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Posted by on Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:02 AM

The deranged bigots at NOM sound the alarm:

The National Organization For Marriage (NOM) is robocalling Rhode Islanders, claiming marriage is in “unprecedented danger” as the state legislature is voting on same-sex marriage. There is an excellent chance the House in Rhode Island will pass the marriage equality bill it’s voting on today, but the real fight will be at the Senate.

There's actually a lot of precedent for same-sex marriage. And as NOM's inability to make a case against marriage equality during the Prop 8 trial in California demonstrated, same-sex marriage presents no danger to anyone.

Rhode Island's House of Representatives approved a marriage equality bill yesterday by an overwhelming margin despite NOM's best efforts to rally bigots. The bill now moves to Rhode Island's Senate, where it faces a tougher fight. Governor Lincoln Chafee—former Republican, current independent—has promised to sign the bill if it reaches his desk.


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NotSean 1
NOM need to cut to the chase: run a video of two men, wearing wedding tuxes, tongue-kissing on a park bench, with children playing in the background.

I mean, if you're gonna pursue a bigot-cause, do it with some ooomph. Wimps.
Posted by NotSean on January 25, 2013 at 8:22 AM · Report this
You forgot New Hampshire.
Posted by dearduskyNH on January 25, 2013 at 8:28 AM · Report this
JensR 3
I can personally report from Sweden, as a Swedish citizen, married to another man, that so far society hasn't collapsed.

Although the right-wing government here is really making an effort to do so at the moment.
Posted by JensR on January 25, 2013 at 8:28 AM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 4
With the exception of the 22% of Mainer-ites sitting in jail rotting for protecting marriage or something, people are seeing that in fact no child is harmed, no marriage destroyed, no Hetero-breeder-fertile couple became sterile once two consenting adults not related by blood can get a civil marriage. Facts, although harder to locate, speak louder than lies.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on January 25, 2013 at 8:28 AM · Report this
You forgot New Hampshire! Just need RI and then all of New England will be a marriage equality zone.
Posted by JenV on January 25, 2013 at 8:37 AM · Report this
NotSean 6
@1 Still wimpy.

Run a video of two men, in wedding tuxes, going door to door, confiscating handguns... And then tongue-kissing.
Posted by NotSean on January 25, 2013 at 8:40 AM · Report this
You forgot Mexico City and Quintana Roo.
Posted by ozuchicago on January 25, 2013 at 8:43 AM · Report this
I lived in Newport, RI for a number of years over three periods of time from the early to late 1980s. It's a very small state, you can drive across the width of it in about 45 minutes as you traverse from CT to MA.

Because it is sandwiched in between two states that already have SSM (MA since 2005), I'm sure the citizens of RI have been able to witness first hand how SSM has impacted the heterosexual citizens and their family members who reside in those neighboring states... which is zero.

I'm confident we'll have SSM in RI soon, if not this year then the year after.
Posted by bernie on January 25, 2013 at 8:43 AM · Report this
Fortunate 9
And it looks like very soon we may be able to add the UK to the list.
Posted by Fortunate on January 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM · Report this
NOM can console itself with the knowledge that it still has the American South and Republican Party on the anti-marriage equality side for the foreseeable future.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on January 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM · Report this
After the election, I was looking at a map of the U.S. where the states now having marriage equality were highlighted.

Looking at New England, I thought it was solid, and I was feeling a real sense of pride in my region of the country, also thinking that if push came to shove, and anyone needed to secede, we'd make a damned fine country. Rhode Island is so dinky, I never noticed that it was the lone, unhighlighted state.

Come on, Rhode Island! Don't make me be all disappointed in our lack of regional hegemony. Come join us in being part of a truly civilized and egalitarian society.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on January 25, 2013 at 8:49 AM · Report this
@11 PS: New York is technically a member of the Mid-Atlantic States, and not New England, but I've always thought that was just some clerical error.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on January 25, 2013 at 8:54 AM · Report this
MacCrocodile 13
@11 - Jon Stewart said at one point that Rhode Island is now the only state in New England where "Ya cahn't get there from queah."
Posted by MacCrocodile on January 25, 2013 at 9:04 AM · Report this
Fortunate 14
@12, as a native born New Yorker I agree. I never understood why NY wasn't considered part of New England. Both culturally and environmentally it fits.

