Democrats may take control of the upper chamber of the New York state legislature as a result.

Um… this is NOM's silver lining? Don't know yet if last night's winning Dems in New York state oppose marriage equality or not. But it's a measure of NOM's desperation that they're out there trying to spin Democrats taking control of New York state senate as some sort of face-saving win. Unless Brian Brown would have us believe that voters in New York retaliated against pro-gay state senators… by electing state senators who are likelier to be even more pro-gay. Because awarding control of the NY state senate to the party of the governor who pushed gay marriage through that same state senate strikes a blow against gay marriage.

Does not compute. Does not compute.

UPDATE: NOM has a longer statement up now. Here's the shorter NOM reaction: when hate wins at the ballot box, it means everything. When love wins at the ballot box, it means nothing.

 

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Sargon Bighorn 1
NOM will be shown to be the KKK of modern times.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on November 7, 2012 at 9:04 AM · Report this
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every time you say maggie gallagher, i hear maggie gyllenhall, and think "yay!" and then "what??!". it's a truly weird case of cognitive dissonance.
Posted by Montdidier on November 7, 2012 at 9:08 AM · Report this
rob! 3
http://thefour2012.com/image/35201508413

Thank you, Washington, for helping establish a West Coast beachhead for marriage equality. Maybe now California can get it right.

And thanks for all the help from the blacks, hispanics, Mormons, grammaws & grandpas, and all the others who voted with us that we might not have thought were in our corner but who no doubt helped make the critical difference this time.
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on November 7, 2012 at 9:12 AM · Report this
NotSean 4
Dan, anyone... Was it manifest-coincidence, or strategy, that the gay-marriage ballot issues appeared in multiple states at the same time... thereby dividing NOM's resources.

I'm curious.

?

Posted by NotSean on November 7, 2012 at 9:14 AM · Report this
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Were those two republicans ones who supported marriage equality in New York? Those republicans had been targeted by NOM and its allies for defeat.
Posted by Reader/Poster on November 7, 2012 at 9:23 AM · Report this
mikethehammer 6
Wonderful. Following Dan's link to that JoeMyGod blog turned up this similarly wonderful gem from Joe, "NOM deleted the "we're gonna win" post that had been at the top of their blog all week, possibly because last night some rotten homofascist blogger repeatedly tweeted its link with an invitation to engage in some end zone ball-spiking in the comments."

Following THAT, I headed over to the NOM site & checked in with their current blog. They've got some sad, predictable press release up saying whatever dumb stuff it is they typically say. And the comments are already once again being overrun by gay-friendly posters. Great times, wonderful!
Posted by mikethehammer on November 7, 2012 at 9:23 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 7
Sartain is the one I find so detestable. He should go live at the Vatican with his puppet master.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on November 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM · Report this
MacCrocodile 8
Oh... bless her heart. Poor little dum-dum.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on November 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM · Report this
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I will be attending the marriage ceremony in December of a couple who have been together over 35 years. This will officially be the first same sex marriage ceremony that will have been performed in our church. I am confident that it will be far from the last.

Thank you to everyone who voted for R74. We now have the freedom to perform religious marriage ceremonies as we see fit in our church without regard for the gender of the people who want to marry.

We are now another step closer to treating everyone equally under the law. Hopefully soon, DOMA will be defeated. After that, eventually, all states will recognise legal marriages. It will happen.
Posted by SeattleKim on November 7, 2012 at 9:33 AM · Report this
danindowntown 10
@ 1 Comparing NOM to the KKK is as reckless as comparing the GOP to the Nazis. NOM is a hate group but last time I checked they were not lynching people out carrying out a systematic campaign of violent terror sharing LGBT people. Over exaggerated comparisons like that serve no useful purpose and paint the person making them a wingnut.

That being said this spin certainly smacks of desperation.
Posted by danindowntown on November 7, 2012 at 9:39 AM · Report this
Rob in Baltimore 11


Here's a NOM spokesman with their official reaction to losing last night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oep4mRpm….

Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on November 7, 2012 at 9:43 AM · Report this
puppydogtails 12
Is there any debate that we have officially won? Gay marriage is now unquestionably an inevitability. On Nov. 20, the Supremes will probably give gay marriage to CA and will unquestionably take up the issue of DOMA for decision next spring. I find it impossible to imagine a scenario where they uphold that hateful law.

So where does that leave us?

I think we better get used to victory. This is awesome. Fantastic. I'm so happy I could explode. Maybe I just did.
Posted by puppydogtails on November 7, 2012 at 9:47 AM · Report this
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@9 I think Maggie and Brian have known that they are on the wrong side of history for a while now.

BTW Maggie is claiming her side was out-spent 8 to 1. Does anyone know if there is any truth to that?
Posted by Ken Mehlman on November 7, 2012 at 9:51 AM · Report this
Sir Vic 14
@12 The weirdest part of that coming SCOTUS decision will be Scalia's scathing rebuke of the NOM folks' arguments. With no corporate interests at stake in the case, he'll be red hot about Equal Protection.
Posted by Sir Vic on November 7, 2012 at 10:00 AM · Report this
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I agree, NOM's math doesn't compute, but I can't celebrate Steve Saland's loss as a win for the Democrats. Saland's stand for gay rights in defiance of his party was a truly magnanimous act, which is rare in modern politics. He didn't represent my district, but it's a sad thing that his constituents decided to punish him for following his heart and doing the right thing.
Posted by LimeLemminkäinen on November 7, 2012 at 10:09 AM · Report this
Fnarf 16
NOM was NEVER important. They have money from a few big donors, that's all -- no base of support at all. A handful of psychos like Gallagher, a smattering of confused elderly people who can't even really follow the conversation, and that's it. Even most marriage opponents find NOM distasteful and unpleasant, I believe. NOM is the best thing that ever happened to equal marriage rights, in other words; if they hadn't existed we would have had to invent them. I mean, seriously, Maggie Gallagher? She's just tragic.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on November 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 17
@10

This is the party that says anti-bullying programs are religious discrimination. They want to defend the right to bully gay kids. To death.

