Blogs May 17, 2010 at 8:04 am

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Yes, and no fucking hills and 6 months of rain.

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Oh, it was founded in 650 AD (with more evidence dating back 200 BC), that might explain why it's a wee bit more compact than Seattle.
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Oh man how I miss it there.
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"Oh man how I miss it there."

There's a flight leaving today....enjoy your Dutch taxes an 10% permanent unemployment.
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Can you imagine not needing a helmet? What a pleasure.
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@4 -There's a flight leaving today....enjoy your Dutch taxes an 10% permanent unemployment.

Yeah if only America didn't have 10% unemployment and high taxes for everyone except the super rich and large sized corporations
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Not a single obese or even fat person in the whole video.
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Something tells me Dominic has a giant Pim Fortuyn poster on his wall that he jerks off to every night.
10
I love the argument "seattle has hills and rain, we can't ride our bikes" because it's so fabulously stupid.
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You'll notice two or three mini-motorcycles/mopeds in the video. These are often legal there on bike paths. If the US had such paths, they'd be LOUSY with motorized bikes. But as the original story states, the whole thing is an affront to freedom.
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Psh, none of those people are wearing spandex or team jerseys. They're even obeying all the traffic laws! None of them are REAL cyclists like we have in Seattle.
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@5

Actually a helmet is probably more useful in that sort of situation, in which you are far more likely to get in a low speed, bike to bike crash, than you are to get hit by a car.

The odds of a helmet mattering in a bike to car accident are low. I still wear them, but in bike to bike it's a lot more likely to matter.

The #1 thing preventing this type of commuting in the us is car entitlement. We need to make driving in cities really, really hard. Of course, this is restating what we all know.
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Utrecht is my favorite city that i've visited.
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"I love the argument "seattle has hills and rain, we can't ride our bikes" because it's so fabulously stupid."

Why? Does Seattle not have hills and lots of rain? I lived in holland and yes, i rode bikes every day. Why? No fucking hills and because the cities are 1000+ years old, they are compact, built, as you may know, before cars came.

See the difference with Seattle now moron?
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Seattleites who compare this city with Dutch cities (which they ALWYS o) like to think they look and sound so fucking cosmopolitan when in fact, they sound and look like total fucking moron.

Seriously, comparing 1000 yr old cities with Seattle?
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Rome is a 1000+-years-old metropolis, but you'd have to be fucking suicidal to bike there.
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@10 I don't get it either. Look at how many flat and dense cities there are where people don't ride bikes.

Now look at how Seattle has hills and rain and cold weather and people still ride bikes by the thousands. The hills and weather are an excuse for people who don't ride bikes, it doesn't actually hold anyone back from riding.
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That's a beautiful sight. Thanks for sharing.

I live and work in Seattle and ride my bike everywhere. There are many of us who do the same. Yeah there are hills, yeah there's rain, but bikes are so much more fun than cars and so much cheaper to operate, that the topography and weather stops being much of an inconvenience as soon as you get in fairly decent shape and find a good jacket.

The only things that really keep Fucking Idiot and his peers from biking are sheer laziness and a car-sized chip on their shoulders.
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" but bikes are so much more fun than cars"

To who, you?

" the topography and weather stops being much of an inconvenience"

How about with 2 kids at different schools, with after school activities, two working parents, jobs downtown, sometimes out of town, homes on the north side?
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Another way to tell the difference between Seattle and this idyllic scene: every single fucking cyclist stops at a red light and waits for it to turn green. Nobody is riding to the front of the queue to be first in line (one guy rides onto the sidewalk, but he still waits at the light). Pedestrians don't have to avoid cyclists barreling down at them.
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"Now look at how Seattle has hills and rain and cold weather and people still ride bikes by the thousands."

Actually, less than 5% commute by bike.

BTW, I ride a bike, when it's convenient. Maybe once or twice a week.
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"Rome is a 1000+-years-old metropolis, but you'd have to be fucking suicidal to bike there."

