That is my new favorite example of why the serial comma should be used. My old fave was "I'd like to thank my parents, George W. Bush and Oprah Winfrey."
Some cocktail-swilling mid-century print editor's aesthetic pet peeve notwithstanding, I think a case can be made that the serial comma, ugly or not, makes sentences like these clearer, and thus, is worthy of use.
Even with the serial comma, it's still somewhat ambiguous.... (Mandela is a demigod, but not a dildo collector) The only real way to avoid ambiguity is to change the word order, with or without the oxford comma, as in:
"...highlights of his global tour include encounters with an 800-year-old demigod, a dildo collector, and Nelson Mandela."
Fuck, I've always used it, and I thought that people who didn't use it were just punctuationally challenged.
On the other hand, Mandela spent a lot of time in prison during the apartheid era, so there's no telling what he picked up there.
LoL - Ok, this is now my new favorite argument for the serial (Oxford) comma. My previous favorite was a dedication line from a book: "I'd like to thank my parents, Ayn Rand and God."
If I ruled the world, the Oxford comma would be required by law. But then my world wouldn't be nearly as funny as this one, in which Mandela is a very old dildo-collecting demigod.
As a general rule, I don't use a final comma in a series. But this only proves that it's rules that are stupid, particularly when they're applied without flexibility.
And I agree with prior statements that the comma wouldn't really have helped that sentence all that much. It's just flat-out poorly-written to begin with.
As a general rule, I don't use a final comma in a series. But this only proves that it's rules that are stupid, particularly when they're applied without flexibility.
And I agree with prior statements that the comma wouldn't really have helped that sentence all that much. It's just flat-out poorly-written to begin with.
@32, the fault lies on the writer, yes... but for the lack of the comma, not because of the ordering of the items in series. However, your ordering does indeed reduce the chance of a lulz worthy interpretation.
@23/24, the addition of the comma would definitely make the sentence mean what it actually should mean.
@25, eliminating serial comma would cause more problems, actually.
I agree with Timmytee: I always figures people who didn't use the serial comma didn't learn how to write in school. Without that last comma, you just look uneducated.
Yet when semicolons are present, the AP insists on a semicolon before the last element in a series. The news co-op is unashamedly inconsistent on this point.
@14 Yet when semicolons are present, the AP insists on a semicolon before the last element in a series. So its aversion to the Oxford comma is simply ... I dunno, fetishistic.
In primary school in the 70s I learned *not* to use a comma before the last element of a list. I understand the fashion today is to include it. A comma before 'and' will always look extraneous to me, notwithstanding the example provided, which is lacking clarity, concision and care in construction.
Can't do the "...include: blah, blah and blah." Properly, that construction should be this: "...include the following: blah, blah and blah" (for the same reason that MY sentence could not be "that construction should be: '...'" but instead must be "should be this:" or "should be the following:". From http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/c…, "Use the colon after a complete sentence to introduce a list of items when introductory words such as namely, for example, or that is do not appear," and "A colon should not precede a list unless it follows a complete sentence"). And as I am a lifelong adherent to the Oxford comma rule, I maintain that it OUGHT to be "...include the following: blah, blah, and blah" - though I would not use the clunky "include the following" when the simple use of the Oxford comma clears things right up without it!
Oxford commas are a crutch. Considering 50 comments in and no one has noticed the 'highlights of his global tour include...', I guess our reading comprehension skills require its use.
... highlights of his global tour include: encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."
It is considered improper to separate a verb from its direct object with a colon. Colons are usually used to introduce a list of items separate from the main clause. For example,
He had several notable encounters on his global tour: one with Nelson Mandela, one with an 800-year-old demigod, and one with a dildo collector.
... highlights of his global tour include: encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."
It is considered improper to separate a verb from its direct object with a colon. Colons are usually used to introduce a list of items separate from the main clause. For example,
He had several notable encounters on his global tour: Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod, and a dildo collector.
Please visit www.oxford.ac.uk and look at the listings under the heading Divisions. Here is one of the links "Mathematical, physical & life sciences."
If even Oxford doesn't use the Oxford comma, then why should anyone else?
Please visit www.oxford.ac.uk and look at the listings under the heading Divisions. Here is one of the links "Mathematical, physical & life sciences."
If even Oxford doesn't use the Oxford comma, then why should anyone else?
Please visit www.oxford.ac.uk and look at the listings under the heading Divisions. Here is one of the links "Mathematical, physical & life sciences."
If even Oxford doesn't use the Oxford comma, then why should anyone else?
Some cocktail-swilling mid-century print editor's aesthetic pet peeve notwithstanding, I think a case can be made that the serial comma, ugly or not, makes sentences like these clearer, and thus, is worthy of use.
"...highlights of his global tour include encounters with an 800-year-old demigod, a dildo collector, and Nelson Mandela."
(Note: This is the comedically appropriate answer, not an indictment of the merits of the argument.)
I didn't realize the serial comma was allegedly ugly.
One practical reason to avoid it is to save space, which is supposedly why the Associated Press doesn't use it.
On the other hand, Mandela spent a lot of time in prison during the apartheid era, so there's no telling what he picked up there.
And I agree with prior statements that the comma wouldn't really have helped that sentence all that much. It's just flat-out poorly-written to begin with.
And I agree with prior statements that the comma wouldn't really have helped that sentence all that much. It's just flat-out poorly-written to begin with.
... highlights of his global tour include a dildo collector, an 800-year-old demigod, and Nelson Mandela.
Not nearly as funny.
"... highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old, demigod, and a dildo collector."
Now, Nelson Mandela is only an 800-year-old demigod, but not a dildo collector. Much better.
@23/24, the addition of the comma would definitely make the sentence mean what it actually should mean.
@25, eliminating serial comma would cause more problems, actually.
... highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, and an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector.
"... highlights of his global tour include encounters with (1) Nelson Mandela, (2) an 800-year-old demigod and (3) a dildo collector."
Note that lawyers never use the Oxford comma.
Note further that they would charge you $500 to write that sentence.
-- Nomennovum
"... highlights of his global tour include encounters with (1) Nelson Mandela, (2) an 800-year-old demigod and (3) a dildo collector."
Note that lawyers never use the Oxford comma.
Note further that they would charge you $500 to write that sentence.
... highlights of his global tour include: encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector.
... highlights of his global tour include: encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector.
... highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, with an 800-year-old demigod and with a dildo collector.
... highlights of his global tour include: encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."
It is considered improper to separate a verb from its direct object with a colon. Colons are usually used to introduce a list of items separate from the main clause. For example,
He had several notable encounters on his global tour: one with Nelson Mandela, one with an 800-year-old demigod, and one with a dildo collector.
... highlights of his global tour include: encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."
It is considered improper to separate a verb from its direct object with a colon. Colons are usually used to introduce a list of items separate from the main clause. For example,
He had several notable encounters on his global tour: Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod, and a dildo collector.
If even Oxford doesn't use the Oxford comma, then why should anyone else?
If even Oxford doesn't use the Oxford comma, then why should anyone else?
If even Oxford doesn't use the Oxford comma, then why should anyone else?