I really hope that was tongue in cheek and your not actually condoning killing dogs.If you don't like a breed that's fine but thinking the breed should be eliminated like some sort of ethnic cleansing is just hateful and sad.
i agree in general about the pot, but in this particular case, if dealing was funding dog fighting, i see it as a good thing that his source of income was eliminated, even if only temporarily.
You can't have one without the other. The favorite 'security' system employed by most marijuana farms are pit bulls. Pit bulls and marijuana farms go hand in hand. What surprised me the most was the number, and that they're well able to effectively trapped t 15 of them, I don't know what for tho, cause I pity whoever ends up with one of those dogs.
the article needs some clarification, that's for sure: elementary or middle school? dogs attacking the officers or another dog? if they were attacking the officers, then, although i am pro-pit bull, it is obvious that they are not fit for homes. if they were attacking another dog, then being pro-pit bull, that's what they were trained to do and it does not necessarily translate into any danger for people. i volunteered to assist with the care of the 500 dogs seized in the midwest bust - of which about 2/3 were saved and are either in loving homes or in approved rescues looking for loving homes. i can only hope that the other 15 in this case are evaluated individually and not summarily killed - times have changed and i hope elgin is up to speed on those changes.
The thing about cops killing dogs on drug raids is that they do it ROUTINELY, no matter what the dogs are doing, no matter what kind of dogs they are, and no matter if they have the right address. It's part of their whole pseudo-military mindset and just another sick symptom of the drug war.
That was a perfectly executed punch line Dan. I had no idea where you were going with it (what conflict?) and when I got to the last line, I literally laughed out loud. Well done.
Personally, I hate pot. I think it stinks, and I hate the feeling of being high, but people can do as they please in their own private lives.
The dogs are sad. Really. Pitbulls, when raised appropriately, are such sweet, beautiful animals. It makes me sick when people train them to fight. If they were abused, a portion of them would likely have been euthanized anyway, since they likely would not have been able to be rehomed. It's tragic, really.
Dan, fuck your anti-pit-bull obsession. I have known enough good pits and pit mixes with good, loving owners, who cared enough to properly train their dogs, to know better about this breed, or any other beed labeled as dangerous. Fuck your attitude about these loving dogs.
And fuck everyone else who agrees with him on this. You're being ignorant.
tingley, i hear what you are saying. i do. i have known many nice pits and mixes too. i let my kids pet them (if they're attended, as with any dog) and do believe that they are products of their upbringing. i am against anything resembling a breed ban.
however, it is true that for the most part, other dogs don't just flip, after years of good behavior, and tear your face off. and if/when other dogs do flip out, it is rarely fatal. yes, a chihuahua is far more likely to be a biter, but it's not able to rip out your throat, and it can be stopped. a chihuahua snaps it's teeth at you; it does not keep at it's "prey" until it is torn apart. a chihuahua will not take on a pack mentality, as seen in so many incidents involving multiple pits.
i am a true dog lover through and through, and as compassionate towards these breeds/mixes as anyone i've known. but the statistics simply can't be ignored/explained away. i'll be the first to admit i don't have the first idea what the solution is, but it's flat-out irresponsible to pretend there isn't a problem.
It is true that in the past 20 years, "pit bulls" have been responsible for most fatal dog attacks. However, these statistics never seem to account for the mystery of how these dogs existed on American farms for over 50 + years with nary a mention of unusual aggression.
The pit bull's primary problem is a simple one--their too popular. The thing is, the temperament of the pit bull--that of a large terrier that can be dog aggressive, but not human aggressive--is not a unique one. I have seen plenty of dogs with the exact same mindset as a pit bull. Airedale terriers, boxers, and Jack Russells come to mind. However, the last three dogs have not garnered the "vicious" dog reputation that the pit bull has, and so they are not popular with the idiot masses (yet).
If you take the current dog fatality statistics and adjust for popularity of the breed, what you find is that pit bulls are *not* the most fatally aggressive breed. Adjusting for numbers of dogs actually owned versus those responsible for fatal attacks, you find that malamutes, st. bernards, huskies, great danes, and german shepherds are actually the dogs that are mostly likely to kill a person.
Pit bulls don't make the cut.
The only way the pit bull is going to escape this "vicious" dog rap and disappear from the annual fatality lists, is when the breed goes out of fashion. This is what happened to the rottweiler, doberman, and the bloodhound. Yes, the bloodhound. In the 1920s, the bloodhound was considered the vicious dog of the day. Also, enforcement of neutering/spaying for nonbreeding pets, enforced dog training, are some ideas that have been passed around, but the likelihood of compliance is still an issue.
And when the pit bull fades into pre-1970s obscurity, another "bad dog" will take its place. It always happens. There will always be idiots ready to take a perfectly decent breed and ruin it for everyone else.
Oh yeah, DEFINITELY a net positive.
Someone call PETA! Wont someone think of the puppies!
I agree that it was definitely a net gain.
The dogs are sad. Really. Pitbulls, when raised appropriately, are such sweet, beautiful animals. It makes me sick when people train them to fight. If they were abused, a portion of them would likely have been euthanized anyway, since they likely would not have been able to be rehomed. It's tragic, really.
And fuck everyone else who agrees with him on this. You're being ignorant.
however, it is true that for the most part, other dogs don't just flip, after years of good behavior, and tear your face off. and if/when other dogs do flip out, it is rarely fatal. yes, a chihuahua is far more likely to be a biter, but it's not able to rip out your throat, and it can be stopped. a chihuahua snaps it's teeth at you; it does not keep at it's "prey" until it is torn apart. a chihuahua will not take on a pack mentality, as seen in so many incidents involving multiple pits.
i am a true dog lover through and through, and as compassionate towards these breeds/mixes as anyone i've known. but the statistics simply can't be ignored/explained away. i'll be the first to admit i don't have the first idea what the solution is, but it's flat-out irresponsible to pretend there isn't a problem.
It is true that in the past 20 years, "pit bulls" have been responsible for most fatal dog attacks. However, these statistics never seem to account for the mystery of how these dogs existed on American farms for over 50 + years with nary a mention of unusual aggression.
The pit bull's primary problem is a simple one--their too popular. The thing is, the temperament of the pit bull--that of a large terrier that can be dog aggressive, but not human aggressive--is not a unique one. I have seen plenty of dogs with the exact same mindset as a pit bull. Airedale terriers, boxers, and Jack Russells come to mind. However, the last three dogs have not garnered the "vicious" dog reputation that the pit bull has, and so they are not popular with the idiot masses (yet).
If you take the current dog fatality statistics and adjust for popularity of the breed, what you find is that pit bulls are *not* the most fatally aggressive breed. Adjusting for numbers of dogs actually owned versus those responsible for fatal attacks, you find that malamutes, st. bernards, huskies, great danes, and german shepherds are actually the dogs that are mostly likely to kill a person.
Pit bulls don't make the cut.
The only way the pit bull is going to escape this "vicious" dog rap and disappear from the annual fatality lists, is when the breed goes out of fashion. This is what happened to the rottweiler, doberman, and the bloodhound. Yes, the bloodhound. In the 1920s, the bloodhound was considered the vicious dog of the day. Also, enforcement of neutering/spaying for nonbreeding pets, enforced dog training, are some ideas that have been passed around, but the likelihood of compliance is still an issue.
And when the pit bull fades into pre-1970s obscurity, another "bad dog" will take its place. It always happens. There will always be idiots ready to take a perfectly decent breed and ruin it for everyone else.
that was the best post in a while. thanks!