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It's been known for many years the study was bullshit, but the BMJ story makes it abundantly clear that the study was deliberate, premeditated, well-compensated fraud, as well. I can't begin to describe how much I hate fraudulent scientists, and then add that this particular case of fraud has led to the death of many children -- an entirely foreseeable result of the fraud. There is no way a physician could have been unaware that his committing this fraud would with certainty lead to unecessary deaths of many children.
All you legal eagles out there in SLOGland -- is there some way this case does not meet the formal criteria for first degree murder for hire? There is no statute of limitations on that crime.
Quoting PZ Myers on Pharyngula.com, the bottom line is: "Children DIED because of the hysteria fomented by the contemptible Wakefield. How does that guy live with himself?"
This guy cause kids to die and more will die because of him.
Ooops Eric @ 11 I didn't see you already said this and more articulately. Akin to murder.
http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.…
Are you fucking serious? He shouldn't be responsible for the deaths caused by his illegal actions because nobody called him on it until now?
Culpability isn't a zero-sum game.
*GOODWIN ALERT*
I mean, really, do you think they should have charged Klaus Barbie's neighbours with crimes against humanity instead of him, since, you know, they didn't report him?
The rhetoric on the part of the vaccine conspiracy true believers was virtually identical to what we would hear from any global warming denier. Even a unified response from the scientific community pointing out the glaring flaws in this study was simply taken as further proof of the conspiracy to cover up the truth. Perversely, scientific consensus is now regularly used as an argument against something, based on the assumption that unanimity of opinion necessarily points to sinister collusion.
Congrats, you pointed out that the media is biased, sensationalist bullshit. You've hit the popular talking point so loved by us educated urban leftists. You've even made daring and controversial (tm) assertions to show you're really serious about spouting platitudes about the ineffectual media. But stop to think for a moment, do you really want to suggest that the media are the ones REALLY at fault for the deaths of thousands of children who died because of one man's crime? If so, you a big fucking moron... I'll give you a chance to rescind that now, allowing you the chance to qualify for the slight upgrade to brainless moron.
Hey Golob, I'm feeling intellectually lazy, so can you craft a response to this: http://preventdisease.com/news/09/102809… All of the answers I can think of are "You're a dumbass and the fact that you're even asking these questions indicates that you clearly shouldn't be making your own or your children's healthcare decisions."
And yeah, most people have known this is bullshit for a long time, unfortunately there is a large section of the population who thinks of these issues as ones of faith.
Skeptics win?
Fuck yes. Chalk up another one for the Randi crowd. I don't know what motivated Wakefield, but I know he acted like an utter scumbag and it's nice to see that his downfall - and more importantly, the collapse of his fraudulent enterprise - isn't flying completely under the radar.
Thanks for reading those. The only reason I'd read un-registered commenters is to remind myself of how many idiots are still out there. I've already accomplished that feat today, so they stayed unread.
Linking this issue to climate change, eh? lol. America is awash in stupid, and there's no ark to climb into.
As I understand it, the fear was that the mercury used in vaccinations was what was causing the illnesses. Does that mean that we don't have to worry about the mercury anymore, or is that a separate issue that still needs addressed.
It's not a separate issue nor is it a problem.
Mercury is only used in a small number of vaccines these days. In addition, there is much less of it in a vaccine than in your average tuna sandwich, from what I understand.
Absolutely.
And as soon as we pull the needle from this scumbag's cold arm lets put Dan on trial.
For all the teens who contract AIDS from practicing "Anal Sex, Oral Sex, GAY SEX!" as birth control.
And for all the homosexuals who got AIDS after they threw away their condoms based on Dan's advice.
Murder. Indeed.
And how, even if a researcher is trying to be nuetral it is easy to allow the biases we all poses about pretty much everything (social policy, scientific theory, etc etc) to unintentionally colour study design and interpretation.
And how, in the murky subjective field of social policy research it is especially difficult not to let your personal feelings affect your research.
He can also explain how the university/research community, especially where social science is concerned, is an overwhelmingly liberal one fervent in all the tenents of the secular humanist homoliberal theology.
And how devasting it can be to one's career to swim against the homoliberal orthodox tide when it comes to securing position, tenure and grants.
Dr Golob could also tell you how fervently homosexual (and faghag) researchers at universities all across the nation are seeking "proof" to validate their beliefs about homosexuality.
