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Monday, December 10, 2012

UPS Driver: "I just had a guy pull a gun on me."

Posted by on Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Pointing a gun at the UPS guy is the modern day prelude to shooting the messenger. Yet that's what allegedly happened last week as a UPS man attempted to deliver a package to one Capitol Hill residence.

Last Wednesday, December 5, just shy of 1:00 p.m., Officer Doug Raguso was "flagged down by a uniformed UPS driver who ran through traffic and banged on [his] car window," according to a police report. After securing the officer's undivided attention, the UPS guy explained, "I just had a guy pull a gun on me."

The UPS guy told the officer that he was delivering a package to an apartment on the 500 block of Broadway Avenue—near Seattle University—when "he encountered hostility" from two residents in one apartment on his route.

After "several words were exchanged" between the man/woman duo and the UPS man, he reportedly told the couple, "Fine we are just not going to deliver to your apartment," the police report states. But as the UPS man walked away to deliver a package to a different apartment, he heard the woman say, "'no don't do it.'" According to the police report, when the UPS guy turned around, he allegedly saw the man "coming at him down the hallway with a rifle pointed at his head."

The UPS guy backed away with his hands up, saying, "'What are you doing?'" the report states. In response, the suspect retreated to his apartment while the UPS guy ran from the building and called 911. Once outside, the reporting officer explains that "[the UPS guy] spotted my patrol car and flagged me down."

Police quickly set up a containment area around the building and were figuring out how to evacuate the building's other units when "the front door opened, and the two occupants of the unit exited the apartment building." They were taken into custody without incident, with the suspect quickly explaining to officers that "the UPS guy is lying, I didn't point a gun at him. He probably just saw it in the apartment." Meanwhile, his fiancee reportedly told officers that the suspect has "ongoing anger issues." The police report also states that the suspect admitted that he previously "got in trouble for pointing a rifle at someone and firing it into the air."

On a better note, the suspect also reportedly told an officer that "he was appreciative of us (Police) doing our jobs, and after he went to boot camp he wanted to get out and become a cop, but got into trouble."

Officers went into the suspects' unit and found the alleged rifle in question, determining that it was an airsoft rifle—the kind that shoot plastic pellets instead of bullets—modeled after an AR15 assault rifle. They also found a pair of silver handcuffs in the residence but concluded that the handcuffs "did not appear to have been used in this incident."


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If we only had common sense laws regulating toy guns, this never would have happened.
Posted by CPN on December 10, 2012 at 1:48 PM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 2
Posted by Pope Peabrain on December 10, 2012 at 1:51 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 3
the parade of dysfunction that is the american male just never ends.
Posted by Max Solomon on December 10, 2012 at 2:12 PM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 4
What's the point of mentioning the handcuffs? Especially since they had nothing to do with this incident?

Can we get a list of everything else in the apartment that had nothing to do with this? I need to know what color bath towels this guy has.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on December 10, 2012 at 2:17 PM · Report this
I used to be a courier in Austin. This one time, a guy came to the door and he clearly had a gun in his back waistband. I could tell by the way he was standing, at the ready to reach back and pull it out. And he stayed standing that way through our entire interaction in which I told him I was merely delivering a letter to him. It was kind of freaky. Some people are a bad combination of paranoid and stupid.
Posted by MR M on December 10, 2012 at 2:19 PM · Report this
Dougsf 6
@1 - Joke and ye shall receive:

A. It is unlawful to knowingly carry or shoot any spring gun, air gun, sling or slingshot in, upon or onto any public place.

B. For purposes of this section, "public place" means an area generally open to the public, regardless of whether it is privately owned, and includes, but is not limited to, streets, sidewalks, bridges, alleys, plazas, parks, parking lots, transit stations, transit vehicles and buildings.…

So he didn't actually fire it, and I've no idea if an interior apartment hallway fits their definition of "public space", but the story does allude to the fact they made their UPS guy come all the way up rather than meeting him at the door. Any able-bodied person that buzzes deliveries in rather than meeting them at the door is guaranteed to be guilty of multiple infractions against all that is good and proper.
Posted by Dougsf on December 10, 2012 at 2:23 PM · Report this
evilvolus 7
"Pointing a gun at the UPS guy is the modern day prelude to shooting the messenger."

That is a line Mudede would write. We already have one of those, thanks.
Posted by evilvolus on December 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM · Report this
so in other words if I were to walk around pointing my fake gun at people it would be all good? it seems like they let this guy off too easily... I'm sure they wouldn't have felt the same way if I pointed that gun at a cop!
Posted by high and bi on December 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM · Report this
cornelius, is that you? best damn UPS driver on the hill.
Posted by deepconcentration on December 10, 2012 at 3:06 PM · Report this
I saw it go down as I work right by there. The UPS drive is very nice.
Posted by CommonKnowledge on December 10, 2012 at 3:20 PM · Report this
@4 So true!
Posted by Erok on December 10, 2012 at 3:32 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 12

I find it hard to believe that threatening someone with a realistic-looking fake gun is legal. The victim doesn't know it's fake.
Posted by keshmeshi on December 10, 2012 at 3:35 PM · Report this
evilvolus 13
@12 - It would certainly meet the legal definition of an assault here in Washington. Whether it would qualify as a weapon offense is fuzzier.
Posted by evilvolus on December 10, 2012 at 4:10 PM · Report this
Dougsf 14
@12 - It most certainly is not. I only posted that passage because I was curious as to whether owning a pellet gun was as illegal in Seattle as it is where I liveā€”not quite, but firing one anywhere outside your house certainly is.

The internet tells me that in many states, your assumptions about threatening people with "fake" guns is probably correct. In California, the penalties for using a toy gun to commit a crime are the same whether the gun is real or not.
Posted by Dougsf on December 10, 2012 at 4:18 PM · Report this
Really, that's like pointing a gun at the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus.

My UPS guy is absolutely the best. I'm so sorry this driver on the Capitol Hill route was harassed like this. People are crazy.
Posted by Fire Chief on December 10, 2012 at 9:18 PM · Report this
mayor 16
Oh, shit! I also have handcuffs and about 8 other irrelevant sextoys for the officers to include in their report for release to the public.
Posted by mayor on December 10, 2012 at 11:10 PM · Report this
mayor 17
@dougsf re " In California, the penalties for using a toy gun to commit a crime are the same whether the gun is real or not." same law here, implied threat doesen't even require a gun.
Posted by mayor on December 10, 2012 at 11:15 PM · Report this
@18 troll
Posted by JimmyCap on December 11, 2012 at 9:53 AM · Report this

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