Blogs Mar 16, 2010 at 7:20 am

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"β€œPets can be accommodated comfortably and safely in airplane cargo holds, which is where they belong." Um..."safely" is certainly up for debate. The main reason people take their pets into the cabin is due to the high death rate of pets placed in cargo. Maybe put the folks who are allergic in cargo and see how comfortable and safe it is.
2
I think they should be allowed to bring pit bulls on board. A kind of "Snakes on Planes" theme flight.
3
I'm crazy allergic to animals--still sneezing and miserable even when drugged to the gills--so this would be a really nice change for me.

And speaking of service animals, I was recently on a plane with a woman who had a giant Newfoundland with her as a service animal. She wasn't blind so I'm thinking it must have been for a mental issue like anxiety or something. The poor thing was so huge he took up two seats and still had his massive paws in the aisle.
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Wow @1, that's kind of harsh. People with allergies are not animal haters, you know.
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I suspect this is good news for Pet Airways http://petairways.com/
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@ 3 What is your point about the woman not being blind and possibly needing the dog for other issues?
7
if you just go to the doctor and ask for xanax do they give it to you?
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Has this ever actually been a problem? I guess I'll be more convinced when I see some stats on numbers of traveler complaints on the issue, but I've yet to hear of anyone going into anaphylactic shock from an animal in the cabin. As the blog post doesn't list any numbers, I'm thinking there aren't any.
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@1: or just leave your fucking precious poo-poo doodles at home with a pet sitter. Little stinky butt-butt puppy doesn't need to go with you to visit aunt Ida in Laramie. Or if you're moving or something that requires your pets to go with you, ship them overland; Amtrak doesn't forget to pressurize or heat their cargo cars; you can probably even ride along right there with them so you don't miss one precious mew-mew kitty vomit moment. I wonder how high the correlation of people who defend taking their hairballs in the cabin and complain about noisy kids is? Service animals are cool, though.
10
Ummm. I'd be careful with the masturbation thing.

A 21-year-old Harris County woman filed a $200,000 lawsuit against American Airlines alleging employees on a flight to Los Angeles from Dallas/Fort Worth Airport failed to protect her while she slept from another passenger who masturbated to her and ejaculated in her hair, according to a lawsuit she filed last week in Tarrant County.

Read more: http://startelegram.typepad.com/sky_talk…

Or this fellow who got arrested...

Murali Krishna Nookella, a local IT employee on his way to Denver for a conference, was masturbating in front of the woman sitting next to him during a Southwest Airlines flight originating in Philadelphia, according to a federal affidavit.

When Nookella got off Flight 228 on Monday, he was arrested and subsequently charged for obscene and indecent exposure, a misdemeanor, "by exhibiting his penis to a female passenger," according to the federal criminal complaint filed in Denver.

Before he was discovered with tissue in hand, Nookella appeared friendly toward the female passenger, according to the affidavit. The woman, identified only as C.S.A. in documents, soon opened her laptop, put on headphones and checked e-mails.

Then, Nookella leaned back in his seat and had a blanket up to his waist. "C.S.A. noticed that Nookella's eyes were closed as his hands moved all around his groin area underneath his blanket," the document said.

C.S.A. felt "the situation was weird" and started to pack her computer to change seats when she saw "him holding his erect penis," the affidavit said.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepa…
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On my last flight the guy next to me (who was in the middle of three seats) was holding an overgrown toddler. I would much have preferred a small animal.

Eventually the kid sprawled out on the floor and went to sleep under the three pairs of legs above him.
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4 - no, but the statement "Pets can be accommodated comfortably and safely in airplane cargo holds" is completely and totally up for debate. i call bullshit.

i would say that most cats and dogs are NOT comfortable when stuck in a small carrier, separated from their owners and stuck in a giant crazy loud maybe cold or hot place with all sorts of pressure differences, strange objects etc. most cats at least are miserable. and then "safe?"

Organizations like the Humane Society actually recommend to NEVER travel your pet by air, for the safety of the animal.
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/res…
They may be exaggerating bc they are the Humane Society (see website), but stating "comfortable and safe" like it is truth DOES make one want to hate the editorial Dan posted like it is self-serving bullshit.

