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Friday, December 7, 2012

"How Freakin Dare You?????"

Posted by on Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Seattle Marc writes (bolds mine):

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I have never been more insulted in my life.

This week’s cover exemplifies the anti-gay position more so than ANYTHING I have ever seen from them.

Maybe you thought it was “cute” in some extraordinarily perverted way, but you post that cover while the Seattle Times has a cover that makes gay people proud.

I can only wait to see how many gay organizations or organizations supportive of equal rights nail your collective asses to the wall. I can hardly wait for the ensuing lawsuits, justifiable lawsuits at that. What’s next?....A cover proclaiming Hitler was right??

Thanks for ridiculing and belittling the work of your forebearers, fucking little snots.

(I never use profanities, but I have glanced through the Stranger enough to know that you consider them the epitome of intelligent expression, while the rest of us just realize they show your uneducated ignorance and inability to formulate coherent thoughts using a proper vocabulary. And let's face it, without the word fuck somewhere, you would not be able to even try to pay attention to anything else said, because gutter talk (and as per your cover, apprarently [sic] thinking) is your stock and trade.)

With "friends" like you, who needs enemies? Old saying, but seriously true in this case. I am just bracing for your cover to go viral on all the anti-gay sites, and the equal rights people to jump down your throats. I haven't spent 40+ years of addressing discrimination to see you pipsqueaks load the ammo into the opposition's guns.

Marc

 

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Fenrox 1
Sigh, a super common problem. Lots of gay dudes are shell shocked right now. They think this equality fight is a war. All the suicides, stupid GOP positions and beatings are giving them a fearful mediadome. Oh well, we all gots our crazies, right?
Posted by Fenrox on December 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM · Report this
sperifera 2
Dear Seattle Marc: Please use teh Google, and put in any of the following words - parody, sarcasm, irony, Santorum, youreanasshat

Thanks for playing.
Posted by sperifera on December 7, 2012 at 11:58 AM · Report this
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I'd like to weigh in, but I'm more of a bird law expert. -- Charlie Kelly
Posted by Fr0zt on December 7, 2012 at 11:59 AM · Report this
MacCrocodile 4
I like how every single letter you get seems to include a discussion on the appropriateness of the word "fuck".

PS - You are a poopy-head, and I'm going to tell your mom about this.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on December 7, 2012 at 11:59 AM · Report this
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. That is all.
Posted by NateMan on December 7, 2012 at 12:01 PM · Report this
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I have to agree with Marc. You guys are fuckheads. That is the stupidest, shittiest cover you could ever use. I am now totally lacking any respect for your art direction and editorial processes.

Face it, the obvious thing for Dan to do would be to make your name a joke, though you may have beaten him to it.

Fucktards.
Posted by John D on December 7, 2012 at 12:05 PM · Report this
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Poor Snowflake. Haters gotta hate.
Posted by originalcinner on December 7, 2012 at 12:05 PM · Report this
David Schmader 8
I really don't think there's asshattery at play here. He seems like an older gay guy with PTSD from the bad old days, who's mistaking a joke that's not to his liking with a hate crime.
Posted by David Schmader on December 7, 2012 at 12:06 PM · Report this
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Marc's case of the vapors notwithstanding, the cover really was inappropariate this week. Boo.
Posted by Mason on December 7, 2012 at 12:07 PM · Report this
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Hee hee! Poor Marc. Though I do wish this week's cover had been about us (and our unadulterated joy!) rather than focusing on the opposition. But whaddya gonna do? It's 11th & Pine.
Posted by gloomy gus on December 7, 2012 at 12:08 PM · Report this
Garfield 11
The Stranger: offending decent citizens since 1991.
This guy must be a newbie.
Posted by Garfield on December 7, 2012 at 12:10 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 12
Gay men and a sense of humor and/or perspective are like gay men and good taste: When they don't have it, they REALLY don't have it.

I remember back when I was working with an all-volunteer AIDS charity. Someone (not me) printed up a press release or flyer or something that spelled "HIV/AIDS" as "hiv/Aids". It was a complete typo, done by a volunteer.

Well. You would have thought that the world had ended, based on a phone call I took from some distraught "advocate", who went on for fifteen minutes about how we had "set back the movement" (seriously).

This was back in the pre-Stranger days, when the only publication that would even remotely consider printing anything we did was the Seattle Gay News, which was itself a celebration of bad spelling and grammar, so between us and the SGN, I think complaining must have been a full-time job for this fellow.

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on December 7, 2012 at 12:11 PM · Report this
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Im not a hater. I get the sarcasm behind it but I do think that you probably could have put a better photo on the cover. This just really isnt appropriate (expected? necessary?)for a paper that does hold gay people in usually high regard. I guess I am a little surprised and disappointed. I understand the joke. I just dont think it is that funny.
Posted by Steve W on December 7, 2012 at 12:11 PM · Report this
a.m. stallings 14
Bonus points for Godwin's Law in full effect!
Posted by a.m. stallings http://arielmeadow.com on December 7, 2012 at 12:11 PM · Report this
NaFun 15
Too bad for him. I lol'd.