Well, 7 fucking hills and Italian drivers....I've never cycled when I'm there.
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Um, Portland is the #1 bike commuter city in the country, and it has just about exactly as much rain as we do.

Minneanapolis is the #2 bike commuter city in the country, and they have much harsher weather than we do for half the year.

Guess who's #3? Seattle! With our hills and rain.

Both Portland and Seattle have jumped up the bike commuter list in the past 10 years due to better bike infrastructure - we weren't even in the top 10 ten years ago. Portland has invested more, but it's all a matter of investing in infrastructure. More infrastructure = more bikers, regardless of hills or weather.
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@23: I was thinking more of the scooters. The drivers are comparatively civil.
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12 and 21 speak the truth. God bless the cyclists who don't randomly switch between vehicle and pedestrian or just do whatever is convenient.
27
I wonder if the Europeans have a problem with those Critical Mass-hole fags like we do?
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@27 Critical Mass has a police escort and they include roller bladders.

Go to Paris on a Friday night and you will see a 30 minute train of wheeled transportation with a rolling street closer using motorcycle police at the beginning and end.
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Annual Precipitation:

Seattle: 37 inches
Ultrecht: 32 inches
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@26: it's legal to ride on the sidewalk. you should take a ride along the trolley tracks at the south end of lake union. the bike path IS the sidewalk. if you don't like it, go get the law changed. cyclists would be happy to trade that 'convenience' for dedicated, separated lanes like those in holland.
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Decent bike lanes would go a long way toward encouraging cycle-commuting. Here in Vancouver (BC) a recent study showed that most cyclers are young men who are not put off by risk. Women, children, the elderly were much less likely to commute by bike simply because of safety concerns.

I ride my bike to/from work because I live close and there isn't much traffic in between. If I had to ride across town I would feel unsafe, and would probably bus/drive. When I lived in Sweden there were terrific bike lanes, and so everyone rode (AND we had hills and freezing conditions. Everyone thinks riding in the freezing cold is easy, but when the path is all rutted and frozen with tracks, there is a huge possibility of falling down. If there were no good bike lanes I probably would have died)
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Ultimately, this comes down to the fact that all Americans - cyclists, drivers, peds - are entitled assholes. And, for the record, it's extremely moronic that bicycles are allowed to legally ride sidewalks in Seattle. (Except on bridges, bike/ped paths, and the like, where the street really is too dangerous.) You don't need "dedicated lanes" everywhere to ride safely on the street.
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Note to Matt: Stay in Denver. Thanks.
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@30: I believe @26 was referring to situations like this, where the cyclist wanted to be treated and cited like a pedestrian (jaywalking) while riding on the street and running a red light.
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@ 33 - you may be surprised to learn that I rode my bike on Seattle streets for eight years. That means I speak from an informed perspective. So, kindly refrain from saying foolish things in the future.
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Utrecht is an old city with narrow streets and canals. The old town isnt made for cars and people get around by bicycle. Being a flat country is just a bonus, meaning you dont need gears on your bike :-) That junction there is right outside the train/tram/bus station and its even busier at the moment as one side of the street is closed for engineering works and it will be for some years. Theyre rebuilding the canal and highway, and also one of the city theatres next to that. Its a bit ugly. You can see the plans at the cu2030.nl site (in english). Theres also a live webcam of the crossing on that site.

I get around everywhere in Utrecht by bike, and its just a way of life. Its surprising how quickly you get used to it. Cars are definitely not a good idea in the city centre.
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@37 Mr. X. What's your point relative to Square Miles? How does this relate to annual precipitation?
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"Annual Precipitation:

Seattle: 37 inches
Ultrecht: 32 inches"

over how many days? Thanks for meaning less stats. I was in Bangkok once and saw that much rain in two days.
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@20- I have one kid, she rides the trail-a-bike when she's not taking the school bus. I work in Bellevue but live in Seattle.

I think you just choose to be a typical suburban car owner but have a big chip on your shoulder about it.
43
Lovely video!!! I wish our cities were like this!!!

