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"Rebuttal" in the New York times: some NOAA scientists claim that most of the dead turtles they've found are due to shrimp fishing, not burning:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/scienc…

(My thought: this could be true, but is there a selection effect? That is, are they able to find/examine the turtles that were allegedly burned? The article doesn't say.)
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Obama is an Environmental Mass Murderer.
Guilty of Crimes Against the Planet Earth.
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huge BP fail. huge.
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They are burning evidence, pure and simple. In order for fines to be assessed against BP for damage to wildlife and the environment, the government relies in part on numbers of wild animals found dead or disabled. The dead animals that can be picked up are necropsied by veterinary pathologists. This includes a full dissection and examination of internal organs and collection of tissue samples for microscopic examination, with a final report on the cause of death and contributing factors.
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There is no possible way that BP can justify blocking conservationists from rescuing endangered marine wildlife. Fuck.

@2: Yes, we get that you think this is all Obama's fault. Shouldn't you also be blaming 9/11, the assassination of JFK, and the Holocaust on him? Because he's done about as much to cause those as he has this oil leak.
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This is...Evil. I can't think of a better word.
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Fuck it. I'm taking it upon myself to handle this situation. Does anyone have a gun I could steal? Time to thin out some of our population from the BPious-Executivious family.

http://progressiveboink.com/jon/images/c…
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One of these species BP burned alive is the critically endangered Kemp's Ridley sea turtle. It is the rarest and most endangered sea turtle in the world and only breeds in the warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico.
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Now Jr-

Obama didn't cause the leak.
But he hasn't stopped it.
And he should have.

The 'leader' of the most powerful nation on the planet.
But he can't gather the minds and material to plug a 22inch pipe a mile deep???
It is a stunning numbing failure of leadership.
And a stunning numbing display of incompetence.

He is the President, after all.
The man we elect to protect us...
And our oceans...
And the turtles....
from the likes of BP.

Jr, if a man broke in at night and stole your stuff and raped your wife you'd probably be pretty mad. (let's imagine the scoundral took your favorite YuGiOh cards...)
You'd probably blame the burglar/rapist.
But if the same guy broke in every night for 69 nights in a row and took your stuff and raped your wife and you were calling the cops every day but they couldn't stop it at some point you might begin to question the job the police were doing.

What you've got to ask yourself is
how many more days are you going to let BP
rape your wife
before you expect Obama
to come in off the golf course
and put a stop to it?....
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@11 - You're absolutely right. I fully expect Obama to don scuba gear and personally swim down there and plug the leak. What's he waiting for?
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So America, how's that drilly driving thing workin' for ya? *wink wink*
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Kill baby, kill.
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Well....
that is what Reagan would have done
but we'd be happy if Obama
just let the Navy do it...
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@11, 15: If it's so easy and you understand the science and engineering behind it, why don't you explain how it can be done? Remember: the oil is under fairly high pressure; it's more like plugging a geyser than plugging a spring, except that this geyser is constantly erupting. Second, the pressure that far down is incredible; at the seafloor, it's roughly 150 atmospheres. The Soviet Mike Class Nuclear Submarine, the deepest-diving combat sub, can't even descend that far; we're working with unmanned robots being buffeted around by the currents trying to fix a leak that does not exactly want to be plugged.
The truth is that in a worst-case scenario like this, we do not have tested science to repair the problem, which is why we should not be drilling in deep waters in the first place. We are inventing this as we go along.
Instead of blaming Obama for not altering the space-time continuum so as to allow us to fix the leak, you should be blaming the corner-cutting and profiteering by BP and other oil companies that got us into this mess. But I suppose that wouldn't fit with your opinion that Obama's responsible for everything.
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"...caught in the oil and weed a few miles away from the leak." well, at least the oil was there before the conservationists...
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This is where I endorse the Chinese approach: execution. Line up the BP execs and shoot them.
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sounds like a good argument for shallow sea and alaskan drilling.
remind us-
just who exactly is it that won't allow that?...
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@19: That's like saying, "Oh, if we crack down on petty theft, thieves tend to rob banks instead. We should relax our enforcement of the little crime so that the big crime doesn't happen."
Nice try with the Palinism, but your reasoning doesn't stand up. The better solution would be to break our dependency on oil by supporting research into biofuels and other renewable sources of energy. This, to continue my analogy, corresponds to funding job-creating initiatives so as to give thieves an alternative to a life of crime.
You short-sighted conservatives make me sad inside, what with your tired insistence on thinking squarely inside the box.
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do your research.
in the meantime the country consumes X amount of oil and if it can't be safely drilled in alaska and shallow seas then expect more leaks.
nothing keeping the liberals from showing us phillistines the way and cutting your oil consumption.