Posted by NaFun http://www.dancesafe.org on December 7, 2012 at 12:12 PM · Report this
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I hit refresh and saw this attitude explained away as being "an older gay guy with PTSD from the bad old days." I'm clearly younger than Marc (since his 40 years of activism means he started before I hit puberty). I'm a little older than Dan Savage, who started a campaign to redefine "Santorum" after the then senator compared gay relationships to "man on dog sex."

I had heard that Rick Santorum had gone to work as a columnist for a right-wing Christianist website. Is he moonlighting as the Stranger's art director?

I don't agree with Marc that lawsuits are inevitable (over what?). However, I think the staff of The Stranger should be ashamed. I look forward to Dan weighing in on this.
Posted by John D on December 7, 2012 at 12:12 PM · Report this
blip 17
He really over-played his hand with that Hitler reference. The impending lawsuit(s) should be enough to ruin your weekend, and also financially destroy you forever.
Posted by blip on December 7, 2012 at 12:12 PM · Report this
Jeffrey in Chicago 18
To be fair, it is a pretty stupid cover.
Posted by Jeffrey in Chicago http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf on December 7, 2012 at 12:14 PM · Report this
TVDinner 19
I'd like to give Seattle Marc a hug. He's earned the right to be piqued. But, oh goodness, I don't think I'd like to be stuck in the corner with him at a cocktail party.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on December 7, 2012 at 12:15 PM · Report this
Zebes 20
I think he has a point, though. You guys should do a cover story about how Hitler was right- and not left, like many conservatives suggest he was.
Posted by Zebes http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.html on December 7, 2012 at 12:16 PM · Report this
monkey 21
Missed opportunity to celebrate something a lot of us never thought we'd see in our lifetimes. This cover would be funny any other week than this. Oh well.
Posted by monkey on December 7, 2012 at 12:17 PM · Report this
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@8 As a older gay guy, FUCK YOU and your assinine PTSD comment, and fuck the Stranger for printing such an offensive bullshit piece of crap. FUCK YOU.

Stranger link deleted.
Posted by daveb604 on December 7, 2012 at 12:18 PM · Report this
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Birch? Is that you?
Posted by ohthetrees on December 7, 2012 at 12:19 PM · Report this
24
my, my. people sure do like to have "opinions" about "things".
Posted by Adrian Ryan on December 7, 2012 at 12:19 PM · Report this
David Schmader 25
(Also, I love the cover.)
Posted by David Schmader on December 7, 2012 at 12:19 PM · Report this
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Imagine the anger if this was a woman and a goat!!
Posted by cliche on December 7, 2012 at 12:22 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 27
Heeelarious cover AND response!
Posted by Pope Peabrain on December 7, 2012 at 12:23 PM · Report this
28
Oh honey! Lighten up! This pushing 50 year old faggot thinks that cover is HILARIOUS. :-)
Posted by Mike Friedman on December 7, 2012 at 12:23 PM · Report this
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I kind of thought the goat cover was equivalent to Garfunkel and Oates's "Sex with Ducks" song. It requires one to negate a trope by ironically appropriating it. I saw it, chuckled, and forgot about it. Meanwhile the photos of same sex couples getting their licenses linger with me in a warm and fuzzy way. If I had to make a choice between looking at pictures of loving couples basking in a civil rights victory or a visual joke like the Stranger cover, I'd go with the loving couples.
Posted by Ryan Boudinot on December 7, 2012 at 12:23 PM · Report this
David Schmader 30
(Also, for what it's worth, I consider myself an older gay guy with PTSD from the bad old days, too.)
Posted by David Schmader on December 7, 2012 at 12:23 PM · Report this
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To be fair, you guys are fucking little snots. God bless ya.
Posted by Westside forever on December 7, 2012 at 12:24 PM · Report this
ratatosk 32
I liked the cover. I thought it was tweaking the haters.
Posted by ratatosk on December 7, 2012 at 12:24 PM · Report this
Original Andrew 33
Hitler was right

Well, there's next week's cover.

My biggest concern is that they Hawtie McHawterson guy in the photo might not be gay. He's st8, isn't he? Dental-dammitall.
Posted by Original Andrew on December 7, 2012 at 12:26 PM · Report this
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Yeah, that was a little strong reaction, but really, this is the Stranger's most common problem --- being in love with your own jokes ... you folks think this is funny and ironic and cute, and really it's just juvenile and lame. C'mon Stranger you can do better.
Posted by growup on December 7, 2012 at 12:26 PM · Report this
Callie 35
@3 for the win.
Also, as a 30 yo, straight, female, LGBT rights supporter I wondered about the cover myself. Obviously it doesn't offend me, but I thought to myself "this is exactly the kind of fodder we shouldn't be handing to the conservatives." They do a handy enough job of the hysteria all on their own. I'm fully with @21.
Posted by Callie http://www.facebook.com/Klosetnerd on December 7, 2012 at 12:27 PM · Report this
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Totally realizing that the Stranger likes to make a point of pushing the envelope, and that the paper was originally intended as a snarky mockery of the S. Weekly, AND that I often can and do appreciate the staff's sarcastic humour... I was offended by the cover. Extremely inappropriate and untimely. Off-handedly dismissing the gentleman's complaint because you might be too hip and young to remember times when people couldn't come out of the closet without facing violence--much less equal rights, only serves to elucidate your neglect of learning your own nation's history, struggles--and how fragile victories can be even after achieved. Acknowledging someone's hurt is just as easy as mocking them, and so much ever more altruistic. Agreed the gentleman could've been less abrasive with his reaction and sentiments. But the cover is entirely reproachable, offensive, and WITHOUT CLASS.
Posted by Sympathetic to the hurt on December 7, 2012 at 12:28 PM · Report this
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"I haven't spent 40+ years of addressing discrimination to see you pipsqueaks load the ammo into the opposition's guns."

