Slog

Slog Music

Music, Nightlife,
and Drinks

Friday, November 9, 2012

Anti-Gay Now, Anti-Gay Tomorrow, Anti-Gay Forever!

Posted by on Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Sensible people are saying this:

If Republicans drop their opposition to gay marriage, the chances that Democrats will continue to pick up majorities of new and young voters will diminish. Gay issues are the civil rights issue of the time. Many of these voters see the party's implacable opposition to equal treatment for gays and simply turn away. The GOP is killing itself by giving libertarian-leaning younger voters a reason to think that the party is held hostage by a loud minority.

Rightwing nuts—including the rightwing nut that the GOP asked to write the anti-gay "family" plank in the 2012 Republican Platform—are promising civil disobedience and "revolution" if gay marriage is becomes law. Which has me wondering...

If the GOP drops its opposition to gay marriage—and gay adoption and gay employment protections and gay existence—a huge chunk of the GOP base will revolt. And they'll walk. Then they'll go Dixiecrat on the Republican party's ass. So... who'll be the Republican party's George Wallace, I wonder? My money is on Santorum with Mike Huckabee as his running mate. Any other ideas about who the Homophobican nominee might be in 2016 or 2020?

 

Comments (46) RSS

Oldest First Unregistered On Registered On Add a comment
Confluence 1
Do you seriously have nothing better to do?
Posted by Confluence on November 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM · Report this
2
Herman Cain beat them to it: http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top…
Posted by rmisaac on November 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM · Report this
3
Yup, just look at all the civil unrest and civil disobedience and revolt going in in Maine and Maryland right now. Go for it, Tony. What if you gave a revolution and nobody showed up?
Posted by avast2006 on November 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM · Report this
MacCrocodile 4
@1 - Welcome to the club.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on November 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM · Report this
ArtBasketSara 5
@1 Was that question directed at yourself?
Posted by ArtBasketSara on November 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM · Report this
6
How do you have civil disobedience to gay marriage? Not getting gay married? Not getting straight married? Divorcing your wife?
Posted by LadyAlice on November 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM · Report this
7
Could it be the prelude to a true three- (or more) party system? Evangelical/socially conservative base splinters into Right-wing Nutcakes United, leaving the GOP to refashion itself as Libertarian Lite?
Posted by jennyserene on November 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 8
Not to worry, because they're also never going to budge on abortion either. They're digging quite a hole for themselves.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on November 9, 2012 at 11:05 AM · Report this
9
If you want a leader of a crazy fringe group bent on hate I think Michelle Bachman has it locked up. I understand why she dose not want gay marriage, she is in one.
Posted by fmtampaguy on November 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM · Report this
10
I never understand how people do not see when they will soon and forever be on the wrong side of history.
Posted by BobCumbers on November 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM · Report this
11
Yes he does! And he is doing it right now with this post. He is bringing to mind the similarities between the African American Civil Rights Movement and the LGBT Civil Rights Movement. If you can't see the importance and implications of it to the future of the US, I can only say that you are a complete moron, Confluence.
Posted by Sergio on November 9, 2012 at 11:11 AM · Report this
12
If Tony Perkins and his ilk attempt to perpetrate a "revolution," it will be put down. Swiftly. I'll pop popcorn.
Posted by SazeracLA on November 9, 2012 at 11:14 AM · Report this
13
Dan, hi. It's Wayne Self over at Owldolatrous. I'm not convinced it has to be this way. There are plenty of things that Evangelical Christians used to be absolutely opposed to, but now hardly ever mention: women cutting their hair, stores being open on Sunday, dancing, alcohol, etc.

The Bible that they follow is no more absolutist on the subject of LGBT equality than it is on any of those other things. Evangelical Christians found a way to be okay with women wearing pants, for example; they can find a way to be okay with gays. There's plenty of scriptural and social "cover" for them, if we give them the opportunity to use it.

Not that there wouldn't be SOME revolt, and not that it would happen immediately, but it could, and sooner than we might expect, as the old guard begins to die off.

Thanks. For lots.

