Blogs Jul 15, 2011 at 10:28 pm


Dan, you are an embarrassment to everyone. FUCK YOU.
Fuck you Dan. You are a complete liberal fool. How about an apology to Michele Bachmann while your at it. How would you feel if some asshole like you wanted to fuck your wife "angrily"? You are such a tool. I would love to punch your face.
Dan, you're still my hero even though you're not perfect. You're human. A pretty damn good human. Keep up the good fight.
Why would anyone apologize for wishing Republicans would go to hell? If there is such a place, I've no doubt that's where the selfish hypocrites will end up.

p.s. Republicans are morons. Really, really stupid. Value voters, my ass! Their political leaders are conniving, greedy, amoral dolts and the people who vote for them are gullible mouth-breathers.
You know, I don't recall ever being verbally or physically attacked while being called a Republican.
I have been verbally and physically attacked while being called gay.

I'm really sorry for the intense pressure those that identify as Republicans or friends of Republicans or who LOOK like they might be Republicans live under. Hopefully this latest episode gets Republicans leaders taking a courageous stand and asking for all to be accepted and loved. Because it'd be weird if people spewing hateful and exclusionary rhetoric ever got the same back. And it'd make perfect sense to be indignant about that.
I like to argue on the internet.
Actually, I kinda think you need to apologize to Bill Maher for stepping all over his laughs after his "government funding of witchcraft" quip. It was a good joke but you leapt in immediately with the farm subsidies stuff. I get it. I do that, too. I get too overly enthusiastic and have trouble holding back.
@205 Republicans making similar statements is why we wish them all dead. Hate begets hate.
How depressing. It sucks that you made a stupid comment that will feed the Republican persecution delusion- really, really sucks. But, at least that was a proper apology. Others in the public eye should take notes on that.
@Kim in Portland,

Difficult as it is to admit error, your post makes me realize I have to do so. I can and do disagree with many of your political beliefs. I can and do disagree with some of your theological interpretations. But I have no reason to doubt that you come to those beliefs with a good heart.

When I see and hear Mr. Savage and the people like him who want to destroy everything good about our culture, I get angry. But you rightly point out that I haven't the moral right to express that anger in the way I did. There's a moral right and even duty to work against the goal Mr. Savage has of destroying marriage and family and sexual morality. In my opinion these are among the chief binding elements of any viable culture. But that right includes the duty to treat others as you would be treated.

As you point out, God loves all human beings equally. Mr. Savage is a flawed man, as I am, but Gods love is unconditional and boundless for each and every person. With the massive beam in my own eye, I'm in no position to remove the mote from that of anyone else.

You could have, but gracefully chose not to, quote "Judge not, that you be not judged."

Thanks for the lesson. Have a pleasant remainder of your weekend.

man you're devious

we pull your strings, you squawk on cue.
you belong to us.
(its really not fair to use The Force on such simpleminded creatures as Democraps....)

and the kicker is that you will thank us when the time comes
Actually Dan, you should apologize for that shirt you wore! Blue gingham on TV? What the hell were you thinking?

what gives?
was it hot? hence short sleeves...
or cold, hence the Tshirt under?
or hot, so we unbutton the gigham?

dude, quit letting DJ pick out your outfits.....
Interesting display of, ahem, American progressive civility on the part of the posters here.

As a visitor from outside your divided nation, I can see clearly which side keeps it so divided.

Your side of the American political divide has become self-parodying. Made even more humourous by your utter inability to see it.


@Seattleblues, Did you enjoy the crow? Could we interest you in desert? The pâtissière is in tonight, the critics have been raven about her magpie.
from Tommy Christopher:

"Real Time host Bill Maher thought he had a good soundbite when he compared Congressional Republicans to late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, but was quickly one-upped by “It gets better” LGBT activist Dan Savage, who said “Unfortunately not exactly like him. I wish they were all f**kin’ dead.”

It is Savage’s correct life-or-death view of LGBT issues that motivated the campaign, but also that motivates him to do things which undermine that campaign, and its message. Whether it’s wishing all of the Republicans in Congress were dead, or wiping flu boogers on phones as an undercover volunteer at a Republican campaign headquarters, when that view transforms from anger to hatred that Savage undercuts his ability to be an effective messenger, at least to those not already in the choir."