Yeah, I don't think you're a very good ally.
Posted by you come off a crank on December 7, 2012 at 12:28 PM · Report this
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wasn't it just pokin fun at the chicken littles? http://www.flickr.com/photos/soggydan/82…
Posted by soggydan on December 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM · Report this
bleedingheartlibertarian 39
I laughed out loud on the street when I saw it. I thought it was HILARIOUS.

But I'm just a queer-loving straight dude. YMMV.
Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on December 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM · Report this
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See, the way I read this is that this guy's offering you the statutory $10K when you immediately win the anti-SLAPP portion of his upcoming lawsuits. You people should be thanking him for his generous future donation.
Posted by Sean on December 7, 2012 at 12:30 PM · Report this
treacle 41
My dear old British Mum used to say that it was clear America was still a "teenager" in portent and understanding. Irony and sarcasm are relatively complex concepts, so it doesn't surprise me one whit that someone from the 'bad old days' of the gay rights era does not appreciate the irony and sarcasm laden in the cover photo.

I think its hilarious, although I can see how it might "give ammo" to the haters. It would be interesting to see if you could actually track that, the ammo bit.

However, it would have been happier/more celebratory to print a photo of near-newlyweds.

But, in sum, I'd like to say: Feh.
Posted by treacle on December 7, 2012 at 12:34 PM · Report this
fletc3her 42
I guess I focused on the "Welcome, Gay Marriage!" message and less on the actual picture. Perfectly good opportunity for outrage wasted.

I think the cover can read as offensive, but one has to be completely unaware of the Stranger's advocacy over the last year in favor of gay marriage to read it that way.
Posted by fletc3her on December 7, 2012 at 12:37 PM · Report this
Akbar Fazil 43
To quote Tim Minchin..."fucking homos....they just don't get irony"
Posted by Akbar Fazil on December 7, 2012 at 12:38 PM · Report this
MacCrocodile 44
Fuck! You've driven away daveb604! That's the last fucking straw you fucking fucks. I'm going to wear pants to Slog Happy tonight, that's how much I hate you now, you shitbutts.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on December 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM · Report this
45
Count me as another old homo-with-PTSD from the Bad Old Days who loved the cover. A gay-marrying old homo in fact!
Posted by drawn on December 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM · Report this
46
Sometimes you have to examine whether the criticism is worse than the offense, seriously. We have to get away from this bullshit. An ironic joke won't do the damage to material rights and benefits that calling your allies nasty names will. This publication put a lot of work into this victory. I'm a Californian, but donated to approve 74 because I read the Stranger. At some point you have to decide whether you want linguistic purity OR YOU WANT A MOVEMENT!
Posted by LukeJoe on December 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM · Report this
DOUG. 47
I think this week (of all weeks) Dan Savage can do whatever the fuck he wants and doesn't have to answer to anybody about it.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on December 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM · Report this
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So the Stranger has a history of defending Gay Rights? Check - yes they do. Thank you Stranger staff for that.

This is "obvious" satire? - Obvious to who?

The real question I have is if this exact same layout with photo's was on Fox News would ANY of us be laughing? Would it still be satire? Just because Fox News and the Onion cover the same stories doesn't make them both satire.

Based on my belief that this story can easily be taken out of context and used as a weapon in the fight for gay rights I have to wonder how much thought was put into the consequences.
Posted by Kelly L on December 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 49
The "Black Face" discussion of a few days ago comes to mind now. Black face is no more racist than it's Homophobic to have a Guy marry a goat. Or they are both ugly statements. Pick one.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on December 7, 2012 at 12:55 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 50
48 comments in one hour? Nice work, Cienna.
Posted by Matt from Denver on December 7, 2012 at 12:59 PM · Report this
MacCrocodile 51
@48 - Believe it or not, the source does matter. If Fox News put this cover everywhere, they'd look ridiculous for trying to make a big deal of it. That's pretty much what they already do. We can't spend all day worrying what Fox News is going to misconstrue. Let the haters hate.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on December 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM · Report this
ArtBasketSara 52
I'm really not sure how this cover could be used as "ammo" by anyone opposing gay rights. I suppose they could be all like "see, see! those liberal homos don't take marriage seriously" but...I don't know. Haven't they already used/made up all the ammo available?