"...animals continue to be killed, injured, or lost on commercial flights each year. Our pets can face risks including excessively hot or cold temperatures, poor ventilation, scarcity of oxygen, and rough handling when flown in the "cargo" area of a plane."
and
"The airline industry treats live animals as baggage. In the past, airlines have neither responded appropriately to reports of animal injuries, nor provided accurate information to the public."
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Hey that's not my dick in my hand, officer. It's my companion animal.
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4 - no, but the statement "Pets can be accommodated comfortably and safely in airplane cargo holds" is completely and totally up for debate. i call bullshit.

i would say that most cats and dogs are NOT comfortable when stuck in a small carrier, separated from their owners and stuck in a giant crazy loud maybe cold or hot place with all sorts of pressure differences, strange objects etc. most cats at least are miserable. and then "safe?"

Organizations like the Humane Society actually recommend to NEVER travel your pet by air, for the safety of the animal.
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/res…
They may be exaggerating bc they are the Humane Society (see website), but stating "comfortable and safe" like it is truth DOES make one want to hate the editorial Dan posted like it is self-serving bullshit.

"...animals continue to be killed, injured, or lost on commercial flights each year. Our pets can face risks including excessively hot or cold temperatures, poor ventilation, scarcity of oxygen, and rough handling when flown in the "cargo" area of a plane."
and
"The airline industry treats live animals as baggage. In the past, airlines have neither responded appropriately to reports of animal injuries, nor provided accurate information to the public."
15
Given the craziness of some people with their pets maybe the pet airlines thing should be an option more advertised. I mean if you lose your mind to the point that you consider an animal a family member that needs to travel with you everywhere then you should have no problem booking them a flight on a special airline for them. Because very few people actually need to have a service animal with them on an airplane.
16
Well, the minute the airlines outlaw stinky ass smokers (yes you EXUDE smoke residue), perfumes, lotions, and obesity, I will stop paying $125 to shove my cat under the seat in front of me (where you never see or smell her).
17
I would never transport my dog by air unless it was absolutely imperative, and I would be extremely reluctant to put him in the cargo hold for the reasons people give above.

As for the articles by the CMA, if you read the comments most people are opposed to this plan for the very sensible reason that far too few people are sufficiently allergic to dogs and cats (particularly when, as is the case with most airlines, they must be transported in a closed carrier under a seat) to make this a real problem.
18
I dont mind animals so much, but can children be accomodated in the cargo area? or how about the back of the plane at least? noisy little bastards.
19
ugh. there is this annoyingly rude hag in fremont that takes her smelly dachshund into PCC, and when confronted, says it's her 'service animal' even though it's blatantly not, and usually in her jacket. the worst part? she feeds it in the store. disgusting.
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I can't say that I share your concerns, I like flying as a means of transportation. I also like children, even when they are fussing and crying, dogs when they drool on my shoe, nervous flyers that want their hand held or to be distracted, and those who enjoy masturbation. It is all good and wonderful to me.

So, thanks for the smile, Dan. I needed it.
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@9: And when I moved here from South Dakota, which has no passenger rail? What would you have proposed then?
22
Please note: I am a parent, I fly with a child, and have been flying with a child since the kid was a month old. (Mercifully he's always been a good, docile flyerβ€”the same can't be said about his dads, though). And when the flight attendants joked about how everything went to shit when they started letting kids on planes, I didn't explode in a fireball of righteous indignation. And when people in comments here joke about putting kids in cargo holds, I don't explode into a fireball of righteous indignation.

Wouldn't it be great if dog owners had a sense of humor too?
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@21: Drive. Or put it in the cargo hold with the other peoples' things.
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Only small animals are allowed in the cabin, there's a limit of two in coach and one in first class, the fees are now approaching ridiculous (something like $175 each way), the pet replaces one allowed carryon, and he or she has to stay in a carrier under the seat the entire time. A reservation is required to have the pet in the cabin.

I've done this a few times to move overseas and back, and it's not really such a super fun convenience for me or my cat that I do it voluntarily on a whim. But I make that reservation WELL in advance, and someone with allergies is welcome to call the airline about it and I'm sure they'd block all the pet reservations and steer callers towards a pet-free flight, or they could ask to be seated away from pets before boarding. But of course people with allergies never do this, they just expect everyone else to accommodate their allergies after they're already on the plane.

