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"Thou shalt not wear a garment woven w/ one kind of thing and another kind of thing."
The real reason God hates America. We're all wearing blends.
I'm growing increasingly furious with so-called religious types using their idea of god to defend bigotry.
My brother, a devout Catholic who supports marriage equality, recently got into an argument with a girl where she declared that being gay cannot be natural (she thinks children from broken homes turn gay) b/c if god makes people gay - it wouldn't be a sin. We shared frustration on her being so close to a breakthrough, but falling short.
Sigh.
If this is her, then it must be death by cannibalism:
http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lc/laur…
I could be wrong. Maybe the indirectness of the statement is just her idea of "tact."
We've broken some exciting new ground here!
Let's recapitulate:
>Dan doesn't believe in the Bible and loves to mock the Bible and people who profess to believe it.....
>The Slog Faithful trot out their favorite Mosaic Law dictates; "polyester!" "shrimp!"...
> Kim apologizes for all Christians who aren't like her....
This conversation grows more stimulating every time we have it!
I was stolen by a gay man once. It was a strange experience. I just woke up one day in a strangely familiar bed in a very nicely decorated apartment. I mean, there I had been, just minding my own business, having sex with (female, of course) models all the time, and now I don't remember a thing but I'm in this bed and it kinda smells like... man. So I get up and make my way out and just as I'm escaping the building I see this trim, 30-something dude with designer shoes going into the apartment. Well, I don't mind telling you, I took off running and never looked back. To this day I glance back over my shoulder a little nervously every time I walk down the street in Cap Hill.
I just want to tell my story, you know? I know I can't be the only one. I just know I was lucky enough to escape and I want people to know that yes, even today, these things happen. They happen in your city. Someone you know might be a victim of Gay Theft. So keep your eyes open. You could save a heterosexual life.
http://www.bilerico.com/2010/02/standing…
Not this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
In the New Testament, which i am assuming is important to this lady, who is prolly a conservative protestant, Jesus is the fulfillment of Torah, which means he's the coming of all these prophecies and what have you, the final sacrifical lamb, which absolves his followers of having to do literal sacrfices and keep Old Testament cleanliness/rabinnical laws. Like this one. "Its not what goes into the mouth but what comes from it that makes a man unclean", which is a rough paraphrase, and i forget precisely where that's at, and i am absolutely not responsible for the incredibly easy gay sex joke set up i just created
but thats my religious studies degree two cents
In the New Testament, which i am assuming is important to this lady, who is prolly a conservative protestant, Jesus is the fulfillment of Torah, which means he's the coming of all these prophecies and what have you, the final sacrifical lamb, which absolves his followers of having to do literal sacrfices and keep Old Testament cleanliness/rabinnical laws. Like this one. "Its not what goes into the mouth but what comes from it that makes a man unclean", which is a rough paraphrase, and i forget precisely where that's at, and i am absolutely not responsible for the incredibly easy gay sex joke set up i just created
but thats my religious studies degree two cents
Then your beef should be with the (Liberal) media.
And bloggers like Dan.
Who present a distorted biased inaccurate picture of Christianity and religion.
Who magnify and highlite every negative but ignore the thousands of positive things that happen.
however, i'm not sure how Jesus "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" feels about gaudy, expensive pageants
A few years in the real world will straighten her out...so to speak.
I do wonder if NOM will snatch her up as a new mascot. Then she can tell the world in NOMs name how gays should be stoned to death.
Unfortunately, negative actions are the ones remembered and given attention and by just the media but within human nature as well. It is easier to nurture a grudge than to forgive for most humans.
not just by the media...
The passage can also be read metaphorically. As one often finds that they must unload their " baggage" inorder to pass through the gate.
You certainly may have a beef with whomever you please....
In @21 you wished that if a Christian or Christian group was going to be covered in the news it would be for their (charitable) deeds and actions.
If a Christian group does a thousand acts of selfless service and the media is aware of it and if one member of the congregation is guilty of a crime and all the media reports is the crime who is to blame?
People like Dan intentionally present a false distorted picture of Christianity.
If your 'wish' @21 is a teeny bit sincere you should be able to muster even just a tiny spark of indignation at that dishonesty, even if it is committed by those whose approval you crave.