"Update: Savage apologized later Friday night on his blog. Here’s an excerpt:


"Blaming it on the bottle is a pretty weak move, but at least he didn’t do that “sorry if you were offended” thing."
I'm sorry but SB just needs to go away. Even while claiming to apologize "it" insists that "it" has a moral imperative to fight against the morality of Dan Savage. Dan has more morality & decency in his little finger than that "it" SB could muster in an entire lifetime. So go fishing with your son and enjoy it. If the kid is smart he will ignore his "it" of a dad and move on with the understanding that his father is a perfect example of what not to be.
Danny you sly dog-

you didn't tell us you 'fessed up to wanting to fuck Santorum
(like everyone didn't already know it)


DAN SAVAGE, SEX ADVICE COLUMNIST: They're grifters and scumbags, the Bachmanns.


BILL MAHER, HOST: Grifters and scumbags.


MAHER: Not just one or the other.

SAVAGE: They're not charming grifters like in the movie.

MAHER: No, no.

MARC MORON, COMEDIAN: I don't want to be crass but I just hope that Marcus Bachmann takes all that, you know, rage that comes from repression and denial and brings it into the bedroom with her. I hope he f--ks her angrily because, because that's how I would. And I've thought about it. I just…

[Laughter and applause]

MORON: …It's a political statement I'm trying to make.

SAVAGE: Just so we get, just so you don’t get charges of sexism, because only Michele Bachmann was involved, I sometimes think about fucking the shit out of Rick Santorum.

[Laughter and applause]

SAVAGE: Because I think…

MORON: I’m with you.

SAVAGE: …he needs it. So, it’s not, it's not just women we’re talking about fucking. Like, let's bone that Santorum boy.

MORON: Alright. Let’s video it.

SAVAGE: I’m up for whipping up some santorum in Santorum


just how many glasses of wine did you have, again?

SB @ 216, are you going to start using the proper pronouns when talking about Dan, or will "Mr. Savage" be de rigueur from this point forward?
Golden rule people: I want Republicans to die (I DO NOT want to kill them - BIG difference there) because they want so many other, more vulnerable groups to die. I don't think Dan should be apologizing for what I view to be a completely legitimate sentiment, for very good reasons. If I apply the demonstrated ethical framework of most Republican politicians to the politicians themselves, which, by extension, all Republican voters are implicitly supporting by voting for candidates who consistently attempt to enshrine such a perspective on ethics/morality in law, and which, as far as I can tell, goes something like, "If your actions aren't benefiting me directly and/or conforming exactly to my view of proper behavior, then fuck you - you deserve no support of public infrastructure or legal protection or citizenship and can drop dead for all I care," then, um, they should all fuck off and die; if they don't think that's a very good ethical standard, perhaps they should work on changing it, as it's theirs, not mine. Hell, if they're demonstrating how they want to be treated through their actions toward others, then I'm doing a favor by wishing them death, no?

By the way, I'd be just as happy if all Republicans suddenly started voting for sane/non-sociopathic politicians as if they died; I just think the dying soon one is a lot more likely, as dying is inevitable on a long enough time frame anyway.
To be very clear-

I didn't and wouldn't apologize for opposing the frankly evil influence of people like Dan Savage on our society. Consider whether a conversation like that detailed @226 could have occured 3 decades or even 5 years ago on television, just as an example. Consider whether the disintegration of family and marriage sexual promiscuity under the guise of 'polyamoury' or 'being monogamish' would have been countananced a decade ago. It's due to the corrosive influence of people like Dan Savage that such things can happen here and now in our great nation.

I didn't aplogize for holding political or moral views you may disagree with.

I apologized for stooping to use the tools of evil against evil. I've written about my appalled disgust with the way politically opposed figures are treated both left and right, but principally by the left. I've written that the vicious campaign against Rick Santorum (thanks Mr. Savage for being so explicit about the real source of your vitriol on Mahars show, btw) or anyone the far left fringe disagrees with is uncivilized and illogical.

And then I engaged in the very same kind of vicious personal attack. For that attack, and only for that attack, I apologize.


Actually, to the extent possible, I'll not grant Mr. Savage the validity of recognition after this post. Evil is only the absence of good, not a thing in and of itself. Mr. Savage is only a reaction, not worth the recognition due the source of the reaction.
Also: made me think of this Bat Boy number, which seems strangely appropriate to this thread.
Dan, you guys need to report the IP address to the authorities, for the poster at 202. It's a pretty telling and hate filled threat, in my opinion.

@229, I see the crow did not sit well; the vomitorium is out back.
As a foreigner, I have to laugh at the repub/dem divide. You guys hate each other but to most of the world - we can't tell the difference. Its like that star trek episode with the half-white half-black guy fighting the half black-half white dude. (let that be your last battlefield)

I'm from canada, the most boring country in the world and our official opposition are ACTUAL socialists and usually there is a big group of separatists wanting the break up the country.

ps I thought it was a great line, so quick after that Arafat comment. perfect timing.

