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Definitely shocking. This occurred in 94' after the loss to the NY Rangers as well. I can't figure it out. Vancouver is a world-class city which I love very much. I just don't understand this kind of destructive anger. He was right the police were restrained. Most unfortunate.
Reid's film here makes it seem like the police started out in riot gear--where Matt's footage shows the police helmetless in yellow high-visibility vests...and really only involving themselves once the first car fire started.
Regardless, what KILLS me is the fact that the goal of most of the people seemed to be to get themselves a picture posing in front of whatever was happening.
This generation documents everything and understands little.
The thing is, this could happen anywhere.
I don't understand what's happening to people anymore.
And that's really frightening.
Including author William Gibson, who tweeted "Almost expected to see volunteers duelling with litter-pincers over one of the few remaining squashed cigarette filters."
And this was over which group of grown men were able to put a little piece of plastic into a net the most times??? LOL!
Fuckin' cavemen. Just like the British football hooligans. What sad lives these people have!
Oh please. Your sportsheads are a bunch of dumbass white-boy thugs, too. You're Boston, for fuck's sake. Don't even try and play like you're enlightened.
Being a drinker, or male, by itself isn't a problem. It's when you combine the two (and the males are young) and they're in a mob. Being angry over a loss doesn't help matters either but it's not an essential component since there have been riots over teams winning a championship game too.
When I was a teenager through my early 20s, I was really into my local pro sports teams and would get incredibly pissed off whenever they would blow an important game (which the football team, in particular, seemed to do in playoffs.) But as I got older, having this kind of an emotional response to a bunch of jocks losing a game (or, for that matter, winning a game) began to feel silly to me and now I couldn't give a shit about pro sports teams and their overpaid jocks.
This whole notion of "civic pride" over a pro sports team winning a championship also seems silly to me. I mean, let's say the Mariners were to win the World Series or the Seahawks the Super Bowl. That doesn't make Seattle a better city in which to live, or a better city than the city of the team that lost. All it means is that Seattle's overpaid jocks beat some other city's overpaid jocks. Big deal.
I can understand. I wasn't impressed with the actions of my fellow Canadians either. But I wanted to share this:
Consider it an alternate viewpoint. :)
but it's still a fucking embarassment to the human race.
The police chief is saying that it wasn't hockey fans--it was anarchists! While I'm sure there were some of those in the crowd, I'm sure there were plenty of hockey fans. It is not as if hockey fans in Canada are pure as the driven snow, but that is the perception they wan't to put out there. There was much less violence at the G20 in Toronto but the police cracked down A LOT harder.
Have lived in Vancouver and love it. But there a bunch of brainless testosterone twits who come in (mostly) from the burbs when there are big events and act like this. This was an extreme example.
"Of course the Hill isn't a collapsing hellhole,"
Puuuhlease, I was at the Queen Anne one, darling. Parking is hell on Friday nights on the hill.
"Of course the Hill isn't a collapsing hellhole,"
Define 'prosperous' for a family of 4 please...how much do we have to make/own to be in that category?
"Ask around among the homeless living on the buses"
I believe I saw those bums out there in 2006 during the boom.....and 1998 during the dot.com boom.....and 1987 before Black Tuesday. There's no cure for bad choices.
" For everyone else, it's potentially going to get a lot less nice."
So they should get some of my stuff, after SEIU workers get a cut?
" not sure if you're trolling."
Well, I, like 66% of Washingtonians, and 55% of King County voted against the income tax and for 1053 so I could keep more of 'my stuff' and use it to make sure my kids are contributing members of society not leeches.
I believe some of the people who started the riots came downtown with the intention of perpetrating violence and vandalism, regardless of how the game went. These people certainly do not represent the views of the majority of people who live in Vancouver. As a Vancouverite (who wasn't downtown that evening) I am disappointed and apalled by the actions of the rioters. I am incredibly proud of the way the police, firefighters and ambulance service handled the situation.
Our government (like yours, USA), is telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies, minds, money, even when it doesn't harm others. I want to riot every time I have to hide my stash of cannabis, or put on a top (I'm a lady) at the beach on a hot summer day.
Not that I'm into smashing cars, or that it helps. But I feel it. Sad that it comes to this.
Canadians are the most complacent people on earth. In Vancouver particularly, we're stuffed full of propaganda about how this is the greatest city in the greatest country in the entire fucking world, and how fucking special we are for having the Olympics and hockey and stuff. We casually make fun of Americans for being mindlessly patriotic and sports-obsessed, oblivious to the fact that we're just as bad or worse.
Meanwhile, Vancouver is in the middle of one of the world's worst real-estate bubbles, and there's a severe shortage of affordable housing, which our corrupt government refuses to address (gotta pay for the Olympics, you know). If this were, say, Greece, we would literally be rioting in the streets over affordable housing. But getting angry over real political issues is not the Canadian way. It violates a certain deeply-ingrained conformism in our culture. Instead, we have riots over hockey.
I love hockey. I grew up in a place cold enough to have natural ice, and the sport is deeply nostalgic for me. Unfortunately, our national obsession with hockey comes part and parcel with a set of attitudes and values that I hate.
