What Goes Up Must Come Down

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You know, I'm a good god fearing democrat, but I just got hip to the fact that Boeing (the savior of the Seattle economy) makes warplanes and missiles and horrible weapons that have killed millions of people over the years. And I'm serious, millions. But when I go to my cocktail parties, I never hear anyone talking about that. So here is a nice informational video that shows the pleasant and totally not lethal technology Boeing has developed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XuR-ujd…
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Oh, Jeebus, stop the insanity! When people are injured by bullets while walking down the street, there's a bit of a problem there.
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I wonder what are the odds of that happening?

The other bizarre things is, we get stories of criminals having shootouts with police, where hundreds of bullets are fired at each other, and no one gets hit. What are the odds of that, I wonder?
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As a Jew, you'd think Goldy understood a disarmed populace is not healthy.
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@3, I think the lesson there is that handguns are laughably inaccurate weapons, especially in uncontrolled situations. Just because you can hit a target on the range doesn't mean you can hit jack when it's shooting back. So many flaws to the Lone Hero mindset that drives most gun ownership.
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@ 4, debunked.
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@4: Bingo - Especially now that NSA probably has every Jew tabulated. All it takes is an unfortunate change of presidency to turn a surveillance state into a totalitarian (and anti-semetic) state
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The kid died, happy 4th.

Accident my arse!

Is it time to acknowledge that firearm fetishism / addiction is a disease that requires treatment?

I would be happy increasing my taxes to treat these folks. Maybe we could set up a clinic in the area between Pakistan and Afghanistan to work thru their issues.

The Mullar Omar clinic .
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7 year olds getting shot in the head while out for a walk... That's just the price of freedom.
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How sad. People don't seem to understand that bullets fired into the air do actually come back down. I hope they find the idiot who was randomly firing a gun and charge them.
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Celebratory gunfire is never a good idea.
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@4 and 7- just stop with this already. I'm not sure exactly when or how protestant Americans took ownership of The Holocaust (tm), but you certainly do like to trot it out at every (usually inappropriate) opportunity. Some of us lost family- and abusing their deaths to justify your crackpot bullshit is mightily disrespectful. Stop.
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I must have missed the post before this calling for the ban on all fireworks after all the deaths, dismemberment and burn injury's they caused yesterday.
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I mean it's just physics! What goes up must come down. You shoot into the air and the bullet will come down somewhere, and at high enough speed to hurt or kill someone. Why people never remember this is beyond me. I imagine the fact that alcohol is probably usually involved might have something to do with it. :(
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@1 See WWII.
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@12: Sorry to come across as disrespectful. Let me say, however, that when you combine "Never Forget" with the power and technology of data mining by orders of magnitude that the government has - that should send a chill through every American and especially every minority, gun owner, and religion should an far-right/left/whatever administration were to use that technical power for repressive or elimination purposes.

One other note, careful with the phrase "some of us lost ..." because the person you are addressing could very well fall into that category as well.
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@14: A good stiff Kentucky Whiskey pairs well.
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@16, and for some of us, namely you, the phrase "some of us lost" is followed with "our marbles long ago", or "any sense of reason or proportion on the subject of gun ownership and regulation long ago".
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I don't get how firing a weapon is not an intentional act.
I also don't get how arming the mentally ill and idiots who ignore gun safety leads to protection of freedom. Gun owners should shoot only inanimate targets a mile away from people, or defend their freedom against genuine threats. People walking by, driving their families, hanging outside their apartment complexes, at the hair salon, teaching school are not genuine threats to American freedom. This isn't obvious to everyone with a gun. People shouldn't drive drunk, shouldn't fire weapons while drunk, shouldn't point weapons sideways trying to shoot individuals in a crowded atmosphere. These shouldn'ts are not obvious to everyone who owns a gun.

Why does your culture promote the idea that guns are used to solve arguments or to be fired by people out of their minds?
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when your narcissism depends on NOT understanding the point, you're going to do be deliberately obuse. and throw red herrings at everyt tragedy you can't explain away.

the kid wasn't killed by Boeing, he wasn't killed by Nazis, he wasn't killed by fireworks.

he was killed by an American who is too stupid to be trusted with a gun. who is just as stupid as millions of other American gun owners. i don't mind when their neglegence leads to their deaths, or even the deaths of their children so much, its the rest of us caught in the crossfire.
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Good to see they are looking for the shooter.

@13, I must have missed the part where anyone was calling for a ban on anything.
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This has happened a few times before (wasn't an Amish girl killed last year in the same manner?), and actually crossed my mind as I sat on a grassy hill last night listening to gunshots pepper the fireworks noise.

@4 Do you—or anybody—actually believe that? It would be offensive if it weren't so outrageously ignorant.
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@16- 'Some of us' are exactly the words I want, as to say 'I' or 'we' would be exclusive. 'Some of us' indicates that many folks are included, perhaps others involved in this space. I am not concerned about anyone making these comparisons being directly tied to the loss or survival, as it just doesn't happen.
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To further what I was trying to get at in the first place, lets think of it this way. Some of the crackpot anti-abortion folks make claims about abortions causing ovarian cancer. Let's say your grandma died of ovarian cancer. So I hold up pictures of your grandma, saying "Never again. Stop all abortions."

Using the tragedy of others, to which you have no claim, to further your bullshit is not cool. Never mind the fact that your 'statement of fact' is not particularly true or accurate.
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@24
"Using the tragedy of others, to which you have no claim, to further your bullshit is not cool."