That's simply untrue.

The progressive view, as far as I can understand it, is that we all prosper together or none of us do. No man or woman has the right to enjoy huge wealth if another can't feed their children. You want to see a society of equals enjoying what you see as the common fruits of what our society gives us.

The conservative view is that the government referees the game, but who wins or loses is up to the players. We commonly provide for what can't or shouldn't be individually provided for, like police or national defense or transportation infrastructure, through the various governing agencies. We shouldn't provide for the specific welfare of specific citizens. And we do this so that in 2 or 4 or 10 generations a vibrant and strong electorate is still doing business as the United States of America.

I can disagree with your view, or you with mine. But at least try to be honest about what your opponents view is.
Why should you apologize, Dan? Any true liberal should feel that way. I'm tired of pretending I love America or Americans, I'm tired of pretending I support the troops, I'm tired of pretending 9/11 wasn't an incredible act of tremendous heroism. I'm tired of apologizing for being a liberal, and I'm not going to do it anymore.
"Why should you apologize, Dan? Any true liberal should feel that way. I'm tired of pretending I love America or Americans, I'm tired of pretending I support the troops, I'm tired of pretending 9/11 wasn't an incredible act of tremendous heroism. I'm tired of apologizing for being a liberal, and I'm not going to do it anymore." -- Davis Samuels.

This. Would everyone who agrees with Davis Samuels say so? It'd be interesting to hear how many do.
@219 Yeah, that'll never happen outside of your glue-huffing delusions.

Did you have fun in church today? Who did Jebus tell you to kill this time?
@236, I suspect Mr. Samuels is a poe.
Dan, you're right to have apologized, but I think it's hard not to wish the Republicans would all die these days. They seem, from my perspective anyway, to want a version of America that just doesn't resemble anywhere I'd want to live, and they're willing to endanger the country in order to get it. Their policy positions seem wrong, but also deeply immoral, insincere, and (in some cases) nakedly corrupt. Part of the problem is that Republicans are much better at expressing their hatred and contempt than liberals, but mostly the problem is that their default position is aggressive opposition to social progress and functional government, and that opposition prevents the nuanced and complicated work it takes to create those things, so that, if you don't see it their way, they just appear to be an infestation rather than a political group. Like I said, hard not to wish them dead, but don't. It's impolite.
@238, I'm not familiar with that term. Could you explain, please?
Hi Dan---
Yes, I was disappointed with that remark as I just got into It Gets Better, and hence you, in the last ~month. I've watched the video of you and Terry's visit at Google RE IGB through in entirety twice---when I think about IGB, watch you describe it, and see/feel you break with emotion for the bullied kids and for the lives saved thru IGB so far, that to me is the real heart-felt, amazing, life-transforming type of positive influence Dan Savage has and CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE moving forward. So apology accepted of course, but, in penance, consider watching yourself on that Google visit video again (on IGB site) because in the future, I'm holding you (sidenote to Terry: please also do this) to that "IGB standard"!!
heart heart heart Dan+Terry's IGB Project!!!
---Richard D, Redwood City, CA
@238, I found the term on urbandictionary. Let me guess, you insist on being called a "progressive" rather than a liberal, right? Most mealy-mouthed non-committal half-libs do.

Let me spell out to you exactly how I feel about this. No, I don't love America. We are the evil empire now, and probably always have been. Our so-called "democracy" is a joke based on media-driven popularity contests more than the welfare of the people.

Speaking of the American people, I have no particular love for them either. Most are obese, ignorant, flag-waving, gun-f**king sheep who wouldn't know what's in their best interest if you punched them in the face with it. Those who aren't, for the most part, agree with me even if they wouldn't say so in public.

As for the troops... I mean seriously? How could any moral-minded person support them in clear conscience? When you watch Star Wars do you hope the stormtroopers make it out okay? Explain the difference between American stormtroopers and Imperial stormtroopers and I'll grant you the point. (Granted, ours appear to have better aim.)

Now to the big one... 9/11. We've been aiding, abetting, and perpetrating the oppression and slaughter of Arabs for decades, under every type of administration including the current one. They don't have the means to strike back against purely military targets, we've made sure of that. They fight back in the only way they know how, and we call that an act of evil? Are you serious? The courage it must have taken those men, all of whom had families and lives of their own back home, to sacrifice themselves for such a cause... it's astonishing. And as for the dead, the vast majority of them were either Americans or Israelis. That sounds like far more precise targeting than the US is known for.

