Chanda Davis said that she was she was in the backyard of her home on North Danzler Road in Duncan getting ready to use her grill at about 7:30 p.m. Sunday.
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A few things:
1) Had these dogs been Boxers or Boston Terriers would they have been met w/ such fear? Was this woman, like so many others, influenced by an irresponsible media that instills fear and perpetuates the pit bull as monster theory.
Would she have simply shooed away other dogs?
2) Dogs of any breed should NEVER be free to roam the neighborhood, even when tasty BBQ is in the air
3)Sad that this led to a dog fight/ stabbing. Hope the 2 surviving dogs recover and lead happy lives
but those photos? what is it with the smiling pic holding the butter knife? "Lance, I'm ready for my close-up!".
You know, maybe those were awful, aggressive dogs, the perceived threat was 100% real, and what she did was totally appropriate. That's ENTIRELY possible. It's also entirely possible given the available information, though, that this lady freaked out because of an irresponsibly media-inflated sense of public fear and created a situation that has traumatized herself and her child, ruined her property, injured her own dog, and killed another that just wanted a hot dog when she could have instead put her child in a safe place and shooed the dogs away. In either case, the mystery owner allowing the dogs to wander free is inexcusable and s/he should be fiscally and criminally responsible.
But you know, if the dogs were a violent threat, as is entirely possible, pretty much no one in the animal community is advocating the idiotic course of action you're attempting to lampoon here, Dan, and I really don't understand what it is about this topic that turns you into exactly the same kind of reactionary media hack that you love to criticize every time there's an ignorant news story about weed or LGBT issues or a traffic tunnel.
I think the moral of this story is: Don't fuck with this woman! She means business!
What the fuck? Can anybody link to who said you can't defend yourself from a dog?
If they dont look you in the eye, then you will definately have problems.
Also, what 1, 3 and 5 said.
I ride my bike to work every day through two separate crack neighborhoods and I see members of the criminal underclass with dogs all the time. I know those poodles they're walking are just as dangerous as the pits.
Add to that the reality that if any animal threatens me or my kids I'm going to react. Perhaps overreact. Are you suggesting, Dan, that I need to learn all about dog behavior and breeds, so that I can know which ones I should truly be afraid of and how to most effectively intervene? And if I haven't done so, and I injure a dog after it threatens me, it's my fault?
I think Dan was being ironic.
A dog that won't look you in the eye is submissive and a better choice for a pet.
More proof that YOU are a hack. The woman hadn't even started BBQing. The dogs weren't there for a snack, unless the KID was the snack.
At whomever deemed me a hack...I am pretty sure we don't have enough info to determine if she had begun grilling or not
That highlighted text can't be interpreted to mean that she had burgers 'n' brats sizzling away.
But Nelson did not blame Sunday’s attack on the pit bull breed.
Nelson said, “Dogs that are brought up to be aggressive will be aggressive. And because of the pit bull by nature, the aggression is going to be a little more.”
“You still can’t pin this on the breed,” he said
I believe 100% the dog fight was real and scary. ANY dog would defend it's territory as I am sure the bulldog did...I am sure the ensuing fight was scary, but I still believe this woman likely overreacted
I gotta tell you, I would have stabbed the dogs too. Without any remorse whatsoever.
This story reinforces the "no bad dogs, just bad owners" mantra, contrary to what Dan is trying to coyly insinuate. Why were the two pits wandering around on their own? Any responsible pet owner, especially an owner of a maligned breed--pits, rotties, GSDs--has an extra responsibility to make their dogs safe, good canine citizens. The owner of those pits should be fined at the very least.
Any dog that reacts to being growled at by ATTACKING the growling dog is a violent animal that should be put down. Please post your address and photos of your dogs so we all know to stay the fuck away from your animals and your apologist ass.
About ten years ago I volunteered for COLA (Citizens for Off-leash Areas) here in Seattle. Someone on the board had compiled some interesting statistics from Animal Control about dog attacks at local off-leash parks. Though perhaps out-of -date now one fact the piqued my interest was that while it was true most dog attacks on people were NOT pit breeds, the highest percentage of serious injuries and nearly all of dog fatalities (and the highest percentage of don-on-dog aggression) were inflicted by pit breeds.
While poor media portrayal certainly hasn't helped the breed. Neither has naivety on behalf of Pit owners.
The breed is very powerful pound for pound and bred to be more naturally dog aggressive. Those are facts. Herding dog might bite humans more often, Pits, when the DO bite don't let go.
While ALL dogs will bite or attack humans or other dogs in certain circumstances the important difference is, for instance, where a border collie might leave a scar— a pit can easily maim or kill.
Think of like the difference between a BB gun and a shotgun. And I think it's reasonable to be more cautious and apply stricter controls around a shotgun.