Guess we all know where she's going when she croaks.
A very lovely metaphor, no?
xoxo
Awww. God just hates Buck Angel?
:(
Buck's a nice guy.
Those who proclaim loudly of their compliance and devotion, should expect to be scrutinized. They have invited attention, and in a sense have proclaimed themselves as a living example of Jesus to be emulated. The responsibility to act Christ-like at all times rests on the one who proclaims that they represent him. When they commit a crime or act hypocritically they bring shame to the One they claim to represent and the community they belong to.
For those refused the compassion that their humanity demands, and are kept strangers at the gate, unwelcome at the table, the wounds are deep. They have been judged and rejected. It is to be expected that they will judge those who judge them and don't live up to the very standards they use to judge others. It is not the moral obligation of the rejected to give grace to the fallen Christian. It is the Christians job to remember that they fall short and to avoid rejecting others.
I don't need Dan Savage's approval nor do I crave it. He is free to agree or disagree with me, just as you are. He is free to like me or dislike me, just as you are. Many people disagree with me, many people dislike me, some disagree with me and dislike me. It is okay. And, when I disagree with Dan Savage, I tell him so, sometimes on SLOG and sometimes in an email.
btw #47: If you say "I feel like God...[gave] a pretty stern warning, and he knows more than we do about life" in reference to a Levitical passage about killing gays, that qualifies as advocating the execution of gays.
And after that she still trots out the "I've got gay friends and there's no hate between us" routine.
but i'm taking a step back..you know, i was raised really conservative, though i never bought the gay people ought to be stoned to death, there was a time in my life i thought being gay was wrong because of jebus, and then I grew up and grew some empathy and independant thought. maybe she'll come to regret ( or, better yet, repent) of that nonsense.
but one thing i dont get : how do these pageant girls get by with hating on gays? don't gays like, RUN the pageant world, making costumes/doing hair/makeup ? pageant gays should totally just eff up these girls hair, or make them have stupid dresses.take that, public appearences!
Gay Guys!
Look out!
Lauren Ashley is coming after you with some Tabasco Sauce in one hand and a spork in the other!
No.s 50 and 51 - if there really was a cadre of ghey terrorists intent on overturning society with some 'homosexual agenda', wouldn't they find all the so-called gay friends of all these bigots and denounce them as traitors to the cause?
I lol'd
id est, give up your worldly things and show humility towards God.
That's from Sunday school a while back, so I may be missing an element.
PS: Not Hymen, Vaginal Corona.
The responsibility of Journalists is to tell the truth.
If the truth is that a group does much more good than bad, that is the story responsible Journalists will tell. To distort the truth and present a false image of the group is a lie.
If a news outlet only reported on Blacks when they committed crimes, and repeatedly highlighted every crime a Black committed, and sensationalized those reports to make them seem worse than they were, and hammered the theme that Blacks are criminals, and repeatedly proclaimed that Blacks are an enemy to society would you shrug "oh why is it the media's job or Dan's job to give Blacks good press?"
The Nazis did exactly that to Jews,
to prepare Germans for the Holocaust.
The KKK did it to Blacks.
Rawanda.
Bosnia.
Dan does it to Christians.
It is a lie.
It is wrong.
Because you also dislike the groups Dan targets you shrug.
The comparison to Jesus is apt.
He did marvelous good works.
The ruling class was still filled with hatred for him.
They were unmoved by His good works and only more determined to kill Him.
They lied about what he had done.
They distorted what he did and said.
They loudly repeatedly proclaimed Him a threat.
They whipped their credulous followers into a frenzy.
"Why is it Caiaphas' job or Pilate's job to give Jesus good press?"
.
"Those who 'proclaim loudly' of their compliance and devotion, should expect to be scrutinized."
scru·ti·nize: To examine or observe with great care.
With great care.
Noting the good as well as the bad.
Noting the 1000 good acts for every bad act.
Feel free to scrutinize.
Do not distort.
Do not misrepresent.
.
When Christians reject sin they do not reject the sinner.
Your Jesus will save the people from their sins-
if they forsake them and follow Him.
Your Jesus rejected sin. And condemned it.