You're right. It's not just about hockey, not really. It's interesting to see the kinds of things that were damaged: police cars, banks, the HBC - symbols of power and wealth. People were posing and smiling for photos in front of burning cop cars. That doesn't mean nothing. (Do you mean "hokey" or "hockey"? Actually, it works either way....)
the troll has always seen Canada as an enlightened beacon of what the human race is capable of.
a bright light of guidance in a sea of dark depravity.
a reason to keep on keeping on.
there is nothing to hope for. anymore.
no reason to live.
fuck glib youtube pseudopchycobabble-
IT DOES NOT GET BETTER!
So, they were rioting over real state prices and lack of affordable housing? And who says the far left doesn't have a coherent message.
"It's interesting to see the kinds of things that were damaged: police cars, banks, the HBC - symbols of power and wealth"
So, another riot by stupid, confused young far leftists angry at their bourgeois parents? I guess that makes 'Blenz' the Starbucks of Canadia?
"Our government, is telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies, minds, money, even when it doesn't harm others."
Well, vote politicians into office who promise to reduce the size of the government and give you more freedom. Or, move to America. We embrace hard working freedom lovers who reject the nanny state.
I'm a displaced Vancouverite. We left largely because of the outrageous price of housing and lack of any kind of employment opportunities. There's so much propaganda about how Vancouver is such a great place to live, which really grates on you when you're eking out a living with no hope of things getting better. And then you drive through the downtown eastside and think "there but for the grace of the flying spaghetti monster go I."
It's a beautiful city hiding some very serious social problems. That riot was just a symptom of what's really going on.
Except for the nude part, I've been able to do that in America for over 30 yrs. and never once had trouble.
"when you're eking out a living with no hope of things getting better"
So sorry you're a loser. Try harder next time around, learn from hard working, successful people.
But I have to admit I laughed when a couple of them decided they needed to "plank" on top of the car.
" I got caught up in the moment" sez some kid, son of a surgeon; on the national water polo team (or used to be, anyway) . Photographed torching the cop car.
How elitist. How wrong. I understand why people think this and why they want to think it. But it's flat out wrong most of the time.
I have a friend who is a noted sociologist who studies riots. There are different types of riots that draw different groups. LA riot = largely underclass. Egypt = diverse classes.
Most sports riots in the "Western" world are populated by white, suburban, middle and upper-middle class white kids. They are, btw, the ones fueling both anarchist movements and right-wing movements.
By and large, most (truly) underclass young white men don't have the time or money to go rioting. They are too poor to afford to be there.
And no one is more "consumerist" than the middle and upper-middle classes in North America, Europe, and Australia....though I think the Aussies win that one by a mile. (Shopping seems to be some sort of national sport).
I bet if you did a demographic breakdown of the people involved, you'd be shocked.
Looking at the video, I don't see a lot of the truly poor, or even people who work like they are working poor. What I see is a lot of middle-class "typical" young men. Kids really.
Some info on American college kids and riots. While these are all "state" schools, none of them are exactly cheap. The majority of students there are solidly middle class.
Ohio State University – November 23, 2002
How it Started:
It was what is known as the greatest rivalry in college sports: The Ohio State vs Michigan football game. Fans spent the day waking up in the morning for 'Kegs and Eggs', and continued tailgating until game time. There was much media hype of the event, as the game meant a lot. There was a huge crowd in attendance, with many Ohio State fans sporting vulgar anti-Michigan T-shirts. Ohio State ended up defeating arch-rival Michigan 14-9, clinching a berth into the National Championship game, and giving Ohio State a perfect 13-0 record on the year. Fans rushed the field after game, a few getting broken legs in the process.
After the game...
Every house on campus was throwing parties that spilled over into the streets. It was just a matter of time before things got out of hand.
A car tried driving through mobs of people on the street and made the mistake of honking his horn. In a matter of seconds the windshield was smashed in with a rock and the passengers were pulled out of the car and beat. The people in the car ran away as the crowd rocked the car back and forth until the vehicle rolled over.
Chaos ensued from there....
One car after another was being flipped over all down the street. Cars were set ablaze, then furniture. Police then hit the streets with riot gear. Dozens of tear gas canisters were fired into the crowd, scattering thousands of rioters in each direction.
The crowd of over 5,000 managed to start 107 fires, damage 20 cars, and produce massive amounts of trash on the streets of Columbus. 70 arrests were made with charges ranging from underage drinking to public indecency to resisting arrest.
Many say the cause of the celebratory riot was the excessive drinking that many fans took part in. Because of the all-day drinking binge, there were many “falling down” drunks.
That night in Columbus was a war zone: people were flipping cars over and lighting them on fire, uprooting trees and ripping doors off of houses to fuel the fires, and tear gas was being dispersed
Iowa State University – April 17-18, 2004
How it Started:
It was the week of VEISHEA, an annual week long celebration held each spring on the campus of Iowa State University in Ames, Iowa. Students created VEISHEA over 80 years ago and has since evolved into the largest campus celebration in the nation.
