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1
Good point, Goldy...so, should Weiner resign, then?
2
But Bill Gates is funding higher education....if you take a course of study that allows him to make more money.

So it's all okay right?
3
on the bright side, at least these people are screwing their kids most of all. of course, they are screwing everyone else's kid too. but, that's just the way it goes sometimes.
4
i question your philosophy, sir/madam dropout. i would expect most seattle state and city legislature members send their precious spawn to private schools.
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@4

indeed. i meant the voters who support continued cuts over restructuring the tax code to be able to maintain revenues & services.
6
Well put, Goldy, but can we quit with equating abuse/neglect/over-taxing/defunding/the price of movie theater popcorn, etc. with rape?

I don't just mean you, I mean all of us.
7
Goldy,

Maybe the crack team of reporters and editors at the Stranger should put together an investigative piece of journalism to enlighten us with all your wisdom on the topic.

What's that? You're interviewing zoo animals about a new album?

Yeah. Thought so.
8
This is the best and most important post on Slog that I've ever read.

I'm continually frustrated at the rapidly eroding support for education, primarily higher education, although they're going after k-12 more and more. Young adults don't even know how badly they're being screwed because they don't know about it-- it's almost never reported how good a deal their parents and grandparents got for state colleges. It seems hopeless though, as this is what the voters want.
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I agree with #6--has K-12 and higher education funding literally been held down and forced into unwanted sexual contact? Nope, sure hasn't. Using rape in this context seriously diminishes the experiences of people who have been traumatized by sexual assault, and is really not even a good allegory in this circumstance. Come on Goldy, you can think of better vocabulary than that.
10
I would actually argue that this disemboweling of education is a crime indeed far worse than rape. If this manner continues, a whole generation of children in at least one of the fifty States will have been prevented, perhaps forever, from the potency to even conceive achieving their true potential in life. This a rape whose consequences linger more than the horrible memory of a greasy sex offender and the years of succeeding therapy; it is like being raped, constantly and consistently, from cradle to grave. I cannot stress enough how damaging this could be, and will be, should it not be consequently reversed.
11
There's a bit of satire, famous in fact, regarding eating babies that has relevance in this context. I would imagine eating babies something worse than rape, but people in the English-language world have a tendency to regard sex crimes as something infinitely worse than any other possible violation.
12
Goldie,
No. 1: You're an idiot.
No. 2: Well, not an idiot in an IQ sense, but an idiot in your bulshit-thinking-out-of-issues.
No.3: Why are you at The Stranger? Why did Dan Savage hire you?
No. 4: You're an old, acerbic, leftie who just throws shit out and hopes some of it sticks.
No. 5: You have something in common with Charles Mudede. Neither one of you actually produces anything of value (and producing coherent writing about issues is of value, but you don't do that). Your value, I guess, is having Slog readers read your crap, shake their collective heads, and then respond because it only costs them 15 seconds of typing and maybe takes them away from their own mundane lives.
13
Great post, Goldy.
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Jesus, Goldy, stop being an asshole.

Yes, the state's public schools have been raped in the name of "small government."

And, yes, Seattle public schools have been swindled in the name of "social justice".

Both are true, both are serious issues, and neither is a fucking squirrel.
16
Hey, you can get a law degree from Costco now! BroughttoyoubyCarl'sJunior.
17
This is all well and good, but our School Board still sucks.
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@4: Everyone in Seattle who can afford to do so sends their "precious spawn" to private schools, because the public schools here don't give a shit about kids from high achieving families.
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@18 -- I am committed to public education. I do not send my "precious spawn" to private schools. I could probably afford it, esp if I claimed they were Catholic, but I don't.

My "precious spawn" will be OK in the public cesspool, thank you very much.
20
One more thing just to wrap it up in a bow for you, Goldy.

The right is fucking public education by gutting its funding. The left is fucking public education by diverting its mission away from free education (the ultimate liberal cause!) towards social services. That means public education is being double fucked from both sides, and that fucks over middle and lower income kids.
21
It's not a distraction, it is a perfect example of the waste and inefficiency that plague the school district. I can worry about the bigger statewide issues (and you know, what I need to cut from the budget when my 3% pay cut hits), and at the same time worry about the increasingly bad decisions made by an organization that plays a huge role in the life of my family and my community.