@236, thank you for your support. It's good to know there are still some of us out there who are willing to speak truth to the weak.
@240, That's what a poe would say.
@236 Looks like it.
Seattle Blues Wrote:

[i]The progressive view, as far as I can understand it, is that we all prosper together or none of us do. No man or woman has the right to enjoy huge wealth if another can't feed their children. You want to see a society of equals enjoying what you see as the common fruits of what our society gives us.

The conservative view is that the government referees the game, but who wins or loses is up to the players. We commonly provide for what can't or shouldn't be individually provided for, like police or national defense or transportation infrastructure, through the various governing agencies. We shouldn't provide for the specific welfare of specific citizens. And we do this so that in 2 or 4 or 10 generations a vibrant and strong electorate is still doing business as the United States of America.[/i]

Not a bad summary, though wrong in a couple of respects.

First, the Republican/Conservative/Libertarian axis has no problem with social safety nets; some would even countenance entitlement programs, though ones that are at root affordable. This notion, promulgated by many on here, that those of a conservative libertarian bent are heartless cutthroat bastards, is simply a caricature -- and you guys know it. (Of course, we all know "progressives" fart sunshine, right?)

Where a true libertarian, like me, and other conservatives, have a problem, is when the guy with the 7 figure net worth gets Medicare benefits. Or when Barack Obama's favorite company, GE, manages to completely skirt their tax obligation.

Second, the phrase "we all prosper together or none of us do" is so superficially binary and banal as to achieve new levels of unhelpfulness in the political debates. No, the way a society prospes if by -- tada!--creating wealth. And the way you create wealth is to build businesses. There really is no other way. Government can't do that for you.

Third, and finally, I would add one thing to the definition of progressives offered up. And it;s this. Progressives are at root utopians. They honestly believe that if everybody thought like them, acted like them, we would no longer have the horribly unfair disparities among citizenry.

Well, progressives are dreamers. Whenever the progressive vision has had a shot at running the show, things have gone horribly wrong. We will always have the poor. Some will always fail. But in a free enterprise republic, where government is held in check, things will, believe it or not GET better.

And they have -- just think of all the advances in technology, medicine, in any area of human endeavor. In the most progressive arc of social development is when the so-called "progressive" approach is minimized.
Scratch that.
Conservatives are the ones shooting doctors dead, or stringing up the gays to fence posts, or hanging negroes who don't know their place from trees.

Also not all liberals are broke/poor and some of us know how to shoot. Those who think otherwise are deluding themselves... but they do that daily about many other things, why should they let facts get in their way?

you are precious....

How many homosexuals get strung up by Conservatives, again?
Could you cite one?
On the other hand, how many homosexuals will die this year from AIDS some good Liberal gave them? 20,000.
How many were infected by someone who knew they were infected but refused to disclose and take precautions? Half...
We'll stack your 10-20,000 homosexuals murdered by Liberals against your imaginary victim of Conservatives any day.....

99% of the blacks lynched in this country were killed by card carrying Democraps.

How many abortionists are killed each year? maybe one?

Compared to 900,000 babies slaughtered each year?

You can't see the Truth for all the innocent blood on your hands.

OMG Danny the police have traced the IP address--

Its Coming From Your Own House!!


@245 You're such a cliche it hurts. You think liberals are utopian failures, and you propose minimizing the government's role in business and society even though you know, in your juvenile libertarian heart, that without government intervention a) the US economy would have collapsed three years ago, b) women and minorities would not possess basic human rights in this country, c) all business would be controlled by organized crime, because that's what happens when government institutions are weak. Libertarians preach freedom but don't understand what the tyranny of the majority really means. They don't get that the power to use violence - economic, physical, or other - will exist regardless of whether that power is accountable to a democratic system of government or to a group of stockholders. They don't understand the concept of a "race to the bottom", in which, for example, the company who cares the least about the environment makes the greatest profit and therefore wins. That's why, you dork, there are regulations. That's why there's a government. The government does for the people what they can't do for themselves. That's what being a liberal is.

A libertarian is a person who doesn't understand what government is for and mistakes their ignorance for enlightenment.

A conservative is a person who DOES understand what government is for, works out that they might have to sacrifice a little in order for it to do its job properly, and decides they'd rather just go after their own self interest. In other words, a conservative is by definition a selfish douche.

Now, someone earlier said some nonsense about believing the government's role was to serve as a referee, and I admit, they might actually believe that, but that isn't what actual conservative lawmakers say or do. Their platform consists of social authoritarianism (no gay rights, no abortion, no mosques, everyone should be a straight christian male if possible) and economic class warfare (tax cuts and subsidies for corporations, no support for programs designed to help people overcome economic distress, virtually no willingness to engage in large-scale social/economic investment). Conservatives as they are take an active role in trying to a create a country by and for a tiny group of wealthy people. And they do this through deliberate misinformation campaigns (that's what Fox News and Right Wing Radio are) because no reasonably informed person making less than $250k a year would ever vote for them.

