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Apparently they don't like the idea of using the kiss-in to advance a radical agenda like confronting the people who would deny you their rights. We want it to happen in front of Mars Hill in Beltown.
Also, because of the political climate in Washington (with Ref. 71 being an issue), any kiss-in could seem confrontational and therefore may be counter-productive to getting pro-LGBT legislation.
The Nationwide Kiss-In has formally asked we not do ours are the same time so as not to confuse people that we have their consent.
This is the gist of an email sent to the QAC yesterday. Might be stepping over the bounds talking about it, but I think it should be known who is leading the movement and what efforts they see as "legitimate".
there were 2 malls right next to each other, zions and crossroads. zions was always owned by the church but about 6-7 years ago they bought crossroads, the street next to it, and tore everything down to rebuild some sort of super mormon mall right across the street from the temple (with condos on top, of course). part of that involved turning what was once a totally average, public street into a privately owned plaza. they did this after tearing up several streets to build a ton of underground parking. instead of rebuilding parts of it as streets like they used to be, some areas became private plazas.
just want to clarify incase anyone cares about the details.
so rest comfortably knowing they are losing tons of money on their revamp of a significant part of the shopping core of downtown slc since gateway owned all their business. but, knowing utah, chances are the gateway cash is going right into the pockets of some elder lds dipshit.
Wouldn't Boy George have something to say about this?
Fight. The. Power.
Including one of my high school friends and her partner.
Proving once again that Salt Lake City will never rival Paris as a major city.
Ever.
Nationally, one can only place another under citizen's arrest when he or she has witnessed the commission of a felony. Arrests based on hearsay, or concerning misdemeanors or disturbance of the peace are specific to individual states. All are subject to strict liability, so if we wanted to be harsh about it, we could run the individual guards through the lawsuit ringer.
I am clueless about the laws concerning false charges, i.e. when a citizen or a peace officer harasses or effects an arrest based on an ambiguously criminal or non-criminal offense, which might or might not be related to false arrest. I get the feeling, however, that's what was going on here, and what goes on all the time; living while gay seems to be falling into the same category as driving while black.
PS: Having an HTML savvy text editor is cool!
I don't often have that reaction, but honestly, they need to be moistened with their own noseblood.
Get'em while there young.
Incidentally, Lonnie, nice way to twist things around - we're not going to do things your way just because you stomp your feet and pout. Just because we're choosing to handle the issue of homophobia and hate crimes differently from you doesn't mean we care less. It also doesn't mean ours will be somehow ineffective.
NOTE: we're not threatening to sue anybody. On the other hand, we ARE NOT going to have people wrecking the hard work we've put out for the last several weeks, trying to coordinate a peaceful movement. You can do whatever you want with your names and your reputations, but you will NEVER do it with ours. If you thought for half a minute that you would suddenly take over this movement - and you did, via that press release you were going to send out - and turn everyone else's Kiss-In events into Mormon-stormin' socialist fundraisers, you seriously thought wrong.
Join the Impact Washington stands in solidarity with the Great Nationwide Kiss-in. We strongly support their positive message and their position to not endorse Kiss-ins that our direct assaults on religious organizations. Join the Impact is committed to open communication and a positive dialogue with people of all religious affiliations, even those that traditionally oppose equal rights. We strongly believe positive interactions and a continued effort to communicate our stories, hopes, and dreams will win more support than aggressive tactics proposed by others.
I certainly understand the desire for people to express themselves in public. As the Washington State Community Organizer for Join the Impact I have been proud to organize several Join the Impact events in solidarity with our organizers throughout the country and state. I urge those of you who interested in helping the community to volunteer with the Approve Ref. 71 campaign, also known as Washington Families Standing Together. Together we will protect domestic partnerships from those who do not yet understand us. E-mail volunteer@wafst.org and show your support on facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#/p…
Thank you,
Joe Mirabella
Washington State Community Organizer Join the Impact
http://www.jointheimpact.org
We are angry! We are frustrated! And we are letting that get in the way of us moving forward! We have slowly allowed the militant factions within our community to highjack our struggle, thus becoming the very thing that we hate. We are losing this battle and the blame lies squarely on our shoulders. It is time to set aside our difference and begin the process of healing our community, so that we may move forward with a united voice!
Yet, it is sad to think that we have allowed our selfish interest get in the way of protecting our families, friends, and individual rights. There is a time and a place to stand up and fight with blind emotion... However, the game has changed. We are no longer fighting a battle that can be won with blunt-force trauma! The only way that we can ever change hearts and minds, is my stand up and living our lives in an open and honest manner. We must push for constructive and positive dialogue, and to make love and forgiveness our driving principle!! To think that by attack a religious organization (who - point in fact - has done nothing to harm our goal of passing Ref 71) then we already lost! Rather then creating an unnecessary controversy (on which the right will pounce upon) we should consider opening a dialogue with that group and their members. I am all for the Kiss-In movement in principle! I think that, when executed correctly, it is a non-threatening and thought provoking statement!
However, if we has a community put half as much effort into coming together and focusing on the ultimate goal of equal protection under the law for all in our community, as we do in fighting with each other, we would be light-years ahead of where we stand now! Instead, curtain groups and individuals become unwilling to compromise, jockey for position, or work to undermine the value of others within the LGBT Community. It is sad, childish, and ultimately self-destructive! I am heartbroken to think that we may lose this fight because we tore each other down, instead of building one another up!
We in the community, both locally and nationally are faced with the a very daunting question: Are we going to forgive and come together under the banner of love and family? Or - Are we going to allow this childish pickering to tare us apart? This is not the Right-Wing's battle to win... Rather is it is ours to lose!
I would ask that anyone who has taken time to read this, sit back and reflect on whether or not your actions have harmed, or helped our causes! Have you torn down, or built up? Are you willing to take responsibility for your own actions and forgive those who have hurt you? Or, will you continue to cut off the nose to spite the face?
And I must warn, that if we do not begin to recognize these problems, it will be our undoing.
-Zachary