Jesus fucking Christ that was the most obnoxious thing you have yet written. Get your head out of your ass.
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@20 Man you just nailed it. Kudos!
23
A-fing-men, Goldy.

And, to quote the little used document, the State Constition:

"It is the paramount duty of the state to make ample provision for the education of all children"

…and my pet peeve? We don't even fund full-day kindergarten!
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@19: It's not your kids I'm concerned about, it's lower income kids who's upward mobility (the research shows) depends on a quality education and social connections with kids from upper income, college-educated families.

Kids like me.
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@6: yes. yes yes. normally i don't even kneejerk to this kind of thing because i've become totally desensitized (another side effect of the blogs, yeah?) but something about "systematically raped" just rubs me extra the wrong way.
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also, re: blogs/the internet/humans desensitizing me to unnecessary use of "rape" as a totally hyperbolic tool for comparison, i'm not sure it even quite accomplishes the same WHOA THE SCHOOL BUDGET HAS BEEN TOTALLY FUCKED OVER EXTRA effect intended -- it just kind of makes the user either look like (a) an asshole, (b) some 13 year old on xbox live. on one side, you have totally offensive, on the other side, you just have boring fake-shock, and neither is compelling.
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also, @11: that analogy would work if a modest proposal weren't a stand-out work in its time, whereas using rape in this context is just kind of part of a bigger pit of internet despair. if we're complaining about the "level of discourse" on the subject, especially, "rape" is totally not helpful on a few different levels.

okay, i'm done talking about this. sorry about the triple-comment. and, you know, "hey squirrel" etc, it distracts from the conversation at hand. carry on, slog.
29
Goldy, I am so glad that you joined the slog. Keep up the good work.
30
I see you found your thesaurus. This is a nicely written post. However, you used the word "rape" in a terrible context which makes you a dumbass. A giant dumbass who can write well. Bravo!
31
One thing I always like about Goldy posts - the serious ones, anyway, not the ones where he just makes some bitter-old-man attempt at observational comedy that winds up being distasteful - is that they're goddamn substantial and the trolls in the ensuing comment threads essentially never have anything to say. They resort to deeply infantile name-calling and personal insults, because all their talking points fail them.

Nice work, sir.

And while I perhaps agree in principle that you could, had you devoted a little thought, come up with a better term than "rape," I think it's patently silly to imply that using a word which has become a recognized part of informal modern English somehow diminishes the experiences of people who suffer sexual assault, and also, for fuck's sake SQUIRREL! Hey you guys! Goldy is writing about something incredibly important that I think you all need t- HEY HE USED THE WRONG WORD LOOK EVERYONE FUCK YOU GOLDY USE A BETTER WORD.

Seriously, talk about fucking irony. I don't mind that Seattlites' sensitive consciences make them uptight sometimes, because it's better than the alternative, but sometimes you people need to loosen the fuck up and just let the vernacular slide when there's a bigger point being made.
32
@24: Ugh, Seandr. In a thread about how we're shafting public education, your eloquence is not in your argument but in your boneheaded misuse of "who's" for "whose." C'mon, son, that's an easy one.
33
We "tax" ourselves at public school auctions where well off families like mine can feel good about lowering class size by buying vacations. Voters: please tax us properly!!!
34
Most of the Seattle School Districts wounds are self-inflicted.

Cronyism, corruption, and an overwhelming desire to support artificial goals (Diversity! Social Justice!) at the expense of the primary mission of education appear rampant.
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sorry - "District's"
36
"No, the real cause of all our education woes, the Seattle Times' editors pontificate, is a questionable real estate deal and $162,228 in accounting errors. No, the real cause of all our education woes, the Seattle Times' editors pontificate, is a questionable real estate deal and $162,228 in accounting errors. Squirrel! "

Grow up. No one is upset because of a "quesionable real estate deal and $162,228 in accounting errors." They are upset because the school board goes against the best interest of 99% of Seattle to placate those who holler the loudest and this is just another of many examples. There was no questionable real estate deal. They took property that belonged to everyone and gave it to a church. And used tax payer money for their "gift". Nothing questionable there, it's completely despicable.