Christianity is not holding hands with the sinners and saying 'there is no sin' and skipping to Gommorah.
Kum Ba Ya.....
You are offended by those who reject the sin of homosexual behavior.
Are there ANY sins you reject?
Hypocricy?
Lying?
Adultery?
Fornication?
Murder?
Or is the only sin you reject the sin of believing a different version of Christianity than that you embrace...
Pride goeth before a fall.
It takes no Love or Compassion to look the other way and allow people to wallow in sinful behavior.
Only indifference to the consequences of and damage wrought by engaging in behavior your Jesus has taught leads to destruction.
The only Love that counts is the Tough Love that helps others see the path to happiness.
Covering the path or pretending is does not exist is not Love.
Is not Compassion.
She literally spoke about gays being put to death. That is not simply being negative. That should be Godwinning you out of polite society. But it is not. It is going to get her on the wingnut welfare tour, no matter the results of the pageant.
I mean why focus on the negative?
Sure they may have done a few things wrong, but you never hear of the good deeds.
And, if it makes you happy to sit behind your computer screen and to judge others, who you know nothing about, anonymously; go for it. If you think that you are providing a fountain of morality and effective witness; think again. You come across as a religious bully with a chip on your shoulder; not someone to be taken seriously.
We are done. Have a nice day.
It means what it says.
Leviticus contains many intrusive and draconian provisions; totalitarianism is a harsh preceptor. But I am not aware of any provision in that book that prescribes death as punishment for the loss of virginity. Can you cite to a chapter and verse?
In the meantime, fuck the Old Testament. The New Testament requires that women be modestly appareled (not half fucking naked). Will this contest not require Ms. Bambi here to display a portion of her assets to a leering world?
Deuteronomy 22:13-21
Marriage Violations
13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," 15 then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver [a] and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.
You have a nice day as well.
Sorry to have intruded on the little lovefest you have here on Slog, you know; Kim condemns "the majority of Christians" for being unenlightened hatefille bigots and tells the homosexuals Jesus loves sodomy and in return they annoint her the Saint of Slog.
Did you see Paranormal Activity? That chick's face when she was laying in bed, after convincing her boyfriend not to leave the house?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Timothy_2…)
Bob knows his Bible.
He wanks off to Leviticus every day.
You're a pompous jerk. There are mainline Christian denominations and individual non-denominational churches that do not agree with your take on gays. Yet, you think that you are correct... talk about pride. Seriously, STFU you hypocrite. If you're offended by what you read here, then GTFO.
Your rantings are garbage. Click goes the unregistered comment button.
"Thy bond-men and thy bond-maids which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you? And they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bond-man forever." Leviticus 25:44-46
God loves for peeps to have slaves too!
you are sooo precious!
Hmmmm.
Also, there's a whole hell of a lot in Leviticus, I believe, expressly AGAINST incest. It lists all the people you're not supposed to get it on with (sisters, half-sisters, sisters-in-law, step-mothers, mothers, aunts, daughters, etc.) in a way that is more or less identical with today's prohibitions. The closest to incest that that book comes to condoning is a few instances in which cousins get married.
I know you're just trying to make the point that we shouldn't be fanatics, but you just made an ass of yourself, catballou.
genesis 9:20-25 ham sees Noah having sex with someone other than Mrs Noah. What other women are available? his daughters.
Adam & Eve as the father and mother of mankind, did we miraculously find non relatives to fuck somewhere in there?
2 Kings 3:27 Moab gives his firstborn as a burnt offering, his enemy is repelled by a great wrath.
Abraham was given a ram to kill, after demonstrating his willingness to sacrifice his son. That's a nice family story.
So you see, I'm not making an ass of myself. Nor am I trying to make a point about fanatacism. I'm not even going to point back at you and tell you that you're wrong. I don't subscribe to the Henry Ford like approach to religion, in which you can follow any faith you'd like, so long as it's mine.
Now, is it at all possible for us to have civilization, personal morality, and non judgement of others without waving around the original work of fiction?
Rob in Baltimore is a nappy gay man!