Oh and most of the time nobody even NOTICES that I have a cat in the cabin. Certainly no one has ever showed signs of allergies. I'm guessing a cat in a carrier under the seat cowering the whole time isn't kicking up a lot of dander.
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Of course, the gigantic difference between the two situations is that dogs are routinely transported in cargo holds whereas children are not; and a bunch of people whining about their dubious allergies can forever end the ability of people to transport their animals in airplane cabins, whereas people complaining about misbehaving children -- even those who screech non-stop during entire flights while their parents sit glassy-eyed -- are met at best with righteous indignation.
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Well, the obvious solution would be to set apart the five or ten feet at the back of the cabin and put the animals in there (with a partition between them and the hairless beach apes). But the airlines would never go for that, as then they'd be able to fit fewer people on a flight.
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Dan, I agree that someone's pet shouldn't qualify as a service animal simply because the owner has a personality disorder.

But dander allergies are no reason to ban pets from airplanes. It's too bad pets make you sneezy (certainly explains your shitty attitude towards dogs), but are you really that big of a baby that you can't just take a benadryl and deal with it like the rest of us adults who have allergies?
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Also to anyone suggesting Amtrak, they don't allow pets. This is a dumb policy, and I travelled all over Europe with my cat with no troubles - you're even allowed to take them on overnight trains if you book the whole cabin (a 1-6 person part of the car), which I thought worked well.
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@26: Maybe if they have extra space, they can fill up the unused portion with cargo and baggage, and call it a cargo hole or something. Why didn't anyone think of this before?
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@23: And if I'm an insufferable hipster who refuses to own a car?
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@30 Then what the fuck are you doing in SD, a state that doesn't even have a rail station? Are you walking or paddling from Lower Brule to Fort Thompson for vet appointments?
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Seandr: A lot of people get more sick than just "sneezy" from pet dander. Children with asthma and allergies, particularly, can get ill to the point of requiring hospitalization.
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@24 - That's the best post I've read in this thread (among a couple other good ones). It's an interesting back-and-forth debate, and deserves a deeper discussion than just Dan's bitching because this recently happened to him.
34
I don't particularly want to be seated next to anyone, let alone a child or cat or dog or therapy iguana, but it's kind of rich that you're leading the charge against this when you've admited to traveling with your own personal poodle in a carry-on bag.
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@22 - They don't. I would have customers bring their dog into my restaurant and when the dog would pee or take a "dump" on the floor, the dog owner always expected me or the staff to clean it up. In five years, not one fucking owner ever volunteered to clean up the mess. (In California, if the owner claims the dog is a service dog, you are stuck having to accept it and let the dog in.) While we used gloves for the cleaning process and thoroughly washed our hands afterwards, isn't it lovely to think the person who is bringing you your food just spent the last five minutes cleaning up dog shit?

In defense of the dog owners, about once a year, a kid who wasn't completely potty trained would piss through their underwear and get it all over the floor. The parents also never volunteered to clean it up.
36
I'm crazy about my two dogs and wish I could take them everywhere I go. I agree that the cargo hold is more dangerous than the airlines let on, but subjecting my dogs to the airport, the airplane pressure, the noise (cabin OR cargo hold), and weird smells, is just far too selfish. I put them in a good, overpriced kennel where they get group swim and play, and pick them up when I get home. Srsly peeple, you do not need to take your dog/cat everywhere you go.

And if you're moving? Drive dumbass.
37
I'm totally getting a service goldfish. Wouldn't that be cool? Sure they only like, a 5 second memory... but I'm sure I could find something for it to do. For example, watching it swim around could help relieve boredom during long flights... I think I'll hold out though, for a service circus pony, the kind that come with spots.
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@12 Careful where you're getting your info, though. Yeah, the cargo hold isn't a great place for animals, but the HSUS is a militant PETA knock-off that collects funding by claiming a name not unlike that of organizations that run animal shelters.
39
@22,