didn't think so...
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@21: Actually, we have seen research in the recent past and in the present towards effective sources of renewable energy. Like here: http://www.nrel.gov/
It's just that research doesn't happen overnight, and conservatives, due to their ties to petroleum companies, have done their damndest to block funding for anything that would threaten oil companies' profits.
Remember: if you lot didn't insist that we should still suck at the oil teat, we would not be in this mess. Stop trying to shift responsibility and grow enough of a pair to start thinking about how to fix your mess.
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Fucking hell.
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No one is shoving the oil tit in YOUR mouth Jr
(you're confusing that recurring dream about your sister again...)
Go ahead, wean yourself from oil.
Show us how it's done!
In the meantime stop trying to shift responsibility and grow enough of a pair to start thinking about how to fix your own mess.

(ps here's a spoiler alert-
wind and solar are just a breeze up your ass
your energy solution is one word-
new-key-lur....)
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Damn...

that's grim.

why the fuck did Obama let them put that well in?
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@24: Lobbyists from oil companies are dangerously influential in Washington. Your type block any sort of funding to alternative energy, and then criticize us for not making progress. We can't wean ourselves off oil all on our own; we intend to take THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY with us.
You obviously aren't a scientist, so your ignorance isn't too surprising, but I should mention these all the same:
-Aeolian and solar energy are perfectly plausible if we implement them on a decently large scale.
-Until we develop battery technology several levels above what we have now, nuclear energy won't be terribly useful for transportation.
-You neglect to mention biofuels. If we continue our research into bacterial bioreactors, we can convert cellulose from corn stalks into ethanol (and thence into more energy-dense fuels).
-It's pronounced "new-klee-yur", not "new-key-lur". Are you mentally deficient? (You don't need to answer that question; I'm fairly certain of the answer.)

@25: The Department of the Interior's Minerals Mining Service, the regulating body for oil rigs, approved the Deepwater Horizon site in 2001. I think you mean "why the fuck did Bush let them put that well in?"
Except that you want to hang everything on the President so that you can feel justified in your illogical views. Classy.
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Obama was going to throw all the lobbyists into the Potomac River-
what's taking him so long?

And how much alternate energy funding was there in the 4.3 TRILLION dollars of debt Obama has racked up in 18 months?

When the Kennedys stop blocking wind turbines on the Mass coast you can come back and we'll talk-
Real Americans have had a bellyfull of Liberal EcoFascist Hypocricy...

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In Febuary 2010 drilling began on the well that has been gushing oil for 68 days.

Obama had been President over a year before drilling began.

When is all the Changey-Hopey going to kick in?

You girls realize it's only a four year term, don't you?....
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so Jr, how did your wife like being raped by BP again last night?
do tell her the police are doing their very best
but the problem seems to be the fault of the previous police chief.....
we're sure that will make her feel better.
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I wonder why the unregistered coward @28 thinks that calling people 'girls' is an insult. Like most right wing nut jobs, it hates women.

Also @28 and 29. Obama accepted responsibility because he didn't rescind Bush's self regulation policies fast enough. It was inevitable that a major oil company would cut corners severely enough to cause this kind of disaster. It's what they do, but he was too busy fixing Bush's destruction of the economy, the Republican scam system we call healthcare, and Bush's fraudulent war in Iraq to get to it. He apologized for not fixing Bush's corruption of the oil industry fast enough.

Policy has consequences, and Democrats don't have a magic wand to instantly fix the damage done by a completely corrupt eight year Republican administration. It takes time to fix a nation ruined by stupid policies.