Who can take this cover seriously? Really... Lawsuits?? Gosh.
Posted by ArtBasketSara on December 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM · Report this
53
The worries exressed about this cover sound uncomfortably like "You shouldn't dress that way because you're just inviting rapists."
Posted by sarah70 on December 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM · Report this
reverend dr dj riz 54
i dunno.. i thought goat fucking was a straight thing
Posted by reverend dr dj riz on December 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM · Report this
55
Yeah, Marc, we get it. But the goat is kinda hot, ain't he?
Posted by Mister G on December 7, 2012 at 1:18 PM · Report this
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middle aged housewife. broadway neighborhood activist. a lifetime of hoping for marriage equality. got the joke. like the cover.
Posted by go bulldogs on December 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM · Report this
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@48, No, it wouldn't be the same if Fox News used this picture. Context is important. But the context is there, ingrained into the picture. It says "the Stranger" across the top, and "WELCOME GAY MARRIAGE" across the bottom. Just because a statement can be taken out of context doesn't mean that you shouldn't say it.
Posted by Ruke on December 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM · Report this
blip 58
I am proud and grateful that gay rights have reached the point where we have the luxury of bickering over a dumb joke, even if it comes at the expense of completely destroying my faith in humanity. In a couple years I will probably wonder if it was all worth it, but for now I am going to savor this moment.
Posted by blip on December 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM · Report this
Jaymz 59
I don't love the cover - seems a bit pathetic actually, like trying to recaptured a younger, edgier The Stranger but doesn't quite make it for me. If you're going there, go all the way, like instead of a goat use a canned ham or a male blow-up porn doll or at least a dolphin....
Posted by Jaymz on December 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM · Report this
Unregistered User 60
Lots of opinions SEEMS LIKE A POLL IS IN ORDER
Posted by Unregistered User on December 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM · Report this
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@6, @9, @13, @22: Jesus Christ on a cracker! Go get laid, get gay married and smoke some legal pot.
Posted by JimmyCap on December 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM · Report this
Jaymz 62
Amen to @60 - exactly!
Posted by Jaymz on December 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM · Report this
63
Seattle Marc needs to watch Jingle Goats, and chill.
Posted by originalcinner on December 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM · Report this
pfffter 64
I laughed when I saw it and then just kinda shook my head.

It's in poor taste but so is John Waters, and I love him.

Whaddyagonnado? I hope Marc gets over it soon. There are bigger things to kvetch about than the stranger cover.
Posted by pfffter on December 7, 2012 at 1:42 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 65
Marc ALMOST makes a valid point but when he threw out the "Hitler Card" and then used "pipsqueaks" he lost all credibility.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on December 7, 2012 at 1:49 PM · Report this
DickDave 66
My first stop for uplifting and memorable photos has always been the cover of The Stranger. But no more, I tells ya! No more!
Posted by DickDave on December 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM · Report this
67
Cover boy is hella gay I promise! Take it from me I am him.
Posted by Philoscop on December 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM · Report this
ScrawnyKayaker 68
@48 Yes, this is "obvious" satire.

Yes, Poe's Law says we have and will see this sort of thing stated seriously. And yes, those of us WITH A FUCKING BRAIN will laugh at it then, too.

Remember that Wacko Nuns From Hell video that made the rounds a couple of months ago, about how "contracepting" (not a real word) women smell wrong and turn men gay? That was hilarious!

The idea that people who believe that might vote, not so much, but those are not the same thing.

A parody of that video? Yes, please.
Posted by ScrawnyKayaker on December 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM · Report this
scary tyler moore 69
schmadie, isn't this an unused still from some albee play?
Posted by scary tyler moore http://pushymcshove.blogspot.com/ on December 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM · Report this
STJA 70
Isn't this rubbing it in the face of the conservative fucktards who were equating gay relationships with bestiality? How could you think this was serious?
Posted by STJA on December 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 71
@ 65, you're saying that Marc would have had a valid point if he just avoided saying "Hitler" and "pipsqueaks"?

No, he wouldn't. He says this:

I am just bracing for your cover to go viral on all the anti-gay sites, and the equal rights people to jump down your throats.


He's still treating the anti-gay sites as though they are something other than a laughable fringe. Which is what they are becoming, now that voters are enacting marriage equality at the ballot box.

I'm going to make a fearless prediction and say that this cover won't go viral at all, or be used by the bigots in any way. They'll understand something that Marc and others don't - that this cover is a joke at their expense. Marc actually fears that they're going to say "SEE? WE TOLD YOU THAT BESTIALITY WAS NEXT!" That's as far from valid as can be.

I think Schmader nailed it @ 8. I won't downplay the trauma Marc has undoubtedly suffered in the struggle for LGBT equality, but it doesn't make his point anywhere near valid.
Posted by Matt from Denver on December 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM · Report this
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@68 Thank you for your respectful disagreement. "Obviously" I have no brain. Sorry NO FUCKING BRAIN.