They might have more of a sense of humor about it if you didn't have a long track record of being a whiny bitch.
40
I agree with Dan here.The problem, as I said on his other post, is that airlines and the like are not checking service animal IDs like they should... a valid animal for a *valid* medical condition has a visible form of ID at all times, that ID has been issued by a verifiable service dog organizaton, the dog has been trained to behave, and their owner has *also* been trained... how to handle the dog, how to not cause a fuss, how to make sure the dander is as low as possible, and to ask if anyone around them has allergies. It's the irresponsible dicks who think service dog training is "too long" (it's not) or "too expensive" (it doesn't cost a dime, if you go through a valid organization) and/or who *do not have a medical need for a dog*, who are getting "certified" for $30 on the internet who need to be stopped. They make the rest of us gimps with dogs look bad. And for the last fucking time, "blind" is not the only disability out there that can merit a service dog. There are other *completely valid* disabilities for which a service dog can provide independence. And there are a lot of entitled fucks who think a dog would be "nice" or "neat" and who aren't getting their dogs through a service organization.
41
Dan, you're lucky you weren't on that Delta flight to Cincy several years ago where they let someone board with a 300-pound pig. It was claimed as a "service animal," and shat all over first class.
42
"I didn't rent it shoes. I'm not buying it a fucking beer. It's not taking your fucking turn, Dude."
43
@35, Jesus. Any service dog who's actually been trained by a service dog organization would rather die than piss or shit on the floor. My current service dog has epilepsy (yeah, yeah, my service dog needs a service dog... and no, I don't take him out in public anymore, he's "retired") and when he has a *seizure*, he freaks out about the poop and pee *on my own floor* and tries to hide in the corner because he knows that is *not allowed*. It usually takes me an hour or more to convince him that I'm not upset and that I know he couldn't help it. He's 14 years old and he *still* won't go to the bathroom inside, no matter how badly he has to go.

And even when he goes outside, I'm expected to carry baggies and clean up after him... not because my area has a pooper scooper law (it doesn't) but because *he's a service dog* and if people with service dogs don't clean up after their dog, it reflects badly on all service dogs/owners. That's the kind of stuff you're taught when you actually go through service dog training.
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@32: BS. Show me one instance where anyone has died of dander allergies, on a plane or elsewhere.
45
I have a seal for a service animal.

Whenever I take it on Air Canada I have to watch out and make sure the Minister of Fisheries doesn't club it to death.
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@seandr: I don't know of anyone who has actually died, but I can attest that allergies are not a minor nuisance. My mom and I are allergic to pet dander. Once we shared a plane with a woman and her cat. The woman was polite, the cat was well-behaved, we requested to switch seats to be farther away from her, and we still spent the next six hours in complete misery. Imagine trying to breathe through a straw while your nose drips like a faucet, and you can't wipe it anymore because the outside is literally bleeding from using too many rough napkins instead of tissues.

Thing is, I love animals. I'm going to vet school next year (I have medications I can take if I know that I'm going to be exposed beforehand). And I think animals traveling in the cargo hold is a terrible idea. There should really be a separate space for pets to travel, with animal welfare policies in place.
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@36: Thanks for that. Considerate all around.
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@43 - Actual service dogs were never the problem. Those dogs were almost always identified with something like a vest, special harness/leash, etc. It was clear those dogs had been trained.

The animals used for emotional support were the offenders. Unfortunately, in California, if the owner has a letter from a mental health expert stating the pet is needed, then I have to let them in or face a lawsuit. The only restrictions were that the animal could not come in contact with eating utensils or pose a general health risk (so I could refuse snakes, rats, etc). However, training as a service animal is not required.
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44: an extreme reaction caused by extreme dander allergies could theoretically cause anaphylaxis which could theoretically lead to death, but again, someone with that degree of sensitivity needs to take responsibility for their health by taking extreme precautions, including only travelling when and where there is absolutely no chance of exposure.

And 45 for the win.
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22 you can't compare the feelings of people who have trophy kids to make a political point to real parents sure you can be dispassionate and clinical about the kid after all it's not like anyone is trying to take away your pot or something important to you
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@30: Rent?
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@31: My point is that you can't account for everything. Maybe someone's moving overseas, or to Hawaii, or to some part of Alaska accessible only by plane. If you completely ban pets from the cabin, you're going to kill pets. It's as simple as that.
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38 - yeah I know, they are a bit over the top. I just thought it interesting that one could easily find statements that are totally the opposite of "comfortably and safely."
Easily.
54
Curious - where do we draw the line then?