-Wayne
Posted by WayneSelf-Owldolatrous on November 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM · Report this
14
"If Republicans drop their opposition to gay marriage, the chances that Democrats will continue to pick up majorities of new and young voters will diminish."

So they become the party of God, guns and gays?
I don't think so.
Maybe just tax cuts, guns and gay?

More likely they'll push for the Hispanic/Latino vote by finally doing something reasonable about immigration reform.
But that's going to be difficult for them to get past the "they're taking our jobs!" mantra of the past.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on November 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM · Report this
CO_Carmen 15
"Santorum with Mike Huckabee as his running mate" - I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Posted by CO_Carmen on November 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM · Report this
Hernandez 16
Bachmann/Perkins 2020

(I'm guessing the nutters will take one last stab at GOP relevancy in 2016)
Posted by Hernandez http://hernandezlist.blogspot.com on November 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM · Report this
17
If people are so concerned about gay marriage undermining traditional marriage -- why aren't they also protesting divorce? Adultery? 48 hour celebrity marriages?

Sham marriages -- a-ok.

Loving same-sex union -- threat to straight couples everywhere!
Posted by TheLetterG on November 9, 2012 at 11:19 AM · Report this
18
Dan, hi. It's Wayne Self over at Owldolatrous. I'm not convinced it has to be this way. There are plenty of things that Evangelical Christians used to be absolutely opposed to, but now hardly ever mention: women cutting their hair, stores being open on Sunday, dancing, alcohol, etc.

The Bible that they follow is no more absolutist on the subject of LGBT equality than it is on any of those other things. Evangelical Christians found a way to be okay with women wearing pants, for example; they can find a way to be okay with gays. There's plenty of scriptural and social "cover" for them, if we give them the opportunity to use it.

Not that there wouldn't be SOME revolt, and not that it would happen immediately, but it could, and sooner than we might expect, as the old guard begins to die off.

Thanks. For lots.

-Wayne
Posted by WayneSelf-Owldolatrous on November 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM · Report this
ryanayr 19
Chris Barron, With Jimmy LaSalvia as VP
Posted by ryanayr on November 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM · Report this
tallnamaste 20
Takes the Senate a long time to act on a bill. Guess this one was a victim of election gridlock or may be buried somewhere in a subcommittee. It's worth a shot to write your U. S. Senator and check on its status. Either that or waiting on the U.S Supreme Court Defense of Marriage Act case in this year's docket. Maryland, Maine and Washington had victories in same-sex marriage initiatives.

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) introduced the Respect for Marriage Act of 2011 (S.598) on March 16, 2011. This measure would repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, which was signed into law by President Clinton in 1996 and bans federal recognition of same-sex marriages. S. 598 currently awaits consideration by the full Senate.
Posted by tallnamaste on November 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM · Report this
21
If Tony Perkins and his ilk attempt to perpetrate a "revolution," it will be put down. Swiftly. I'll pop popcorn.

@19 -- Er, no.
Posted by SazeracLA on November 9, 2012 at 11:31 AM · Report this
Lose-Lose 22
I don't think Huckabee would be so stupid (but that might be just because of his multiple appearances on the Colbert Report). I think the Homophobican ticket will pull a Palin, a blatant attempt to attract women voters by offering the shallowest, stupidest woman as VP candidate. Bachmann is perfect for this role.
Posted by Lose-Lose on November 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM · Report this
23
How about Michele Bachman as top and Rick Santorum as bottom...

...of the ticket, of course.
Posted by Clayton on November 9, 2012 at 11:35 AM · Report this
24
When George Wallace made that statement he was a Democrat.

The Democratic Party purged itself of his flavor of vile, and it cost them the presidency for a couple of terms. Eventually even he came around, and the Democratic Party did, you know, kinda OK after that.

The difference was that there was a sizable faction of non-bigots in the Democratic Party at the time. So maybe people who want to see further progress on this ought to encourage that fraction of the GOP (which isn't nobody, it's just intimidated by the religious zealots) by supporting non-loony Republicans instead of automatically attacking every Republican as a bigot and homophobe just for the label "Republican".