You mean like posting about the death of a child on the other side of the country who you've never met and never heard of before?

It's time for another episode of EVERYONE'S favorite game show
STRANGER TROLLING BINGO!

Today's winning picks are:

Gun nuts!
Thee Olde Seconde Amendmente!
Suicide!
Assault weapons!
Apples and oranges!
You just do not care about X dead Y's!
Tautological tautologies!
Picking cherries!
I don't want to ban all guns but ... !
The NRA!

Beat a straw man for big bonus points!
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Whenever you bring up the idea that regulating guns might be a good idea, the only thing the gun nuts hear is "You want to take away all guns & create a dictatorship! How dare you! Commie! Nazi! Traitor! Ahhhhhh!" John Cleese nailed these people forty years ago...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla…
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You can do something to help prevent this:

http://wagunresponsibility.org/
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The only thing that can stop a bad bullet shot randomly into the air is a good bullet shot randomly into the air.
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of little children.
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Shorter @4, @7: Watch your step, Jew, or you'll get yours someday!
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@31- exactly.
@25 -I would argue that this is an American tragedy, and as such we do have a claim, so long as any statements of fact are accurate. I counted at least 6 'reports' last night that sounded to me like gunshots rather than fireworks. I've been around long enough to know the difference, and I'm positive this happened in everyone's neighborhood, not just mine. Therefore, we have a claim and we have the right to suggest it ought to stop. Ongoing vs historical, universal vs targeted, domestic vs foreign. But it was a great try...totally worthy of a high school stoner term paper.
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@32
"I would argue that this is an American tragedy,"

Of course you would.
Just because it is someone you could not identify on sight.
Nor had you ever met him.
Nor had you ever heard of him before now.

"Using the tragedy of others, to which you have no claim, to further your bullshit is not cool."

So you have to find some way to "claim" this death even though you still don't know anything about him other than the location and manner of his death.

"I counted at least 6 'reports' last night that sounded to me like gunshots rather than fireworks."

Because you heard what you thought were gunshots in Seattle, that means that you can "claim" the death of child in Virginia.
A child you had never met.
A child you had never heard of.
A child you could not identify on sight.
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@33:

Based on your own argument, I never want to hear you use 9/11 as a fucking rationalization for anything that spews out of your pie-hole.

Get it?
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@33, because if it didn't happen to you it didn't happen. Yes, we understand your reasoning perfectly well. Head in the sand. Gotcha.
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@33, though I admit that if I was responsible for as many unnecessary deaths as you and people like you I'd want to bury my head in the sand too.
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What is all the fuss about? You pussy-ass liberals know good and well that when good guys fire bullets at bad guys, the only people the bullets can hit are the bad guys they're aimed at. Haven't you ever been to an action movie, for God's sake? If this isn't reason enough why we should have heavily armed-people blazing away at every first sign of trouble in a public place, I don't know what will convince you. Maybe having someone break into your house and rape your wife and torture your children before killing them all.
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@33: Wait, wait wait. That is exactly what you do every time you get all frothy mouthed at Dan!

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To pile on- yep @33, I think taking account of ongoing tragedies in one's own time, in one's own nation, that seem to be happening at random to one's own population is pretty significantly different than foisting some pro-gun argument onto a situation from 70 years ago. And let's be honest, the right was responsible, both in action and inaction, for that tragedy as it is for this one.

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@39
"I think taking account of ongoing tragedies in one's own time, in one's own nation, that seem to be happening at random to one's own population is pretty significantly different than foisting some pro-gun argument onto a situation from 70 years ago."

I'm sure that that made sense in your head but it does not make any sense now.
What you had originally posted was.

"Using the tragedy of others, to which you have no claim, to further your bullshit is not cool."

But you're going to "claim" the death of a child in Virginia.
A child you had never met.
A child you had never heard of.
A child you could not identify on sight.
But you're going to "claim" that death because you think that you heard gunshots in Seattle.
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@28,

I'm not even talking about that, I'm talking about weird stuff like this:

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/mar/19/…

http://fox40.com/2013/05/18/no-one-injur…

Shootouts where nobody gets hit even though everyone's firing at each other. I just wonder how rare/common that is.
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@ 40, do you know the difference between current events and historical ones? Or a tragedy that is repeated in our country all the time and one that is not happening now?
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I'm just going to repost what I wrote a couple of months back:

Unless there's a news channel I've completely missed, no one in contemporary American politics is even considering totally revoking gun ownership rights. Regulating what guns are available, universalizing background checks, and creating a national registry of gun owners- that is what is on the table. Considering that the only thing about the DMV (which houses essentially the same information and imposes essentially the same restrictions on cars and driver's licenses as what's being proposed for guns and gun ownership) that people bitch about is the customer service, I don't understand what all the Orwellian hysteria is about.

So, yeah, what the fuck's with all the absolutism and the what-if WWII bullshit? Politics aside, isn't less of horrible shit like children needlessly dying a good goal for everyone?
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@42
"do you know the difference between current events and historical ones?"

You are confused about who brought up what subject.
It was "Chris Jury" who brought up the subject "situation from 70 years ago".
So you have embarrassed yourself again.
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@41--It happens a lot. Most American gun owners are totally incompetent.
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"Shootouts where nobody gets hit even though everyone's firing at each other. I just wonder how rare/common that is."

Well, have you ever seen the Ghetto Grip? Too many of our disadvantaged urban brethren never heard of the Isosceles Stance and instead go for the Ice Cube gripe they saw in "Boys in the Hood". It's why so many innocents get clipped in our ghettos.