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In the 80s/90s/00s, we just wrote our UI to use they/their/those for all genders. Choosing Him/Her/Its/Whatevers was just more code, why bother to begin with.
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And this is why I generally like Google better than Facebook or other companies. If people find and issue and complain, they try their best to fix it.
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The only people that would bother to question singular "they" anymore are people who willfully refuse to accept change in language. Pedants can have their faux-intellectual pissing contests elsewhere; I prefer to speak actual English rather than some invented idea what it's SUPPOSED to be.

Anyway, bravo Google. It's a win for privacy rights in social media, and it's a win for gender identity rights.
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Facebook allows this. I haven't designated a gender, and Facebook refers to me by singular-they.
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@2: Facebook already does this.
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@ 5, 2 didn't say that they like google because google allows for gender-neutral language or hiding of gender. 2 said they like google > facebook because google responds to customer complaints. Reading FTW.
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@5, arbeck's point to me wasn't that this is something that facebook doesn't do and google does specifically. Moreso that Google seems to be actively listening to its users and implementing logical smart choices to the interface. Unlike facebooks policy of "go ahead and suggest/complain but we are just going to roll out new features willynilly that no one wants anyway"
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And there's this: http://i.imgur.com/Y2tyA.jpg
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"You have been added to Greg's circles."

Grammar problem fixed.
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Actually, gramatical correctness is more important than "gender privacy" (a new "right" pulled out of thin air). But fortunately, English already has a gramatically correct gender-neutral pronoun: he/him.
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I think Google finally got it right with Google+, its going to provide serious competition to Facebook. Its already eliminated the humiliation of parents replying to photos posted on your wall by friends.
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I've never met a girl named Greg.
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@3 said everything I came here to say.

@10, uhhhh, no. See @3 regarding language accomodating change. I know it's a craaaazy concept, but the world does not stop evolving because you decide certain ideas are perfect.
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@9 is absolutely right. If gender is male, say "[name] added you to his circles." If gender is female, say "[name] added you to her circles." If gender is other or private, say "[name] added you to [name]'s circles." Not that difficult.
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Calling he/him gender neutral has got to be a troll.
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@15: See Wikipedia on the Universal He.
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@16: The very Wikipedia article you link states, "The use of "he" to refer to a person of unknown gender was prescribed by manuals of style and school textbooks from the early 18th century until around the 1960s..." and "The use of "he", "him" or "his" to be used as a gender-neutral pronoun, however, is today seen by some as prejudicial."
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@16

Saying he/him is gender neutral... and then backing it up with a Wikifreakingpedia article that says it hasn't been a universal pronoun since the 1960s is definitely troll, Mr. Trolly McTrollerman, son of Trolalfson Trollerstein.

I award you your Trollbiscuit and bid you run along now.
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@17: Seen by some as such would imply that it is not seen as such by others, no? I am one of those others. Just because "some" want to change the langauge doesn't mean it is necessary to do so.
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@12 - yup. Unless your name is Pat this isn't going to make a damned bit of difference
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@10

You don't know what exactly grammar is, do you?

Not-very-smart, narrow-minded, insecure people fixate on grammar nuances. The best part is when they argue over it because it confirms just how dumb they really are (a), and (b), clearly demonstrates their complete misunderstanding about the nature of language.
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@19 it's not really about what anybody *wants.* language evolves according to how it gets used, to become more efficient/appropriate/useful to the culture.
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The universal "he" is bullshit. I have just completed a class in technical writing that dealt with the "gender problem" and a generic he, while some old people still use it, is sexist at best and REALLY sexist as worse. You don't need it. There are many ways to fix the gender pronoun:

Eliminate the Pronoun Problem:
Sample Sentence (incorrect):
“He thinks his Ivytalk page is useful”

Rephrase the sentence to eliminate the pronoun:
“Customers think Ivytalk pages are useful “

Use the singular “They” or plural “Their”:
“They think their Ivytalk page is useful”

Reference:
Miller, Casey. & Kate Swift. "The Pronoun Problem." The Handbook of Nonsexist Writing. New York: Harper, 1988. 43-58
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@19: Yes, and that's fine for you, however, for the last 40-50 years, manuals of style and textbooks have been working on the side of those who do see it as prejudicial. Being referred to as a "he" as in "Each student must pick up his own trash" may seem like a small, not oppressive thing (especially if you are in fact a he) but it can add up in a person's consciousness. Just because you don't sympathize, doesn't mean it isn't so.