After all, what's a little academic fudging when it is for the good of The Cause?....
He could also explain how the media, another hotbed of liberalism, laps up the phony bullshit "research" shat out by Queer,Inc and regurgitates it to a credulous public.
We have already seen how Global Warming research fraud operated very similarly to this vaccine hoax.
Dr Golob could explain that gushing fawning "research" about lesbian moms and homosexual penguins and gay genes are part of the same fetid fecal gumbo of HomoLiberal BullShit.
Just ask him........
Just come out of the closet and everything will be ok.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/…
You've done it.
You've uncovered the liberal bias of reality.
Reality should be ashamed of its oppression of you.
But seriously, your concerns are exactly why studies are reproduced and double checked. This study was reproduced but the results were never reconfirmed. All the "liberal" studies you criticize are actually many studies reproduced many times over.
Yes, a lot of Scientists lean towards the liberal side of the spectrum, but the danger of bias is why the scientific method is set up to be easily analyzed and criticized.
....right.
"easily analyzed and 'criticized'."
by other Liberals, who will in turn have their grant requests and studies "analyzed and criticized" by the person whose work they are analyzing and criticizing.
it's a big circular group suckoff.....
Or is it the result of some vast conspiracy?
For the life of me I can't find the article to link it... i'll keep looking but maybe someone else ran across it too?
we don't have any friends.....
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*sniff!*.....
But not trace amounts of mercury to autism, from what I understand.
Certain diseases have actually resurfaced that we thought were gone, too.
Aided, sadly, by Saudi Arabia, which acted as a vector.
[also i think i wrote neural firing previously but meant dendritic growth - something like that]
BUT, mercury, which was already present in only very low levels, has been basically eliminated from vaccines. This was done a number of years ago as a safety measure and to placate the crazies. Yet they continue to scream bloody murder about vaccines. This news will do nothing to stop them. They will continue to claim that mothers know more about their children than doctors.
Whether or not Wakefield is a scumbag (and I say he is), this exposes one of the great problems in modern research, which is that the media will run with a hastily-drawn conclusion to a research study and proclaim it as proven fact... without eyeballing it and asking pertinent questions about the validity. And it ripples throughout society well before anyone makes a concerted, skeptical effort to quality-check, double check and triple check the findings.
Andrew Wakefield is absolutely guilty of a hideous, damaging case of fraud. And the media, through negligent jump-to-conclusions journalism, inadvertently helped him out in his cause. To make sure something like this never happens again, we not only need to be more diligent about vetting our nation's researchers, but be more diligent about how we process the information our media gives us... and not just blindly accept the information they give us as fact.
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/s…
Nobody has had any excuse for believing this nonsense for years.
@57 - Good point(s).
As the mother of an autistc child I will take autism over measles, mumps, tetnus, diptheria etc.. anyday. But I understand that it is really difficult to accept that your child has a condition that will make their life difficult and parenting difficult and is financially and emotionally draining and there is no explaination why. It is much much easier to have something to blame like the MMR.
Also I would like to point out that autiam is not a death sentence! It's a struggle but many autistic kids can, with help, learn to lead happy, fufilling lives.
And I really wish someone would stick a mike in the face of some parent whose kid developed a preventable disease and ask them is they still think they made the right choce for their family and what they advise new parents to do with their babies.
As the mother of an autistc child I will take autism over measles, mumps, tetnus, diptheria etc.. anyday. But I understand that it is really difficult to accept that your child has a condition that will make their life difficult and parenting difficult and is financially and emotionally draining and there is no explaination why. It is much much easier to have something to blame like the MMR.
Also I would like to point out that autiam is not a death sentence! It's a struggle but many autistic kids can, with help, learn to lead happy, fufilling lives.
And I really wish someone would stick a mike in the face of some parent whose kid developed a preventable disease and ask them is they still think they made the right choce for their family and what they advise new parents to do with their babies.
Any parent who had an autistic kid over the age of 25 could have read that "study" and known it was BS, and we did know it was BS. The twits (and yes, they are definitely twits) who are pledged to the mercury theology needed to have a conspiracy theory to explain why they, as obviously perfect human beings, could actually have given birth to children who are not considered perfect. Their kids are pretty young and the parents are still in denial, and they've got support in that denial: parents' blogs. That denial will continue, supported by new conspiracy theories, wasting time, money, and driving their kids--autistic and non-autistic--nuts.