How long have you been on the front lines of gay rights? Where were you when Anita Bryant declared homosexuals were sex starved perverts not worthy of human dignity? Where were you while Ronald Reagan ignored AIDS and too many of my generation died in the prime of their lives?

I have seen our rights stolen from us in the heart of victory too many times to sit idly by while jokes are made that strike at our very souls. I was half way through my military career when DADT and DOMA were enacted as law. I'm grateful DADT is dead and look forward to the funeral of DOMA, but that's not a done deal.

So yes this must mean I HAVE NO FUCKING BRAIN because I didn't laugh and won't laugh at this rehashing of the same hateful ignorance spoken by a United States Senator in his official capacity as an elected official from the state of Pennsylvania. A voiced opinion that was so out of the mainstream of American thought that the man was the runner up in the most recent Republican Presidential Nomination.

So no, I don't see the humor in parroting the calumnious comparison between homosexuality and bestiality.

Prop 8 passed just 4 years ago in our most liberal state, and now, just because a small minority of people TODAY understand that our rights are worthy of protection doesn't mean it is set in stone.

There are only 9 votes that matter in the immediate future. 8 of them are probably evenly divided leaving a single lone vote of one American to decide not just Gay Marriage but the dignity of an entire class of American citizens. I'm not willing to bet that Justice Kennedy will see this cover and laugh thinking how wrong he was. I would rather HE not be encouraged to compare my love life with fucking a goat.

Once again thanks for the respectful consideration of my opinion.
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Posted by Kelly L on December 7, 2012 at 2:22 PM · Report this
Cook 73
@67: heyyyyyyyyy hottie
Posted by Cook on December 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 74
@Matt in Denver...re-read my post and you will be able to answer your own question.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on December 7, 2012 at 2:26 PM · Report this
very bad homo 75
I thought it was cute, but I'm missing the "Get offended by every little thing" gene.
Posted by very bad homo on December 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM · Report this
76
Sometimes you show how ridiculous the other side's bullshit arguments are by embracing them—just for a moment—and pretending that they're true.

I though the cover was funny—not because it insults gay people, but because it insults people who insult gay people (and who insult the intelligence of all).

That's all I got.
Posted by Dan Savage on December 7, 2012 at 2:30 PM · Report this
77
There are so many things you could have done with the cover. This is probably not what I would have selected, but honestly I don't read The Stranger for the cover as I generally don't think they're interesting.
Posted by whoever on December 7, 2012 at 2:31 PM · Report this
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@76 - Dan. I'm so very happy that you and your partner were able to finally get a marriage license. I wish I could be at the Q Sunday night to celebrate with you both.

Congrats.
Posted by Kelly L on December 7, 2012 at 2:37 PM · Report this
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Marc, i think your fervent comment and the general response proves the artistic value of this weeks Stranger cover.

The question must be then if The Stranger's cover is the place for art or a place for a reflection of the of the (unfaltering lgbt supporting) content?
Posted by jacobaudrey on December 7, 2012 at 2:40 PM · Report this
vavavarooooom 80
I have to say that I think Marc was over the top, but I agree that the cover was tasteless and I was turned off as soon as I saw it. I get the joke, but why not celebrate instead of highlighting one of the worst arguments against equality??
Posted by vavavarooooom on December 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM · Report this
Reverse Polarity 81
I'm also a 50-ish gay guy with PTSD from the bad old days. I guess I can understand how someone could be offended if you don't get the Stranger's edgy sense of irony, but I laughed my ass off. The bow tie on the goat is perfect.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on December 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM · Report this
dwightmoodyforgetsthings 82
The cover is beautiful. It's big "fuck you" to NOM and it makes me laugh.
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceclop on December 7, 2012 at 2:46 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 83
@ 74, I think I answered it fine myself.
Posted by Matt from Denver on December 7, 2012 at 2:46 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 84
I thought it was funny - this is classic The Stranger, which is one of the most awesome parts about living in Seattle and Washington State. It's mocking the haters, not embracing them, and it takes nothing away from marriage equality. The reason they can do this cover is because the tide has turned.

Even if Anthony Kennedy saw this cover, I strongly doubt that this would sway him one way or the other. The fact that three states voted for marriage equality and one state voted down their DOMA amendment? That will have impact.

P.S. - I like John Waters too. And there should be a binding Slog poll on the cover!

Posted by Pridge Wessea on December 7, 2012 at 2:53 PM · Report this
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And who says we're done celebrating? That cover was for last Thursday's paper, which comes out on Wednesday, and goes to the printer Tuesday night. There were no pictures of happy couples getting their marriage licenses last Tuesday night, no photos of couples marrying. This cover was created in anticipation of what began on Thursday night and will continue to crescendo through this weekend.

I don't know what the plan is for next week's cover, but I wouldn't be surprised if the folks who are saying "YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE X INSTEAD" don't wind up seeing X on the cover of next week's paper. Not because they bitched, but because that was the plan all along.
Posted by Dan Savage on December 7, 2012 at 2:59 PM · Report this
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The fervent response by Marc and the amount of comments prove the artistic value of the cover of this week's The Stranger.