Alternate view: Horrible city - obviously they do not allow their fat people to be seen in public! = ; )

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I'm all in favor of segregated bike lanes, especially if it means we can get bicycles off the sidewalk. It would be nice to get them out of the road but mostly I'd like to have them off the sidewalk.

Of course if we do build all this bike infrastructure and bike commuting only goes from 4% (Seattle) to 7% (Portland), we should ask for our money back.
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And no one wears helmets!!!!
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@42 so you could ride from downtown to wallingford, then to phinney, leave by 530 pm, and get home to Ballard w 2 kids by 6pm? And that's on days without after school sports in Green Lake?
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How much does is cost to own/daily drive a car there? IMO, if our government added some real gas tax, made it at least $5 a gallon, people would find another way to get around. Lazy americans will take the easy way until it hurts.
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@46, you could get to/from home, school, and work if you chose to live within a reasonable commuting distance from your kids' school and your work. Your choice. There are homes, workplaces, and schools in more than one place in this city.
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"How much does is cost to own/daily drive a car there?"

I can easily afford it and parking is free. $5 a gallon? I drive from Ballard. $20 a gallon would still be more convenient and cost effective than a bus or bike.

Lazy? Well I run an hour every morning at 5am before work, does that make me lazy?

'Your choice"

Actually it wasn't dipshit, the SPS sent my kids to schools way apart. Probably why we'll go private next year but that will mean a longer drive...but no problem, car is comfy, we can enjoy NPR and a cafe latte.
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" people would find another way to get around"

NO, POOR PEOPLE WOULD FIND ANOTHER WAY TO GET AROUND WHICH IS FINE BY ME.
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"work if you chose to live within a reasonable commuting distance from your kids' school and your work"

I live in East Ballard, my business is in Belltown......how much closer should I be? Now I could move to Queen Anne but to afford that I'd have to make some cuts at my office from the staff.

You tell me, fire the asshole who doesn't know how to make a spread sheet after 4 years of college or stay in Ballard.

Hmmmm....he rides a bike to work, maybe I should fire his ass.
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I think what most SLoggers like here is just like in Seattle, it's all white people on bikes.
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Dominic, please stick to writing about our insane drug war. I ride my bike and LOVE! sharrows. That said, when you ride you bike just be smart and safe. go to bicyclesafe.com (bicyclesafe dot com) and see the article "how not to get hit by cars"
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slog. seriously. i tried to reset my password like 100 times. what am i doing wrong?
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@46- Why don't your kids take the bus home?

Also, I can't figure out your time line? Are you leaving work at 5:30 and getting home by six with all those stops? Cause that's unbelievable.

Ah, and your comment @50? Priceless.

You get up at 5:00am to go running but arrange your life so you spend rush hour puttering around in a car? You're not lazy, just silly.
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"Why don't your kids take the bus home?"

At 6 and 8 yrs old? You don;t have kids do you.

"so you spend rush hour puttering around in a car"

The car takes 20-30 minutes home from downtown to Ballard. Bus = 45 minimum (if it shows up), bike 1 hr and that's directly home, not getting the kids first. getting kids by bus would probably take 1-2hrs with transfers and waits. By bike? No fucking way!

"Are you leaving work at 5:30 and getting home by six with all those stops? Cause that's unbelievable. "

Sometimes 6:15pm but yes, from downtown to Ballard with pickups, average 30 mins. Less when my wife does it but she works in Elliot Bay. THen we have time for a home cooked meal, proper sit down, family dinner, homework, bath and bed. No way I'm going to give up my time every night to ride a fucking tricycle or take the bus. Traffic in Seattle is the easiest of any of the half dozen cities I lived in the past 15 years.

"You get up at 5:00am to go running but arrange your life so you spend rush hour puttering around in a car? You're not lazy, just silly."

Why silly? At my home desk by 6am to work for an hour with east coast clients, kids get up, family breakfast, then off to school and work in the comfy, dry, warm safe car.

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