To the guy who said that being a liberal meant hating America...screw you, buddy. Seriously. You're either a conservative troll or a moron. Liberals love America. America is a liberal country founded by liberals and protected by liberals against reactionaries, greed-mongers, and hucksters for its entire history. Everything good America is famous for was achieved by liberals.

Conservatives, you are the Darth Vader of history. Libertarians, you are the Jar Jar Binks. Screw off, both of you.
Wishing death on someone is futile since such an event will take place, guaranteed, so why not do the opposite & wish your enemies eternal life? Envision every thing, every place and every one once familiar and known to that person withering away and out of their perma-life, in montage form.
255 the 1880s - 1930s, Democrats were the conservative party and Republicans were the liberals. Fetuses aren't the same as babies. Giving a person AIDS by mistake is not the same as murdering them deliberately. Jewish people do not ACTUALLY have horns. Black people aren't dirty. Vietnam did not invade America. Saddam Hussein wasn't a member of Al Queida. This is all pretty much common knowledge, but conservatives either don't know it because they're stupid (that's most of you) or don't care because they're evil (that's the leadership). It is hard to object to Dan wishing you people dead.

By all means Danny, contact the authorities.

While you're at it you can turn yourself in....
And that Dan didn't apologize just because he was under pressure is admirable. I'll consider the remark as a counterweight to Maher's terrible decision of having Ann Coulter on the panel last week
@242, I am a proud Socialist, Feminist, and believer in non-aggression, do you really think I call myself a "progressive". Progressive is a dodge, not a political identity or ideology. You misjudge me. My beliefs regarding our country's position in the world and my estimation of its people, though far from identical, is far more aligned with yours than with anything coming out of the mouths of "progressive" leaders today. That said, wishing death on our political enemies, as detestable as they are, is anathema.
Davis Samuels, my son in in Afghanistan right now and even though people can disagree on the policy wisdom of being in Afghanistan, and I don't wish death on you or anyone, I will say.

Go fuck yourself.
Davis Samuels, my son in in Afghanistan right now and even though people can disagree on the policy wisdom of being in Afghanistan, and I don't wish death on you or anyone (except maybe the Taliban creeps who string up any homosexual in about 2 seconds), I will say this:

Go fuck yourself.
Dan..I read the transcript of your appearance on Maher's 'show'...and even when I put your mother's name in place of Rep. Bachmann's, I didn't find it funny. You are no comedian, you are just a pissed off gay guy that thinks the Libs are going to make you happy. while the Reps give you fodder. Guess what? They're not. Your vomit is still vomit, gay or straight
Uh, he is apologizing because he likes being asked to be on TV. It's preemptive damage control. It's not exactly noble.
Jumping fucking Jesus, what a flame war. Righties are such fucking pussies. Time for a little perspective:

Palin: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!"

Dick Morris: "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case."

Redstate blogger Erick Erickson: "At what point do the people ... march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp?"

Michael Savage discussed multiculturalism and predicted: "This is not going to go on in this country much longer. We're going to have a revolution in this country if this keeps up. These people are pushing the wrong people around." Savage further said that "the rage has reached a boil. If they keep pushing us around, and if we keep having these schmucks running for office catering to the multicultural people who are destroying the culture of this country ... guaranteed the people -- the white male in particular."

John Perry (NewsMax):
Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Robert Lowry, a Republican challenger to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schulz (D-FL), stopped by a local Republican event in October. The event was at a gun range, and Lowry shot at a human-shaped target that had Wasserman Schulz’s initials written next to it. He later said it was a “mistake.”

Gabrielle Giffords’ opponent, Republican Jesse Kelly, had a gun-themed fund-raiser in June in which supporters could come and shoot an M-16 rifle with Kelly. It was promoted thusly: Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”

Pamela Gorman, a conservative in a crowded Republican primary field in Arizona’s third district, blasted out press releases with titles like: “Armed and Fiscally Responsible.”

Richard Behney, a tea partier from Indiana running for former Sen. Evan Bayh’s seat:
“We can get new faces in. Whether it’s my face or not, I pray to God that I see new faces. And if we don’t see new faces, I’m cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I’m serious about that, and I bet you are, too.

Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R-NV) :
“People are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, my goodness, what can we do to turn this country around? I’ll tell you, the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out,”

Rep. Gregg Harper (R-MS) told Politico that he hunts Democrats. Asked about the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus, he said, “We hunt liberal, tree-hugging Democrats, although it does seem like a waste of good ammunition.”