If it weren't for work issues I would be back in NY already. I've been wanting to move back for a while, and now that it has joined the civilized world in recognizing marriage equality I want to even more.

After Prop 8 passed here in CA I have lost any love for the place, and I doubt even undoing it now will change that. I still see my fellow California residents as the people who betrayed their neighbors.
Posted by Fortunate on January 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM · Report this
Thanks for your support Dan!
Posted by Providence on January 25, 2013 at 9:06 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 16
Shameless fear mongering. They have always used it against us.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on January 25, 2013 at 9:14 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 17
How is NOM taking the fact that civil unions are going to be reality in Colorado? (We stupidly put a same-sex marriage ban in our constitution, so this is the best we can do for a while.)
Posted by Matt from Denver on January 25, 2013 at 9:16 AM · Report this
Oh for eff's sake. The real threat to the continued preeminence of marriage in Western society is the acceptance of cohabitation, which includes civil unions, illegitimacy, single parenthood and divorce. (Before anyone gets in a twist, please note that I didn't say that any of these things were good or bad, just that they lessen the preeminence of marriage.) If anything, the movement to allow same-sex marriage is bringing all the good things about marriage, like commitment, stability, legal rights, and economic advantages, into the public eye where everyone can see them.
Posted by DRF on January 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM · Report this
@11, 12: the reason New York isn't considered part of New England is because it is New Amsterdam.…
Posted by Clayton on January 25, 2013 at 10:08 AM · Report this
Will in Seattle 21
@20 mind you, with ocean levels set to rise 26 feet, and subsequent waves topping most building entrances, we might as well rename New York City as New Amsterdam.
Posted by Will in Seattle on January 25, 2013 at 10:27 AM · Report this
sirkowski 22
Reporting from Canada, at -10 Fahrenheit. I blame the homos.
Posted by sirkowski on January 25, 2013 at 10:36 AM · Report this
merry 23
Geez, those NOM folks need to find a new hobby...

Maybe they can emigrate en masse to New Zealand and start lobbying against cats?? Or just stay home and take up macrame?

Either option would be a better use of their time and energy...
Posted by merry on January 25, 2013 at 11:00 AM · Report this
@21 You neglect human history and archaeology. Homo sapiens has been building new settlements upon the old for aeons. If parts of Manhattan flood, we'll just dump some more dirt on them and rebuild. The World Trade Center site and World Financial Center site were landfill on the riverbed. Some very large percentage of buildings in New York are less than 50 years old. Some have been torn down and replaced with something larger several times already.

It's the folks in single-family homes along the coasts and rivers, all over the world, who are certainly going to be displaced. Although the most severe impact worldwide is going to be the loss of arable land.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on January 25, 2013 at 11:02 AM · Report this
dwightmoodyforgetsthings 25
@12- The only reason New England doesn't include New York is because Old New York was once New Amsterdam (why they changed it I can't say. I guess they just liked it better that way.)

I always preferred to think of the Northeast (New England+New York) as a region with the Mid-Atlantic to it's south.
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings on January 25, 2013 at 11:11 AM · Report this
passionate_jus 26
Interestingly enough, Rhode Island's gay citizens can already marry the person they love, due to an executive order by Governor Chafee last year making out of state same sex marriages legally valid in RI. They just can't do it in their home state; they have to travel to a bordering state.

Which basically means that any Rhode Island legislator who votes against marriage equality is really only voting against the economic interests of their state.

If the State Senate wants to help the economy of Rhode Island they should pass this bill ASAP.
Posted by passionate_jus on January 25, 2013 at 11:15 AM · Report this
passionate_jus 27
Here's the contact information for the President of the State Senate. While she is personally against marriage equality she say she will not stand in the way of the measure coming to a vote, although she says it is not a priority and that it won't happen for several months.

