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Wednesday, December 19, 2012

This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Fucking Things

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Cato the Younger Younger 1
Oh fucking fuckety fuck fuck!
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on December 19, 2012 at 7:22 AM · Report this
2
fuck
Posted by Chester Copperpot on December 19, 2012 at 7:27 AM · Report this
3
Fuckin' A.
Posted by I Got Nuthin' on December 19, 2012 at 7:32 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 4
"...cheapen the word." What? He's off his medication.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on December 19, 2012 at 7:34 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 5

How about Democrats dropping "Marriage Equality" like a hot potato now that they're looking for other ways to get votes?

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on December 19, 2012 at 7:42 AM · Report this
6
Way to stay on topic Supreme Troll.
Posted by I Got Nuthin' on December 19, 2012 at 7:47 AM · Report this
7
Holy fuck. It's impossible to sanely discuss the political (and budgetary) discourse in this country without a generous sprinkling of epithets. They enable us to express disgust, contempt and disbelief, while adding a bit of levity. The only alternatives are suicide or a good old-fashioned torches-and-pitchforks uprising.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on December 19, 2012 at 7:47 AM · Report this
jcsmith2 8
Given the current state of both the Union and the State, I'd say that both the Stranger and SLOG have been quite judicious in their use of Fuck. I've been saying it a lot more frequently than they have...
Posted by jcsmith2 on December 19, 2012 at 7:52 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 9
Well fuck.

Posted by Theodore Gorath on December 19, 2012 at 7:58 AM · Report this
smajor82 10
@6 - thanks for making me lol.
Posted by smajor82 on December 19, 2012 at 8:01 AM · Report this
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@5 - What the fuck, did you fail reading comprehension?
Posted by PaulBarwick on December 19, 2012 at 8:04 AM · Report this
jcsmith2 12
@7 - You said it even better!
Posted by jcsmith2 on December 19, 2012 at 8:04 AM · Report this
13
How can you cheapen the "F" word?
Posted by dbgill56 on December 19, 2012 at 8:05 AM · Report this
TVDinner 14
Fucking Connelly.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on December 19, 2012 at 8:13 AM · Report this
--MC 15
You've .. you've cheapened the word FUCK! (sob)
Posted by --MC on December 19, 2012 at 8:15 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 16
About time somebody did something about the price of f*ck. In this economy all I can afford is f, c and k, and a cheapass Chinese made * I got at Wal-Mart.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on December 19, 2012 at 8:15 AM · Report this
CC-Rob 17
Connelly is fucking jealous.
Posted by CC-Rob on December 19, 2012 at 8:17 AM · Report this
18
Oh heavens. Someone might cheapen a filthy curse word, thereby dulling its effects and making it less offensive. I don't know what this dude's paying for f-bombs but it's probably more than I am.
Posted by DRF on December 19, 2012 at 8:25 AM · Report this
19
Old people read the Stranger?
Posted by suddenlyorcas on December 19, 2012 at 8:28 AM · Report this
20
I'm surprised that Joel isn't already aware that talk IS cheap ;-)
Posted by Steve L on December 19, 2012 at 8:30 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 21
@ 13, I've known a few people who manage to swear in every sentence that comes out of their mouths, usually more than once, and THAT kinda made the words meaningless.

Poor Joel, however, must be a delicate soul if he thinks The Stranger's use of "fuck" comes anywhere near that point. Pass him some smelling salts, I do believe he's getting the vapors.
Posted by Matt from Denver on December 19, 2012 at 8:31 AM · Report this
seatackled 22
Maybe Connelly just feels dirty now when he says the word fuck as he's about to screw in bed. If it weren't for those meddling kids. . . .
Posted by seatackled on December 19, 2012 at 8:33 AM · Report this
23
I think it just depends on what you are trying to accomplish at the Stranger. Yes, the use of foul language plays well with this niche audience, and as long as you are happy with catering to it, then go ahead and use all the obscenities you want. It has gotten you to your current level of readership, but it will also keep you at this same level.

But if the Stranger really wanted to make a difference here in Washington state, and if the writers really wanted to reach beyond their core audience of hipster urban liberals and change the thinking of folks who won't even consider reading it because of the crudeness, then you might consider toning it down a notch and creating pieces filled with intellectualism rather than just overflowing with fuck fuck fuck.
Posted by Stuart MC on December 19, 2012 at 8:39 AM · Report this
Simone 24
I think Gordon Ramsay's F Word cheapens the Fuck word more than The Stranger.
Posted by Simone on December 19, 2012 at 8:39 AM · Report this
25
I guess you guys throw around the "fuck" word so haphazardly that I just tone it out. Scrolling down the posts currently on the Slog, I can't find any "fucks" at all.
Posted by suddenlyorcas on December 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM · Report this
LEE. 26
@24