New York just changed its laws to allow beekeeping in the city. To the dismay of some who are allergic to bees and COULD DIE if stung.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/…

What do we commenters think of that? Surely the idea has relevance.
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@54: YES.
As a beekeeper who had to fight a legal battle in my hometown, I can tell you that the anaphylaxis-related fearmongering is just stupid.
People who are allergic to bees would need to carry Epi-Pens anyway, as the allergy typically covers wasp venom as well. Also, bees tend to fly about 30 feet above the ground, and are only really found lower near nectar sources or the hive itself.
Bees also will not sting unless provoked, unlike wasps which, being predators, will go out of their way to attack people.
Now the threat of Africanized bees is in some states real. The Africanized bee (Apis mellifera ligustica x scutellata) is overly defensive and may attack en masse at very slight provocation. However, cities like New York are too far north for African strains to survive the winter, adapted as they are for a much warmer climate.
People just get panicky around bees, even though it's wasps that we should really be worrying about.
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@52: Your pet's probably more likely to die in the street than in a baggage compartment. If you're traveling overseas, it's going to have to sit in quarrantine; might as well leave it in a pet day spa at home. If you're moving, the conditions in the baggage hold probably aren't any worse than the import pound. Your pets don't belong in the cabin.
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As someone married to a man who has a severe allergy to cats, I can attest that his allergy isn't "dubious". It is not some whiny itchy-eyes, slightly drippy allergy reaction, oh no. Unfortunately, if he comes in contact with one or is in a small area with one, his throat closes up on him to the point where breathing is difficult. The longer the exposure to the cat, the longer it takes for his body to shake it off. For instance, when we visit his (cat owner) parents for dinner, it sometimes takes about a day for him to recover. And this is no "I hate cats, so I must be allergic" excuse. My husband loves cats. It took years for him to overcome his denial of his allergy.

So forgive me if I find it irritating when I see a cat on a plane. Of course, I'm sure the cat owner who couldn't put precious into the cargo hold doesn't give two shits about the man wheezing across from her. Perhaps she is even annoyed by his suddenly loud breathing, as she doesn't realize that her cat is the cause of my husband's misery. I'm talking to you, lady with the cat-carrier on our honeymoon flight who shot my hubby dirty looks while my husband gasped and coughed his way through a four-hour flight. You're the reason I had no sexy-times the first night of my honeymoon.
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@ 54, most bees (including honeybees) are docile and DO NOT STING PEOPLE UNLESS ACTIVELY PROVOKED. Basically you have to go mess with them to get stung.

Wasps, yellowjackets, and the like are more aggressive, as are Africanized bees, but normal honeybees don't just sting people who walk by, nor do bumblebees or nearly any other species of bee.
60
I love my giant slobbery mutt. One of my friends loves him almost as much as I do, but if she comes to my house without taking industrial strength meds first, you can actually SEE the hives erupting on her arms. Moving her 10 feet away, especially on a plane with recycled air, wouldn't help her one bit. On the other hand, the deaths of animals in cargo holds are for real. Perhaps the airlines could simply have designated "animal/no animal" flights. It would be known in advance, everyone could book the flight that was appropriate for them, and the airplane could get a quick steam clean at the end of the day. #43, please give your dog an ear skritch from me.
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There's a big difference between "sneezy" and DEATH, douchetards. I have a friend that WILL go into anaphylactic shock if she goes into a room where a cat had been a WEEK previously. I'm not joking. So no, putting your precious Mr. Stinkypants a few rows away is not going to save her life; nor is it safe for her to fly on a plane that had a cat in it a week ago. I'm a huge cat lover, myself; but why is it so critical that your pet be allowed to go everywhere you go and put other humans at risk? And for those who want stats, how many people have to die up in the air where they can't get emergency medical treatment before you'll change your mind?
62
And yet again, 61, people who have such extreme, life-threatening allergies need to take the steps necessary to protect themselves, which in your friend's case might mean never travelling on a plane, since after all there's no guarantee that she won't be seated next to someone who just came from work at a cat shelter. But people like your friend are in the distinct minority, a minority so small that it is unreasonable to ask everyone else to accommodate them.
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FYI, epi-pens are normally a temporary emergency measure, not a cure-all. You use one to prevent yourself from going into anaphylactic shock or dying until you can get more thorough treatment for the allergic reaction, usually at a medical facility. Too bad on a long flight there aren't medical facilities you can go to...
65
But AGAIN if everyday situations are literally a danger to a person's life due to the severity of their allergies, then it's really up to them to ensure that they do everything to protect themselves, which they can do by informing the airline well in advance that they cannot be placed on the same flight with any animals. People like 61's friend who can't even occupy the same room that an animal has ever been in, and people who are so deathly allergic that a stray cat hair could kill them, may have to accept that they can't travel by air.
66
i think only one other commenter has brought this up- im not necessarily opposed to the concept of saying no pets in the airplane cabin, but if we're doing it for the sake of people with allergies then it DEFINITELY brings up some other analogous bans: allergies to perfumes are JUST as common, and many people thoughtlessly douse themselves with toxic fumes before going out in public or boarding a plane. cigarette smoke is just as likely to cause a severe asthma attack as pet dander, and that was only banned on planes because it actually made the flight more economical, NOT because they actually gave a crap about the well-being of passengers. and btw, the reaction would most likely be a severe asthma attack, not anaphalaxis...and with peanut allergies becoming so common, we might want to ban those little packages of peanuts too, because just the dust from the package COULD send the person next to you into anaphalaxis. just sayin...
67
I have only once taken a cat on a plane, on my trip moving out to Seattle.