37
i like goldy's gardening columns best.
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@32: I'll never understand why some people get hung up by trivial grammatical errors on blogs.
40
Overall, per-pupil spending has been steadily increasing in real dollars across the country. Is this not the case in Washington?

There are several states with less per-pupil spending, but higher graduation rates (including states like Texas, Tennessee, and Arkansas).

http://edmoney.newamerica.net/node/36914

And I'm pretty sure per-pupil spending is higher now in inflation adjusted dollars than it was in the 70's. So, it seems that there must be things going on besides simply funding issues.
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Sorry if this is a double post, but SLOG appears to have eaten my previous comment...

@40 - surely you’ve heard of the games Texas plays with their statistics? Kids who either 1) aren’t going to pass the tests or 2) aren’t going to graduate magically disappear off the school rolls. Schools in Texas have had 900 entering freshmen, but only 250 graduating seniors. However, it’s easy to have a great graduation rate when you calculate your rate by only looking at entering seniors vs. graduating seniors, which is what they do. The only way to get a truly accurate graduation rate is to look at your entering freshmen, then your graduating seniors. I’m willing to bet Arkansas and Tennessee have also been playing fast and loose with many of their stats as well. The other place to look at is the GED rate. Typically the number of enrollees in the GED programs in those states is much higher than in other states. Why? Because they’ve been “encouraged” to leave their schools so as not to drag down the test scores or the graduation rates.
Google the myth of the Texas Miracle for more info.
Also, if Utah pops up as a low-spending state with good grad rates and test scores, then you’ll also want to Google Simpson’s Paradox.
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@41, I'm not saying you're wrong (I know about the false "Texas Miracle," though I believe that was for stats in the 90's), but are you suggesting that all those states, along with Indiana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Idaho, South Dakota, and Kentucky all have skewed graduate data, while Washington's is accurate?

I'm not saying that states don't skew education data to make themselves look good, but if everyone is measuring these things in different ways, then it's really hard to know what's going on. Either way, I think the fact that per-pupil spending is decidedly up since the 70's and 80's indicates that there's more at work here than simply lack of funding.
43
fuckin' A Goldy. Great post.
44
Gee Goldy. Maybe if we didn't have education via teachers with unions, we wouldn't have this issue. Unions have wrecked education, plain and simple. If you want to take an honest look about the differences between then and now, you need look no further than that fact.
45
Goldy-

I get it. Originally you were just... making conversation. And people went and got all ape-shit. Now, their ape-shit-ness brings up another point... why don't people care more when things REALLY MATTER?

Why?... Because they just really like being angry! RAWR!!!

Good series of posts.
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44, don't you ever get tired of singing that song? Cheapskate citizens and - pardon my French - shitty parents are what plague the education system, not the unions.

If you want to sit there like some leotarded parrot, reciting some ready-to-wear talking point from your little unregistered cage, go right ahead. But if your betters succeed in killing the teacher's union, who will you blame for the state of education then?

Conservatives abhor personal responsibility. Everything is always someone else's fault, and they're always the victim. What a miserable way to go through life.
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@44 I would suggest you read some of the books by Kate Rousmaniere (sp?) on the state of teaching in the 1920’s - before unions and see if that is what you want going on in the schools. Additionally, your education blame game has no merit because the majority of the high-scoring nations like Finland have very strong teacher unions, and states with higher test scores like Massachusetts also have strong unions. Yours is a narrow-minded, right-wing blame game; one perpetuated by those whose small brains cannot conceptualize that the issues in public education are a complex part of the greater social ills in our country - poor nutrition, lack of medical care, poverty, access to sex ed/contraception, values (sports over academics), etc.
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@42 - that’s exactly what is happening. NCLB allowed states to set their own measures and their own arbitrary bar. Some states set higher bars than others, thus they looked worse. Other states set the bar lower, so they looked better. All had varying means of calculating their rates. Gerald Bracey has written extensively on this - compared state score “gains” to the lack of gains on the NAEP - and yes, many of those states have skewed graduation rates among other things. WA has had some fuzzy stats too, but their info has traditionally been a bit more transparent, so less chance of it.
49
Thank you, Goldy, and please keep bringing light to the issue! Somehow, I naively keep thinking that once the magnitude of the $1.4 billion in cuts becomes apparent, WA will find some emergency funding, but I know there's no real hope.
50
"Look... squirrel!"