You could, for instance, treat the Log Cabin Republicans as insurgents in the enemy camp rather than traitors to yours.

Reasonable, tolerant people need to take back the name "Republican". You can help. Right now you aren't.
Posted by vanillaspice on November 9, 2012 at 11:36 AM · Report this
25
Ryan / Palin 2016!!!!
Posted by SMBennett on November 9, 2012 at 11:42 AM · Report this
26
I'm one of the gay-friendly, responsible-gun-ownership-respecting, fiscally-conservative young persons they're turning off. If the GOP implodes like this in 2016, and the Dems run a sensible, serious center-left candidate like Hillary Clinton, I'm yours. Swing for the left and run Warren or somebody like that, I'm not interested in that nut fight.
Posted by Schorschi on November 9, 2012 at 11:44 AM · Report this
bleedingheartlibertarian 27
I love it when the right wingnuts hint about an insurrection. It reminds me of many people in our military are young and not white.
Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on November 9, 2012 at 11:45 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 28
I'm not interested in telling Republicans how to play nice so they can win. I like nothing about their party and it's frozen in time ideology.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on November 9, 2012 at 11:45 AM · Report this
29
Now that gay marriage is compulsory, I thinking would be hilarious for Rick Santorum to "take" Mike Huckabee as his running "mate"...
Posted by Steve Dorner on November 9, 2012 at 11:47 AM · Report this
puppydogtails 30
This is what I love about all this. The anti-gay GOP base is simultaneously 1) opposed to gay civil rights and 2) irate that we aren't focusing on "real" issues, wasting our time on the silly homosexuals. So how ironic would it be if the GOP embraced gay marriage and forced the haters to live, breathe and sleep the GAY 24/7? It would be like living in the American Horror Story asylum with "Dominique" playing on a loop.
Posted by puppydogtails on November 9, 2012 at 11:54 AM · Report this
31
I hope they hold onto their agenda - just keep it up with the gay bashing, and the Latino scapegoating and the 47%ing and all the other ignorant, hateful stone aged nonsense, until they put themselves right where they belong, smack in the center of irrelevance
Posted by spliffster on November 9, 2012 at 12:08 PM · Report this
COMTE 32
The problem is that the modern GOP can't attract one constituency without completely alienating the other; if they go "pro-Gay", they lose the fundies; if they go "pro-minority" they lose the white bigots, and it's unlikely that in either scenario they would gain more supporters than they would lose, so they still end up being the minority party.

The only way the GOP can return to real relevance is to drop social issues from their platform altogether and concentrate almost exclusively on fiscal issues; they'll lose social conservatives, but they might gain enough fiscal conservatives who currently self-ID as Libertarian or Independent to make up the difference.

But the problem with the above scenario is that the GOP leadership is currently stacked with social conservatives who are at least politically savvy enough to recognize that splintering off into a third party won't gain them anything; and in point of fact they'll lose most of their power & insider prestige as a result. They'd rather be the top dogs in a political organization that still wields some modicum of influence on the national stage, rather than become the leaders of what would essentially become an also-ran regional party with little or no political influence at all.
Posted by COMTE on November 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM · Report this
33
I still don't understand how the gop reconciles "we're the party of freedom" with"you can't get married" and "you can't have an abortion".
Posted by sanotehu on November 9, 2012 at 12:13 PM · Report this
bleedingheartlibertarian 34
If there were 16 Republicans in the House with some sense and some balls, they could repeal DOMA.

Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on November 9, 2012 at 12:15 PM · Report this
35
I've seen/heard this Wallace clip before, of course, but this time, the segregation=freedom thing really jumped out. Holy disconnect, Batman!.
Posted by Pablo Picasso on November 9, 2012 at 12:16 PM · Report this
OutInBumF 36
@24- Why treat any Quisling as anything but a traitor to GLBT's and our quest for equal treatment under the law in America? You confuse me, as do the LogCabinettes and the GOPoopers.
When in a fight for one's life, as the Republican platform makes clear that LGBT citizens are, one doesn't compromise with folks embracing that hateful and hate-filled pile of butt-wipe paper.
Posted by OutInBumF on November 9, 2012 at 12:23 PM · Report this
Mattini 37
What's the GOP to do? Dropping their anti-gay, anti-woman platform is the only feasible long term strategy, but if they do it now they fracture the party and lose their base. Such is life, I suppose, when your party base is batshit crazy.
Posted by Mattini on November 9, 2012 at 12:35 PM · Report this
merry 38
Palin will just have to step up and lead her people (and they are most definitely her people) to their promised lily-white missionary-position anti-everything FundieLand...

