Their flight path includes a jog following Madison (2 blocks away) over downtown (0 blocks away). I'm between buildings taller than 200'. The noise ricochets loudly.
You sound so dull! Jet airplanes are an incredible feat of human invention. We should revel in the loudness like a rock opera of aeronautical engineering!
Anyone who says they hate the Blue Angels is cordially invited to come down to Ruby Chow Park in Georgetown, at the north end of Boeing Field, this Sunday afternoon to watch them take off. The park will be packed with folks waiting for the most exciting 20 seconds of the summer. I've done it three years in a row now, and I wouldn't miss it!
I've lived in Seattle for most of my 50+ years, born and raised here. I've never heard of these "Blue Angels" you speak of. Angels? Are they really blue?
Hating the Blue Angels is as cliched as loving the Blue Angels. I find that a studied indifference to their noise and show is the best approach. Too sum it up: meh.
The only people who should have any legitimate complaint about the noise of the Blue Angels are refugees who have fled conflicts involving U.S. fighter jets. Everyone else, suck it up. It's 4 days out of the entire year. Think about how all the bigots feel during Pride.
The "sound of freedom" is what you hear just before the first 50 megaton detonation...
@7:
If I WANTED to live next door to an Air Force base, I'd move back to Cheyenne. But I don't want to live next door to one, which is one reason I live here instead.
Don't get me wrong, I love aerobatics, but I'd be just as happy seeing, say, the Breitling AeroSuperBatics Team, instead of these multi-million dollar, fuel-guzzling death machines.
Or conversely some balls-to-the-wall Boeing pilot barrel-rolling a 787...
My favorite part is the glorious smoke trail of tax dollars blazing across the sky behind them; The thrill of finding tiny granulated bits of charred $100 bills floating gently to earth in their wake.
If you've ever lived in an actual war zone (or failing that, NYC during and directly after the events of 9/11) you know that this shit will get your PTSD going like nothing else.
But I'm glad it makes people feel "patriotic." I love America, but let's not pretend this isn't about might making right and ignoring the suffering of those with less privilege.
How about sky-writing? Or a huge one day free clinic showing our medical superiority? Free food for everyone demonstrating the strength of America's farming? There are so many way to illustrate our virtues that don't involve loud noises, re-invoking trauma, and machines that were primarily made to kill.
I used to attend a meeting regularly held in Seattle during SeaFair. Thankfully I wised up and stopped going. If I want an airshow-induced migraine, there are plenty to avail myself of here in the midwest.
I guess I just imagine I'm a refugee from another country - y'know, one of the ones we bomb mercilessly. I imagine hearing that sound and screaming bloody terror because it usually accompanies my loved ones getting killed.
Yeah, love that shit.
Anyway, here's to ugly displays of patriotism in America's least patriotic city!
It's the sonic ear-rape you hate? Not that they are constantly crashing, or the gratuitous fuel consumption, or the symbolism of the military-industrial complex? Of all the cliche reasons to hate them, yours has to be the most boring. Step it up Schmader!
Jesus, this thread is hilarious. Wasn't SLOG just making fun of people in Maple Valley (?) complaining about 4th of July fireworks? Or maybe everyone is just being ironic and I'm not hip enough to get it.
On the average, one F/A-18 uses approximately 8,000 pounds or 1,300 gallons of JP-5 jet fuel at a cost of roughly $1,378. That's per flight, per plane. That's over 27,000 gallons of fuel just for our little four day affair. Weren't we trying to reduce our dependence on oil?
The basic acquisition price of a single F/A-18 A Hornet is approximately $21 million. Great way to spend money in the middle of a friggin recession, when budgets are being cut for everything we might need more than a handful of war machines flying over our homes for an entire weekend.
"e I'm a refugee from another country - y'know, one of the ones we bomb mercilessly."
I know you're dumber than rocks, but you know that most, say Vietnamese, refugees who fled to this country supported the US effort there, right? THis is why you never see a communist Vietnamese flag hanging in a Seattle pho restaurant, the only place you can afford to eat out in dipshit.
Come on, just seeing Seattle hippies and 'Peace now' sissies wet themselves and run and hide under their beds with their neurotic tails between their legs for 3 days is worth it.
You're not men, you're shi-tzus with bladder problems.
Time for a poll: 1) grew up here and love the angels; 2) grew up here and hate the angels; 3) not from here and love the angels; 4) not from here and hate the angels.
Full disclosure, I grew up here and to me the Blue Angels are the sound of summer.