If bullying, hatred/hysteria, intimidation and ridicule are all you have for an argument, then you must not have much of an argument. You all have ALOT more in common with the anti-gay movement than you realize! and Fuck ALL you hypocrites!! -k)
Wow what an incredible hate campaign the Stranger has going on against the vaccine safety movement! Complete with personal attacks and straw man arguments...too bad for the anti-gay movement that you guys aren't also anti-gay, with all the hate you whip up from your readers...
...the pharmeceutical Industry must be in LOVE the Stranger!
The vaccine-issues MOST IGNORED by the Stranger (Why?):
1- First off the British Medical Journal is owned by Merck (Merck sells vaccines!) -does anyone see an ethics violation here? a conflict of interest? No? Then fuck you hypocrites!
2- Wakefield never said "cause," BUT because a Murdoch owned publication comes out saying Wakefield said vaccines "cause" autism, it is repeated over and over until everyone believes it. Wakefield's actual words were that there was a "possible cause," and adding that it "needed further investigation." -not unethical nor criminal, but since a billion-dollar industry does NOT want ANY investigation of a link (or especially a call for further investigation into a possible link between autism and vaccines) anyone caught doing so is going get what Wakefield got.
And what about the ethics violations of Dr. Offit, profitting off vaccines he created. You don't think he has a vested interest in "studies prove no link between autism and vaccines containing mercury"? And how many of those "studies" are funded by industry? Why no investigation into that?!
3- The pharmeceutical industry is predicting $35 billion dollars profits in vaccine sales just for 2012! -oh, and they care more about product safety than profits? Then why is there a law (NCVI Act of 1986) that says all vaccine manufacturers are not liable for any injury, including death, resulting from their products that are "unavoidably unsafe" -as the law specifically describes them.
And the U.S. Supreme Court confirmed this law last 22 Feb 2011 (Brueswitz v. Wyeth No. 09-152)
Can anyone explain that language "unavoidably unsafe" used by that law to describe vaccines?
4- If autism is really just a genetic disease, why was it never reported in any medical analogues, all throughout human history, until a Dr. Kanner first comes across its symptoms in 1938? And even in the early 1980's autism cases were really rare. It was not until after the NCVI Act of 1986, in the late 1980's, that autism has been on the increase and has been ever since: recent autism rates from the CDC, released in 2009, show that in between 2004 and 2006, average autism rates had risen 57% (97% in some areas and 20% in others -averaging out to a 57% overall increase).
With no evidence whatsoever, the claim can be made that, 'Autism has always been with us we just never noticed it before'? Really!!? Have you ever seen how difficult (and time-consuming!!) and expensive it is to take care of an autistic person? Of all the diseases that vaccines protect children from, none are nearly as debilitating as autism. Just try watching this 6-min youtube submitted by parents trying to care for their autistic child ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu7C5clA4… ) and try saying autism has always been with us, it was just never noticed before! GET FUCKING REAL!!!
5- And what about the CDC and the FDA? Give me a goddamm break!!! They are the most corrupt goddamned government institutions America has ever seen!!!!! So many conflict-of- interest caes, where CDC and FDA administration officials end up working for the pharmeceutical industry -you could run an investigative tv series on every conflict-of-interest incident involving administrative officials and never run out of stories! The last director of the CDC now works for Merck...Investigate THAT, you Stranger cunts!
6- Mercury has a documented history of causing harm to the human brain -the ancient Romans sent their lowest people into the mercury mines; syphillus was treated by mercury until peicillin was invented but only the wealthy could afford the mercury treatment -so the high correlation of neurological brain problems associated with syphillus does not exist at all with the poorer populations (black and indian), and disappears altogether when penicillin is invented...etc.
So why is it too much to ask that mercury be removed from all pharmecuetical procucts?
Why all this hatred for the vaccine-safety groups like Safe Minds, Age of Autism, Elizabeth Birt, and nvic.org when all they are asking for is vaccine safety? Why is the vaccine-safety movement still being accused of being anti-vaccine when they are not anti-vaccine? Do we accuse people of being anti-car when all they want is safer cars? No, hopefully we don't. So why the blanket hatred for those who only want vaccines to be safe?
(If you're tired of only hearing from pharmeceutical propaganda and their paid "scientists," I suggest www.safeminds.org ; www.ageofautism.com ; www.ebcala.org ; and www.nvic.org)
Otherwise, fuck off!