So then that raises the question whether or not the cover of our (historically on the front lines of gay and lgbt rights) community rag's cover should be art or if the cover should just be a reflection of the (very often directly supporting gay rights) content.

I'm for the art.

The nice thing about art is we can decide not to have a moral dilemma about it and just enjoy it. I'm enjoying it now.
Posted by jacobaudrey on December 7, 2012 at 3:01 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 87
@82 - This.

@83 - You did. I think that if Cato didn't have something to be grievously offended or disappointed by he would never be happy.

Posted by Pridge Wessea on December 7, 2012 at 3:04 PM · Report this
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Very quickly: it's "forebears", not "forebearers".

And now I'M done bitching....
Posted by catsnbanjos on December 7, 2012 at 3:05 PM · Report this
89
Obviously his criticisms were over the top (which is why you chose his among all the messages I imagine you must have received) but I totally agree that the cover was in very poor taste. Why? Why was it more important to make a joke than to celebrate? Why was it so important to make a joke that you knew perfectly well would offend some people during a really emotional, important time? It seemed trollish to me as soon as I saw the photo shoot post on Slog the other day. You're a private publication, you can do what you want, but this choice did make me lost respect for you guys as people and as journalists.
Posted by downbythefreeway on December 7, 2012 at 3:13 PM · Report this
pfffter 90
@67 are you single? ;)
Posted by pfffter on December 7, 2012 at 3:16 PM · Report this
91
Why so mad Marc?
Posted by suddenlyorcas on December 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM · Report this
92
I love the cover! It pokes fun at right-wing Santorum-style idiots; what's not to love?
Posted by mitten on December 7, 2012 at 3:26 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 93
I had a few thoughts when I saw the cover: They'll sure get a few angry letters from this one. Surely hit the top of the 'most commented' section.

And that it's not very funny. I love humor in bad taste, but this just seemed like a lazy attempt, nothing to get excited about. (Hence my not bothering to comment until past the 88 mark).

If you really wanted to go for it, have the goat being walked down the aisle by a guy in a Mark Discoll or Ken Hutcherson mask. The groom waits, barely disguising his huge erection w/ a Catholic priest looking on, nodding condescendingly while a few altar boys in make-up (& perhaps bondage gear) kneel at his feet. The title reads something like "Achievement Unlocked!" or "Howdy from Heaven!"

Now THAT shit would be hysterical!
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on December 7, 2012 at 3:35 PM · Report this
94
I don't care about the cover- but I LOVE how CRAZY people are and how much they LOVE to get OFFENDED. Also- CAPITOLS!
Posted by fancy on December 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM · Report this
LogopolisMike 95
You know how the religious right gets all hepped up about how gay marriage will bring the downfall of civilization, and then when it happens, the government gives you a piece of paper, it really doesn't affect anybody but you.

This cover is apparently the gay version of that.
Posted by LogopolisMike http://logopolis.typepad.com on December 7, 2012 at 3:50 PM · Report this
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@67, I think it's obvious from the picture that he is not single.
I LOLed at the picture but to each his own. I also seem to be missing the be offended at every little thing gene.
Posted by Mugwumpt on December 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM · Report this
97
Humor deprived for sure. But I'd remind you all that Jen Graves, with a straight face, called the use of the word "pussy" hate speech.
Posted by tkc on December 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM · Report this
blip 98
@89 Sometimes people make jokes as a way of celebrating. Did I just completely blow your mind?
Posted by blip on December 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM · Report this
Original Andrew 99
@ 67,

Consider me a suddenly shy admirer...

OR

a gym-built, jackhammer-ready power top.

Whichever works best 4 U ; )
Posted by Original Andrew on December 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM · Report this
Rubykelp 100
Missed the mark for the cover with this. I think it's sad.
Posted by Rubykelp on December 7, 2012 at 4:54 PM · Report this
TheMisanthrope 101
I'm getting old, because I think that I'd have found it funny when I was 14-20. And, in my thinking, I'd probably find it funny if it would have been run the week after the election.

But, I think it's in shitty taste the first week of legalization. The time to gloat has passed, it's now a time for celebration. Maybe a photo of two ladies dressed in bridal gowns sharing a joint outside a church. Or something that's a little less about them than it would be about us.
Posted by TheMisanthrope on December 7, 2012 at 5:55 PM · Report this
chromie 102
I'm not reading all the comments above, but I will say this. As a bisexual that happily worked on the Ref 74 campaign (with The Stranger's help on how to do so), it was disheartening to hear a lot of people in our beloved state mention bestiality in the same breath as homosexuality. Then, I would call my mother, a conservative, & ask her a better way to talk to people like her. She would then also mention bestiality.

Fuck those people. It's good to finally laugh at that ridiculousness I found so frustrating a couple months ago. To those who have a problem with it, here's hoping you'll develop a sense of humor someday. It's good for your health.