After all, she can see it from her porch... It's soooo close...

Posted by merry on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 39
@6 They hold their breath until they turn blue.

@24 Thanks for the historical context, but this is completely different. As others have pointed out, Team Rape has painted themselves into a huge corner. They can't budge from their entrenched positions. There isn't a big factional divide in their ranks. There maybe a group that is "fiscally conservative yet socially liberal," but those folks have already left, been driven out, or are sitting out. What we'll see over the next four years is chaos among the right. They can't give up who they are, and they must give up who they are.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on November 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM · Report this
40
@32:

And the problem with Republican fiscal policy is that it has nothing to do with reality and much, much more to do with increasing their campaign funding. There hasn't been a Republican budget surplus in 40 years. Not a single person in the GOP is even old enough to know what that means. Instead, they're all about massive military spending while cutting taxes, resulting in enormous deficits.

Which means there's *literally* no reason to vote R. They are completely out to lunch on every issue.
Posted by gromm on November 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM · Report this
sissoucat 41
Palin is cooked. She can't run for anything anymore.

Media handled her with kid gloves previously, but any serious running of her would explode into so many scandals (her fake pregnancy, her unmarried daughter's numerous real pregnancies, and her husband's prostitution ring are just the top of the moose shit) that she can't move one inch now.

Ever wondered why she quit half-term in 2009 ? She probably was pushed out, in exchange for discretion. Can't have a GOP former VP candidate's husband been thrown in jail for prostitution, it would have looked so bad... especially to Fundies.
Posted by sissoucat on November 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM · Report this
42
What about Crazy Eyes Michelle Bachmann and her big ol' queen of a husband, Marcus?
Posted by MinnySota on November 9, 2012 at 6:03 PM · Report this
43
I strongly believe in gay rights but I'm also a fiscal conservative. I'm exactly the sort of young person the fundies are driving away. As long as the Republican party is the evangelical nutjob party, I will never vote for them. Every time I meet a conflicted person, for example somebody pro-gun but also pro-civil freedom, I encourage them to vote for any party other than Republican. It doesn't help that Republicans can's even do fiscal conservatism correctly either.
Posted by TheLastComment on November 10, 2012 at 11:15 AM · Report this
44
The party of fiscal conservatism is definitely not the Republicans. After Bush's 8 years, they forfeited that claim. How much $$$ was poured down the drain for an unnecessary war in Iraq? We're talking billions, folks. How much $$$ were lost for an unnecessary tax cut for the uber-rich?

Let the Republicans continue down their path to oblivion. I have no problem with that.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on November 10, 2012 at 5:48 PM · Report this
45
@31:
I hope the Republicans moderate, as I don't think they're going away, and as the Democrats must eventually fuck up badly enough (or just be seriously unlucky), if only because we're all too human, and at that point the country drops into the lap of whatever the Republicans are at that point...and if they're seriously nuts at that point, they might even be at the point of acting to prevent its ever leaving their control---the Iranian theocrats had to prevail over their fellow-revolutionary liberals and communists just once.
Posted by Gerald Fnord on November 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM · Report this
46
The Republicans are secretly hoping to have the issue settled for them, so they can just forget about it without ever changing publicly their mind.

They know perfectly well that once marriage is legal in a jurisdiction it becomes a complete non-issue.
Posted by RealityBites on November 12, 2012 at 10:14 AM · Report this

Add a comment

Advertisement
 

Want great deals and a chance to win tickets to the best shows in Seattle? Join The Stranger Presents email list!


All contents © Index Newspapers, LLC
1535 11th Ave (Third Floor), Seattle, WA 98122
Contact | Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Takedown Policy