That was real fuckin' nice.
Posted by LEE. on December 19, 2012 at 8:54 AM · Report this
Asparagus! 27
I'm pretty sure people who don't read the stranger because "it's crude" are just looking for the stodgiest way of saying "I only read conservative things".
Posted by Asparagus! on December 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM · Report this
wisepunk 28
@19 I bet Joel hits the bong like a fucking champ. Age ain't nothing but a fucking number. Fuck.
Posted by wisepunk on December 19, 2012 at 8:56 AM · Report this
bleedingheartlibertarian 29
"Budget"?
Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on December 19, 2012 at 9:07 AM · Report this
30
Then of course, there's this epic demonstration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lElf7D-A…
Posted by lambarch on December 19, 2012 at 9:10 AM · Report this
31
Stranger seems very tame to me. This Connely dude must be a like fucking celibate monk or something. Doesn't even want an occasional fuck?
Posted by cracked on December 19, 2012 at 9:11 AM · Report this
reverend dr dj riz 32
@23
*yawn*
Posted by reverend dr dj riz on December 19, 2012 at 9:25 AM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 33
"They're managing to..." Mr Connelly, The Stranger NEVER manages to do a thing! How insulting.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on December 19, 2012 at 9:35 AM · Report this
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I agree with what 23 has to say. I believe the use of swearing should be used judiciously so that when it is used, it brings the appropriate amount to shock to the receiving audience. I'm also aware that I'm older than the core demographic of this blog, so my perceptions probably don't hold much sway with the writers.

I will say, I notice adults 20 years my junior will use foul language in inappropriate places. I work in customer service, in a managerial position, and I can't tell you how many times I have had to take my colleagues aside and correct their language. To a person, they've all said they were unaware what they had even said. I found that very interesting, and typical of so many people in our modern world-- Speaking without even knowing what you said.
Posted by ProstSeattle on December 19, 2012 at 9:45 AM · Report this
pfffter 35
@34 you must be a real joy to work for
Posted by pfffter on December 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM · Report this
36
I work at an airline. Do you think its appropriate for airline employees to swear at their customers?

I didn't think so.
Posted by ProstSeattle on December 19, 2012 at 10:06 AM · Report this
Fnarf 37
Fuck this, and fuck that. Fuck it all and fuck a fucking brat. She don't want a baby that looks like joel b. connolly.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on December 19, 2012 at 10:17 AM · Report this
NotSean 38
They're coming for our swear words!

They forget we need 'fuck' to keep tyranny at bay and to defend ourselves from other fuckers.
Posted by NotSean on December 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM · Report this
39
I always thought it was because you guys were too cheap to spring for a thesaurus, then I remembered that if you have no problems finding terrible videos and rants by evangelical clodpates online, the dull, repetitive thwack of a four-letter word in all its conjugations and permutations must be due to collective intentional ignorance.
Posted by yep, thesauri are online now! on December 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM · Report this
40
Yeah, 35, when working with the general public, it's pretty common to have to watch your swears. I curse like a sailor on my own time, but in the office, the worst thing I'll say is "Jiminy Crickets!"
Posted by clashfan on December 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM · Report this
41
A podcast dedicated to the topic: http://wtfpod.com
Posted by restlessnative on December 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM · Report this
smajor82 42
@36 What the fuck does that have to do with what gets written at the fucking Stranger?
Posted by smajor82 on December 19, 2012 at 12:04 PM · Report this
43
He makes it sound like the word "fuck" is this beautiful, spun glass statue of Venus upon a pedestal in an ivory tower surrounded by angels singing the most beautiful song you've ever heard.

It's like the way that anti-porn activists simultaneously revile and romanticize sex when they say "porn degrades a beautiful human experience".
Posted by gromm on December 19, 2012 at 12:07 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 44
@43 "It's like the way that anti-porn activists simultaneously revile and romanticize sex when they say "porn degrades a beautiful human experience". "

I agree, it's a beautiful experience being tied up and gang banged by 7 really hung studs all while it's being live streamed. Beautiful and fucking HOT!!!!
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on December 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM · Report this
Lance Thrustwell 45
@43 - I know, right? It's the paradox of the profane. Repression strengthens; freedom weakens. But on the other hand, these words become cemented into our heads early in childhood as being special and naughty. No amount of exposure will ever quite make them sound as neutral as other words. And that's good; we need our magic curse words to stay magic. Maybe not quite as much as Mr. Connelly thinks, but we do.

Oh and @23 - the Stranger is a regional urban arts & entertainment weekly. A fine one, but that's what it is. that's not going to change.