On Saturday night, April 17, police received a complaint of a party that was spilling out into the street. Police responded and proceeded to break up the 400-person party in the campus district. The partygoers filled the streets, joining forces with another large group who was already in the streets for VEISHEA festivities. Altercations rose to riot intensity with hundreds crowding the streets and taunting police by mooning them and shouting phrases such as "Fuck the police" and "No dry Veishea." Police were armed with pepper spray and tear gas.
Police and about 2,000 rioters clashed until almost 5:30am. Lamp posts, street signs, parking meters and many storefront windows were damaged or destroyed. 16 officers and 22 civilians suffered injuries, some due to falling lamp posts. 37 arrests were made, including assault of an officer, criminal mischief, disorderly conduct and interference with official acts. The night ended with nearly $250,000 in damages to public and private property.
Many involved in the riots claimed they were victims of police brutality, saying they were sprayed with gas for no reason. 42 complaints were filed against police who pepper sprayed and tear gassed people trying to leave the area and against officers who acted overly aggressive in attempting to control crowds.
Some blamed the previous six years of an alcohol-free VEISHEA as the cause of the riots, and these acts of violence were merely built up aggression. 2005 marked the first time in 82 years that VEISHEA was not held.
University of Maryland – April 1-2, 2002
How it Started:
The University of Maryland defeated Indiana to claim title to the NCAA men's basketball championship. It was Maryland's first ever college basketball title and the victory sent fans into a frenzy. An estimated 5,000 hit the streets in celebration. Fueled by excessive alcohol consumption, the mob lit trash cans and couches on fire and started overturning objects in the street.
Following the celebratory riot, 17 people were arrested, 6 police cars were damaged, over 16 fires had been set, two dozen were injured, and a Maryland state trooper was hit in the face with a plank. A night of bonfires, looting, drunken brawls, flying beer bottles and hundreds of troopers in riot gear caused roughly $50,000 in damages. The rioting was so bad, university officials later established a zero tolerance anti-rioting rule, meaning a student could be expelled if caught in acts of vandalism or violence after games.
Maryland, who has a history of rioting, had a similar riot a year earlier in a Final Four loss to Duke, when a bonfire set by fans caused $500,000 in damage. Rowdy fans smashed out storefronts, attacked police, and set fire to a mobile home.
One of the two principle reasons DH and I left the SF bay area was the whole hype about how great, tolerant, and liveable it was...was no where close to reality for the majority of people who lived there. I do a lot of work with the truly poor. SF is great if you are professional and white. Not so great if you are poor and black.
I can't tell you how many people I heard who would bang on about gay rights and sexual oppression one day and then bitch about "the type of people" who live in the "East Bay" the next and how "those people" were ruining the city and draining all the resources.
If you aren't committed to sexual, gender, ethnic/cultural/racial, AND class equality, you aren't truly committed to social justice....just committed to your pet cause.
And remember folks, there is no war on cars.
What happened might have been incited by a few people who went downtown with the express purpose of causing trouble, but the reason it turned into a riot comes down to a combination of factors, in particular not following the recommendations drawn up following a thorough study of the 1994 riots:
* Encouraging 100,000-150,000 people to congregate in a small area to watch a highly-charged game and not deploying anywhere near enough police to effectively control them (only about 400-700 by most estimates)
* Not responding quickly enough when it became clear that trouble was brewing--everybody who was down there with kids left in the 2nd period, but it was after 11pm before the police managed to bolster their numbers and regain some control
* Closing down exit routes and transit so those who wanted to leave when the problems started weren't able to
* Allowing people to park cars in the so-called "live zones" and not removing newspaper boxes and dumpsters
Like some of the comments above have alluded to, I think there are a large number of upper-middle-class kids who are pandered to by their parents, and really have no sense of responsibility. They were drunk, or at least tipsy, had impaired judgement, and didn't think they'd be held accountable. Well, they are being held accountable.
In fact, eight or ten of the individuals who slept in our shelter that night went downtown at 7 AM, armed with garbage bags and gloves, and helped clean up the mess that people who spit at them every day created. It was both wonderful and heartbreaking.
Monkeys don't burn they're own territories down.
It's a bit disgraceful that Vancouver was smug enough to think they didn't have to take proper precautions.
Schweethart: just one more reason to knock down the bridge and not build the tunnel.
Anyway, I live close to Hastings and Main. I think it's pretty fricking obvious that, like @74 says, the troublemakers in this instance were not Vancouver's homeless/very poor. (Those people mostly just want to be left alone in my experience.) I do worry about my safety on, say, Granville street after a hockey game or when the bars let out. The latest riot is a case in point.
1) an amalgamated police force for the whole lower mainland (instead of the 10+ now)
2) Bulldozing the downtown stadiums and erecting them in the suburbs.
3) $20 congestion fee to drive downtown
What really appalls me is reading about studies that show a significant uptick in domestic violence after an unexpected loss by one's sports team. If the loss was expected or the team won, there's no blip. But an unexpected loss -> sharp spike. (@26 doesn't surprise me either.) Good thing I've never been attracted to die-hard sports fan types :-P