It can be more difficult to be grammatically correct, genuinely gender-neutral and non-clunky, but it is possible. Why shouldn't we try?
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@David Wright: I would highly suggest reading up on the problem of sexist writing. Conventions HAVE changed because of it. While the generic "he" was acceptable in the 1970s, it is not acceptable now. In addition there are other examples of sexist types of writing that the above reference I gave can help you with.
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See Language Log, a site stocked with actual linguists, including coauthors of the Cambridge Grammar of the English Language (a book which eats style manuals for after-dinner mints) for ample discussions of both singular and epicene "they".

In short, it was grammatical in the past, it continues to be grammatical today, and exists for good reasons even apart from gender neutrality.

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?ca…
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Jesus Christ, singular "they" is attested at least as far back as Chaucer.

http://motivatedgrammar.wordpress.com/20…
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LinkedIn has always been gender neutral. From the start I've noticed when someone in your network connects with someone you'll see something like this on your homepage feed - "Name" has added "Name" to their network.
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I will NOT play that video, no sir. It's obvious that she"s about to reach out and grab my face, and I no longer allow youtube videos to grab me like that. If she wants to grab me, she can drive herself down to San Diego, and grab me in person!
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OM @ 23,25: I appreciate your respectful and helpful replies. I also appreicate that your guide gives alternative constructions other than the shudder-inducing misuse of "their".

Rest assured that, in my paid professional writing for corporate America, I am resolutely politically correct and do use such alternative constructions (although I would even resort to "his or her" before "their"). But in my informal, social writing, I make up for it by striving to be as polically incorrect as possible.
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To all those who think that "their" is not just common in modern speech, but also correct in modern grammar:

Would you also say "They is standing at the door"? And believe it is gramatically proper? Perhaps you would, but most would not, even among those who use the "their" construction.

Linguistics may be about use, but grammar is about rigid, abstract structures. If "they" is really the third person pronoun of indeterminate gender, my example sentence is correct. That most do not recognize it as such indicates that the "their" construction is merely a colloquialism, not a new rule of grammar.
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This is NOT about grammar, people. It's about usage.

Grammar doesn't give a shit if you refer to a man as "her" as long as you put it in the right spot in the sentence (e.g., as the object rather than as the subject). Usage is about the nuance of word choice. This is a usage issue.
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@31, if you are interested in rigid, abstract structures, go buy a copy of the Cambridge Grammar of the English Language. Kindly shut up until you have learned it.
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Great! That's still not going to convince me to sign up for yet another social networking scam.
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@34.

yup. zzzzzzzz.
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Saccade @26,33: I followed your link to language log, and they don't quite say what you claim they say.

Oh, they do document uses and voice support for "their" constructions, consistent with the usual linquist badge-of-honor preference for description of what is used over what they derisively call "prescriptivist" rules about what is correct.

But what we have here is precisely a question about what is correct, and on that count they are much more willing to grant the questionability of "their" constructions that you are. Here are some quotes from their posts:

sometimes there are very bad decisions to use singular they: sometimes Strunk and White are right


I generally find definite-antecedent examples comprehensible but grammatically bizarre


the notion that this usage is "wrong" holds on so hard that even linguists have to submit to their publishers' copy editors' insistence on expunging it


(I love that the writer of that last is so toubled with the idea of wrong usage might be wrong that he has to put "wrong" in scare quotes.)

Singular they/their/themself might be inelegant or even ungrammatical in English, depending on your point of view...
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