Episode 198 learns the hard demographic truth: old people run America, and will for a long time. lisegagne / Getty Images


With Dan Savage away, Eli Sanders and Katie Herzog talk about old people. HuffPost writer Michael Hobbes joins in to explain why, as he wrote earlier this year, “America’s defining divide isn’t right vs. left. It’s young vs. old.”

After that, Rich Smith looks at the new abortion ban in Alabama and what it means for Roe v. Wade, then ponders the wisdom of Trump’s trade war and Elizabeth Warren’s refusal to appear in a Fox News town hall.

Finally, Jasmyne Keimig and Charles Mudede discuss Chernobyl, the new HBO series that, according to Charles, just might save the world.

Plus, as always, the music of Ahamefule J. Oluo.