Well, it shows propaganda works, but it is more than just a simple distraction away from questioning austerity because focusing on the notion that our tax dollars are squandered by evil government bureaucrats accomplishes 2 things: yes, it ignores the elephant in the room (services reflect how much we invest) but it also fuels the logic for drowning gov in the proverbial bathtub.
51
What we need is an initiative that requires a two-thirds vote of the Citizens to approve any tax exemptions or taxes spent on anything other than Education, and a 50 percent majority for anything for public education.
52
Our good friend Goldy is way off here. What is he on about? He, not us, posted about an article in the Sea- Times, that according to him, missed a point and that is, that the school district doesn’t have to go with the highest bidder, which was the Bush School. That would have been a valid point, but he omitted an important player in that discussion and that was pointed out, end of story. He disagreed with that, but I believe if you’re going to criticize a specific article you should not omit an important point. That’s all. I did not call him names and like I said, I’m usually in agreement with the guy 90% of the time. After all, he is a fellow Philly boy.
But, HE DID NOT write a post about the real crime which is the gutting and non investing of our public education system, and the lack of vision in our state legislature. Indeed that is the true crime that is happening in this state,I agree, but that’s not what he posted about. So what’s he angry about? He wrote the post so he is as guilty as everybody for looking at the squirrel.
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@38: Because it makes you look stupid, maybe? But hey, if the shoe fits....
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@50: Your point deserves reiterating - the AME scam only fuels disillusionment with and flight from public education, which, of course, makes people less inclined to put money into it.

The thing is, the AME deal isn't propaganda, it's an actual scandal, even if it doesn't fit the left-wing's preferred narrative.
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@53: So, you think only stupid people make the occasional grammatical error? On a blog?

Whenever some arm-chair grammarian pipes up like you have, I generally assume they are OCD, tend to lose the forest for the trees, and have a need to feel intellectually superior to others that stems from insecurity about their own intelligence.

But, hey, I made a grammatical error, so what could I possibly know?

BTW, douchebag, you forgot the comma after "but", and you included one too many dots in your ellipses.
56
This sort of scandal is nothing new, and I expected we'd have something arise out of all these surplussed schools.. But I have to say, I thought it would be TT Minor being sold for a song for high-priced view condos, instead of MLK elementary.
57
So from this we can all then assume that the Stranger editorial board will endorse political candidates based on serious criteria such as how they will prioritize education funding, right? Instead of waxing on about how "dreamy" or "fuckable" McGinn or Fitzgibbon is? You'll actually talk like adults? You'll give someone like Bill Bryant a platform (even though he's -ohmygod- a Republican) since he's been championing infrastructure and education as the two platforms needed to build future competitiveness (that is, the ability to get a fucking job)?

No, you'll do what you always do.
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They all lie about funding when they run
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@54

"The thing is, the AME deal isn't propaganda, it's an actual scandal, even if it doesn't fit the left-wing's preferred narrative."

I'd say the propaganda aspect is the disproportionate importance given to AME relative to that given to our underfunding education. I actually don't know enough about AME to decide whether there was foul play.
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@seandr: My daughter goes to public school in Seattle and it kicks ass. Everyone in Seattle who has a fucking pole up their ass (like you, for example) and can afford it sends their kid to private school. Everyone other motivated parent just makes sure their kid isn't lost in the shuffle.

Having gone to a really terrible public school and a very nice private school, I find the Seattle Public School system great. It doesn't get to cherry pick high performing kids like a private school, so of course it's got troubles because it's fucking required to have troubles.
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20 percent tuition increases

WA Middle Class is ripped off to give away our tax dollars to Boeing and Microsoft instead of education!

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