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1
That's hilarious. It makes no fucking sense at all.
2
That's a perfectly reasonable appositive phrase.
3
What, you didn't know Mandela was all of those things?
4
Game, Set, and Match.
5
The English language is so hilarious.
6
wow. brilliant.
8
The panda says no.
7
That is my new favorite example of why the serial comma should be used. My old fave was "I'd like to thank my parents, George W. Bush and Oprah Winfrey."

Some cocktail-swilling mid-century print editor's aesthetic pet peeve notwithstanding, I think a case can be made that the serial comma, ugly or not, makes sentences like these clearer, and thus, is worthy of use.
9
OMFG is entirely too appropriate a response, here.
10
Even with the serial comma, it's still somewhat ambiguous.... (Mandela is a demigod, but not a dildo collector) The only real way to avoid ambiguity is to change the word order, with or without the oxford comma, as in:
"...highlights of his global tour include encounters with an 800-year-old demigod, a dildo collector, and Nelson Mandela."
11
Huh. I knew about the dildo-collecting, but which 800-year-old demigod was Mandela?
12
Who gives a fuck?

(Note: This is the comedically appropriate answer, not an indictment of the merits of the argument.)
13
Wait until you see Mandela's etchings ...
14
@7,

I didn't realize the serial comma was allegedly ugly.

One practical reason to avoid it is to save space, which is supposedly why the Associated Press doesn't use it.
15
OK, you win.
16
fucking hilarious
17
Fuck, I've always used it, and I thought that people who didn't use it were just punctuationally challenged.
On the other hand, Mandela spent a lot of time in prison during the apartheid era, so there's no telling what he picked up there.
18
I love you Jason Eppel, fellow believer in this comma
19
LoL - Ok, this is now my new favorite argument for the serial (Oxford) comma. My previous favorite was a dedication line from a book: "I'd like to thank my parents, Ayn Rand and God."
20
Can we get a link to this? I can't seem to find it in the times.
21
@ 20. Wish I could, but sources say the sentence came from some TV listings in 1998 for "Planet Ustinov"β€”it's probably not digitally archived.
22
If I ruled the world, the Oxford comma would be required by law. But then my world wouldn't be nearly as funny as this one, in which Mandela is a very old dildo-collecting demigod.
23
As a general rule, I don't use a final comma in a series. But this only proves that it's rules that are stupid, particularly when they're applied without flexibility.

And I agree with prior statements that the comma wouldn't really have helped that sentence all that much. It's just flat-out poorly-written to begin with.
24
As a general rule, I don't use a final comma in a series. But this only proves that it's rules that are stupid, particularly when they're applied without flexibility.

And I agree with prior statements that the comma wouldn't really have helped that sentence all that much. It's just flat-out poorly-written to begin with.
25
I think potentially hilarious sentences like this one make an even stronger argument for the complete elimination of the serial comma.
26
Serial Comma - best example yet!
27
I actually have always thought a *lack* of the serial comma seemed uglier. It feels imbalanced to leave out the comma after several of them.
28
Long live the Oxford comma.
29
I'm with pg13
30
Not only is the serial comma a requirement, but despite John E. McIntyre's bizarre lapse, a comma is required before a final 'too," too.
31
The comma in series is most useful when its absence is necessary for sense, as in "I would like to introduce my parents, Jane and John.
32
Fault lies with the writer, not the comma.

... highlights of his global tour include a dildo collector, an 800-year-old demigod, and Nelson Mandela.

Not nearly as funny.
33
I'm loving this entire thread.
34
So let's add the serial comma and see what we get:

"... highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old, demigod, and a dildo collector."

Now, Nelson Mandela is only an 800-year-old demigod, but not a dildo collector. Much better.
35
@32, the fault lies on the writer, yes... but for the lack of the comma, not because of the ordering of the items in series. However, your ordering does indeed reduce the chance of a lulz worthy interpretation.

@23/24, the addition of the comma would definitely make the sentence mean what it actually should mean.