Feel free to write her a respectfully sounding letter reminding her that people need these rights now and that Rhode Island's wedding industry is also missing out on a significant amount of money.

Here's her contact information:

Email :
Phone : (401) 222-6655
Fax : (401) 222-2967

Office of the President of the Senate
318 State House
Providence , Rhode Island 02903…
Posted by passionate_jus on January 25, 2013 at 11:27 AM · Report this
For a full treatment of New York/New Amsterdam vs. New England, check out "American Nations" by Colin Woodard. (He says parts of New York state are indeed culturally part of New England, but New York City proper was originally settled by the Dutch as a trading post, and that still shows.)
Posted by Old Crow on January 25, 2013 at 11:50 AM · Report this
very bad homo 29
Have you ever looked at the NOM blog? They have about 4 regular commenters. Their funding almost all comes from a select few rich bigoted donors. They'll all be extinct soon.
Posted by very bad homo on January 25, 2013 at 12:11 PM · Report this
@23 I vote for the NOM membership immigrating to Uganda.
Posted by Clayton on January 25, 2013 at 12:59 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 31
Dear RI: If it doesn't affect the PawSox batting average or ERA, you might as well pass it.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on January 25, 2013 at 1:23 PM · Report this
dwightmoodyforgetsthings 32
@28- Not just New York City, but the Hudson Valley up to and just past the Albany area. Martin Van Buren didn't even speak English as a child in Kinderhook. The semi-feudal Dutch Patroon system lasted until the 1850s in some places.

Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings on January 25, 2013 at 1:47 PM · Report this
@14: If you want to feel better about California try and find a county by county breakdown on Prop H8. It's a map of more and less desirable places to live (better landscape, culture, climate, etc.). Those who can't escape Fresno and Bakersfield? Haters. Lucky folks up north (especially around the bay) are more than 50% nice. My home town (Napa) came in at 54% good people (46% ign'ant.) Again: we managed to shoot it down just about anywhere you would actually want to be.

If The Supremes don't correct the sorry dimwits in the sticks though, I think that my eyes shall cross with rage, permanently.
Posted by SifuMark on January 25, 2013 at 3:06 PM · Report this

Massachusetts has had gay marriage for TEN YEARS this year. It also consistently has had the lowest, or among the lowest divorce rate in the entire country. Is there any more "proof" needed by the NOM-anderthals that homos marrying is a threat to no one, and least of all, to the institution of marriage?

Posted by Velvetbabe on January 25, 2013 at 3:19 PM · Report this

Of course, NOM and others point to Massachusetts having a low divorce rate, and states down south having a consistently HIGH divorce rate vs the entire northeast, because southern folks marry at a higher rate than we northerners. And yet:

"Of course, states with more marriages naturally have more chances for divorce. But the trend also holds up when one looks at divorces as a share of marriages. In states that recognize or perform gay marriages, the number of divorces in 2009 was 41.2 percent of the number of marriages. In the 36 other states for which 2009 data are available, it was 50.3 percent. Remove the outlier Nevada, the state with by far the lowest divorce rate by this metric (16.3 percent), likely due in part to Las Vegas's status as a wedding hotspot for out-of-state couples who may get married there but divorced elsewhere, and the figure jumps to 53.2 percent."…

Posted by Velvetbabe on January 25, 2013 at 3:41 PM · Report this
Another Swede here - I'm a woman married to a man - that can testify that not only has society not collapsed because gay people can marry, the effect it's had on my own (NOM-approved) marriage has been remarkably non-existent.
Posted by karraflarra on January 26, 2013 at 1:36 AM · Report this
sheiler 37
I heard that the whole state of Rhode Island was recently carpeted.
Posted by sheiler on January 26, 2013 at 5:27 AM · Report this
Yes, but you see Rhode Island is a lot smaller than all those other places.

There simply isn't room for all the erections.
Posted by RealityBites on January 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM · Report this

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