@51 I'm guessing they don't buy a new fleet of F-18's every year for these shows. And if you seriously want to talk about ways to reduce dependence on oil, an air show recruitment tool for the Navy should be pretty far down your list.
@54 - I'll take 5) grew up here and am largely indifferent. I've never made a point of seeing them, but on the few occasions I have seen the show, I enjoyed it.
America, Fuck Yeah!
Comin' again to save the motherfuckin' day, Yeah
America, Fuck Yeah!
Freedom is the only way, Yeah
Terrorists, you're game is through
''cause now you have ta answer to
America, Fuck yeah!
So lick my butt and suck on my balls
America, Fuck Yeah!
Whatcha' gonna do when we come for you now
It's the dream that we all share
It's the hope for tomorrow
(Fuck Yeah!)
McDonald's (Fuck Yeah!)
Wal-Mart (Fuck Yeah!)
The Gap (Fuck Yeah!)
Baseball (Fuck Yeah!)
The NFL (Fuck Yeah!)
Rock N' Roll (Fuck Yeah!)
The Internet (Fuck Yeah!)
Slavery (Fuck Yeah!)
(etc., etc....)
Haborview has a Refugee Medicine Clinic because that demographic has some unique medical problems. Every time the Angels fly by there are people who literally throw themselves to the ground. Others scream, duck, or simply cower in anguish. Calls for appointments during Seafair week spike due to increased PTSD symptoms. These people truly suffer.
@70: That was showing restraint. Even if people don't care about refugees, there are a lot of veterans with PTSD who are flipping their shit right now. I don't care if these specific planes were manufactured in '86, I think it's more about the sound of fighter jets, the fast shadow passing overhead, and the wind whipping by your face as you try to figure out what the fuck is going on.
I'm glad it's nostalgic for some people, but please move it somewhere where we can choose whether or not to experience it. I don't think that's too much to ask.
I am surprised nobody has brought up the point that the fucking roads are shut down for the blue angels to fly around. With how transit oriented the SLOG is I was shocked.
I-90 is shut down for portions of the day for 4 days. It also goes to show that when you shut down a freeway the whole world doesn't fall apart after all. It really puts the viaduct issues i perspective.
@76 That arguement works great. It goes just like this; "You can avoid my fist if you just move your face. Surely you don't mind me throwing punches at you."
I wonder if there's an ADA case here. I would never do it, but if PTSD counts as a mental condition... Also, this has to go way over the legally allowed decibel level.
America Fuck Yea! popped up on my iPod's random shuffle as they were buzzing by. It was the closest I've come to enjoying their annual terrorism of my 'hood.
I live in a town where fists have been a summer tradition for decades. Fists occur each summer, like clockwork, and I sit around and complain. Rather than whining incessantly and getting hit by the fist, I could easily plan ahead and avoid the fist when it is scheduled to occur.
@51, the Blue Angels don't run on jet fuel, dummy, they run on sweet, liquid freedom. Which is why you can hear all that loud freedom when they fly overhead.
Only planes from socialist countries need to use actual jet fuel (I'm looking at you, Red Arrows.)
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that only 1 out of 10 people claiming to be worried about some vet's PTSD ever think of veterans beyond the time they want to make this argument.
Jebus, this thread has 92 replies? I wanted to reply earlier today but was at work... I'm not going to read all these replies now, but I wanted to say something...
Complaining about the Blue Angels is fucking lame.
There seem to be two complaints, noise and the eeevvvil military. I find it a little silly that all the slog folks who go on about urban living and how it involves things you might not like such as club/street noise, graffiti/tagging, etc etc but that you should suck it up and quit whining, complain about this. The Blue Angles are here for a couple days a year and it's loud. Boo hoo. These are probably the same people that complain about fireworks noise on the 4th. Living in the city also means dealing with frequent traffic jams from pro sports events that I have no interest in, but I don't get all worked up about it.
But it's evil military propaganda! O noez! So? They are up front that the Blue Angels are a recruitment tool, it isn't a secret. Let people make up their own minds. This seems to be a product of a reflexive anti-military stance which is idealistic and naive. We may not like certain things the military does, but they are following orders from elected (well sometimes...2000) civilians. The military itself is not inherently evil and serves some very important functions. As such, they need recruitment just like any other organization. Am I going to sign up because I saw some cool stunts? No, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to do the stunts.
In short, STFU crybabies. At least try to appreciate the amazing combination of technology and human skill that goes into it. Nobody is making you watch it, but they are hugely popular and aren't going away.
