Anthropocene Today: The Fate of the Ice Crawler


but why is it evil to destroy ourselves, or the whole world's current environment?

why is the environment with us and animals better than a rocky wasteland environment after we pollute the globe or after say massive nuclear exchanges? what value system tells us killing every living thing is "bad"?

seems like to have that value you are adopting a value stance "outside" the physical world. iow, you believe in god on some level. perhaps not an old dude with a beard, but some kind of thing or stance outside our physical world that whispers in our ears things like don't kill. don't destroy the earth.

why is destorying the earth any different than me stepping on an ant iow? or crushing up a rock I find, destroying it!?
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"Clear solutions" my Aunt Fanny - there is no clear solution without a means to implement it. In this case - as plainly as the nose on our faces - we haven't come up with the solution's necessary political component. Pretending otherwise as in this post has no purpose than to create a swoony moral feeling.
If we cannot survive, we go. That's the rule. Adapt or die. I was watching a nature program about volcanoes and a scientist was explaining how difficult it was to have so few years of research to look at. The Earth recycles over eons. We've only just appeared.
Which other worlds have been destroyed by other species?
Can a non-sentient species have a "world" if it can't recognize that it exists? Or are you talking about aliens on ssome planet you recall from a sci-fi thriller?
Not to pop your self-loathing button, but the majority of species that have gone extinct did so before humans came on the scene. did you make that 99% up because it sounded good?

Human impact on the environment is indeed a serious problem but it will not be solved by emo musings and pop-philosophy and psuedo-science.
It is of course, spelled "pseudo".
@1: Self preservation and the drive to pass on our genes are the most basic - and possibly strongest - animal imperatives. Morality doesn't enter into it. The wish to preserve our environment stems from this selfish desire as much as from any charitable feelings toward our fellow creatures. Once you admit the selfish wish comes first, you can certainly apply more noble notions of empathy and morality.

Also, while crushing an ant extinguishes its life, it doesn't destroy it any more than crushing a rock destroys the rock. It's the loss of that spark of life that we mourn, because it's special. Crushing a rock no more destroys it than sprinkling water on the ground destroys the water; it merely renders it into smaller measurements.

The potential for humans to wipe out all life on this planet is, at least for myself, a terrifying prospect in that we might do so and result in leaving no trace that we ever existed. This is like not leaving our technological and informational "genes" behind for other civilizations to find, and know that we were here, proof that this planet was special because it nurtured life, an anomaly in infinitely short supply in this universe. We lose that legacy entirely, for all time.
What this article makes clear is that humans as a whole are incapable of being proactive even when their very existence is threatened. Humans are not rational creatures. We've not evolved to the point where our powers of reason can result in action. Perhaps those of us who survive the approaching calamity will be the ones who have evolved and can continue the species. Otherwise, nice try.
Earth civilizations have collapsed because they could not see and act upon the detrimental effects their pattern of activities was having. Hopefully, we can. However, the aggregate of the increasing global population may be our undoing.

Regardless, even if we survive, we're still currently going through the most massive extinction event since the K-T... and it takes millions of years to recover from that sort of thing, the fossil record suggests.

@1 - Why is "god" "'outside' the physical world" for you? Why isn't god in --an intimate part of-- every square millimeter of the entire universe?
Grylloblattid. Literally "cricket cockroach".
Mudede, have you read the book After Man, A Zoology of the Future, by Dougal Dixon? It is one of the most original works of fiction I have ever seen, and you might like the way it puts us in our place.