Genesis 9:20-25 you have all wrong. If you read it, it is more or less as follows:
Noah gets drunk in his tent and takes off his clothes. Ham notices and he and his brothers Shem and Yefeth walk backwards with a blanket to cover up their dad. Ham gets cursed because he peeked. Nothing about incest, just some icky didn't-need-to-see-that biznass.
According to the Bible, Adam and Eve are the father and mother of mankind, but there are a lot of inconsistencies. For example, in Genesis 4:14, Cain exclaims "I am to be restless and isolated in the world, and whoever finds me will kill me" upon hearing his punishment pronounced. This implies that there were indeed other people out there unrelated to the family of Adam and Eve. The Pentateuch is somewhat silent on this seeming contradiction, and is another reason not to be a fanatic.
The Moabites were polytheists, and those who they were repelling were the Israelites, according to the verse you reference. An alternate translation (ancient Hebrew is a very tricky thing) is "Israel's anger was great" rather than "there was great anger against Israel", suggesting that the Israelites were so repulsed that they withdrew, having already razed the enemy's domain.
The test of the non-sacrifice of Yitzhak was not condoning human sacrifice, but rather demonstrating the depth of Avraham's faith. If you read the text, it is clearly so.
I'm not saying you need to or should believe. I'm just saying that you give the religious wackos more ammunition against us when you make false claims about the values outlined in their holy book(s). In effect, you're giving the rest of us a bad name and making an ass of yourself in the process.
'Miss Beverly Hills' moniker has city crying foul
The designation is claimed by a Miss California USA contestant who opposes gay marriage. But the city says it has no beauty pageant and there is no such title.
In a statement Wednesday, the city said it was “shocked” by Ashley’s description of herself as “Miss Beverly Hills.” The city “does not sponsor a beauty pageant and has no association with Miss California USA,” the statement said. “As such, there should be no individual claiming the title of Miss Beverly Hills.”
The city's statement said Ashley lives in Pasadena and "does not represent Beverly Hills in any capacity."
Beverly Hills Mayor Nancy Krasne said “We are dismayed by any potential association with the city of Beverly Hills, which has a long history of tolerance and respect."
Beverly Hills said it had contacted pageant officials to see how to prevent any future beauty contestants from claiming the title of Miss Beverly Hills. The pageant is put on by K2 Productions in L.A. Ashley declined comment.
darn, venom- I'm impressed!
and catballou; yeah man, you totally assed yourself.
plus an embarrassing reading comprehension fail...
no, actually it does not qualify as advocating the execution of gays. it qualifies as agreeing that homosexuality is a sin. Dan's leap to the conclusion that she supports the execution of gays is completely false. At no time did she state support for that idea. Dan assumes she does because he always assumes the worst of those he considers his enemies. It is one of the many reasons he will always fail to change any opinions on such matters.
When it comes to his targets, he's much like Sarah Palin in that he loves to get in the mud to fight them and no idiot is too insignificant for him to engage in these arguments. Sarah goes after not so bright Levi, Dan goes after not so bright beauty queens. At least, when it comes to intellect, it is a fair fight in both cases.
Four idiots walk into the bar, bartender says "Dan, Levi, Sarah, Ashley, stfu for a minute and tell me what you want to drink."
What if I reference a law calling for the execution of all people who like cranberry sauce and say "The law is as clear as the nose on your face, and the guy who made the law is a really smart guy." Does it sound like I'm just saying that liking cranberry sauce is a bad thing, or am I expressing support for that particular law? Of course, this law would result in most of the world dying, since cranberry sauce is awesome.
Now if she had merely mentioned the part about gay sex being evil, then I could see your point. Why would she also quote the bit about how guys who have gay sex should be killed, unless she too thinks so?
Clearly you either lack the capacity for critical thought or any sort of higher reasoning, or you suppress your ability to do so when it leads to conclusions you don't like.
In the quotation you listed she only factually describes what and how the Bible addresses the issue.
You make assumptions about her opinion that the quotation does not support.
(You do realize that all assumptions start with an Ass, don't you?...)
What she said: "The Bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman. In Leviticus it says, 'If man lies with mankind as he would lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death and their blood shall be upon them.' The Bible is pretty black and white."
What she said paraphrased: "according to the Bible men who have sex with men are to be killed. It's very clear."
Not sure what you're having difficulty with here.