I love the blue angels because it means that I'm hearing the sound of freedom and it just makes me think of all those little iraqi kids who herd the sound of freedom too and even though some of them dies it means that the others are no free from saddam hussein and his axis of evil.
I don't like them. "At least try to appreciate the amazing combination of technology and human skill that goes into it." Ha ha ha ha, that's a hilarious sentence!
I don't complain about the noise and I don't mind it. It is kind of nice because everyone looks up and around trying to find them.
However, I am pissed that certain roads/bridges are closed because of Federal Aviation concerns for safety of people and the pilots. Excuse me. Those planes were just flying right over heavily populated downtown/pioneer square/capitol hill etc areas with businesses, homes and sometimes packed public parks and the aviation people are concerned about plane crashes on bridges.
Frak the FAA for fraking with the commuting public.
I find that a little silly too. A couple years ago I was setting up a fireworks show for the Oregon International Airshow and the Blue Angels were performing that weekend. This was shortly after the fatal crash in 2007 and they made us leave the field for practice. I wasn't too worried about the Blue Angels considering we were setting up fireworks with F-15s flying 100ft overhead (possibly the loudest thing I've ever heard).
@92: As someone who works with veterans and is related to several, I'm glad to be one of the people that actually means it.
And to everyone comparing the blue angels to normal city and bar noise, I'd like to say it's both quantitatively and qualitatively different. It's both louder (decibel-level) and in sharp bursts. At the end of the day, it's a simple question: is tradition and the enjoyment of the majority more important then sensitivity for the needs of a minority? That's a question you have to answer for yourself, but don't minimize the impact it has on others so you can feel better about your position.
Dismissing people's experience just adds insult to injury.
David, You're as old as I am. Almost as old as Dan. We're at that age when this sort of undergraduate cliche complaining is unseemly. I offer that as a friend, dear.
Besides, You've lived in this city for decades. If you hate the Blue Angels so much, why don't you plan a nice little trip each year? Go pay your respects at the grave of JD and Alice Ross at the Skagit hydroelectric project, or perhaps visit beautiful Kelso. We live in a vacation wonderland, after all....
I admire the Blue Angeles for the engineering and high "fuck yeah!" factor, but then I imagine myself as a little brown person running in terror as hellfire and death rains down on me, and the "fuck yeah" turns to "hmmm, maybe that isn't so cool". At which point I hear the ignorant retort of a god-and-country loving hillbilly along the lines of "fuck those little brown people, they get what they deserve." Then I start having an imaginary argument with the hillbilly, at which point I realize this is all in my head and I move on.
I'm pretty sure I just got a sonic colonic.
/i like jets
Did you see that?! He totally just spun and went upsidown and wuz all WOOOOOOOOOOOSH!
Or fall on your children.
Do this while making out with my girl and playin' "Take My Breath Away".
America! We're #1!
@7:
If I WANTED to live next door to an Air Force base, I'd move back to Cheyenne. But I don't want to live next door to one, which is one reason I live here instead.
Don't get me wrong, I love aerobatics, but I'd be just as happy seeing, say, the Breitling AeroSuperBatics Team, instead of these multi-million dollar, fuel-guzzling death machines.
Or conversely some balls-to-the-wall Boeing pilot barrel-rolling a 787...
If you think I'm going to stop, taint happenin'.
But I'm glad it makes people feel "patriotic." I love America, but let's not pretend this isn't about might making right and ignoring the suffering of those with less privilege.
How about sky-writing? Or a huge one day free clinic showing our medical superiority? Free food for everyone demonstrating the strength of America's farming? There are so many way to illustrate our virtues that don't involve loud noises, re-invoking trauma, and machines that were primarily made to kill.
anyways, i'm excited they are here. its like an air show you don't have to get stuck in traffic to get to.
Second, @Baconcat you are on a ROLL!
Yeah, love that shit.
Anyway, here's to ugly displays of patriotism in America's least patriotic city!
The basic acquisition price of a single F/A-18 A Hornet is approximately $21 million. Great way to spend money in the middle of a friggin recession, when budgets are being cut for everything we might need more than a handful of war machines flying over our homes for an entire weekend.
I know you're dumber than rocks, but you know that most, say Vietnamese, refugees who fled to this country supported the US effort there, right? THis is why you never see a communist Vietnamese flag hanging in a Seattle pho restaurant, the only place you can afford to eat out in dipshit.