The thing is, this story reinforces the whole "no bad dogs, just bad owners" thing. Why weren't those dogs tied up? Where was their owner? Any owner of a maligned breed has an extra responsibility to make sure their dog is safe and a good canine citizen. There's nothing intrinsically evil or violent about pit bulls, but there is something rotten in any pit bull owner who's too lazy or stupid to prevent harm from coming to somebody or their own dogs.
The only "bad guy" in the story is whoever owns those pits and let them wander around.
The owner IS ultimately at fault (the dogs were loose) but so what?
If you care about your dog control it.
No one should have to deal with your stupid dog unless they want to.
And again the quantifiable difference in jaw strength between a Boston terrier or a spaniel and a pit bull is obvious.
It's like incredulously wondering why people are more fearful of great white shark biting them rather than a dog fish. I mean come the fuck on.
Yes. Properly trained pits are not that much of problem in normal circumstances. But ALL dogs will bite in "certain" circumstances— and pits cause serious harm when they DO bite.
The issue here is an unknown powerful animal intruding into somebodies property that posed a perceived threat.
It's debatable how rational Dan's pit-phobia may or may not be (and his perhaps axe-grindy motives for posting this article).
However, this woman's fears were not irrational. And her actions are thoroughly ethically sound given the circumstances known.
"The pit bulls were menacing her child, it's true"
But that's not what the story says. It says that the dogs were "walking up behind" the child.
And Dan writes:
"and they did attack her dog"
But the article says exactly the opposite: her dog "began to attack the pit bulls."
That's purposely inaccurate and sensationalist reporting, exactly the same as the reporting Dan so often objects to when it's about marijuana. And he compounds it with a lot of sarcasm designed to promote his anti-pit bull agenda.
Now, I would have been worried if two large, powerful dogs I didn't know wandered into my garden and approached my child too. I'd have removed my child from their reach too. And I'd have protected my dog as well if a fight ensued.
Of course, the irony is that what Dan so sarcastically wrote about problem owners is absolutely accurate: the dog's behaviour is the owner's responsibility. But in his single-minded desire to promote breed bans (a subject he knows nothing about), he fails to see the obvious: that actually holding owners accountable for their animals' behaviour is the single best way to prevent injuries to humans and other animals, and that breed bans do nothing to prevent dog attacks. Seriously Dan, drop this bullshit. It just makes you look stupid.
I think Dan just enjoys fucking with you.
But we are all in agreement that this woman is a badass, right? The one-armed child toss? The "screw the gun, I'm using a knife" decision? I'm going to assume she threw in a backflip there at some point, too.
I don't know if they would fight (it is possible) but I would never have them in a situation where it could happen.
I don't think that makes me or my dogs special
Pit bulls up until today are bred to kill other dogs and people, that is their purpose. It's nice that you and some others are able to tame a few, but the majority are raised to be a menace to humans and other pets. The rest of us have the right to live without that obvious danger in our neighborhoods.
*more likely bred from rat and weasel chasers.
While's it's very possible that woman overreacted, I know that if a strange dog came into my yard and attacked my dog they'd be lucky if I only stabbed them with a bread knife. And while there are irresponsible dog owners of every breed, it's a fact that there are significant differences between different breeds, and it's a fact that there are a LOT of fucking irresponsible pit bull owners, who think having an aggressive, poorly socialized dog makes them a bigger person instead of revealing them as an ignorant shit, and hence a lot more poorly socialized, aggressive pit bulls, and it's a fact that pits are powerful, potentially very dangerous dogs, so her reaction was not an irrational one. It's a self-perpetuating reputation, unfortunately.
Poorly socialized dogs are victims of their situation just as poorly socialized humans are victims of their situation. But unfortunately, once they're past a certain age, it's pretty much impossible to ever properly socialize them. The best you can do is give them a good home and keep them away from strangers. And in some cases, it's just not worth it. That's true for dogs, too.
Standing near the door, Davis said, "Right when I got here, they literally were on me. My English bulldog happened just to be walking to the door and she jumped in front of me."
Davis said at that point, the 7-year-old bulldog, Miss Georgia, began to attack the pit bulls. Davis said the dog fight moved from the patio into her dining room.
So they came after her, her dog interposed herself, and then the fight progressed into her house. And unless she got lucky and nailed the carotid artery on the first try, she had to stab them numerous times. Socialized dogs would flee. I don't think she overreacted at all.
Seems like the fine for irresponsible dog ownership should be a lot higher than $900.
Are you seriously arguing that there's not a significant difference between two pit bulls invading your home and two Boston Terriers? They typically weigh 10-25 lbs., less than half what a pit weighs. She wouldn't have needed a bread knife, she could have picked them up and drop-kicked them into the street.
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I call 66 leotarded fails up to this point...
