Lawmaker Disagrees With Her Own Bicycle Tax

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Talk about a Freudian slip!
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Your Freudian slip is showing
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Clibborn argues that many bicycle riders have cars too, they pay gay taxes, and everyone ends up shouldering the expense of state roads.


I don't even.
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So there will be $60 million for bike lanes and sidewalks, and bicyclists will be asked to pay for only 1/60th of that? And bicycle advocates aren't jumping for joy? If people let the perfect be the enemy of the good, there'll be no package passed and they'll get zero dollars. Congrats on continuing to be one of the most short-sighted and self-obsessed interest groups, bicycle advocates!
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@1-3) I meant "gay" in the pejorative! Fixed...
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Thieving Democrats will stop at nothing to tax while delivering zero benefit in return.
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@4) To say that Complete Streets money goes entirely to bicycles and pedestrians is wrong. The grants pay for lots and lots of stuff that has nothing to do with bicycles.
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A bicycle tax is downright stupid. On less car on the road is one less car crowding the road. I live in the city one block from a major bike lane. No they DON'T get in the way. The cars in front of me do. The cars parking in crowded neighborhoods are seriously in the way. As a driver I cannot figure out why people hate cyclists so much. Minivans, now they are a nuisance. What they hell is wrong with people who drive those things. They all need a stupid tax.
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So somehow her bill that she wrote is the fault of republicans?
That is a bit of a strech.

Kinda like how Sen. Adam Kline "didn't read" the SENATE BILL 5737 which calls for random searches of the homes of gun owners.

We need to hold our politicians to a higher level of accountability; at the very least they should read and agree with the laws that they propose.
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"would harm hard-working small business owners. Most such bikes are sold by small family-owned bike shops and this would impose red tape and costs for them while creating virtually no revenue."

When has that EVER stopped a Seattle liberal? When?
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Like every other freaking vehicle that uses the road, bikes totally need to start registering their vehicles. If anything, for the public safety as they should never be immune to red light cameras, but are. Charge them the same fee's as mopeds and scooters and require liability insurance.

You have the right to use the road, now comes some of that responsibility.
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@6: when you see the word "tax", does your brain freeze up and you can't read anything after that?
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I disagree with the bike tax too. It's not high enough. Someone with a motor scooter pays $85 a year to use the streets. That's what bicycles should pay.
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If I buy a $500 bicycle, won't I have already paid a large amount of sales tax?
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look the majority of cyclist are going to be killed by cars eventually anyway, so why not just wait for the estate tax dollars to start "rolling" in?
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"Given the benefits people on bicycles provide to the rest of the transportation system by taking cars off the road, this is short-sighted."
I fully support people choosing to get around by bike, and those people given reasonably safe lanes to do so, but this quote irks me. If the goal is fewer cars, try using already built sidewalks and/or take a seat on a bus. Please don't tell me you're doing us all a favor by bicycling.
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Clibborn, thanks for proposing a regressive tax package!

You're part of the problem.

Sure, some of the things are ok, like .7% of a car's value. But, that's still a lot. That's a $35 increase on a $5000 car. For a $15000 car, that's an extra $105. Seriously, that's a big increase.

Also, who's to declare what the value of a car is? Does it have to get assessed? Will the car's history come into play?

And gas tax as well as a flat fee for bikes? Yay regression.
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@14 if I buy a car, won't I have paid a large amount of sales tax?
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If I buy a $50,000 car, won't I have already paid a large amount of sales tax?
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Attention all deadbeats.

If you want stuff pay for it..with property tax.

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How about requiring cyclists over 18 to have insurance to ride on our roads?
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Meanwhile, Rep. Clibborn is still wedded to a stupid, antiquated gas tax and stubbornly refusing to make any progress towards a forward-thinking charge for Vehicle Miles Traveled.

Judy Clibborn is another transportation dinosaur that need to go the way of her old pal Mary Margaret Haugen.
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A map of all high priced bums who won't pay property tax, state by state:

http://taxfoundation.org/article/map-pro…

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@22 If Clibborn is such a dinosaur, why was she a "House Champion" in the Cascade Bicycle Club's own 2012 Legislative Scorecard?

http://cascade.org/advocacy/pdf/leg-scor…
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#15 I tried to win the Powerball last month, but no luck! So if I buy the farm while on my bike, no estate tax! Oh well.
, I tried!
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11, you should use a bike for errands & commuting. Then you'd understand where your argument fails.