More violent rhetoric by Glenn Beck over the years…

>>>”I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. … No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong?”….’Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,’ and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, ‘Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.’ And you know, well, I’m not sure.”

>>>”The only [Katrina victims] we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.”

>>>”Finally — well, he wasn’t the president. He was the chancellor, Hitler, decided that it was the only empathetic thing to do, is to put this child down and put him out of his suffering. It was the beginning of the T4, which led to genocide everywhere. It was the beginning of it. Empathy leads you to very bad decisions many times.”
—Glenn Beck, on President Obama’s statement that he would consider ”empathy” in choosing a Supreme Court nominee, Glenn Beck show, May 26, 2009

Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus--living fossils--so we we'll never forget what these people stood for."

Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Tim McVeigh is that he did not go to the New York Times building"

Michael Savage: "I say round liberals up and hang em' high. When I hear someone's in the civil rights business, I oil up my AR-25."

G . Gorden Liddy (broadcasting advice on how to kill law enforcement officers): "...head-shots, they are wearing body armor, head shots... or shoot for the groin."

And on, and on, and on...

Republican = terrorist.
Isn't there a war on terror going on?
What 255 said.

I read your column I appreciate your "It gets better" campaign, I don't care what your sexual orientation is but your comment, tossed off, is frightening. The tone of most R's responding here including the gay R's is understandable, but the violent rhetoric and hate mongering by so many who fancy themselves morally superior simply due to being liberals, is appalling.

The fervor you've whipped up, the violent yearnings of respondents here, that's on you Dan. You own that. You can shirk your responsibility by insisting you've made things right by apologizing, or you can get to work undoing what you have wrought.
267 anonymous comment by a guy named "sideline observer" arguing that because a prominent gay man is sometimes overcome by rage at people who are blithely trying to cast him out of society and strip him of basic rights, that hatred is on him. That's absurd, and so is your position. It's because of Dan that I'm posting it here, but trust me, the hatred Republicans engender among educated, empathetic, non-racist, non-crazy people who love their country is ALL on them.
Thank you, Rob @97. That was making me vaguely crazy.
Love Pol Pot's post...and a great appropriate name too.

Gist of Pol Pot's post: "The crazies on the right use violent rhetoric (assuming that his quotes are true and if so, some of them are easily understood as non-violent or highly ambiguous, as oppose to what Dan said) therefore we can too. Or you can't complain about it."

Because for Pol Pot, and his ilk, hypocrisy is a worse sin than having nor morals at all.
@ 269, if you hate hypocrisy, then you have morals. Duh...
The gist of Karl K's post: We on the Right are hypocrites, but we're still better than you, so stop picking on us.

Karl: you're not victims. You ARE hypocrites, and you ARE bullies, and people DO hate you, but you're not victims. Now shut up.
What the hell is wrong with this group?? You "tolerant" liberals wishing death on people you don't even know? Republicans (like myself) are a lot more tolerant than this hate-spewing group.
As for this Savage guy (I don't know who this is, I followed links and accidentally wandered over here), thanks for the apology, but you wished me dead. I'm a Republican who has no problem with homosexuals, yet you and a lot of your followers seem to want me to die. I hold no hate for any of you, I'm a mother of two children, and you are all hoping for my death. You're this hateful, yet you call Republicans the terrorists? What a violent, disgusting group.
@269 - Nice try, asshole. 9 of the 16 examples I noted are from elected Republicans, Republican candidates for office or former Republican Government officials. The others are major media figures - Erick Erickson is on CNN, Beck is a leading spokesperson for the right who was given a platform for years on FOX, Limbaugh is revered by the right, Coulter can get on TV by picking up the phone any day of the week. Of the 16, only Savage could be truly represented as a 'fringe' personality among the right wing intelligentsia. A similar list could not be assembled with Democratic officials making like statements. It would be difficult to create a list of left leaning media figures making like statements. You are an ignorant tool, but thanks for playing.
@272 - yeah, all those "Liberal Hunting Season" bumper stickers I've been staring at in traffic for like, ten to twelve years are just a figment of my imagination. And holding the nation hostage over a made up 'debt ceiling crisis' isn't an act of economic terrorism. Republicans don't have a hateful person among them. Whatever.
@272 - citation needed. Thanks for playing.
@Pol Pot - Thank you. The selective memory and manufactured outrage by this group would be funny if it weren't so dangerously sad.
Gotta say, Pol Pot, naming yourself after a genocidal communist is not helping your case.