Every other time I have been on a plane, however, I have first made sure to hug and play with the cat, so I would be covered head to toe in cat hair.
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@48, God, that's *insane*. I have friends who have service animals for non-physical reasons and who do need them to function, but those friends all went through qualified organizations to get their animals trained. Most good organizations will train an animal you already own on request, provided that the animal has a suitable temperament - it's more work to do it that way, and it's handled on a case-by-case basis, but there's no excuse for having an untrained animal (and thus an untrained *owner*) as a service animal. They're living beings and you have to know how to work with them/control them/form that *working* bond and be a responsible owner who won't piss people off or stress the *animal* out with your own behavior... they're not like a bottle of pills or a piece of medical equipment. Saying a letter from a medical professional is sufficient to legally qualify your animal as a service animal? Pure insanity... that's like saying getting your fertility checked means you'll be an awesome parent. (And no, animals are not children, but a service animal in particular really does entail a similar amount of responsibility.) */stops preaching to choir*
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@62: You're not actually suggesting actual human beings not travel so that other people can take their widdwe babby poodwe puppy on an airplane, are you? Because that's fucking stupid.
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@44: My step-grandmother. She had an asthma attack and asphyxiated. It can happen.
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I didn't say that, 69. I said that people whose allergies are so severe that merely being in the same physical space that has been occupied by an animal or coming into contact with a single animal hair can be life-threatening may not be able to travel by air because, as I pointed out, there is no possible way to ensure their safety. People whose symptoms are severe but less deadly need to take responsibility for their own health by making arrangements with the airline in advance. It's very simple.

And anyone who jokes about poisoning animals is an ass.
72
Agreed; there shall be no poisoning of animals. Shootng 'em, on the other hand, still works.
73
If you have allergies it is your responsibility to take care of them if you're putting yourself in an animal-friendly environment.
You can call the airline before hand and ask if there are any animals on the flight (you have to reserve in advance) and they can accommodate you. Hell you can even ask for an upgrade.

But if you think for one second I'm going to put my dog at risk of death because I'm moving overseas and have no choice but to put him on a flight you are mistaken. My dog will lay in his carrier under the seat. I'll do my best to keep him away from you.

But sorry. I don't want to arrive in my new city with a dead corpse. If it means you wheeze, it means you wheeze. I guess you really should have thought about 'allergens' before entering a closed environment dumbass. 8 hours of your nasal drip is worth my dog's life.

No apologies here.
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By the way, only a few airlines will let a pet travel in the cabin. If you're allergic to animals, just do a tiny bit of research and avoid the minority of airlines that allow pets in the cabin.

It's more effective (and nicer) than posting snarky comments on the Internet.
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@62
Trust me, if I could never get on a plane again I would. I am one of those people who have allergies/asthma so severe that being in a plane with an animal would cause my eyes and airway to swell shut. I have been admitted to the emergency room several times over the years.

People don't expect to see a damn animal on an airplane - even a service animal is pretty rare. I do everything I can to protect myself in advance, but you can't know some self-righteous douche of a pet owner is going to decide to hit the red-eye to Denver with you. 10 years ago, you would NEVER have seen an animal on a plane that wasn't a service animal.

And once and for all people, you can not equate pets with children. While both may be irritating on a plane, only one of them has the chance to grow into a worthwhile, contributing member of society.
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And for the umpteenth time, 75, if your allergies are so bad then you need to be making arrangements with the airlines so you don't find yourself in that situation. I don't see how that simple fact translates into people seeing their animals as children.
77
I recently moved overseas and took my cat in the cabin for the U.S.-domestic leg of the trip. I hadn't known that was even an option, but for me it turned out to be the *only* option because there's a temperature requirement for transporting animals in cargo: if the temperature is (or is predicted to be) below about 45˚F or above about 85˚F (varies slightly by airline), the airline will not take your pet because the cargo bays aren't temp-regulated like the cabins are and the extreme temperatures can easily kill the animals.