Did I freak out at the sudden appearance of a large, potentially dangerous dog? No; I kept my cool as best I could and carefully pushed the dog towards the door until he got the hint. I didn't go for a knife or throw the cats onto a bookshelf. I simply put my shoulder to the hound (gently) and kept my appendages away from the jaws in case he got bitey.
It turned out it was Remus, our new neighbors' puppy. Keeping such a big dog confined to a yard was still a bit of a learning process to them, but they got the hang of it.
Any pitbull owner who is in denial about that is one of those bad owners people talk so much about.
In other words, you're full of crap, and the idea of you being the arbiter of what makes a good pitbull owner is laughable.
So are you saying that since they didn't she shouldn't kill them? You're so effin wrong on this I can't even get started with you if you would make the above statement.
But I must also say, @78, I quite agree. MikeB is a freakin' clown. Always wait to make absolutely sure you're in danger before you attempt to protect yourself, right, Mike?
If this had happened anywhere else, everyone would be bawling the woman out for being a dog-murderer and for not training her bulldog properly.
Apparently we just have different views about pets. If a pit bull came onto my property and started mauling my cat I would stab that dog right in the eye and not feel a bit of remorse regardless of what my cat (or dog) did b/c it's her territory not the pit bull's. It would suck to have to do it but the owners of the dog would have no one to blame but themselves.
"So this woman is right to have stabbed somebody else's dogs because HER dog wasn't well-trained enough not to pick a fight, eh?"
Yep, absolutely. And this only happened b/c the owners of the pit bulls didn't train THEIR dogs well enough to not roam around the neighborhood going on to other people's property. You don't want you dog stabbed to death with a butter knife? Train them to stay on your property.
"If this had happened anywhere else, everyone would be bawling the woman out for being a dog-murderer and for not training her bulldog properly."
Nope. If a strange, uninvited animal showed up on anyone's property and started fighting with the property owner's animal for whatever reason, regardless of who instigated it, then almost everyone would support the property owner's right to defend her animal by killing the uninvited animals. She didn't just THINK they were a threat and kill them they were actually killing her dog in her house in front of her kid.
(And if my cat had started a fight with Remus and been in danger, I would have separated them with my bare hands. If you know an animal's weak points, you can subdue it without hurting it quite easily.
"I would have separated them with my bare hands....... you can subdue it without hurting it quite easily"
Uhm, yeah, right. Attacking pit bulls can be easily subdued with your bare hands. If only this person had known your bare handed subduing technique then he/she wouldn't be in this situation.
So what, pray tell, is your technique for subduing an attacking pit bull?
But you're saying that it's perfectly acceptable to kill an escaped dog because you can't stop your dog from attacking everything that comes within its range? If I were to knock on the wrong door by mistake, and be attacked by a paranoid resident of the house, if another resident pulled a knife on me to protect his housemate, both of them would go to jail and I'd be in the clear. Why is everyone defending this woman, who clearly doesn't know how to handle animals, and probably shouldn't own a dog?
Considering that a pit can rip the flesh off of your arm in .5 seconds I don't think I'm going to risk that. Like I said before, if you don't want your dog stabbed to death then don't let them walk around the neighborhood unsupervised.
"But HER dog attacked the wandering pits!"
On HER property and only after they went after her daughter first and then turned on her. From the article:
"when two pit bulls suddenly appeared on her patio and started after her 2-year-old daughter"
"Then, as the pit bulls then turned on her, Davis’ 7-year-old English bulldog, Miss Georgia, jumped in front of her and started to fight off the pit bulls."
See? Her dog was FIGHTING OFF the pit bulls. It says so right there. It also says it in the article. Miss Georgia did exactly what a dog is supposed to do, protect her pack. It's curious that you haven't once mentioned the responsibility of the pit owners in this. Especially considering it was straight up illegal for them to let the dogs wander the neighborhood.
And if you're being attacked by two dogs, you put your back to a wall and punch and kick as they come towards you. Aim for the tip of the nose, the base of the throat, and between the eyes. If you can catch one by the base of the jaw and the other one is momentarily incapacitated, feel free to bash its head against the wall to dizzy it up. Of course, if you're being attacked by two dogs, it's best to have a weapon, since you can really only grapple with one at a time. Remember that I was talking about a hypothetical raised by you, not about this situation.
Now chihuahuas are pretty often aggressive. I don't think they'd be so widely tolerated if they were too big to punt.
Of course, this may or may not be any more or less anecdotal than your tired, half-witted, crazy killer dog bullshit. But who cares about the facts? Well, if The Stranger ever tires of you, maybe Fox News or Nancy Grace will take you in. You bitchtard.
Sorry...not gonna trust a pit bull again. Certainly not going to allow one around my kids. Once bitten, twice shy don't ya' know.