That said, you're right of course. The Republican hate machine is as real as it gets. Virtually ever Right Wing radio host has some version of the speech where Democrats and liberals are called "Domestic Enemies of the Constitution", essentially suggesting that the president order the arrest of all of us. And the constant bullshit about Sharia law and Marxism taking over the country, which comes spewing forth from a fair number of their major presidential candidates, is blatant fearmongering.

Of course, the difference in all this is that the Republican leadership actually IS threatening the security of the US, most immediately by threatening to throw the economy into a tailspin because of some tantrum about the deficit, but also in a more general way by trying to reduce the size of government so much that basic state services are threatened and by reducing regulation so much that public health is threatened.

They're also totally un-self-aware, as you may have already noticed. What a bunch of crybaby jackasses.
@269 - except not really.
Here's the 30 seconds of context. Apologise all you want, Dan, the Republicans are greedy slobbering tools:…

Oh look, Seattleblues is back. He must be tired of his wife and decided to come here and abuse strangers instead.
Get apology. Now you should either resign or be fired. That is what would happen if a person on the right were to say the same things about Democrats. I wonder how fast a conservative columnist would last if they stated they wished all Gays dead? How long before you would call for that person to resign?

Then your apology is a bit weak too. It is no different than a bigot saying they have black friends. Your statement and your apology both are bigoted comments and you should resign because of your shown bigotry. I am sure there are thousands of people who are able to fill your position at the paper without losing any readers in the long run.
"The truth"...nobody but other Republicans buys that you're an oppressed minority, nobody but other Republicans buys that Republicans aren't bigots (but they wish they could use that word convincingly...oh how it burns for there to be rhetorical power that Republicans can't have), and nobody - not even Republicans, not even you - believes that Republicans don't say hateful shit all the time without getting fired.

Hate is an ugly, petty emotion, and it's better not to hate anyone, but man, Republicans do all they can to earn my hatred. But speaking of that, it's pretty fascinating how a Republican can on the one hand say that hatred of Homosexuals is justified because it's a choice (which it isn't) but hatred of Republicans is like racism even though political views are pretty clearly not genetic. Ugh. There is just nothing at all to like about you people.
Once again, a reminder not to feed the troll, no matter how many names he posts under.
Can someone who is registered PLEASE tell Seattleblues that, in addition to needing a hobby s/he needs a good grammar handbook? "its'" isn't a word.

It's = it + is
its = pronoun
its' = grammatical error

Surely, if you want to hold to antediluvian morality, you'd have similar grammatical standards?

We all say stupid things. Like Michelle Bachmann saying the nation's founding fathers fought tirelessly against slavery. The difference is that Dan immediately apologized for saying something that was very, very wrong. And Michelle, given the opportunity to clear up her mistake on national television, tried to justify it by saying John Quincy Adams was a founding father. I will always admire someone who takes responsibility and apologizes for his errors over someone who lies to cover up a mistake.
Kill all Republicans? Who would pay the taxes that keep the parasitic class alive?
Yeah, the ideas that Dan wouldn't be calling for heads to roll if someone said the same thing is bullshit.

@287 Republicans have been saying the same, and worse, for years. Why the fuck shouldn't we end up feeling the same. At least we're justified...
Tell you what, Danny-

we'll give you the same pass you gave Clint McCance.

Remember him?

The Illiterate Bigot who mused on his facebook about homosexuals commiting suicide?

The Illiterate Asshole for whom there was a Facebook page calling for his firing?

The page you linked to?
Remember?..."Give 'em Hell!"

Is it coming back?

Can you provide a link to the page calling for Dan Savage " Bigoted Asshole Extraordinaire" to be fired?

Clint resigned. Classy.

Man up, Danny.

You pulled a Clint. See it through to the conclusion.

All will be forgiven.
I wouldn't sweat it, I watched it last night. You came off as joking and funny. And you apologized on top of it, something those on the right never do.
"santorum in Santorum" made me turn to the "Not-quite-a Wife" and say "that was unusually frank even for Dan. Is he high?"

I naturally assume everyone on Bill's show is either drunk or high, though. You sure can tell when Bill has had one toke too many before camera time.
Asshole @ 289...…

Clint McCance, Arkansas School Board Member, Wants 'Fags' To Commit Suicide

The Huffington Post | Nick Wing First Posted: 10-27-10 11:38 AM | Updated: 10-28-10 05:29 PM

An Arkansas School Board member recently launched an inflammatory anti-gay tirade on Facebook that ran the gamut from basic bigoted slurs, to encouraging "fags" to commit suicide and announcing that he'd disown his own children if they were gay.