Oh, & way to ignore all of The Stranger's efforts during the campaign. Yeah, just get super outraged over the funny cover. I should introduce you to my mother. You'd get along great.
Posted by chromie http://www.facebook.com/kildabunny on December 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM · Report this
ArtBasketSara 103
@67 What! Are you sure? All those times I imagined my SELF as the goat. Those dreams...those now dark and crumbled dreams. Harrrumph! Stupid cover...
Posted by ArtBasketSara on December 7, 2012 at 6:14 PM · Report this
Baconcat 104
I guess us pipsqueaks and snots should have sat this election out. I'm sure you guys could have handled it without our humor or votes.
Posted by Baconcat on December 7, 2012 at 8:57 PM · Report this
zivilisierter Wurm 105
Dang, missed the bus on this one but what the hell: turns out whether gay or straight, everybody loves a stick up their ass.
Posted by zivilisierter Wurm http://peregrinari.tumblr.com/ on December 7, 2012 at 10:14 PM · Report this
106
What if Fox News decides to use that cover photo for every story they run on gay marriage? Would it still be oh so funny? What is wrong with you guys?
Posted by montex on December 7, 2012 at 10:29 PM · Report this
107
You would let Fox News be your barometer and upset you?
Posted by Philoscop on December 8, 2012 at 12:54 AM · Report this
Last of the Time Lords 108
Bad taste? Yeah but then it's the Stranger. I mean the most celebrated writer wished all the Republicans dead on Bill Maher's show a few months back. Did you expect anything less?
Posted by Last of the Time Lords on December 8, 2012 at 7:34 AM · Report this
xjuan 109
This is a clear case of uncalled grumpiness. The joke is not on the gay community but on the haters. They are the ones who should feel offended or laughed about. I believe it is a sign of maturity when you can make jokes about yourself, as The Strangers has done this time. My 5 cents.
Posted by xjuan on December 8, 2012 at 9:17 AM · Report this
110
I often find offensive humor funny, even that at my expense. This, though, actually took me for a moment out of my high of feeling finally vindicated as an equal member of society and reminded me that much of the world still sees my marriage as something perverse. I support your right to use jokes that don't make me laugh, still wouldn't it be nice for a week to focus on our victory rather than NOMs loss? Just my opinion.
Posted by DJSauvage on December 8, 2012 at 11:27 AM · Report this
111
I get the joke, but I don't think it's that funny. And I can understand if people who have been seriously told that their sexual orientation is as bad as bestiality don't want to laugh either.
Posted by alguna_rubia on December 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM · Report this
KingofQueenAnne 112
Oh for fucks sake. The cover is wonderful—I would proudly frame it and put it in my home for my bigoted Mormon mother to see when (or if) she visits. Creating a visual of what right-wing nuts insist will be the result of marriage equality will only push their bigoted position even farther to the periphery.

I can't wait to point to this cover in 20 years and explain to my nieces and nephews that, yes, people actually said that this would be the result if marriage equality became a reality.
Posted by KingofQueenAnne http://blingeejesus.blogspot.com on December 8, 2012 at 11:50 AM · Report this
Baconcat 113
THIS COVER IS THE BIGGEST SETBACK TO GAY RIGHTS EVER. YOUR COVER IS BASICALLY SUPERHITLER.
Posted by Baconcat on December 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM · Report this
114
The cover was perfectly predictable given The Stranger's moral duty to offend. Thus will it ever be until all the Puritans sadly seeking outrage have shed their mortal coils. (In other words, never.) It's like too many months (years!) of vilifying gay marriage opponents needed to be leavened with a poke in our own eyes, and where better to turn than man-animal? So, basically, yawn...whatevs.
Posted by tomt722 on December 9, 2012 at 12:54 AM · Report this
McJulie 115
Remember everybody getting upset about the 2008 New Yorker "fist bump" cover depicting the Obamas as every dumb false thing the right wing was saying about them?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/…

Satire is always going to be a problem for some people.
Posted by McJulie on December 9, 2012 at 8:53 AM · Report this
Puty 116
I loved the cover! I guffawed. I remain so fucking happy for Washington state and am thinking about you all this afternoon while you marry the fuck outta people.
Posted by Puty on December 9, 2012 at 11:54 AM · Report this
117
As a caprine rights activist I would be deeply offended ... if the cover weren't so damn hilarious. Thanks, Stranger, for making me laugh.
Posted by PCM on December 9, 2012 at 12:47 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 118
It occurred to me, reading the OP again, about how he interpreted the hugs insults of sexual discrimination. Since we all grew up w/ it, did he stop thinking that it was insulting? Or perhaps such horror, millenia old, ceased to become a mere insult, beyond being offensive, into a horror ingrained in the bones.

Whatever it was, Jahwistic cults everywhere (yeah, even you, Rastafarian asswipes) have a lot to answer for, far more than whatever satire the Stranger coughs up.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on December 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM · Report this
eclexia 119
Right now the cover is giving me a boner. But, rest assured, I shall write letters to the editor Telling them what a sick bunch of degenerates they are just as soon as I'm done masturbating.
Posted by eclexia on December 9, 2012 at 2:49 PM · Report this
120
Ohhh, I get it: ironic homophobia is the new ironic racism!
Posted by Amanda on December 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 121
@ 120, I'll accept that if you find black people engaging in ironic racism.
Posted by Matt from Denver on December 9, 2012 at 6:14 PM · Report this
122
@120: "Ohhh, I get it: ironic homophobia is the new ironic racism!"