If you're so concerned about deficits, where were you when Bush gave all those tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires and started 2 wars without raising taxes. Obama's recovery spending is tiny compared to the last eight years of big-government Republican spending and tax cuts. Look it up. The math is incredibly simple.
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why do you assume it is an insult?

more whining about how bush is the reason obama can't accomplish this or that. maybe obama isn't up to the job. before the election we tried to point out that he had zero experience....

sorry
'accepting responsibility' isn't more whining that 'gee, the mess the other guy left is bigger than we thought...'
it's just more whining

bush spent too much money. the republican congress spent money like democrats and no conservatives were sorry to see the gop lose the congress in 2006. if congress is going to spend money it does not have leave that job to the experts, the democraps.
and they have not let us down.
more than half of all the deficit accumulated in bush's 8 years came in the 2 years after pelosi became speaker.
and obama, in his first year, racked up more debt than bush did in 8.
debt seems to be growing exponentially under the democraps.
LOOK IT UP

conservatives do not condone deficit spending under bush
the teabaggers are evidence of that.
they are putting the gop on notice that spending as in the past is not acceptable.
and it is a message that resonates with America.
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@31: You're mostly right. But the message isn't resonating. Most Americans want to keep spending.

I mean, they don't want to "keep spending," but they want to keep Social Security, Medicare, paying down our debt interest, and financing the Pentagon.

Which is another way of saying "keep spending."

On top of that, I don't think the country is dumb enough to re-elect the people and the policies that created the mess to fix it. No matter how frustrated they might (or might not) be with Obama, he's still not Bush. And that's just, well, kinda the way that is.
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@30: Right on, about the time thing. Bush has 8 years to fuck up the country. It's ridiculous we're expecting it's going to take only 2 to fix it. When you look at the magnitude of our spending, geopolitical, environmental, and social problems, I'd be thrilled if it took anything less than decades.

We're not children about this. We're in it for the long haul.
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The deficit/budget picture is grim.

A huge percentage of spending is 'fixed' (SS and Medi entitlements, interest)

Interest will rise to a Trillion a year (interest only) by the time Obama is done. Assumiong interest rates don't rise- and it's hard to see how they won't as our borrowing keeps going up.
Cutting entitlements will be a huge bloodbath and neither party (nor the public) seems to have the stomach for it.
Raising taxes will only stiffle economic growth.
The "rich", unfortunately, are not rich enough to pay for it all, even if the Liberals confiscate every penny they own.

It is, in a word, grim.

(and it all leaves us economically and morally ill equipted to deal with a genuine foreign crisis should/when one arises)

It is only slightly hyperbolic to say (as the troll loves to say...) that the (liberal) bankrupt welfare state is collapsing around our ears
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@34: You do realize that not a word of what you say makes the slightest bit of sense?
Keep fucking that chicken.
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@35: Actually, it made sense to me. It just isn't helpful. There's no solution proposed, only hyperbole.

Finally, he also ignores that entitlements--as problematic as they might soon be--are not the reason we're currently running a deficit. They're on the verge of going into the red, but they're not in the red right now. The rest of the budget (namely, defense and debt service) is currently dragging our government into the loss column. There are times when that's okay.

So we need to cut spending AND raise taxes (hint: one or the other won't do it alone). No one wants to talk about this, really. Instead everyone's just kind of preoccupied with assigning blame to the deficit, like it even matters if Obama or Bush is to blame. Less than Obama and Bush, irresponsible policies are to blame. And our economy is to blame. And WE (the American people) are to blame. Realizing that would be the first step forward. (As a side note: I remember being called a 'deficit-obsessed liberal' for complaining about the deficit in 2005. Now I'd be called a 'teabagger.' My views, though, have not changed on this issue.)

So, you know, here we are. He continues his childish mockery of us and our ideas while we childishly mock his childish mockery; meanwhile, the picture gets more, as he puts it, "grim." And then we all sit there and wonder why...
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@36: Point. What I've noticed is that both Democrats and Republicans spend government money and are capable of making spending cuts when necessary; the difference is that only Democrats have the balls to raise taxes when it becomes necessary (and risk angering the anti-government reactionaries).
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i don't care how much oil bp is spewing. if they are purposefully killing individuals of an endangered species, this is reason enough to completely shut them down.
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Yes, BP is too blame, however, the damage is done. So, instead of living in the past and arguing who or who's not to blame, move forward and fix the problem. It took PRESIDENT OBAMA more than 77 days to consider suspending the Jones Act. Are you serious? Yeah, Obama is not to blame for the origin of the problem but as our president, his main concern should be focused on the solution. Regardless of fault. There is simply no explanation for his failure of Leadership! After Katrina, Bush suspended the Jones Act after only a couple of days. I may have not agreed with everything Bush did during his office, but I never second guessed his love for OUR COUNTRY. A passion that does not reside, or will ever, in the current white house!

"YES WE CAN", as long as its good for my political career!

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