The long & short of it is that the entire concept of traffic is based on the car. Infrastructure, the laws, the attitudes are there to accommodate automobiles. You can rant all you like about those damn kids, but nothing will change until bicycles are assumed to have an equal presence in traffic. They require their own dedicated lanes and their own set of rules, so they can interact safely w/ both pedestrians and cars.
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Speaking of Cascade, I posted a forum thread trying to find out if anyone has been fined under the Vulnerable User Bill (fines can be levied up to $5000).

http://www.cascade.org/Community/forum/m…

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Re: freeway flyovers- the onus of providing access across the freeway belongs to the folks who want the freeway at all.
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I'm fine with a bike tax to pay for some crappy bike trails along freeways in the suburbs. But we should also add some car taxes, to pay for each car owner's carbon offsets, clean air offsets, water runoff cleanup, payment to the thousands of family members of people killed by cars every year, plus their funeral expenses, and programs to mitigate the tens if thousands of pets and wildlife killed, and to replace the environment destroyed by car sprawl. Plus a small "fuck you" tax to make it easy to understand.
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Why should a tax on bicycles fund freeways? Freeways are one of the few places bicycles cannot legally ride.

It's like taxing wheelchairs and spending it on stairway construction.
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@30 word!

No, I'll bet Clibborn wishes she didn't have to show her hand so quickly. In doing so, those eastern Republicans might smell the double cross in her tactics.

That said, there is nowhere near enough transit dollars in this one. It raises $10 billion while only giving 7% to non transit and non-motorized? That's nuts and even less than they gave when McGinn thrashed a plan that was even better for transit back in 2008.

This should be interesting? As for my opinion, they aren't calling for a registration or licensing regimen on bikes so no sweat $25 bucks on new bikes could easily have been $25 on bike parts on each sale. I'm sure that it won't affect online sales either. This thing won't even be felt.

Now let's fix the transit problem in the bill!
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It would be nice if we could all take a little different approach at this and consider the entire transportation system. Is there a way to stop bashing cyclists and stop bashing motorists. All of these people are our neighbors. We all need to get where we need to go via some form of transportation. Some have children and schedules that don't allow bikes or buses. Some of us can ride bikes because we have time, showers, or jobs that allow that mode. We need to respect each other and do our best to improve the whole system. We all need to spend a little more time and effort to understand each other's needs. We all benefit from all of the transportation system upgrades and maintenance. Whether the improvement is for safety, freight movement, transit, or bicycles and pedestrians.
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"to pay for each car owner's carbon offsets"

Even if your car is your primary resident?

"water runoff cleanup, payment to the thousands of family members of people killed by cars every year, plus their funeral expenses, and programs to mitigate the tens if thousands of pets and wildlife killed, and to replace the environment destroyed by car sprawl. "

How about a tax for all the good paying auto worker jobs you don't create?

Be careful, your hate is showing.
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I would call a bicycle costing more than $500 a luxury good. Tax away.
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Taxes modify behavior.

Hopefully the tax will modify the behavior of the bike Nazis to STFU about "one more car off the road and the world will be better."
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I look forward in riding on the freeways on my bicycle.
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@34- That's the bottom level price point of a non-toy store bike. If you actually intend to use your bike as a means of transport, you want to pay that's close to the minimum you want to spend.
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@35- Why on earth would it do that?
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#30, for the same reason that my property taxes fund bike lane construction, even though I don't ride a bike.
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#36, so do I.
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A legislator who refuses to compromise, who won't add provisions to a bill to make it palatable to the opposition, who is so dogmatic that she/he would rather forego a bill rather than throw a bone or two to the other side, will inevitably be ineffective.

It's not about dogma. It's about getting something done. (And then you complain about Congress accomplishing nothing...)
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@18 No, you wouldn't. Sales tax on a car is capped at $300, while tax on bicycles is not. And if all of the cyclists on the road decided to take buses, they would add more buses, further increasing congestion. If they ride on the sidewalk at any reasonable speed, then they seriously endanger pedestrians and cause much more harm than good. Seeing as it's relatively easy to ride a bike at an average speed above 15-20mph, it simply doesn't make sense to further crowd sidewalks.
Bike owners pay taxes that subsequently pay for the roads and other infrastructure. You don't pay enough sales tax on your car, I pay sales tax for my bike, especially if it's more expensive. This tax also wouldn't even go to bike infrastructure, so it's just stupid to have bikes subsidizing the laziness of drivers. I don't owe you any favors, but I'm doing the government and the general public a favor by riding my bicycle.
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Sales tax on a car is capped at $300

Nice attempt at yet another bike nazi lie!