In response to a massively popular Facebook initiative to show support for gay youths in the wake of a recent wave of suicides, Clint McCance, a board member in the Midland school district in northern Arkansas, wrote this screed, provided to the Advocate:

"Seriously they want me to wear purple because five queers killed themselves. The only way im wearin it for them is if they all commit suicide. I cant believe the people of this world have gotten this stupid. We are honoring the fact that they sinned and killed thereselves because of their sin. REALLY PEOPLE."

This Clint McCants?

THESE "musings"????

THIS is equivalent to muttering by Savage under his breath.

What a prick you are...

@259/260: I'm sorry your son decided to become a tool of American oppression. I made a similar decision when I was young and foolish, so I truly do sympathize. However, your son made an adult decision of his own free will. As such, he is fully responsible for what he is participating in over there. We are not the good guys. Nor is your son. I'm sure it doesn't fill you with joy to hear that, but cold hard truth rarely does.

If your son is fortunate enough to make it home, I hope his experiences will inspire him to instill more wisdom in his children than was instilled in him by his parents, or in me by mine.

You are a good man to apologize for a hastily made comment, but given the right wing sludge that is being thrown your way on the comment section, I really don't think you have anything to worry about. No matter what you say, Rethugs are always going to hate you. Just like they hate other liberals/progressives/Democrats.

But you are better than them, so good on you for trying to be civil and offering an apology in good faith. Your fans support you and understand that we all have made mistakes that we regret.

All the best.
Dan - You totally rocked! I watch Bill Maher weekly, but I've never seen you LIVE....Your energy, confidence, intelligence, and good looks captivated me. No apology needed. It was NOT the were in your element and on a roll.....Keep it up!

I've heard your name or seen it referenced many times over the past several years, but I've never seen, nor heard you speak until Maher's Real Time. You're now my "new best friend." Cheers! RALANZ
Danny didn't apologize for saying he wanted to fuck the shit out of Rick Santorum-

so is there a threeway in the works?

Or does Terri not share Danny's taste for GOP ass?

the fanboys want to know!
It seems to me that it was meant as a joke but the delivery wasn't so great.
This is a preemptive strike because Dan, like Sarah Palin, has an easier time playing the victim. He said something horrible and knew he'd get shit about it, so he apologized so he doesn't have to face any backlash. He still hates Republicans (well, except the fake-y Republicans Republicans Hate type like Lincoln Chafee, or his dad) and still has no problem trying to associate Rick Santorum with shit and cum, but you know, he doesn't wish they were all dead. Blame it on the alcohol. I'm sure he'd be just as understanding of any conservative pundit or Republican who said something similar.

Yeah right.
I finally got around to watching the show. My favorite part was when Dan's body visibly came alive when the S-word was mentioned. Santorum. Such a softball, and Bill knew it.
not all republicans are bigots. some, such as myself, could care less what color you are, what your sexual preference is, what your religion is, if you choose to smoke pot etc. I consider myself a social liberal, but an economic conservative. I believe in individual liberty, both when it comes to choices and economic opportunity.

If that concept is too difficult for most of you vile posters to wrap your heads around, that's really not my problem. Your posts speak volumes about your supposed tolerance of opposing viewpoints. I love it when people make sweeping generalizations while decrying sweeping generalizations.

Congratulations on raising the level of civil discourse.

Dan, at times i find your columns funny, but lately, mostly tiresome. Drop the victimization bit will you? if you really want to highlight bigotry, try addressing pakistan, SAudi Arabia etc...i think they have a lock on true intolerant behavior, especially when it comes to people sporting your sexual orientation.


@300 Of course you don't hate gay people. That's why you vote for people who do, right? Whatever helps you sleep at night...
I must say, I find it hilarious to read the sentiments expressed in the vast majority of these posts and compare it the the overriding belief of the posters that the Republicans are the narrow minded hateful ones,

and as a side note to the posters who keep pointing out that Democrats vastly outnumber Republicans, I guess that is why they did so well in the last round of the elections
After reading these posts, I'm pretty certain conservatives have discovered the art of passive-aggressive writing but aren't aware of what they have. It's so beautifully blatant.

If they knew about it, they would disguise it better right?
Dan Savage is a blowheart and the sooner people stop reading his column the sooner he will go away; Dan your 15 minutes of fame are over.
@301. What I really hate are snarky, cynical quips that are without substance. You may think you are clever, but most find that attitude pathetic.
HAH! Sean Hannity brilliantly put you in your place tonight. You are the picture of liberal hypocrisy, Dan. If a conservative said what you did about a liberal woman, you and yours would want his head on a pike.

The stench of the double standard is overwhelming.

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