Come on, just seeing Seattle hippies and 'Peace now' sissies wet themselves and run and hide under their beds with their neurotic tails between their legs for 3 days is worth it.
You're not men, you're shi-tzus with bladder problems.
Go Angels!
Full disclosure, I grew up here and to me the Blue Angels are the sound of summer.
Blue Angels ftw!
@54 - I'll take 5) grew up here and am largely indifferent. I've never made a point of seeing them, but on the few occasions I have seen the show, I enjoyed it.
I must be a freak.....doh!
No, it's an air show you get stuck in traffic for whether you're going to it or not.
And @52:
I don't recall Air Force One dropping bombs on innocent civilians much, do you?
America
America, Fuck Yeah!
Comin' again to save the motherfuckin' day, Yeah
America, Fuck Yeah!
Freedom is the only way, Yeah
Terrorists, you're game is through
''cause now you have ta answer to
America, Fuck yeah!
So lick my butt and suck on my balls
America, Fuck Yeah!
Whatcha' gonna do when we come for you now
It's the dream that we all share
It's the hope for tomorrow
(Fuck Yeah!)
McDonald's (Fuck Yeah!)
Wal-Mart (Fuck Yeah!)
The Gap (Fuck Yeah!)
Baseball (Fuck Yeah!)
The NFL (Fuck Yeah!)
Rock N' Roll (Fuck Yeah!)
The Internet (Fuck Yeah!)
Slavery (Fuck Yeah!)
(etc., etc....)
The F/A-18s never saw combat until 1986, in case anyone's speculating on exactly who's might be PTSD'ing today.
I'm glad it's nostalgic for some people, but please move it somewhere where we can choose whether or not to experience it. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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Boeing was working on a fuel cell plane. Maybe they could fly that around a bit.
I-90 is shut down for portions of the day for 4 days. It also goes to show that when you shut down a freeway the whole world doesn't fall apart after all. It really puts the viaduct issues i perspective.
Only planes from socialist countries need to use actual jet fuel (I'm looking at you, Red Arrows.)
-- http://www.seafair.com/history/
Complaining about the Blue Angels is fucking lame.
There seem to be two complaints, noise and the eeevvvil military. I find it a little silly that all the slog folks who go on about urban living and how it involves things you might not like such as club/street noise, graffiti/tagging, etc etc but that you should suck it up and quit whining, complain about this. The Blue Angles are here for a couple days a year and it's loud. Boo hoo. These are probably the same people that complain about fireworks noise on the 4th. Living in the city also means dealing with frequent traffic jams from pro sports events that I have no interest in, but I don't get all worked up about it.
But it's evil military propaganda! O noez! So? They are up front that the Blue Angels are a recruitment tool, it isn't a secret. Let people make up their own minds. This seems to be a product of a reflexive anti-military stance which is idealistic and naive. We may not like certain things the military does, but they are following orders from elected (well sometimes...2000) civilians. The military itself is not inherently evil and serves some very important functions. As such, they need recruitment just like any other organization. Am I going to sign up because I saw some cool stunts? No, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to do the stunts.
In short, STFU crybabies. At least try to appreciate the amazing combination of technology and human skill that goes into it. Nobody is making you watch it, but they are hugely popular and aren't going away.
Summer doesn't officially start in Seattle until this Slog post reaches 100 comments.
However, I am pissed that certain roads/bridges are closed because of Federal Aviation concerns for safety of people and the pilots. Excuse me. Those planes were just flying right over heavily populated downtown/pioneer square/capitol hill etc areas with businesses, homes and sometimes packed public parks and the aviation people are concerned about plane crashes on bridges.
Frak the FAA for fraking with the commuting public.
I didn't get a good picture of the FA-18s, but here is their support plane with some racks in the foreground:
http://amnt.vox.com/library/photo/6a00cd…
And to everyone comparing the blue angels to normal city and bar noise, I'd like to say it's both quantitatively and qualitatively different. It's both louder (decibel-level) and in sharp bursts. At the end of the day, it's a simple question: is tradition and the enjoyment of the majority more important then sensitivity for the needs of a minority? That's a question you have to answer for yourself, but don't minimize the impact it has on others so you can feel better about your position.
Dismissing people's experience just adds insult to injury.
Besides, You've lived in this city for decades. If you hate the Blue Angels so much, why don't you plan a nice little trip each year? Go pay your respects at the grave of JD and Alice Ross at the Skagit hydroelectric project, or perhaps visit beautiful Kelso. We live in a vacation wonderland, after all....