Oh, and fuck.
Posted by Lance Thrustwell on December 19, 2012 at 12:24 PM · Report this
46
I can't have nice fucking things because my fucking cats destroy fucking everything they get their fucking paws on.
Posted by Tor on December 19, 2012 at 12:28 PM · Report this
Ophian 47
Now's a great time to go out and get a copy of the fine documentary "Fuck".
Posted by Ophian on December 19, 2012 at 1:02 PM · Report this
Jaymz 48
To me there is a big difference between word choice in writing and word choice in speaking.

It drives me crazy when a repeated fill words crop up in spoken language, eg. "and he goes... and then she goes... and, like, they go...., like, ya know, right?"

I think some thought should be expended when writing articles that appear in the print edition of The Stranger, and I have no problem with using the word "fuck" for a reason, even if it is just to connect with a certain audience, but at least have an actual reason and not just to increase word count (are they paid by the word?)

Blogging is between those two extremes - more ephemeral and more of a "toss off" - so its Okay to throw in a random fuck now and then while waiting for the brain to actually engage.
Posted by Jaymz on December 19, 2012 at 1:04 PM · Report this
49
@48, there is a big difference between inarticulate idiocy ("he goes...and then, like, they go..." and articulate emphasis ("fucking A").

Joel Connolly does not equate with "old". All self-respecting old people refute any association with Joel Connolly. He's not old, he's just a priss.
Posted by sarah70 on December 19, 2012 at 1:14 PM · Report this
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@45, if the Stranger only wants to be a "regional urban arts & entertainment weekly," then great. Mission accomplished.

But every day I come on here and see Dan or Dominic or some other writer screeching about injustice and unfairness and acting like the world is ending because not everyone sees things as they do. They surely seem like they want to accomplish more than a regional weekly would when they crusade for marriage equality or against charter schools.

I just feel that they do it so very poorly by only pandering to current readers rather than reaching out to those outside their small circle of readers. It's a shame, because with their talents, I think they could make such a huge difference.
Posted by Stuart MC on December 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM · Report this
merry 51
@ 50 - "It's a shame, because with their talents, I think they could make such a huge difference."

Are you saying they haven't made a huge difference?

Well, you know, there was that whole "It Gets Better" thing... and successful campaigning for not only Marriage Equality, but legal weed, as well.... Seems like we in WA state dodged a bullet when we didn't elect that McKenna fellow, with the Stranger's strenuous help... And I seem to recall something about a Pulitzer Prize that happened, too...

I think it's pretty obvious what kind of impact The Stranger and its writers have had on this world, regardless of their potty mouths.... And, in this Christmas season, I say THANK FUCKING GOD FOR THE FUCKING STRANGER AND ALL ITS FUCKING WRITERS!!!

:-D
Posted by merry on December 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM · Report this
Fnarf 52
@42, I wish the writers at The Stranger would wear little blue bows and plastic nametags too, like the air clerks.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on December 19, 2012 at 2:05 PM · Report this
Jaymz 53
@49 - agreed. Perhaps an example:

Spoken, the phrase "why the fuck can't they pass a FUCKING BUDGET?!" may be part of an extended rant and be an appropriate crescendo, but the same phrase written includes awkward grammar and seems to be overkill to me. Better to write "why can't they pass a fucking budget?" to show the obvious irritation and avoid the double-word stumble.

Spoken words slip by quickly and might cause some immediate reaction that fades right away, so an excess of "fuck" just becomes part of the oral landscape - background if you will. Properly parsed out, the written word "fuck" can be lots and lots of things and show some thoughtful writing, with good impact, but we can't overlook the fact that written words are more permanent and consequently are held up to greater scrutiny. Just the way it is.

The real problem, in my mind, is careless writing - mindlessly blogging as if speaking - and leaving a trail to be examined and, potentially, critiqued for presentation rather than content.
Posted by Jaymz on December 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM · Report this
54
"Mother fucking fuck is just another fucking word. The idea a word is dirty is [...] fucking absurd." - Jay Brannan
Posted by JudT on December 19, 2012 at 6:35 PM · Report this
Aaron 55
Dan Savage clearly craves Joel's attention to make a brief but meaningful tweet into an entire slog post.
Posted by Aaron on December 19, 2012 at 7:53 PM · Report this
aureolaborealis 56
Stephen Fry, Great Person, on the subject:

It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what.

Posted by aureolaborealis on December 20, 2012 at 10:29 AM · Report this
57
Fuck them, those fucking fucks! ;-)
Posted by JayeSpeaks on December 20, 2012 at 11:50 AM · Report this
bugwitch 58
I don't know about you but I love a good cheap fuck from time to time.
Posted by bugwitch on December 22, 2012 at 9:56 AM · Report this

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