Because I was flying into Boston in early March, there was every chance that my cat would have gotten stranded in LAX (a fate I wouldn't wish on Newt Gingrich) until the temperature changed, which could have been days or even weeks - and on top of the distress this would have caused both of us, I would have been paying exorbitant kenneling fees the whole time.

I would never put my cat through unnecessary travel - by plane or any other means - because it makes him anxious and miserable, and I certainly wouldn't want to cause anyone else any discomfort by inducing an allergy attack (in coach of all places). But in this case, being able to take my cat in the cabin with me truly was what allowed me to bring him with me to my new home at all. I don't think that's unreasonable.
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@75: Your comment is full of shit anyway. People have been flying with cats in carriers under the seat for decades. The first and last time I personally did it was in 1995 when I was moving cross-country.
79
I'd like to volunteer to ride in the cargo hold with the dogs, if it means I can avoid the kids. And the glares from people who are angry about my fat ass on their flight.

I am so not even kidding. I'd much rather have my own crate in cargo.
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@ 75, speaking as a parent, eat my shit. Pets are like children, and the are part of the family. I'm sorry that you have terrible allergies, and I would never bring my pet on a plane for any reason (even if I were moving overseas I think I'd give my pets away - and both times I moved cross country I drove because what kind of asshole subjects their pets to the horrors of flying, let alone bother the other passengers). But your last comment is fucking stupid bullshit, and you and everyone who feels that way about pets are hereby invited to fuck themselves in the eyeball with a rusty meathook.
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@56 is incorrect; plenty of countries do not require quarantining animals. Most of the EU requires only a valid rabies shot (though if I recall, it's active virus rather than the more typical inactive one given in the US), some blood work, a microchip or tattoo, and of course the health certificate is required by the airline itself. I think there was a quarantine for Norway and maybe the UK...there used to be one for Hawaii but that was cut down to a few days, I think.
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56 - My cat is from a Latin American country and she didn't spend one second in a quarantine in order to enter this country. Whether or not there is a quarantine is totally dependent on the countries involved. A lot of pets enter this country without customs taking so much as a look at their rabies vaccination.
83
59 - I was just bringing up the topic in order to add a new way to test Dan's reasoning. I wanted to expand the discussion.
I was not stating an opinion one way or another.
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80 - Actually, I kinda think taking a cat on a 5 day drive is probably a lot more cruel than taking it on a 6 hour plane ride. Dogs are different though.
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@ 83, fair enough. I beg your pardon for misunderstanding your intent.
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@ 80, I didn't really move across the whole country; just from Denver to Seattle in the 90s and back to Denver a few years ago. I took three hours each time, and stayed at pet-friendly motels so they could come out of their carriers. I can't say they enjoyed it (although their lack of caterwauling probably is an indication that it wasn't torture) but given the issues regarding pressurization and heating in the cargo hold, I'd do it a thousand times over rather than take the risk with the airline.
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Oops, I meant for my comment @ 86 to be addressed to @84. That's probably obvious...
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I've taken my pet rat on a plane before, and it was my only option if I wanted to keep her over a move. There are a few airports where you can not keep a pet in cargo hold because of extreme temperatures (Sky Harbor), the trains and buses do not allow animals, and I wasn't old enough to rent a car and had just sold mine. And you can't bring rats on a plane, because they're considered a public health risk. So I had to go to my expensive exotic animal vet twice to certify that she wasn't carrying disease, and find a therapist who would confirm that I would totally freak out if she wasn't there. Some people claim they have arthritis and they need the rat to sit on their knuckles so they can fly with rats whenever they want to. I did have problems at the gate, but a manager rushed over and they even let me board early. The passengers next to me acted like they really loved it though. Rat lovers groups actually have a large support network to help you get one on a plane. It's bizarre.
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@60 -- I don't give two shits about animals on planes as long as they aren't moving around the cabin, personally, but I do like your idea.
90
If airlines want to ban pets from the cabin, they need to have safer accommodations than simply sticking them in with cargo.

In any event, air travel is tough on pets. Most dog and cat owners try to avoid dragging their pets onto planes when they can.
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@66: Actually, many airlines did stop serving little bags of peanuts due to the possibility of allergic reactions from passengers. Just sayin'.

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