They accuse Barack Obama of being an anti-American sleeper agent.

Sometimes Godwin's Law doesn't apply. Sometimes a major American political party really is kind of sort of actually fascist. It's not like there's some immutable law of the universe that says the GOP can't really be like Nazis. They can, if they choose.

Remember, they lost Senate seats for saying out loud what their party platform says about rape.

Remember, they could have won if they hadn't alienated the Latino vote. W and Karl Rove figured that out years ago, but given the choice between whites-first racism and winning, rank and file Republicans chose racism.

They'd rather be a white-supremacist party permanently in the minority than hold the White House and Senate.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on November 7, 2012 at 10:15 AM · Report this
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R-74 still has to be certified, right? There's still an outside chance that our opponents will overtake us with the uncounted ballots. Here's hoping today's results bury them.

I don't know anything about these crossover Republican New York State senators who defied their base in the interest of the greater good of their constituents. However, as ignorant as I am, a side of me feels pretty sad for them. It seems like politicians who take courageous stands should be rewarded, not punished. This doesn't encourage other Republicans to cooperate with us and vote their conscience.

But I guess it's nice to see that the NOM headhunters got their pound of flesh for their troubles.
Posted by floater on November 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM · Report this
smiller555 19
the tweet may be gone but his hubris shines on: http://www.christianpost.com/news/qa-bri…
Posted by smiller555 http://smiller555.com on November 7, 2012 at 11:12 AM · Report this
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ah.......

*love*
Posted by we can't wait for our government issue of Love... on November 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM · Report this
raggeddog 21
What completely invalidates NOM's argument is the fact that gay marriage lost at the ballot box *in Maine* 3 years ago. So it really is an inevitable rising tide and there's no going back now.
Posted by raggeddog on November 7, 2012 at 11:49 AM · Report this
Doctor Memory 22
@14: uh, re-read Scalia's dissent in Lawrence v Texas before you get too optimistic there. The man flat hates faggots, and he's not shy about expressing it.
Posted by Doctor Memory http://blahg.blank.org on November 7, 2012 at 12:11 PM · Report this
Sandiai 23
Congrats Washington homos!
Posted by Sandiai on November 7, 2012 at 12:25 PM · Report this
Lance Thrustwell 24
@22 - I was thinking that too. Scalia may be smart, but he's not entirely rational. The sooner he leaves, the better.
Posted by Lance Thrustwell on November 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM · Report this
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So Dan, are you now married in Canada AND Washington, or do you need to get re-married in Washington for it to count*?

*count legally, of course - I don't doubt your marriage counted personally a long time ago already...
Posted by juli81 on November 7, 2012 at 1:10 PM · Report this
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I grew up in WA, where my aunts have been together for 35 years. Now they can have the same rights I do! I am bouncing off the walls over here!!! So. Incredibly. Happy.

But now I live in NYC, and am very sad that these Republican senators lost. They totally stuck their necks out for marriage equality, and we were all hoping that if it did not mean political death for them, then other moderate Republicans would also start to support it. A lot of people were watching them. This will slow our inevitable progress. Seriously sucky.

But, yeah. Today rules! Waaahooo!!
Posted by jrl13 on November 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM · Report this
Afreet 27
Does not compute, indeed. But then, if these people had minds capable of rational thought, we wouldn't be having these arguments in the first place. :/
Posted by Afreet on November 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM · Report this
puppydogtails 28
I don't think we'll understand the full repercussions of the GOP defeat for a while. Too much is going on behind the scenes. The knives are out. And I'm hoping Ralph Reed and Tony Perkins taste some of the pain they've been casting around for years. For them, it does NOT get better.
Posted by puppydogtails on November 7, 2012 at 2:32 PM · Report this
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"Comparing NOM to the KKK is as reckless..."

Nonsense. It has been decades since the KKK lynched anyone. They focus on political campaigns and "public debate" and do so a heck of a lot less than NOM and in much less offensive terms.
Posted by BobSF_94117 on November 7, 2012 at 3:00 PM · Report this
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And stupid lost in the ballot box, so I'm feeling the love.
Posted by DRF on November 7, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report this
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@15 - I couldn't agree more. After I saw Saland's speech in favor of gay marriage, I contributed money to his campaign, and a moment ago I sent him an email thanking him for his courageous public service. I am not happy that the Democrats even ran a candidate against him (Cuomo endorsed Saland, not the Democrat). FYI there are still absentee ballots to be counted, and Saland could still win, at least in theory.
Posted by minderbender on November 7, 2012 at 5:29 PM · Report this
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If Maggie and Brian had any integrity, they'd submit their resignations.
Posted by Samuel on November 7, 2012 at 6:26 PM · Report this
Fnarf 33
@32, you're joking, right? This is all they have. It's not just their life's work, it's their only conceivable source of income. I mean, what kind of job could Maggie do? She'd get fired after three days as a greeter at Staples.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on November 7, 2012 at 9:50 PM · Report this
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So what NOM is saying in their statement is that unfettered campaign spending and political cronyism has led to a political result that is at odds with the best interests of the voters?

Interesting...
Posted by houseoftrash on November 7, 2012 at 11:30 PM · Report this
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I guess they can forget about that silver lining in Wisconsin.
Posted by MinnySota on November 8, 2012 at 4:04 AM · Report this

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