@25, eliminating serial comma would cause more problems, actually.
36
I agree with Timmytee: I always figures people who didn't use the serial comma didn't learn how to write in school. Without that last comma, you just look uneducated.
37
Writer writes about writing; no one cares
38
Yet when semicolons are present, the AP insists on a semicolon before the last element in a series. The news co-op is unashamedly inconsistent on this point.
39
@14 Yet when semicolons are present, the AP insists on a semicolon before the last element in a series. So its aversion to the Oxford comma is simply ... I dunno, fetishistic.
40
In primary school in the 70s I learned *not* to use a comma before the last element of a list. I understand the fashion today is to include it. A comma before 'and' will always look extraneous to me, notwithstanding the example provided, which is lacking clarity, concision and care in construction.
41
Technically, I believe, a demigod should be serially listed only with semicolons.
42
I didn't know Mandela collected dildos! And I thought he was 98, not 800! But I do agree that he's a demigod (at least figuratively).
43
If it's good enough for Oxford it's good enough for me.
44
The lack or presence of a comma is not the problem. Such cases call for an additional "and". Call it an Oxfore and, for lack of a better term.

... highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, and an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector.
45
This is why lawyers enumerate items in legal documents. My shyster would write:

"... highlights of his global tour include encounters with (1) Nelson Mandela, (2) an 800-year-old demigod and (3) a dildo collector."

Note that lawyers never use the Oxford comma.

Note further that they would charge you $500 to write that sentence.

-- Nomennovum
46
This is why lawyers enumerate items in legal documents. My shyster would write:

"... highlights of his global tour include encounters with (1) Nelson Mandela, (2) an 800-year-old demigod and (3) a dildo collector."

Note that lawyers never use the Oxford comma.

Note further that they would charge you $500 to write that sentence.
47
Easily fixed w/o resurrecting the OC:

... highlights of his global tour include: encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector.

48
Easily fixed w/o resurrecting the OC:

... highlights of his global tour include: encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector.

49
Or simply maintain parallelism:

... highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, with an 800-year-old demigod and with a dildo collector.
50
Can't do the "...include: blah, blah and blah." Properly, that construction should be this: "...include the following: blah, blah and blah" (for the same reason that MY sentence could not be "that construction should be: '...'" but instead must be "should be this:" or "should be the following:". From http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/c…, "Use the colon after a complete sentence to introduce a list of items when introductory words such as namely, for example, or that is do not appear," and "A colon should not precede a list unless it follows a complete sentence"). And as I am a lifelong adherent to the Oxford comma rule, I maintain that it OUGHT to be "...include the following: blah, blah, and blah" - though I would not use the clunky "include the following" when the simple use of the Oxford comma clears things right up without it!
51
Oxford commas are a crutch. Considering 50 comments in and no one has noticed the 'highlights of his global tour include...', I guess our reading comprehension skills require its use.
52
"Easily fixed w/o resurrecting the OC:

... highlights of his global tour include: encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."

It is considered improper to separate a verb from its direct object with a colon. Colons are usually used to introduce a list of items separate from the main clause. For example,

He had several notable encounters on his global tour: one with Nelson Mandela, one with an 800-year-old demigod, and one with a dildo collector.
53
"Easily fixed w/o resurrecting the OC:

... highlights of his global tour include: encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."

It is considered improper to separate a verb from its direct object with a colon. Colons are usually used to introduce a list of items separate from the main clause. For example,

He had several notable encounters on his global tour: Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod, and a dildo collector.
54
Please visit www.oxford.ac.uk and look at the listings under the heading Divisions. Here is one of the links "Mathematical, physical & life sciences."
If even Oxford doesn't use the Oxford comma, then why should anyone else?
55
Please visit www.oxford.ac.uk and look at the listings under the heading Divisions. Here is one of the links "Mathematical, physical & life sciences."
If even Oxford doesn't use the Oxford comma, then why should anyone else?
56
Please visit www.oxford.ac.uk and look at the listings under the heading Divisions. Here is one of the links "Mathematical, physical & life sciences."
If even Oxford doesn't use the Oxford comma, then why should anyone else?
57
Hey, who DOESN'T collect dildoes?

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