Satire about racism experienced is not racists using racism "ironically".

Your analogy falls to pieces.
Posted by gallows humor is not hipsterdom, dipshit on December 10, 2012 at 7:46 AM · Report this
123
Now I see. Because some people at The Stranger are gay, it makes sense for them to be ironically homophobic. And because some people at The Stranger are black, it also makes sense for them to be ironically racist if they want.
Posted by Amanda on December 10, 2012 at 10:36 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 124
@ 123, no. All I said was, I'll buy your comparison if you can find a real-world example of African Americans engaging in ironic racism. If you can't do that, then you don't have ironic homophobia here.

I have a feeling that you want to be outraged, and that you're going to be, whether you have a legitimate excuse for it or not. But that doesn't mean that we won't point out that your angry emperor has no clothes.
Posted by Matt from Denver on December 10, 2012 at 12:35 PM · Report this
125
I do think the cover is silly and misguided, and at this point probably does more of a disservice to gay people than anything else, but I'm not outraged about it. To put things into perspective, I'm more excited about Christmas than I am concerned about this.
Posted by Amanda on December 10, 2012 at 1:58 PM · Report this
Baconcat 126
THIS IS THE IRONY DEPARTMENT OF THE KU KLUX KLAN OF ALT-WEEKLY COVERS! I GET IT NOW. YOU SET US BACK 5,000 YEARS!!

But like I'm totally not bothered. Whatever *comment* I don't care *comment*.
Posted by Baconcat on December 10, 2012 at 2:43 PM · Report this
127
@ #94: That would be "capitals". "Capitols" are government buildings.

Re the original question: GMAFB! If anyone who is familiar with The Stranger fails to see the parodic intent of that cover, then I suggest that thestranger.com establish an intelligence tes for those who wish to sign in.

I'm personally straight, but live in a very blended household: L, B, T, and developing. I thought that it was VERY funny.
Posted by FreeRoy on December 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM · Report this
128
@Baconcat - Lol well I have an opinion about it, which is that it's dumb, but to say I'm "outraged" would be a massive overstatement. This is difficult to understand?
Posted by Amanda on December 10, 2012 at 4:50 PM · Report this
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@128 It's not difficult to understand. It's just wrong.

You didn't just say it was dumb.

You just said it "does more of a disservice to gay people than anything else."

"Anything" else? More of a disservice than DOMA, gay bashing, or anti-sodomy laws? Reeeealy.

The hyperbole of you pearl clutchers.

You get called out on your context free sanctimony and then claim "well, I don't care that much" other than taking time out of your life by posting repeatedly how this is just so homophobic! But you decline to prove this assertion, because you can't. It's just some vague opinion. Well. Your opinion is invalid.

Guess what? The cover, it's not homophobic. One has to read into the cover and The Strangers intentions so extraordinarily uncharitably to divine homophobia from this artwork I'm surprised your knee jerk hasn't injured your ACL.

It's barely ironic. The word you're looking for is satire - while not always a get-out-of-jail-free card- the intelectual threshold for satire is usually too high for reactionary literalists to comprehend.

I know some people think that being an enlightened progressive means filtering literally everything that comes through their ears or eyeballs with some sort of ideology purity filter, but it doesn't. It means reserving judgement and assuming the best intentions while you look for context.

Posted by tkc on December 10, 2012 at 6:05 PM · Report this
balderdash 130
"I have glanced through the Stranger enough to know..."

Clearly you haven't, tho. Maybe read a few words next time, instead of just 'glancing'?
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on December 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM · Report this
131
Does Marc realize that the photo on the cover is usually either irrelevant to the content inside the paper or tongue in cheek?
Posted by Gomez http://misterstevengomez.com on December 10, 2012 at 8:19 PM · Report this
132
Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd is a time-honored tactic. That's all this cover was, and it was done well.
Posted by Reader01 on December 10, 2012 at 9:40 PM · Report this
133
@tkc - By "more of a disservice to gay people than anything else", I didn't mean, "anything else in the history of the world". Now who's being melodramatic and clutching pearls? I just meant this type of image will likely be more misconstrued than it will be appreciated. And I did say I thought it was silly, which is a synonym for dumb. And I don't even own pearls. Okay, one bracelet, which I've never clutched.

See? People can just post repeatedly because it's fun, rather than because they're outraged.
Posted by Amanda on December 10, 2012 at 10:52 PM · Report this
wilbur@work 134
those of you looking over your shoulder to see what fox news thinks are DOING IT WRONG.

Ignoring the assholes led to this victory, and will continue to lead to more victories. Keep it up, Stranger!

Posted by wilbur@work on December 10, 2012 at 10:53 PM · Report this

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